subject:"\[MBZ\] I'm back"

The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time but the 126 is 
comfy, like a 123.
We could argue the 500E is the best of them but pretty rare and probably 
mostly thrashed out by now.

The 400E would be a nice car but we never got that one.

Hendrik
who would love a 126 mit OM

On 21/04/14 12:20, WILTON wrote:
124 is good, but 126 is best.  Drives like flying on a cool clear day; 
rock steady; only slight pressure left or right on steering wheel to 
put it 'zackly where ya want it.


Wilton

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WILTON wrote:
123's are STILL very good looking cars. A well maintained, 
immaculate one is fantastic.  'Still miss my '80 240D.

'Best riding/driving, though, is 126.


Is the 124 the best handling car you've had?




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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com

If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what would 
be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get stranded a 
long way out in the bush?

Gerry
The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time but the 126 is 
comfy, like a 123.
We could argue the 500E is the best of them but pretty rare and 
probably mostly thrashed out by now.

The 400E would be a nice car but we never got that one.

Hendrik
who would love a 126 mit OM

On 21/04/14 12:20, WILTON wrote:
124 is good, but 126 is best.  Drives like flying on a cool clear 
day; rock steady; only slight pressure left or right on steering 
wheel to put it 'zackly where ya want it.


Wilton

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WILTON wrote:
123's are STILL very good looking cars. A well maintained, 
immaculate one is fantastic. 'Still miss my '80 240D.

'Best riding/driving, though, is 126.


Is the 124 the best handling car you've had?




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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black


Is this question limited to MB's?
I would have no hesitation to take my current MB around Oz, or if I 
wanted to really go bush, I might take the mog.


Hendrik
who has faith

On 21/04/14 18:59, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what 
would be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get 
stranded a long way out in the bush?

Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Jim Cathey


The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time...


And the worst!  Overly worn suspensions on earlier models
still drive all right.  On the 201/124, it feels like it
wants to kill you at every turn.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com

I was thinking any vehicle.  If you had taken the trip before the 
north-south highway was completed, would you have taken the Mercedes then?

Gerry

Is this question limited to MB's?
I would have no hesitation to take my current MB around Oz, or if I 
wanted to really go bush, I might take the mog.


Hendrik
who has faith

On 21/04/14 18:59, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what 
would be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get 
stranded a long way out in the bush?

Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread rogerhga

Come on guys, 
Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116. 
I've had my 1980 300SD for about 18 years now. Still solid as a rock and a pure 
joy to drive or just ride in when the wife drives (really her car). I've ridden 
in 126 300SDs, but found them nothing special. I don't like the design of the 
front seats as they tend to tear easier and the backs of the rear seats tear 
from the Sun's heat. Also, all the plastic lower panels and bumpers make them 
look less MB than the other older models. Yes, it's all personal preference, 
but except for that crazy Chrysler servo, the 116 SD is pretty much a bullet 
proof car. Mine still has the original exhaust system with around 425,000 
miles. It's always been run on dino oil and never had the head off. 
Just another opinion. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Frederick


Sadly I have not seen a W116 down this way in a decade or so.

They all rusted away.  They rusted away in Germany, too.  Ditto for  
the W115s -- tin worms love them.  W108s were stronger, but have all  
gone by now, I'm going to have to put mine in the recycle, there isn't  
enough left to fix.


A W116 was indeed a wonderful car, but I prefer the W126 -- much  
lighter, better fuel milage, and they last forever.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff

I always liked the W116 styling, but it seems like every one I ever saw had 
varying degrees of rust.  Hopefully yours has always been a Southern car?

Dan

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 On Apr 21, 2014, at 8:51 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Come on guys, 
 Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116. 
 I've had my 1980 300SD for about 18 years now. Still solid as a rock and a 
 pure joy to drive or just ride in when the wife drives (really her car). I've 
 ridden in 126 300SDs, but found them nothing special. I don't like the design 
 of the front seats as they tend to tear easier and the backs of the rear 
 seats tear from the Sun's heat. Also, all the plastic lower panels and 
 bumpers make them look less MB than the other older models. Yes, it's all 
 personal preference, but except for that crazy Chrysler servo, the 116 SD is 
 pretty much a bullet proof car. Mine still has the original exhaust system 
 with around 425,000 miles. It's always been run on dino oil and never had the 
 head off. 
 Just another opinion. 
 Best Wishes, 
 Roger 
 Roger Hale 
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
 Monroe, Ga. 
 770-267-0850 
 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
 www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 
 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread rogerhga

Dan, 
You are correct about the Southern car. It was purchased from the dealership 
here in Atlanta when new. A doctor owned it for it's first 16 years and I've 
had it ever since. It does not have rust. The only front suspension work was 
the tie rods. But, I don't do Italian tuneups (less drive train stress to use 
an additive) and it always gotten 3K oil/filter changes. And yes, it's gone 
through several servos ( I can change one out in about 25 minutes), which 
hasn't been a problem because George Murphy warrants his servos. It gets good 
mileage if I take it on a trip. But mostly, it's made with better steel than 
the newer versions. I trust my wife's life it the 116, not sure I'd do that in 
some of the thinner, newer models, even if you add the airbags. 
Again, we all like what we like 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
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Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Meade Dillon

Amen Jim!  I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was
very scary.  Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no
thanks and kept looking...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time...


 And the worst!  Overly worn suspensions on earlier models
 still drive all right.  On the 201/124, it feels like it
 wants to kill you at every turn.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

Well it's generally better to take a 4x4 on dirt tracks so the mog would 
have been the go, or my old Diesel Patrol with bullbar.

However a 123 Diesel with sump guard would do as well.
A window guard is also handy.

Hendrik
who has a fair bit of respect for dirt roads

On 21/04/14 21:48, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
I was thinking any vehicle.  If you had taken the trip before the 
north-south highway was completed, would you have taken the Mercedes 
then?

Gerry

Is this question limited to MB's?
I would have no hesitation to take my current MB around Oz, or if I 
wanted to really go bush, I might take the mog.


Hendrik
who has faith

On 21/04/14 18:59, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what 
would be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get 
stranded a long way out in the bush?

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black


I never said that a worn 201 is the best handling.
Rear steer is an issue with the multi link suspension but that should be 
fixed, can be fixed and is not that expensive to fix.
Used to have a manual 190E and that thing handled like it was on rails 
and was a real fun car to drive, let down by cramped interior.

Also not as comfy as the 123, which soaked up the bumps and stuff real well.
The 123/126 are cruisers but not meant for going quick around corners.

Hendrik
who is also a bit worn

On 22/04/14 08:25, Meade Dillon wrote:

Amen Jim!  I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was
very scary.  Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no
thanks and kept looking...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:


The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time...
And the worst!  Overly worn suspensions on earlier models
still drive all right.  On the 201/124, it feels like it
wants to kill you at every turn.

-- Jim






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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Mountain Man

Roger wrote:
 Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116.


116 took a long time to make it in to this thread.
I agree with Roger - 116 is a great ride.
We were sad after we sold ours to John Ervine.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Curt Raymond

Thats too bad, a properly setup 201 is an absolute delight to drive.
That said I'm starting to believe few people can really work on them. My '85 
was right when I first got it but my Indy was loathe to replace all the rear 
rubber bits in one go so it was never right again after the first link let go.
The '84 I had him redo everything, rear links and subframe mounts. I think this 
car was hit at some point so its never been quite right. Fred tells me he knows 
of a genius alignment guru, I'm thinking to take it to him and see if maybe new 
tires and a really good alignment by somebody who knows more than the computer 
can get it there.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:55:10 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black
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Amen Jim!  I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was
very scary.  Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no
thanks and kept looking...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time...


 And the worst!  Overly worn suspensions on earlier models
 still drive all right.  On the 201/124, it feels like it
 wants to kill you at every turn.

 -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Is pervine still alive?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 21, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Roger wrote:
 Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116.
 
 116 took a long time to make it in to this thread.
 I agree with Roger - 116 is a great ride.
 We were sad after we sold ours to John Ervine.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black

2014-04-21 Thread Meade Dillon

I agree with you and Hendrik that when a 201 has good suspension, it is a
joy.  I'm just agreeing with Jim that when a 201 or 124 goes bad, they can
go REALLY bad.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
 On Apr 21, 2014 9:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thats too bad, a properly setup 201 is an absolute delight to drive.
 That said I'm starting to believe few people can really work on them. My
 '85 was right when I first got it but my Indy was loathe to replace all the
 rear rubber bits in one go so it was never right again after the first link
 let go.
 The '84 I had him redo everything, rear links and subframe mounts. I think
 this car was hit at some point so its never been quite right. Fred tells me
 he knows of a genius alignment guru, I'm thinking to take it to him and see
 if maybe new tires and a really good alignment by somebody who knows more
 than the computer can get it there.

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:55:10 -0400
 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black
 Message-ID:
 cahonrr5seoz6tq0r6vf2oc6-tabqblpvsuekx9q+ry93maq...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 Amen Jim!  I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was
 very scary.  Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no
 thanks and kept looking...

 Max Dillon,
 Charleston SC
 On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

  The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time...
 
 
  And the worst!  Overly worn suspensions on earlier models
  still drive all right.  On the 201/124, it feels like it
  wants to kill you at every turn.
 
  -- Jim
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[MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

So lets talk about Mercedes!

I have temporarily given up on my search for a pick up truck... I guess you
could say my heart wasn't really in it.  I decided it would make much more
sense to get a W123 or W124 wagon with a trailer hitch.  I know how to fix
them, can get cheap parts, and they're not so... ugly.  My 5x10 utility
trailer can hold quite a bit when its needed.

Unfortunately, wagons aren't easy to find.  I don't mind ugly, but it has
to be safe and run reasonably well, or be priced accordingly.  Since I like
challenges, I responded to this ad:
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4398432114.html

The owner told me they are just looking for a good home... bingo:  I'm a
good home.  I went to check it out, but was disappointed.  It was last on
the road in 1994 and stored in a damp garage.  The wheels were frozen
solid.  Previous rust repair on the rockers.  All the parts needed to put
the car back together were spread all over the place and covered in rust
(including things like the cam and rockers).  The rebuilt engine was
lovely, except it wasn't assembled beyond torquing the head down to the
block.  Everything was covered in surface rust... just enough to start some
pitting.  The lower oil pan was off and it was the same inside.  What a
shame.  It might be salvageable, but the engine would have to been taken
down completely again to check.  And the car wasn't worth putting together.

So I passed, even if it could be had for a much cheaper price than
advertised.  They discussed scrapping the whole thing as an alternative to
selling, at which point I might be interested again.

To satisfy my need for some utility for now, I put one of those cheap Curt
trailer hitches on my 83 300D... the kind that bolts through the spare tire
well.  Despite being a very original car that drives really outstanding and
only has 140k miles, I have to continually remind myself that this car is
my beater which I bought for daily driving and its ok to do such things.
 I still feel guilty.  Installation was easy... about 30 minutes to drill
some holes and torque it down.  Wiring up the lights nicely took much more
time, as I soldiered directly to the pins in the taillight connectors.  Its
hard to melt that 30 year old solder in those lovely silver pins.

Elsewhere in the garage, I pulled the head off of the 1970 bat-shit 280SE
some of you may know about.  The very short version of the story is:  I
bought the car between christmas and new years.  77k documented miles,
original paint, very nice.  It was in a barn and covered in bird and bat
droppings for several years.  I got it running in place and drove it out
onto a trailer.  I got it home, replaced a huge number of parts to make it
reliable.  It was somewhat of a rush job, as I had to get the car on the
road to be used in the final episode of The Americans season 2.  (Look for
the brown W108 shot from behind).  I got the car all back together, brand
new tires on it, and drove it about 200 miles total over the course of a
week.  Everything was great, except it would run hot.  Not too bad, and the
car made it on TV.  After much diagnosis, I decided the head gasket was at
fault.  I pulled the head last weekend and I'm waiting for the machine shop
to give me the ok to put it back together.  While I'm waiting I'm doing
other odds and ends, including cleaning up the injectors in my new ebay
purchase:  an ultrasonic cleaner.

I drove my 67 300SEL last weekend for about 125 miles... the first real
driving in warm weather now that the roads are free of salt.  I'm happy to
report it does very well.  The hydraulic fan coupler which I had to rebuild
twice actually works and doesn't leak.  After coming off the highway, the
fan was clearly engaged and pulling air.  Still huge amounts of work to do
on this car, but its wonderful to drive it as I go.

I guess thats enough Mercedes stuff for now... its been a busy few weeks.

Happy easter everyone,

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


4k, they are on crack.  More like $400 maybe.

On 4/20/2014 7:08 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

So lets talk about Mercedes!

I have temporarily given up on my search for a pick up truck... I guess you
could say my heart wasn't really in it.  I decided it would make much more
sense to get a W123 or W124 wagon with a trailer hitch.  I know how to fix
them, can get cheap parts, and they're not so... ugly.  My 5x10 utility
trailer can hold quite a bit when its needed.

Unfortunately, wagons aren't easy to find.  I don't mind ugly, but it has
to be safe and run reasonably well, or be priced accordingly.  Since I like
challenges, I responded to this ad:
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4398432114.html

The owner told me they are just looking for a good home... bingo:  I'm a
good home.  I went to check it out, but was disappointed.  It was last on
the road in 1994 and stored in a damp garage.  The wheels were frozen
solid.  Previous rust repair on the rockers.  All the parts needed to put
the car back together were spread all over the place and covered in rust
(including things like the cam and rockers).  The rebuilt engine was
lovely, except it wasn't assembled beyond torquing the head down to the
block.  Everything was covered in surface rust... just enough to start some
pitting.  The lower oil pan was off and it was the same inside.  What a
shame.  It might be salvageable, but the engine would have to been taken
down completely again to check.  And the car wasn't worth putting together.

So I passed, even if it could be had for a much cheaper price than
advertised.  They discussed scrapping the whole thing as an alternative to
selling, at which point I might be interested again.

To satisfy my need for some utility for now, I put one of those cheap Curt
trailer hitches on my 83 300D... the kind that bolts through the spare tire
well.  Despite being a very original car that drives really outstanding and
only has 140k miles, I have to continually remind myself that this car is
my beater which I bought for daily driving and its ok to do such things.
  I still feel guilty.  Installation was easy... about 30 minutes to drill
some holes and torque it down.  Wiring up the lights nicely took much more
time, as I soldiered directly to the pins in the taillight connectors.  Its
hard to melt that 30 year old solder in those lovely silver pins.

Elsewhere in the garage, I pulled the head off of the 1970 bat-shit 280SE
some of you may know about.  The very short version of the story is:  I
bought the car between christmas and new years.  77k documented miles,
original paint, very nice.  It was in a barn and covered in bird and bat
droppings for several years.  I got it running in place and drove it out
onto a trailer.  I got it home, replaced a huge number of parts to make it
reliable.  It was somewhat of a rush job, as I had to get the car on the
road to be used in the final episode of The Americans season 2.  (Look for
the brown W108 shot from behind).  I got the car all back together, brand
new tires on it, and drove it about 200 miles total over the course of a
week.  Everything was great, except it would run hot.  Not too bad, and the
car made it on TV.  After much diagnosis, I decided the head gasket was at
fault.  I pulled the head last weekend and I'm waiting for the machine shop
to give me the ok to put it back together.  While I'm waiting I'm doing
other odds and ends, including cleaning up the injectors in my new ebay
purchase:  an ultrasonic cleaner.

I drove my 67 300SEL last weekend for about 125 miles... the first real
driving in warm weather now that the roads are free of salt.  I'm happy to
report it does very well.  The hydraulic fan coupler which I had to rebuild
twice actually works and doesn't leak.  After coming off the highway, the
fan was clearly engaged and pulling air.  Still huge amounts of work to do
on this car, but its wonderful to drive it as I go.

I guess thats enough Mercedes stuff for now... its been a busy few weeks.

Happy easter everyone,

Jaime






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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Gary Hurst

i knew a guy in NJ once who had a simply cherry silver 300TD.  maybe you
can buy his?


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote:

 So lets talk about Mercedes!

 I have temporarily given up on my search for a pick up truck... I guess you
 could say my heart wasn't really in it.  I decided it would make much more
 sense to get a W123 or W124 wagon with a trailer hitch.  I know how to fix
 them, can get cheap parts, and they're not so... ugly.  My 5x10 utility
 trailer can hold quite a bit when its needed.

 Unfortunately, wagons aren't easy to find.  I don't mind ugly, but it has
 to be safe and run reasonably well, or be priced accordingly.  Since I like
 challenges, I responded to this ad:
 http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4398432114.html

 The owner told me they are just looking for a good home... bingo:  I'm a
 good home.  I went to check it out, but was disappointed.  It was last on
 the road in 1994 and stored in a damp garage.  The wheels were frozen
 solid.  Previous rust repair on the rockers.  All the parts needed to put
 the car back together were spread all over the place and covered in rust
 (including things like the cam and rockers).  The rebuilt engine was
 lovely, except it wasn't assembled beyond torquing the head down to the
 block.  Everything was covered in surface rust... just enough to start some
 pitting.  The lower oil pan was off and it was the same inside.  What a
 shame.  It might be salvageable, but the engine would have to been taken
 down completely again to check.  And the car wasn't worth putting together.

 So I passed, even if it could be had for a much cheaper price than
 advertised.  They discussed scrapping the whole thing as an alternative to
 selling, at which point I might be interested again.

 To satisfy my need for some utility for now, I put one of those cheap Curt
 trailer hitches on my 83 300D... the kind that bolts through the spare tire
 well.  Despite being a very original car that drives really outstanding and
 only has 140k miles, I have to continually remind myself that this car is
 my beater which I bought for daily driving and its ok to do such things.
  I still feel guilty.  Installation was easy... about 30 minutes to drill
 some holes and torque it down.  Wiring up the lights nicely took much more
 time, as I soldiered directly to the pins in the taillight connectors.  Its
 hard to melt that 30 year old solder in those lovely silver pins.

 Elsewhere in the garage, I pulled the head off of the 1970 bat-shit 280SE
 some of you may know about.  The very short version of the story is:  I
 bought the car between christmas and new years.  77k documented miles,
 original paint, very nice.  It was in a barn and covered in bird and bat
 droppings for several years.  I got it running in place and drove it out
 onto a trailer.  I got it home, replaced a huge number of parts to make it
 reliable.  It was somewhat of a rush job, as I had to get the car on the
 road to be used in the final episode of The Americans season 2.  (Look for
 the brown W108 shot from behind).  I got the car all back together, brand
 new tires on it, and drove it about 200 miles total over the course of a
 week.  Everything was great, except it would run hot.  Not too bad, and the
 car made it on TV.  After much diagnosis, I decided the head gasket was at
 fault.  I pulled the head last weekend and I'm waiting for the machine shop
 to give me the ok to put it back together.  While I'm waiting I'm doing
 other odds and ends, including cleaning up the injectors in my new ebay
 purchase:  an ultrasonic cleaner.

 I drove my 67 300SEL last weekend for about 125 miles... the first real
 driving in warm weather now that the roads are free of salt.  I'm happy to
 report it does very well.  The hydraulic fan coupler which I had to rebuild
 twice actually works and doesn't leak.  After coming off the highway, the
 fan was clearly engaged and pulling air.  Still huge amounts of work to do
 on this car, but its wonderful to drive it as I go.

 I guess thats enough Mercedes stuff for now... its been a busy few weeks.

 Happy easter everyone,

 Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Rick Knoble

 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:08:02 -0400
 From: jaime...@gmail.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] I'm back

 So lets talk about Mercedes!

 I have temporarily given up on my search for a pick up truck... 

I thought that you and your BIL went in halfsies on one...

Memory must be going

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Rich Thomas


cool stuff

--R


On 4/20/14 8:08 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

So lets talk about Mercedes!





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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Meade Dillon

You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money than an
equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock brakes,
which the 123 almost certainly will not have.

Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will have 1700
kg towing capacity.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

As long as you don't care what your car looks like

andrew
Who is enamored of his 2 boxy, faux chic W123 wagons.


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money than an
 equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock brakes,
 which the 123 almost certainly will not have.

 Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will have 1700
 kg towing capacity.

 Max Dillon,
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Dwight Giles

Well not to start a 123/124 flame but I love /loved the looks of my 123
sedans and CD. That said,  for the last 8 years my daily driver has been a
124 sedan that I think is butt ugly. Pun intended- rear too narrow etc
But  it is the best car I have ever owned over 50 years in terms of driving
and cost of operating. (300-500 miles a week) )So Andrew you are right
about looks  but IMHO if you ever need a serious daily driver I think in
general it's hard to beat a 124.
On Apr 20, 2014 8:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 As long as you don't care what your car looks like

 andrew
 Who is enamored of his 2 boxy, faux chic W123 wagons.


 On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money than an
  equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock brakes,
  which the 123 almost certainly will not have.
 
  Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will have
 1700
  kg towing capacity.
 
  Max Dillon,
  Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread WILTON

123's are STILL very good looking cars.  A well maintained, immaculate one 
is fantastic.  'Still miss my '80 240D.

'Best riding/driving, though, is 126.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back



Well not to start a 123/124 flame but I love /loved the looks of my 123
sedans and CD. That said,  for the last 8 years my daily driver has been a
124 sedan that I think is butt ugly. Pun intended- rear too narrow etc
But  it is the best car I have ever owned over 50 years in terms of 
driving

and cost of operating. (300-500 miles a week) )So Andrew you are right
about looks  but IMHO if you ever need a serious daily driver I think in
general it's hard to beat a 124.
On Apr 20, 2014 8:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
wrote:



As long as you don't care what your car looks like

andrew
Who is enamored of his 2 boxy, faux chic W123 wagons.


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money than 
 an

 equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock brakes,
 which the 123 almost certainly will not have.

 Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will have
1700
 kg towing capacity.

 Max Dillon,
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Mitch Haley


WILTON wrote:
123's are STILL very good looking cars.  A well maintained, immaculate 
one is fantastic.  'Still miss my '80 240D.

'Best riding/driving, though, is 126.


Is the 124 the best handling car you've had?

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Dwight Giles

Yes I miss my 240D's too. I won't argue with you about a 126. I have never
owned one but have driven several  I  lust in my heart for one.
On Apr 20, 2014 8:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 123's are STILL very good looking cars.  A well maintained, immaculate one
 is fantastic.  'Still miss my '80 240D.
 'Best riding/driving, though, is 126.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back


  Well not to start a 123/124 flame but I love /loved the looks of my 123
 sedans and CD. That said,  for the last 8 years my daily driver has been a
 124 sedan that I think is butt ugly. Pun intended- rear too narrow etc
 But  it is the best car I have ever owned over 50 years in terms of
 driving
 and cost of operating. (300-500 miles a week) )So Andrew you are right
 about looks  but IMHO if you ever need a serious daily driver I think in
 general it's hard to beat a 124.
 On Apr 20, 2014 8:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  As long as you don't care what your car looks like

 andrew
 Who is enamored of his 2 boxy, faux chic W123 wagons.


 On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money than
  an
  equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock brakes,
  which the 123 almost certainly will not have.
 
  Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will have
 1700
  kg towing capacity.
 
  Max Dillon,
  Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

I'd rather a 123 over a 124 for several reasons...  I still have a 123 as
my daily driver.

A 124 wagon would be fine for me for what I need... earlier gas ones don't
seem to be too valuable.

Jaime



On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well not to start a 123/124 flame but I love /loved the looks of my 123
 sedans and CD. That said,  for the last 8 years my daily driver has been a
 124 sedan that I think is butt ugly. Pun intended- rear too narrow etc
 But  it is the best car I have ever owned over 50 years in terms of driving
 and cost of operating. (300-500 miles a week) )So Andrew you are right
 about looks  but IMHO if you ever need a serious daily driver I think in
 general it's hard to beat a 124.
 On Apr 20, 2014 8:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  As long as you don't care what your car looks like
 
  andrew
  Who is enamored of his 2 boxy, faux chic W123 wagons.
 
 
  On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money than
 an
   equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock brakes,
   which the 123 almost certainly will not have.
  
   Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will have
  1700
   kg towing capacity.
  
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   Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Dwight Giles

Well I really wouldn't argue that. My 79 240D was my daily driver for
years. That's on I95 going into Boston.  Succumbed to tin worm at ~ 300k
miles. As they say they're all good- oh wait a minute then there are the
rusty 210's.
On Apr 20, 2014 8:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd rather a 123 over a 124 for several reasons...  I still have a 123 as
 my daily driver.

 A 124 wagon would be fine for me for what I need... earlier gas ones don't
 seem to be too valuable.

 Jaime



 On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Well not to start a 123/124 flame but I love /loved the looks of my 123
  sedans and CD. That said,  for the last 8 years my daily driver has been
 a
  124 sedan that I think is butt ugly. Pun intended- rear too narrow etc
  But  it is the best car I have ever owned over 50 years in terms of
 driving
  and cost of operating. (300-500 miles a week) )So Andrew you are right
  about looks  but IMHO if you ever need a serious daily driver I think in
  general it's hard to beat a 124.
  On Apr 20, 2014 8:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   As long as you don't care what your car looks like
  
   andrew
   Who is enamored of his 2 boxy, faux chic W123 wagons.
  
  
   On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money
 than
  an
equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock
 brakes,
which the 123 almost certainly will not have.
   
Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will
 have
   1700
kg towing capacity.
   
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread Meade Dillon

Early 124 wagons suffer from cracking rear subframe mounts.  Later years
had beefier metal in back, no cracking.  Plus they look much better than
the early models, came with stock euro headlights.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 20, 2014 8:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd rather a 123 over a 124 for several reasons...  I still have a 123 as
 my daily driver.

 A 124 wagon would be fine for me for what I need... earlier gas ones don't
 seem to be too valuable.

 Jaime



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  Well not to start a 123/124 flame but I love /loved the looks of my 123
  sedans and CD. That said,  for the last 8 years my daily driver has been
 a
  124 sedan that I think is butt ugly. Pun intended- rear too narrow etc
  But  it is the best car I have ever owned over 50 years in terms of
 driving
  and cost of operating. (300-500 miles a week) )So Andrew you are right
  about looks  but IMHO if you ever need a serious daily driver I think in
  general it's hard to beat a 124.
  On Apr 20, 2014 8:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   As long as you don't care what your car looks like
  
   andrew
   Who is enamored of his 2 boxy, faux chic W123 wagons.
  
  
   On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
You can probably find a nice '95 wagon for the same or less money
 than
  an
equivalent 123 wagon, and you'll get dual airbags and anti lock
 brakes,
which the 123 almost certainly will not have.
   
Score a hitch from euro land, it will bolt right in, and you will
 have
   1700
kg towing capacity.
   
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

2014-04-20 Thread WILTON

124 is good, but 126 is best.  Drives like flying on a cool clear day; rock 
steady; only slight pressure left or right on steering wheel to put it 
'zackly where ya want it.


Wilton

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123's are STILL very good looking cars.  A well maintained, immaculate 
one is fantastic.  'Still miss my '80 240D.

'Best riding/driving, though, is 126.


Is the 124 the best handling car you've had?

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-23 Thread Larry T

There has also been a problem with crime on board some ships  - being 
foreign flagged and with foreign nationals involved it makes finding 
guilty parties difficult.  Also, the Captain is ultimately in charge of 
all legal investigations making things difficult - especially in major 
crimes.


Sincerely,
Larry

On 3/22/2014 12:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Ps, think I would do royal carribean or Norwegian next time, probably more 
mature crowd. One thing I wonder is about these people who work on these ship. 
They are from all over the world and since the ships are not registered in the 
us they probably pay them about 1-2 bucks per hour, which I guess for the 3rd 
world countries they come from that is probably good. So I figured they 
probably never get home to see their families. As far as the gratuity added 
automatically to the bill, cruise line says it goes to cabin Stewarts, workers 
etc but I bet most just pads the company profits. We complained and they took 
it off. We tipped cash directly to the guy who took care of our cabin all week.

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Carnival? We did Royal Caribbean last year and Norwegian in 2011.

The trick with shore excursions is to not book them with the cruise line. If 
its an activity like cave tubing in Belize you can book with another outfitter, 
have a better experience and spend less money.
For a beach excursion you book at the edge of the cruise port. They'll haggle 
and you can find a better spot for way less money.
Cozumel is rocky, we went to the dolphinarium, and yeah it was expensive but it 
was worth it.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:11:30 -0400
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I do not really drink much myself but they were more like $10-14 for drinks on 
this ship. Plus they Charge you 15% gratuity on any purchase, and they charge 
$11 per day per person automatically for gratuity. Then the kids activity past 
10 pm cost money. When we got off in Mexico it cost me close to $300 for a 
simple beach excursion. I don't know if all beaches in Cozumel are the same or 
just this one but it was not a sandy beach like I wanted, it was one of those 
rocky beaches, mainly for snorkeling.

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[MBZ] I'm back in Miami

Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is, ship did 
not sink, no incidents at all except for the 16 year old locating some liquor 
somewhere and winding up drunk.

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff

Noro virus.

Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone would 
find liquor on a cruise ship.

/sarcasm

Dan

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 Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is, ship did 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread Bob Rentfro

I figured Regina would be FB-ing nonstop. I don't think she posted a single
thing.

Bob R
On Mar 21, 2014 5:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas


International waters, no likka laws!

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On 3/21/14 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Noro virus.

Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone would 
find liquor on a cruise ship.

/sarcasm

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is, ship did 
not sink, no incidents at all except for the 16 year old locating some liquor 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

Did you spot any 777 debris?


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 Noro virus.

 Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone
 would find liquor on a cruise ship.

 /sarcasm

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff

You haven't been on a cruise ship lately, have you?

Their wireless charges are piracy on the high seas...

Dan

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 I figured Regina would be FB-ing nonstop. I don't think she posted a single
 thing.
 
 Bob R
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It's about $500 a minute for Internet access

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 I figured Regina would be FB-ing nonstop. I don't think she posted a single
 thing.
 
 Bob R
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 Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is, ship
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Well the delta plane I flew down had fresh paint and there was some foreign 
flight safety materials in the seat pockets.


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 On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Did you spot any 777 debris?
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Noro virus.
 
 Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone
 would find liquor on a cruise ship.
 
 /sarcasm
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread Gary Hurst

is that a good airline?


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Well the delta plane I flew down had fresh paint and there was some
 foreign flight safety materials in the seat pockets.


 Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Did you spot any 777 debris?
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
  Noro virus.
 
  Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone
  would find liquor on a cruise ship.
 
  /sarcasm
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  wrote:
 
  Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is,
 ship
  did not sink, no incidents at all except for the 16 year old locating
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  liquor somewhere and winding up drunk.
 
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Cruise lines are pirates. They nickel and dime you to death.

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 You haven't been on a cruise ship lately, have you?
 
 Their wireless charges are piracy on the high seas...
 
 Dan
 
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 I figured Regina would be FB-ing nonstop. I don't think she posted a single
 thing.
 
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Delta? No.

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 is that a good airline?
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
 
 Well the delta plane I flew down had fresh paint and there was some
 foreign flight safety materials in the seat pockets.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 wrote:
 
 Did you spot any 777 debris?
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Noro virus.
 
 Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone
 would find liquor on a cruise ship.
 
 /sarcasm
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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2014-03-21 Thread Curt Raymond

Think so? We've been twice in the last 3 years and I thought both times it was 
pretty reasonable. What'er you doing getting on the internet from a cruise ship 
anyway? You ought to be enjoying yourself and doing stuff on the ship.

The ones we went on were charging around $7 for a mixed drink, about $4 for a 
beer (well a quality beer that I'd drink) which I don't consider a bad price, 
in any big city $10 for a mixed drink is normal. When you consider they have to 
lug everything you eat or drink with them...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:34:15 -0400
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami
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Cruise lines are pirates. They nickel and dime you to death.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 You haven't been on a cruise ship lately, have you?
 
 Their wireless charges are piracy on the high seas...
 
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I do not really drink much myself but they were more like $10-14 for drinks on 
this ship. Plus they Charge you 15% gratuity on any purchase, and they charge 
$11 per day per person automatically for gratuity. Then the kids activity past 
10 pm cost money. When we got off in Mexico it cost me close to $300 for a 
simple beach excursion. I don't know if all beaches in Cozumel are the same or 
just this one but it was not a sandy beach like I wanted, it was one of those 
rocky beaches, mainly for snorkeling. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Think so? We've been twice in the last 3 years and I thought both times it 
 was pretty reasonable. What'er you doing getting on the internet from a 
 cruise ship anyway? You ought to be enjoying yourself and doing stuff on the 
 ship.
 
 The ones we went on were charging around $7 for a mixed drink, about $4 for a 
 beer (well a quality beer that I'd drink) which I don't consider a bad price, 
 in any big city $10 for a mixed drink is normal. When you consider they have 
 to lug everything you eat or drink with them...
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:34:15 -0400
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami
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 Cruise lines are pirates. They nickel and dime you to death.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
  
 You haven't been on a cruise ship lately, have you?
  
 Their wireless charges are piracy on the high seas...
  
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

That really sucks.


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 I do not really drink much myself but they were more like $10-14 for
 drinks on this ship. Plus they Charge you 15% gratuity on any purchase, and
 they charge $11 per day per person automatically for gratuity. Then the
 kids activity past 10 pm cost money. When we got off in Mexico it cost me
 close to $300 for a simple beach excursion. I don't know if all beaches in
 Cozumel are the same or just this one but it was not a sandy beach like I
 wanted, it was one of those rocky beaches, mainly for snorkeling.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Think so? We've been twice in the last 3 years and I thought both times
 it was pretty reasonable. What'er you doing getting on the internet from a
 cruise ship anyway? You ought to be enjoying yourself and doing stuff on
 the ship.
 
  The ones we went on were charging around $7 for a mixed drink, about $4
 for a beer (well a quality beer that I'd drink) which I don't consider a
 bad price, in any big city $10 for a mixed drink is normal. When you
 consider they have to lug everything you eat or drink with them...
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:34:15 -0400
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami
  Message-ID:
  assp.315719321b.d7842052-91bb-4ecb-b145-e9b131d5d...@striplin.net
  Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
 
  Cruise lines are pirates. They nickel and dime you to death.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
  You haven't been on a cruise ship lately, have you?
 
  Their wireless charges are piracy on the high seas...
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com

Did you hear about the Delta plane that lost a large chunk of aluminum 
off its wing?  This link has good picture of wing:


http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/delta-plane-flying-orlando-atlanta-loses-wing-pane/nfD88/

Gerry

On 3/21/2014 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Well the delta plane I flew down had fresh paint and there was some foreign 
flight safety materials in the seat pockets.


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

Did you spot any 777 debris?



On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Noro virus.

Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone
would find liquor on a cruise ship.

/sarcasm

Dan

Sent from my iPad


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wrote:

Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is, ship

did not sink, no incidents at all except for the 16 year old locating some
liquor somewhere and winding up drunk.

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2014-03-21 Thread Curt Raymond

Carnival? We did Royal Caribbean last year and Norwegian in 2011.

The trick with shore excursions is to not book them with the cruise line. If 
its an activity like cave tubing in Belize you can book with another outfitter, 
have a better experience and spend less money.
For a beach excursion you book at the edge of the cruise port. They'll haggle 
and you can find a better spot for way less money.
Cozumel is rocky, we went to the dolphinarium, and yeah it was expensive but it 
was worth it.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:11:30 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami
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I do not really drink much myself but they were more like $10-14 for drinks on 
this ship. Plus they Charge you 15% gratuity on any purchase, and they charge 
$11 per day per person automatically for gratuity. Then the kids activity past 
10 pm cost money. When we got off in Mexico it cost me close to $300 for a 
simple beach excursion. I don't know if all beaches in Cozumel are the same or 
just this one but it was not a sandy beach like I wanted, it was one of those 
rocky beaches, mainly for snorkeling. 

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami

2014-03-21 Thread clay

There are no liquor laws on the high seas.  You have to drink.  It is the 
Pirate way

clay

On Mar 21, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 Noro virus.
 
 Way to go - giving an underage child liquor.  I can't imagine how anyone 
 would find liquor on a cruise ship.
 
 /sarcasm
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is, ship did 
 not sink, no incidents at all except for the 16 year old locating some 
 liquor somewhere and winding up drunk.
 
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Wow, well I am done with delta for sure. We did not have any problems this time
except some Cubans stole Regina's phone in the Miami airport. On the flight
from atl to tul we were on a a319, pilot was a very nice fellow. When we were
boarding he was out talking to the passengers, said he was going to make it
like a Disney ride, just joking and having a good time. Then said no it would
be nice and smooth. There was a storm and he had to vector around it but did
have a little rough air, nothing bad. My 5 year olds ears were popping with the
pressure change. We were all the way in the back. And when we got off we were
the last off and captain was out taking again, the 5 year old goes up to him
and says you hurt my ears you are the worse driver ever! It was funny. So the
captain sends him into the cockpit to look around the gives him a set of those
kiddy wings. That was pretty cool. Back in the old days they used to do that
sort of thing all the time.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:51 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Did you hear about the Delta plane that lost a large chunk of aluminum off
its wing? This link has good picture of wing:

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/delta-plane-flying-orlando-atlanta-loses-wing-pane/nfD88/

Gerry

On 3/21/2014 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well the delta plane I flew down had fresh paint and there was some foreign
flight safety materials in the seat pockets.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:

Did you spot any 777 debris?

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Noro virus.

Way to go - giving an underage child liquor. I can't imagine how anyone
would find liquor on a cruise ship.

/sarcasm

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
wrote:

Just docked back in Miami. No nova virus or whatever that virus is, ship
did not sink, no incidents at all except for the 16 year old locating some
liquor somewhere and winding up drunk.
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Carnival. I think they are more low cost and more for the party crowd.  We did 
not book anything when we got off at key west, and did discover could do all 
the same stuff booked direct, much cheaper. At Cozumel, when you get off at the 
port, they have it rigged to where you pretty much have to book one of their 
tours. I did not see anywhere to book anything off the ship. Inside the port 
area they have a big shopping tourist trap area. We walked outside the port and 
shopped in several flea markets and were able to talk the Mexicans down quite a 
bit on their prices, much much cheaper than buying at the tourist trap places 
inside the port area.

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 On Mar 21, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Carnival? We did Royal Caribbean last year and Norwegian in 2011.
 
 The trick with shore excursions is to not book them with the cruise line. If 
 its an activity like cave tubing in Belize you can book with another 
 outfitter, have a better experience and spend less money.
 For a beach excursion you book at the edge of the cruise port. They'll haggle 
 and you can find a better spot for way less money.
 Cozumel is rocky, we went to the dolphinarium, and yeah it was expensive but 
 it was worth it.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:11:30 -0400
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami
 Message-ID:
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 I do not really drink much myself but they were more like $10-14 for drinks 
 on this ship. Plus they Charge you 15% gratuity on any purchase, and they 
 charge $11 per day per person automatically for gratuity. Then the kids 
 activity past 10 pm cost money. When we got off in Mexico it cost me close to 
 $300 for a simple beach excursion. I don't know if all beaches in Cozumel are 
 the same or just this one but it was not a sandy beach like I wanted, it was 
 one of those rocky beaches, mainly for snorkeling. 
 
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Ps, think I would do royal carribean or Norwegian next time, probably more 
mature crowd. One thing I wonder is about these people who work on these ship. 
They are from all over the world and since the ships are not registered in the 
us they probably pay them about 1-2 bucks per hour, which I guess for the 3rd 
world countries they come from that is probably good. So I figured they 
probably never get home to see their families. As far as the gratuity added 
automatically to the bill, cruise line says it goes to cabin Stewarts, workers 
etc but I bet most just pads the company profits. We complained and they took 
it off. We tipped cash directly to the guy who took care of our cabin all week. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 21, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Carnival? We did Royal Caribbean last year and Norwegian in 2011.
 
 The trick with shore excursions is to not book them with the cruise line. If 
 its an activity like cave tubing in Belize you can book with another 
 outfitter, have a better experience and spend less money.
 For a beach excursion you book at the edge of the cruise port. They'll haggle 
 and you can find a better spot for way less money.
 Cozumel is rocky, we went to the dolphinarium, and yeah it was expensive but 
 it was worth it.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:11:30 -0400
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
 
 I do not really drink much myself but they were more like $10-14 for drinks 
 on this ship. Plus they Charge you 15% gratuity on any purchase, and they 
 charge $11 per day per person automatically for gratuity. Then the kids 
 activity past 10 pm cost money. When we got off in Mexico it cost me close to 
 $300 for a simple beach excursion. I don't know if all beaches in Cozumel are 
 the same or just this one but it was not a sandy beach like I wanted, it was 
 one of those rocky beaches, mainly for snorkeling. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-16 Thread Mitch Haley


Dieselhead wrote:

Super Andrew = SA  As in the Adventures of Super Andrew.  Mild mannered 
gooberment civil servant by day and superhero by night, and his faithful 
sidekick, Batsh*t Catsh*t, the feline with superpowers.


Maybe MMM could lend some help with the artwork, Couch Kitties style?

Mitch

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2014-02-16 Thread Mitch Haley


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Jabba means the mob,
Or maybe the CIA. My company is dominion dealer solutions 


Did you misspell Dominican?

Mitch.

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2014-02-16 Thread Gary Hurst

he's a dominican dealer



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Jabba means the mob,
 Or maybe the CIA. My company is dominion dealer solutions


 Did you misspell Dominican?

 Mitch.


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maybe THE company?


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:23:39 -0400 Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:

  It was Jamaica last year, which was way nicer of a resort
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
   On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:53 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Company meeting. IIRC, he went last year as well.

 So what company are you working for, Kaleb?


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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

I just can't stop laughing.  This list is better than Comedy Central.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 maybe THE company?


 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

  On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:23:39 -0400 Kaleb C. Striplin
  ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
   It was Jamaica last year, which was way nicer of a resort
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:53 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Company meeting. IIRC, he went last year as well.
 
  So what company are you working for, Kaleb?
 
 
  Craig
 
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2014-02-15 Thread Dieselhead


I just can't stop laughing.  This list is better than Comedy Central.



Yeah, I've gotta dream up another SA story.  SA has been dormant a 
couple weeks.


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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

yeah, can you believe they drove me off for 4 years?  how dreadful it must
have been for you, andrew?


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I just can't stop laughing.  This list is better than Comedy Central.


 On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  maybe THE company?
 
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
   On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:23:39 -0400 Kaleb C. Striplin
   ka...@striplin.net wrote:
  
It was Jamaica last year, which was way nicer of a resort
   
Sent from my iPhone
   
 On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:53 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Company meeting. IIRC, he went last year as well.
  
   So what company are you working for, Kaleb?
  
  
   Craig
  
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:51:19 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel
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 I just can't stop laughing.  This list is better than Comedy Central.
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  maybe THE company?

I guess I'm missing something


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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:27:16 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just can't stop laughing.  This list is better than Comedy Central.
 
 
 Yeah, I've gotta dream up another SA story.  SA has been dormant a 
 couple weeks.

SA? Samuel Adams? South America? Southwest Airlines? Silver-plated
Agitator? Severe Amnesia? 


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not everyone gets everything, which is obvious.  i don't get cooking or
interior decorating so much.  you don't get intelligent banter.

it is just diversity, y'know?


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:51:19 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel
 astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

  I just can't stop laughing.  This list is better than Comedy Central.
 
 
  On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   maybe THE company?

 I guess I'm missing something


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-15 Thread Dieselhead


On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:27:16 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 I just can't stop laughing.  This list is better than Comedy Central.
 

 Yeah, I've gotta dream up another SA story.  SA has been dormant a
 couple weeks.


SA? Samuel Adams? South America? Southwest Airlines? Silver-plated
Agitator? Severe Amnesia?

Craig


Super Andrew = SA  As in the Adventures of Super Andrew.  Mild 
mannered gooberment civil servant by day and superhero by night, and 
his faithful sidekick, Batsh*t Catsh*t, the feline with superpowers.


We just need to make up some more stories featuring our superheroes.

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2014-02-15 Thread Dieselhead


not everyone gets everything, which is obvious.  i don't get cooking or
interior decorating so much.  you don't get intelligent banter.

it is just diversity, y'know?


Bzzzt!  wrong.  Craig gets INTELLIGENT banter, no your bull

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:31 -0500 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

   On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
maybe THE company?
 
  I guess I'm missing something

 not everyone gets everything, which is obvious.  i don't get cooking or
 interior decorating so much.  you don't get intelligent banter.

So, what is THE company? What does it reference?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

is this your first week in the united states?


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:31 -0500 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
 maybe THE company?
  
   I guess I'm missing something
 
  not everyone gets everything, which is obvious.  i don't get cooking or
  interior decorating so much.  you don't get intelligent banter.

 So, what is THE company? What does it reference?


 Craig

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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:09:21 -0500 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
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 is this your first week in the united states?

You know enough to not have to ask that question. All I wanted to know is
what you meant by THE company and what reference it might have. Others,
in mentioning Monty Python quotes of which I was uninformed, graciously
told me what the reference was so I could look it up.


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