Re: [MBZ] Gwagens
Curt Raymond wrote: Hard to judge, our local stealership has one I've thought about testing it out. They are MIGHTY expensive for an offroad vehicle but I guess they all are now. I can't see taking a $40+K vehicle out into the woods. What's the point of taking it into the woods if you can't carry any firewood in it? Cargo capacity is reminiscent of the Syclone. It can tow a lot more than a Syclone, but I think you'd need a load distributing hitch to keep the tongue weight below the cargo capacity. I'm gonna stick with my sand dune toy / Baja racer wannabe assessment. The 6 liter version did look impressive blasting across the desert on Top Gear US, much more impressive than the Porsche on Top Gear UK. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hammond is a better commentator that the guy on Top Gear US. Of the 3 on Top Gear US I like that guy the least. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:00:24 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: 4d189bf8.3070...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Hard to judge, our local stealership has one I've thought about testing it out. They are MIGHTY expensive for an offroad vehicle but I guess they all are now. I can't see taking a $40+K vehicle out into the woods. What's the point of taking it into the woods if you can't carry any firewood in it? Cargo capacity is reminiscent of the Syclone. It can tow a lot more than a Syclone, but I think you'd need a load distributing hitch to keep the tongue weight below the cargo capacity. I'm gonna stick with my sand dune toy / Baja racer wannabe assessment. The 6 liter version did look impressive blasting across the desert on Top Gear US, much more impressive than the Porsche on Top Gear UK. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gwagens
Thats probably it. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker (Suzuki Grand Vitara) which was actually a really good vehicle. Better in the woods than either the Cherokee they had at the same time and arguably as good as the Liberty they have now. Yes I just said the Liberty is better offroad than the Cherokee. I hear you can build a Cherokee into a good offroader but stock the one they had stunk. I don't like the Liberty much and it feels squishy and unresponsive to me but Dad and I have been through some pretty awful holes with his so I've grudgingly learned to give it some respect. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:46:14 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: 4d150696.9040...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: H3 is even smaller. I think its the Colorado chassis. Trailblazer? Too bad GM doesn't sell Suzuki Samurais any more, or there could be an H4 Hummer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gwagens
Curt Raymond wrote: Thats probably it. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker (Suzuki Grand Vitara) which was actually a really good vehicle. Better in the woods than either the Cherokee they had at the same time and arguably as good as the Liberty they have now. What about the F150 Raptor? Is that an off road truck, or just a toy for playing in the sand dunes? Local dealer has a leftover 2010 with 5.4L, EPA on it is 10 city, 13 hwy IIRC. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gwagens
Hard to judge, our local stealership has one I've thought about testing it out. They are MIGHTY expensive for an offroad vehicle but I guess they all are now. I can't see taking a $40+K vehicle out into the woods. I think its mostly geared as a desert runner, big shocks and whatnot, but it should do well in the mud too. Good approach and departure angles, slightly larger tires without getting stupid about it and locking differentials. -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:27:16 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: 4d17c144.2060...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Thats probably it. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker (Suzuki Grand Vitara) which was actually a really good vehicle. Better in the woods than either the Cherokee they had at the same time and arguably as good as the Liberty they have now. What about the F150 Raptor? Is that an off road truck, or just a toy for playing in the sand dunes? Local dealer has a leftover 2010 with 5.4L, EPA on it is 10 city, 13 hwy IIRC. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and that's the root of the old adage: Real J**ps are built, not bought. while they weren't particularly impressive in stock trim you can easily prep an XJ (Cherokee) into pretty much whatever kind of vehicle you want, whether it's a desert runner, rock crawler, or snow-country slusher. even with only mild expedition-style prep, our XJ has done amazing things for almost a quarter-million miles now, much to the chagrin of some folks that have spent much more money on their H1s or Land Cruisers. on the other hand, the Libbys slog tolerably well in stock trim due to their IFS, but aren't easily built into much of anything in the same spirit of the Old J**ps. more to the subject line, were i able to find a worthy 4-door diesel Geländewagen, it would replace both my 300D and my XJ in a heartbeat,.. but i've been looking for years, and good-enough ones are rarer than hens teeth. one local chap i know has a white 4-door with a 617 turbo with matching auto trans dropped into it, and it's just about the perfect vehicle in my book. cheers! e On 26/Dec/10 14:20, Curt Raymond wrote: I hear you can build a Cherokee into a good offroader but stock the one they had stunk. I don't like the Liberty much and it feels squishy and unresponsive to me but Dad and I have been through some pretty awful holes with his so I've grudgingly learned to give it some respect. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Same 616 as in the sedan right? If I had the money for a 240GD I could get a 5spd from Europe... ;) -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 23:32:34 +1030 From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: 4d1499ea.1010...@ozemail.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Pretty sure the 240G only came with 4 speed manual but will have to check. Hendrik Curt Raymond wrote: I suspect an important part of the mix is that the G wagens were made in relatively small numbers and from an offroad perspective are quite desirable. Watch some of the videos on Youtube... Its like the Unimog, there just aren't many of them here and not many vehicles in a stock form can perform in the same way. I'd like a 240GD with a 5spd please! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You mean the H2 then which is really a Tahoe (or is it an Avalanche?) with different cladding a different engine and LOUSY fuel economy. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:39:19 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: aanlktimdvsvonvgptnc+onerw3a=rzgeh12ehuyuo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I meant the hummers you see with 40's, waxed, 15 inch lifts... and everything's plastic... Walt On Dec 23, 2010 9:29 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought that was the H3 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You mean the H2 then which is really a Tahoe (or is it an Avalanche?) with different cladding a different engine and LOUSY fuel economy. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:39:19 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: aanlktimdvsvonvgptnc+onerw3a=rzgeh12ehuyuo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I meant the hummers you see with 40's, waxed, 15 inch lifts... and everything's plastic... Walt On Dec 23, 2010 9:29 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I could go for a 6x6. -_R On 12/24/2010 5:45 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: The Australian Army is buying a bunch of G wagens, both in 4x4 and 6x6 versions. They where looking at HUMVEEs but found them to be too heavy, I think the Canadians and MArines use G wagens as well. http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009/large-4x4/mercedesbenz/australian-armys-new-gwagon-17246 http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mercedesgwagon/ Hendrik who has a proper MB 4x4 Max Dillon wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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H3 is even smaller. I think its the Colorado chassis. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 07:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: 422838.56475...@web113209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought that was the H3 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You mean the H2 then which is really a Tahoe (or is it an Avalanche?) with different cladding a different engine and LOUSY fuel economy. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gwagens
Curt Raymond wrote: H3 is even smaller. I think its the Colorado chassis. Trailblazer? Too bad GM doesn't sell Suzuki Samurais any more, or there could be an H4 Hummer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think it's built on a cut down old Chevette platform. ;-) Ed 300E On 24 December 2010 15:40, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: H3 is even smaller. I think its the Colorado chassis. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 07:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: 422838.56475...@web113209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought that was the H3 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You mean the H2 then which is really a Tahoe (or is it an Avalanche?) with different cladding a different engine and LOUSY fuel economy. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Would you believe, there was a time when a dealer here sold both Suzuki Samurais, AND Ferraris! Hey, those Ferrari owners needed some way to get around in the winter. Ed 300E On 24 December 2010 15:46, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: H3 is even smaller. I think its the Colorado chassis. Trailblazer? Too bad GM doesn't sell Suzuki Samurais any more, or there could be an H4 Hummer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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G wagens are superbly built. The build quality compares with nothing available new today. The other off road MBs are very flimsy and cheap in comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 16:16, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: G wagens are superbly built. The build quality compares with nothing available new today. The other off road MBs are very flimsy and cheap in comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
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The Hummer is for the guy who needs to compensate. The G is for the guy who needs something to haul em around. :) Walt On Dec 23, 2010 4:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 16:16, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: G wagens are superbly built. The build quality compares with nothing available new today. The other off road MBs are very flimsy and cheap in comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
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LOL Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 16:45, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: The Hummer is for the guy who needs to compensate. The G is for the guy who needs something to haul em around. :) Walt On Dec 23, 2010 4:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 16:16, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: G wagens are superbly built. The build quality compares with nothing available new today. The other off road MBs are very flimsy and cheap in comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
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Many armies around the world have some Gwagons. I posted a link a few months ago showing Gwagons in use by the USA. I think it was USMC, but I think the text said the army has some too. They are made in Austria, I believe by Steyr-Puch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class Scroll down, and it lists countries using the Gwagon, including the USMC (IFAV) If they would make a version for reconaissance/escort duty it could be called the I-FAVRE (for USM fans) Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think we (Canada) bought a 100 or so a few years back too. Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 18:08, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Many armies around the world have some Gwagons. I posted a link a few months ago showing Gwagons in use by the USA. I think it was USMC, but I think the text said the army has some too. They are made in Austria, I believe by Steyr-Puch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class Scroll down, and it lists countries using the Gwagon, including the USMC (IFAV) If they would make a version for reconaissance/escort duty it could be called the I-FAVRE (for USM fans) Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Australian Army is buying a bunch of G wagens, both in 4x4 and 6x6 versions. They where looking at HUMVEEs but found them to be too heavy, I think the Canadians and MArines use G wagens as well. http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009/large-4x4/mercedesbenz/australian-armys-new-gwagon-17246 http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mercedesgwagon/ Hendrik who has a proper MB 4x4 Max Dillon wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm referring to the G500. The older Gs were very solid but much less refined than current models. I prefer the older ones but have a 2005 G500 and trust me it's like nothing else I've ever driven. It's incredibly solid. It feels like you're navigating a massive block of steel. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2010, at 4:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 16:16, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: G wagens are superbly built. The build quality compares with nothing available new today. The other off road MBs are very flimsy and cheap in comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Aren't those standard ish to the German army and Austria and others around there? They are built in Austria, right? --R On 12/23/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: When I was someplace hot and sandy, I saw several of the G-wagons in armored trim. One day I was able to talk to the driver of one, and asked how she got so lucky to be driving such a beast, but she didn't have a clue. Like most US drivers, I think she was more impressed by the hood ornament than anything else. -Max From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar No a G is a G -- a Gelandewagen (sp?) which is the Land Rover-looking thing, I think they were military vehicles to begin with then got offered to the civilian market, mostly used by Mipsie to take little Dakota and Logan to soccer matches, and to go to mani/pedi appointments and lunch with the girls. --R On 12/23/2010 8:41 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: By G wagons do you mean SUVs such as the GL320tdi? Heard anything good or bad about these cars as far as repair expenses? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com Most of the 4WD vehicles I see off road, other than farm pickups in a field, are rolled over in a ditch, or in the ditch after a little snow or ice. If I can't get down the road in my MB or van with Blizzacks, it is time to be home or holed up. The exception is 3/4 or one tons with snow plows. Somehow, I don't think ANY of the G wagons around here have done anything like that - probably haven't been off-road. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new
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I suspect an important part of the mix is that the G wagens were made in relatively small numbers and from an offroad perspective are quite desirable. Watch some of the videos on Youtube... Its like the Unimog, there just aren't many of them here and not many vehicles in a stock form can perform in the same way. I'd like a 240GD with a 5spd please! -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:16:06 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: 457200.38587...@web113201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii G wagens are superbly built. The build quality compares with nothing available new today. The other off road MBs are very flimsy and cheap in comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: They used to be common for more than a few 'continental' forces, but I think that most have gone away from them now. Not sure where they're built. I find it amusing that the G-wagons are SOOO much more expensive than the other off road models in the MB line up, but probably are the least advanced and least urban-friendly. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:45:49 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: aanlktik2=rae1mzinhtzw1rk1hmjnkoozjwk5vukb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Hummer is for the guy who needs to compensate. The G is for the guy who needs something to haul em around. :) Walt On Dec 23, 2010 4:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pretty sure the 240G only came with 4 speed manual but will have to check. Hendrik Curt Raymond wrote: I suspect an important part of the mix is that the G wagens were made in relatively small numbers and from an offroad perspective are quite desirable. Watch some of the videos on Youtube... Its like the Unimog, there just aren't many of them here and not many vehicles in a stock form can perform in the same way. I'd like a 240GD with a 5spd please! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I meant the hummers you see with 40's, waxed, 15 inch lifts... and everything's plastic... Walt On Dec 23, 2010 9:29 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:45:49 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: aanlktik2=rae1mzinhtzw1rk1hmjnkoozjwk5vukb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Hummer is for the guy who needs to compensate. The G is for the guy who needs something to haul em around. :) Walt On Dec 23, 2010 4:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Talking about vehicles that are bought to compensate for other things, went in to the local dealer yesterday to buy an owners manual for my TE (gotta wrap it and put it under the tree), anyway they had a new Gullwing on display next to an old one. Sticker price was AU$500K (for the newy, the older one is probably more), I left with my $55 manual and nothing else, not even MB Christmas tree decorations. Hendrik who will look forward to reading the owners manual, tomorrow morning Curt Raymond wrote: Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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About 10 or so year ago, when Hummers were more popular, there were a number of H1s (the civilian version of the army Humvee) running around town. It was always entertaining watching these guys trying to park at the local mall. hee hee. I think the G wagons were well enough made, for what they were. And that was off road and military work. The ones they offered to the public in recent years, received similar treatment as the H1s. Stick an S Class interior in a truck. I am impressed with what AMG did the the G wagon though. The G wagon was always at home off road, as that's what it was built for. But to make that off road brick handle reasonably well on the road, and the autobahn, was no easy feat. And those side pipes are just too cool! :D I always though the G55 was the more socially acceptable alternative to the Lambo LM 002. The reality is, for those of us who live where it snows 7-8 months out of the year, it probably makes a lot more sense to keep something like an AMG G wagon in the garage, than a sports car. Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 21:29, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:45:49 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: aanlktik2=rae1mzinhtzw1rk1hmjnkoozjwk5vukb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Hummer is for the guy who needs to compensate. The G is for the guy who needs something to haul em around. :) Walt On Dec 23, 2010 4:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh, you mean Wilton's Hummer ? ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 23 December 2010 21:39, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I meant the hummers you see with 40's, waxed, 15 inch lifts... and everything's plastic... Walt On Dec 23, 2010 9:29 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:45:49 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gwagens Message-ID: aanlktik2=rae1mzinhtzw1rk1hmjnkoozjwk5vukb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Hummer is for the guy who needs to compensate. The G is for the guy who needs something to haul em around. :) Walt On Dec 23, 2010 4:40 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think they're pretty cool, but as far as build quality, I'd rate them pretty low for Mercedes. Not saying they aren't good, or reliable, but build quality, I don't know. Then again, they were military trucks, so really tight assemble was not top priority, just getting the troops to and back from where they were going. They must be classified as trucks (which they are) as they are not cars, but even with airbags and stuff, hard to see how they meet current crash tests. Wasn't the project started of owned by some other company, and then Mercedes took it over or something? I think the G55 is still pretty cool, in a crude he-man kind of way. It's the H1 Hummer for the guy who wears a tux once in awhile. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Isn't it amazing how well our older cars are still supported by Mercedes, and what we can get at the dealer for them. I was thinking of picking up a new case for the service books and manual for my W124. The original clear plastic one is cracking and yellowing a bit. Wonder if they have anything a bit nicer than the clear plastic version? It is Christmas afterall, and it has been a good car all year. :-) I checked out the new Gullwing too. They had it beside a couple of SLRs, and like your dealer, an old original Gullwing, on loan from a local customer. I like the new car, and compared to what it's competing against, I think it's pretty good value too. I think they could have been a bit more bold with the styling, especially the interior, but at half the price of an SLR, and performance near enough to it, it makes no difference, I'm sure they'll sell every one they can bolt together. Merry Christmas, and happy reading Hendrik. Ed 300E On 24 December 2010 08:15, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Talking about vehicles that are bought to compensate for other things, went in to the local dealer yesterday to buy an owners manual for my TE (gotta wrap it and put it under the tree), anyway they had a new Gullwing on display next to an old one. Sticker price was AU$500K (for the newy, the older one is probably more), I left with my $55 manual and nothing else, not even MB Christmas tree decorations. Hendrik who will look forward to reading the owners manual, tomorrow morning Curt Raymond wrote: Now hold on, if we're talking about the H1 in its original form with the GM 6.5l turbo diesel we're talking (probably) about a serious outdoorsman. They're slow, noisy, not particularly fuel efficient and very capable offroad. Same with MOST of the G wagens. More recent G500s and G55s are different, they're compensation wagens. As to Ed's point these are NOT mommy-mobile softroaders. With 3 diff lockers this is a machine designed to go offroad. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
