Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
I forget which car but one of my MBs needed both. Got a new cylinder and about a month later it was sticking again, got a new lock and all was well. The moral of the story is if you replace the cylinder and need the lock its because you ALSO needed the lock, the cylinder was probably bad... -Curt Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:57:35 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Its the cylinder, without a doubt. But, if you have it out and it still wont turn with a screwdriver, then its not the cylinder. But, as I said, its 99.99% sure that it is. Ken Rushing wrote: I've removed the ignition cylinder. So how will I know if it's a bad cylinder or a bad lock/ignition mechanism? Should I go ahead and get a new cylinder to see if that's the fix? I'd hate to get the new cylinder and install it then the cylinder becomes stuck again because it was the lock mechanism. Any way to tell? Thanks again, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
I agree on the urgency, unless you are careful to apply my technique: Before you shut off the vehicle, 1. place the wheel just in the middle of its slop. 2. turn the key all the way to zero, then back to position one. 3. this way its all ready for your next start, and it is not locked up 4. if parking in a non trustworthy location, you may now remove tumbler with a paper clip (yes, I suppose someone could still start vehicle with large flat screwdriver with tumbler removed) Be careful of parking on hills, especially with wheels turned, as this invites solid lockup. I have gotten around this problem by squirting some lube I have called Bike Aid. Got it from Harley dealership. Squirt it down into the hole tumbler comes out of. Problem is that it seems to wear off. And I dont want to see the mess it leaves in there. Its something like molybdenum somthing or other. On occasions I have locked up, I have employed technique consisting of violently twisting key, yanking wheel back and forth, and kicking steering column. Then remembering to say prayer of thanks. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, dont start working on it this weekend, work on it NOW, or do not drive the car again until you either pull the tumbler out and use the screw driver approach. Ken Rushing wrote: After much prayer and sweat, the key had turned! Thanks for all the input! I will start working on it this weekend. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
I should mention that the condition I describe is not caused by a bad tumbler. I bought and replaced one to no benefit. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree on the urgency, unless you are careful to apply my technique: Before you shut off the vehicle, 1. place the wheel just in the middle of its slop. 2. turn the key all the way to zero, then back to position one. 3. this way its all ready for your next start, and it is not locked up 4. if parking in a non trustworthy location, you may now remove tumbler with a paper clip (yes, I suppose someone could still start vehicle with large flat screwdriver with tumbler removed) Be careful of parking on hills, especially with wheels turned, as this invites solid lockup. I have gotten around this problem by squirting some lube I have called Bike Aid. Got it from Harley dealership. Squirt it down into the hole tumbler comes out of. Problem is that it seems to wear off. And I dont want to see the mess it leaves in there. Its something like molybdenum somthing or other. On occasions I have locked up, I have employed technique consisting of violently twisting key, yanking wheel back and forth, and kicking steering column. Then remembering to say prayer of thanks. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, dont start working on it this weekend, work on it NOW, or do not drive the car again until you either pull the tumbler out and use the screw driver approach. Ken Rushing wrote: After much prayer and sweat, the key had turned! Thanks for all the input! I will start working on it this weekend. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
I had a similar problem on my coupe that was solved by squirting a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil into/onto the lock pin that goes from the ignition lock cylinder chamber to the steering column. Has worked flawlessly for at least 2 years now. I did replace the lock cylinder too. Luther Zoltan Finks wrote: I should mention that the condition I describe is not caused by a bad tumbler. I bought and replaced one to no benefit. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree on the urgency, unless you are careful to apply my technique: Before you shut off the vehicle, 1. place the wheel just in the middle of its slop. 2. turn the key all the way to zero, then back to position one. 3. this way its all ready for your next start, and it is not locked up 4. if parking in a non trustworthy location, you may now remove tumbler with a paper clip (yes, I suppose someone could still start vehicle with large flat screwdriver with tumbler removed) Be careful of parking on hills, especially with wheels turned, as this invites solid lockup. I have gotten around this problem by squirting some lube I have called Bike Aid. Got it from Harley dealership. Squirt it down into the hole tumbler comes out of. Problem is that it seems to wear off. And I dont want to see the mess it leaves in there. Its something like molybdenum somthing or other. On occasions I have locked up, I have employed technique consisting of violently twisting key, yanking wheel back and forth, and kicking steering column. Then remembering to say prayer of thanks. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, dont start working on it this weekend, work on it NOW, or do not drive the car again until you either pull the tumbler out and use the screw driver approach. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
good boy!! Ken Rushing wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
he should just spend the 2 minutes to pull the tumbler NOW, then use a screw driver to start/stop it till he gets the new one in. Wilton Strickland wrote: If he turns it off, it may never turn again - key in it or not - his problem's not getting the key in it, it's turning it! Please pardon us if we seem edgy, Ken, but we're just hoping you can avoid the cutting/chisel, big money route in favor of the two-minute, extremely simple one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn You can turn the key off -- just don't remove it. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
I've removed the ignition cylinder. So how will I know if it's a bad cylinder or a bad lock/ignition mechanism? Should I go ahead and get a new cylinder to see if that's the fix? I'd hate to get the new cylinder and install it then the cylinder becomes stuck again because it was the lock mechanism. Any way to tell? Thanks again, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Its the cylinder, without a doubt. But, if you have it out and it still wont turn with a screwdriver, then its not the cylinder. But, as I said, its 99.99% sure that it is. Ken Rushing wrote: I've removed the ignition cylinder. So how will I know if it's a bad cylinder or a bad lock/ignition mechanism? Should I go ahead and get a new cylinder to see if that's the fix? I'd hate to get the new cylinder and install it then the cylinder becomes stuck again because it was the lock mechanism. Any way to tell? Thanks again, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:54 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Not that I know of. If you'll be more comfortable with it, get the lock assembly, too. I've ordered and replaced several tumblers/cylinders, and I've had the ENTIRE lock/switch assemnbly out of my 87 300D (coupla months ago for evaporator swap), but I've never installed a new lock. Check with Rusty; I know the tumbler cylinder is very reasonable; 'think the lock is, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn I've removed the ignition cylinder. So how will I know if it's a bad cylinder or a bad lock/ignition mechanism? Should I go ahead and get a new cylinder to see if that's the fix? I'd hate to get the new cylinder and install it then the cylinder becomes stuck again because it was the lock mechanism. Any way to tell? Thanks again, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
I'll give Rusty a call tomorrow and order the cylinder. For now, a screwdriver turns the assembly with ease. Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Great! Good luck! Wilton - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn I'll give Rusty a call tomorrow and order the cylinder. For now, a screwdriver turns the assembly with ease. Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
Thanks for finishing my thought. I tried to hint at that idea, but never actually said it. I wasn't fully awake at the time -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (278,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (181 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you do get it to turn again, just remove it and start the thing with a screw driver till you get the new one in. Luther wrote: Next time you get the key to turn (if there is one...) you MUST leave the key turned!!! (I have had success by turning against the key and wiggling the steering wheel back and forth until the key turns.) The tumbler cylinder has failed and you need to order a VIN keyed tumbler from Rusty, your local stealership, or MB Classic yesterday. Remove the cylinder at anytime after you get it to turn. Turn the lock to position 2 (run position) and insert a paper clip into the small hole on the face of the tumbler. This will allow the black ring to unscrew off the cylinder. Replacement is the same as removal. Here is a tutorial on how to remove the cylinder if you cannot get the key to turn. http://dieselgiant.com/mercedes_diesel_maintenance_tips1%20page%202.htm Hope this helps. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Yes, he does. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn I don't think Rusty does that anymore. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: First, with the car's VIN, order a new lock cylinder from Rusty ... -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
After much prayer and sweat, the key had turned! Thanks for all the input! I will start working on it this weekend. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Hi Ken What was your technique? Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn After much prayer and sweat, the key had turned! Thanks for all the input! I will start working on it this weekend. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Last night I jiggled the key, yanked on the steering wheel, kept turning the steering wheel and nothing. This morning before going to work, after I prayed a desperate prayer, did the same thing. And it turned! Thanks! Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Ken, if it's acting up occasionally without any undue pressure from the position of the front wheels, ya better go ahead and replace the cylinder while ya can do it two minutes for the mere cost of the cylinder, 'stead of having to get a tow, be without the car a while and getting it cut out for $700 to $800. If it's acting up, it's only a matter of time before it REALLY WILL BITE YOU AND HAVE ITS WAY WITH YOU. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
He may also want to just pull it and clean it. Particularly if hes using a brass key (get a steal key). I missed what kind of car it was, W123 or prior? -Rolf Wilton Strickland wrote: Ken, if it's acting up occasionally without any undue pressure from the position of the front wheels, ya better go ahead and replace the cylinder while ya can do it two minutes for the mere cost of the cylinder, 'stead of having to get a tow, be without the car a while and getting it cut out for $700 to $800. If it's acting up, it's only a matter of time before it REALLY WILL BITE YOU AND HAVE ITS WAY WITH YOU. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Wilton Strickland wrote: Ken, if it's acting up occasionally without any undue pressure from the position of the front wheels, ya better go ahead and replace the cylinder while ya can do it... Sounds like Ken's son already ignored it for a few weeks until it got to the stage where you get down on your knees and thank the Lord that you got it unlocked one more time. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Yep, I think so, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn Wilton Strickland wrote: Ken, if it's acting up occasionally without any undue pressure from the position of the front wheels, ya better go ahead and replace the cylinder while ya can do it... Sounds like Ken's son already ignored it for a few weeks until it got to the stage where you get down on your knees and thank the Lord that you got it unlocked one more time. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
No, dont start working on it this weekend, work on it NOW, or do not drive the car again until you either pull the tumbler out and use the screw driver approach. Ken Rushing wrote: After much prayer and sweat, the key had turned! Thanks for all the input! I will start working on it this weekend. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
It sounds to me like they got their one last turn of the key so they can pull the tumbler out, but instead they are hoping to make it to the weekend. Chances are, it will never turn again. Mitch Haley wrote: Wilton Strickland wrote: Ken, if it's acting up occasionally without any undue pressure from the position of the front wheels, ya better go ahead and replace the cylinder while ya can do it... Sounds like Ken's son already ignored it for a few weeks until it got to the stage where you get down on your knees and thank the Lord that you got it unlocked one more time. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Yep Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn It sounds to me like they got their one last turn of the key so they can pull the tumbler out, but instead they are hoping to make it to the weekend. Chances are, it will never turn again. Mitch Haley wrote: Wilton Strickland wrote: Ken, if it's acting up occasionally without any undue pressure from the position of the front wheels, ya better go ahead and replace the cylinder while ya can do it... Sounds like Ken's son already ignored it for a few weeks until it got to the stage where you get down on your knees and thank the Lord that you got it unlocked one more time. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can turn the key off -- just don't remove it. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Why don't you just shove a bent paper clip into the little hole and pull the ignition cylinder out NOW? Then you've beat house at Blackjack. Turn, push, remove, smile. Trust me -- there are few things worse (a vasectomy NOT among them) than removing the ignition cylinder once the pins lock up. I haven't experienced it myself but have read tales of woe from those who have. You are up to bat with a 3/2 count. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If he turns it off, it may never turn again - key in it or not - his problem's not getting the key in it, it's turning it! Please pardon us if we seem edgy, Ken, but we're just hoping you can avoid the cutting/chisel, big money route in favor of the two-minute, extremely simple one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn You can turn the key off -- just don't remove it. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You are correct -- I retract. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: If he turns it off, it may never turn again - key in it or not - his problem's not getting the key in it, it's turning it! Please pardon us if we seem edgy, Ken, but we're just hoping you can avoid the cutting/chisel, big money route in favor of the two-minute, extremely simple one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn You can turn the key off -- just don't remove it. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
I don't know -- looking from the outside, it is so simple -- just yank the cylinder now while you can! Then call Rusty and get a new one. In have a small piece of paper taped to my computer display (don't forget what I do for a living) -- YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID. I am not saying anyone involved is stupid -- unless the key works that last time and then the individual spends $700 doing what a paperclip could have fixed. Don On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: If he turns it off, it may never turn again - key in it or not - his problem's not getting the key in it, it's turning it! Please pardon us if we seem edgy, Ken, but we're just hoping you can avoid the cutting/chisel, big money route in favor of the two-minute, extremely simple one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn You can turn the key off -- just don't remove it. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
Next time you get the key to turn (if there is one...) you MUST leave the key turned!!! (I have had success by turning against the key and wiggling the steering wheel back and forth until the key turns.) The tumbler cylinder has failed and you need to order a VIN keyed tumbler from Rusty, your local stealership, or MB Classic yesterday. Remove the cylinder at anytime after you get it to turn. Turn the lock to position 2 (run position) and insert a paper clip into the small hole on the face of the tumbler. This will allow the black ring to unscrew off the cylinder. Replacement is the same as removal. Here is a tutorial on how to remove the cylinder if you cannot get the key to turn. http://dieselgiant.com/mercedes_diesel_maintenance_tips1%20page%202.htm Hope this helps. Luther Ken Rushing wrote: My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Oh, have we ever!!? Most of us have if we've had a Mercedes long. Here's another re-post of my Oct 07 key/lock ordeal on my 87 124. It's long, but please read all of it or skip directly to using the sander to vibrate the tumblers. Don't give up! First, with the car's VIN, order a new lock cylinder from Rusty; or a dealer; 'comes with new key. If you need additional instructions for the 126 cylinder RR, I may be able to fax 'em from my manual. I think it's slightly different from 124. Again, don't give up! Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: 124 tumbler close call! Early morning several days ago, I drove my now nearly showroom 87 300D a few blocks to dental appt. 'Parked at curb out front. About 45 min. later back to car. Key would not go all the way in! (Only prob. I've had with it before was coupla times with wheels sitting on a bump or pavement ridge, etc., causing lock to bind, which I noticed immediately and moved steering wheel slightly to turn key. I also noticed when I got the car 3 yrs. ago that the front face of the tumbler seemed loose - I could move the face of the tumbler around easily.) In front of dentist's office, I jiggled and pushed on the key furiously while yanking on steering wheel. After about 10 min., got key fully inserted; spent another 20 min or so jiggling key and wheel with no success to turn key. ''Called AAA for tow. Hour later tow driver called while looking for me on wrong street. 10 min. later tow arrived - but it was not a TOW truck, it was haul-back. Meanwhile, I had spent time waiting for tow jiggling steering wheel and key with no success. Tow driver backed up to front of car. I told driver key wont turn, steering locked. Also told him not to remove key. He got in the car to try the key and immediately removed it. Of course, it wouldn't go back in. Car too close to curb and slanted too low near curb to get it on truck. Driver spent 45 min trying to get it on truck from front, though I told him early that it may be easier from rear - rear was angled away from curb slightly. Tow driver came to me once (I was sitting nearby with my wife in our other car.) to ask if he could free the locked steering by disconnecting battery. I tried to tell him battery has nothing to do with it - strictly mechanical between key and steering collumn. Tow driver finally moved his truck to rear of the car and got it aboard. I drove our 350SDL the several blocks to our home as the tow driver followed. I pulled in the yard and pointed to the spot to drop the car. I had brought him to the driveway in a direction that would allow backing into the yard without significantly brushing trees against the car. The tow driver screwed that up, though, and managed to drag the right side of the car WAY up into a large crepe myrtle tree 4 TIMES before finally getting in the yard. Rcvd new tumber yesterday via Rusty. While waiting for tumbler, I tried key and wheel jiggling many times with no success in getting it to turn; tried 4 different keys, including the new one. Just getting a key to fully insert each time was quite a job. I had almost consoled myself to the prospect of calling stealer 70 mi. away for tow and $700 to $800 cutting/grinding tumbler and steering lock replacement ordeal, but I don't give up that easily. Today I mounted a key on the triangular removable sanding base of a Bosch detail sander to be used as an automatic jiggler/vibrator. Had to mount it a second time using a 2 inch by 1/2 inch metal bar to extend reach - sander jammed against upper corner of center console without extension. With a key mounted on the sander base extension, I had to shove, bang, jiggle, etc., again to fully insert the key. Finally, though, the key was fully inserted, and I turned the sander on. As the sander hummed and the key fibrated, I applied back and forth twisting force to the sander. THE KEY TURNED after only about 15 seconds! I was ready to do it for an hour! I removed the sander from the key while being careful not to let the key return to OFF position. Also disconnected battery to shutdown accessories while fiddling with switch. With key in #1 position, I inserted release tool I made today from white coat hanger (had to scrape paint off to make it fit slot perfectly). Then I tried to unscrew colar/cover around tumbler as directed in SOME 124 tumbler removal instructions, but needle nose pliers won't grip it; needle nose vise grips won't grip it, and it certainly will NOT TURN on MY 124. After few min. of not being able to grip the collar or cylinder that supposedly would unscrew, I tugged on the key. The tumbler, protective cylinder - all of it slipped right out with gentle tug of the key! I quickly removed the tumbler from its protective cylinder, put the new tumbler in the cylinder and slipped it all
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
I don't think Rusty does that anymore. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: First, with the car's VIN, order a new lock cylinder from Rusty ... -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
The problem is the tumbler is worn out. If you would have ordered a new one from Rusty and changed it out while you could still turn the key, it would have been a easy 5 min job. Since you cant turn it, you are talking major cutting and drilling to get it out. Might try getting it to turn one last time then dont remove the key till you get a new tumbler. Ken Rushing wrote: My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:53 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
If you do get it to turn again, just remove it and start the thing with a screw driver till you get the new one in. Luther wrote: Next time you get the key to turn (if there is one...) you MUST leave the key turned!!! (I have had success by turning against the key and wiggling the steering wheel back and forth until the key turns.) The tumbler cylinder has failed and you need to order a VIN keyed tumbler from Rusty, your local stealership, or MB Classic yesterday. Remove the cylinder at anytime after you get it to turn. Turn the lock to position 2 (run position) and insert a paper clip into the small hole on the face of the tumbler. This will allow the black ring to unscrew off the cylinder. Replacement is the same as removal. Here is a tutorial on how to remove the cylinder if you cannot get the key to turn. http://dieselgiant.com/mercedes_diesel_maintenance_tips1%20page%202.htm Hope this helps. Luther Ken Rushing wrote: My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:53 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He orders for ya from a dealer in FL. Dealer sends it directly to ya. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn I don't think Rusty does that anymore. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: First, with the car's VIN, order a new lock cylinder from Rusty ... -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
Don't forget to try to turn it while YANKING back and forth on steering wheel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
Ken, This is very likely the interlock mechanism not the tumbler. And if it is the interlock then the ignition switch pod has to be replaced. Mercedes sells a replacement pod. You saw off the old one attach the new one in its place with the supplied clamp screws. It's not a small job. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Rushing Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:10 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
And cheaper than the dealer -- plus a kiss on the cheek from Rusty and a pat on the butt from Gary. (Not a nice mental image.) On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: He orders for ya from a dealer in FL. Dealer sends it directly to ya. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn I don't think Rusty does that anymore. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: First, with the car's VIN, order a new lock cylinder from Rusty ... -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
And, have heard of a few success stories by raising the front wheels off the pavement, reducing the pressure on the lock. Worth a try vs. a 400.00 cut job! On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget to try to turn it while YANKING back and forth on steering wheel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn
I've heard of $700 or $800 cut jobs! Wilton - Original Message - From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn And, have heard of a few success stories by raising the front wheels off the pavement, reducing the pressure on the lock. Worth a try vs. a 400.00 cut job! On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget to try to turn it while YANKING back and forth on steering wheel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] MBZ Ignition Key will not turn My son has a 87 420 SEL and today he couldn't get the ignition key to turn in the ignition switch. We have two keys and both will not turn in the switch (as if it's the wrong key). He said this has been a gradual problem. It does turn slightly in the switch - but not enough to reach the first indentation. I'm hoping it is a key problem and not a switch problem - easier to order some new keys. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
Eeeew. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn And cheaper than the dealer -- plus a kiss on the cheek from Rusty and a pat on the butt from Gary. (Not a nice mental image.) On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: He orders for ya from a dealer in FL. Dealer sends it directly to ya. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn I don't think Rusty does that anymore. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: First, with the car's VIN, order a new lock cylinder from Rusty ... -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
