Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Diesels always confused the valets. Pull glow on Gump was a conundrum for a few shops. That was a good way to winnow the shops to avoid clay On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > Not as good as the w110 two stage pull switch for glow-start. That even had > the dealer guys stumped in Arlington one time. > On Jan 5, 2016 5:13 PM, "clay via Mercedes" wrote: > >> Yeah, the rod is just as good for go control. The need for better aim to >> hit is is a pain. It would be a reasonable theft deterrent as lack of go >> pedal would confuse robbers. >> >> >> On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:12 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> Karl sez: Mine came out of the floor also; 85 wagon. Completely rustred >> out. Kind of interesting, as there is little rust elsewhere. I guess the pedal hinge sits in a recess and water/snow from shoes runs down the pedal and rots >> it out. It has all sorts of tar stuff on the floor. Could be tough to weld >> without getting pretty smoky. I jammed the rusty hinge fragment back into the depression, put the mat back down, and declared victory. Works about as well as it ever did. Can I have an Amen? Maybe I'll find a replacement and see if I can tack it down somehow, but getting a weld on it is going to involve some media blasting I think. >> Maybe when I pull everything for new carpet install. K On Jan 4, 2016 4:17 PM, "clay via Mercedes" >> wrote: > Go fast pedal fell off Froggy, as I mentioned last week. >>> >>> When the pedal came loose on 110s, I took the pedal off the rod, and >> used the rod directly as the accelerator pedal. >>> >>> This worked well, since the pedal IMHO sat about 2" too far back based >> on the position of the other controls in the 110 body >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Pop rivets can solve a lot of knotty car repairs: replacing bearings in radiator cooling fans, replacing rusted out floor pans with two layers of aluminum roofing valley, and several other fixes I've forgotten. A professional pop rivet tool ($30-40) and a wide assortment of pop rivets, are very good shop investments. Gerry ~~ OK Don wrote: > Pop rivets are your friend . . . . > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:52 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Mine came out of the floor also; 85 wagon. Completely rustred out. Kind of > > interesting, as there is little rust elsewhere. I guess the pedal hinge > > sits in a recess and water/snow from shoes runs down the pedal and rots it > > out. > > > > It has all sorts of tar stuff on the floor. Could be tough to weld without > > getting pretty smoky. I jammed the rusty hinge fragment back into the > > depression, put the mat back down, and declared victory. Works about as > > well as it ever did. Can I have an Amen? > > > > Maybe I'll find a replacement and see if I can tack it down somehow, but > > getting a weld on it is going to involve some media blasting I think. Maybe > > when I pull everything for new carpet install. > > > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4489/11335 - Release Date: 01/06/16 -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Not as good as the w110 two stage pull switch for glow-start. That even had the dealer guys stumped in Arlington one time. On Jan 5, 2016 5:13 PM, "clay via Mercedes" wrote: > Yeah, the rod is just as good for go control. The need for better aim to > hit is is a pain. It would be a reasonable theft deterrent as lack of go > pedal would confuse robbers. > > > On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:12 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: > > >> Karl sez: Mine came out of the floor also; 85 wagon. Completely rustred > out. Kind of > >> interesting, as there is little rust elsewhere. I guess the pedal hinge > >> sits in a recess and water/snow from shoes runs down the pedal and rots > it > >> out. > >> > >> It has all sorts of tar stuff on the floor. Could be tough to weld > without > >> getting pretty smoky. I jammed the rusty hinge fragment back into the > >> depression, put the mat back down, and declared victory. Works about as > >> well as it ever did. Can I have an Amen? > >> > >> Maybe I'll find a replacement and see if I can tack it down somehow, but > >> getting a weld on it is going to involve some media blasting I think. > Maybe > >> when I pull everything for new carpet install. > >> > >> K > >> On Jan 4, 2016 4:17 PM, "clay via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> > >> > Go fast pedal fell off Froggy, as I mentioned last week. > > > > When the pedal came loose on 110s, I took the pedal off the rod, and > used the rod directly as the accelerator pedal. > > > > This worked well, since the pedal IMHO sat about 2" too far back based > on the position of the other controls in the 110 body > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Pop rivets are your friend . . . . On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:52 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Mine came out of the floor also; 85 wagon. Completely rustred out. Kind of > interesting, as there is little rust elsewhere. I guess the pedal hinge > sits in a recess and water/snow from shoes runs down the pedal and rots it > out. > > It has all sorts of tar stuff on the floor. Could be tough to weld without > getting pretty smoky. I jammed the rusty hinge fragment back into the > depression, put the mat back down, and declared victory. Works about as > well as it ever did. Can I have an Amen? > > Maybe I'll find a replacement and see if I can tack it down somehow, but > getting a weld on it is going to involve some media blasting I think. Maybe > when I pull everything for new carpet install. > > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Yeah, the rod is just as good for go control. The need for better aim to hit is is a pain. It would be a reasonable theft deterrent as lack of go pedal would confuse robbers. On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:12 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> Karl sez: Mine came out of the floor also; 85 wagon. Completely rustred out. >> Kind of >> interesting, as there is little rust elsewhere. I guess the pedal hinge >> sits in a recess and water/snow from shoes runs down the pedal and rots it >> out. >> >> It has all sorts of tar stuff on the floor. Could be tough to weld without >> getting pretty smoky. I jammed the rusty hinge fragment back into the >> depression, put the mat back down, and declared victory. Works about as >> well as it ever did. Can I have an Amen? >> >> Maybe I'll find a replacement and see if I can tack it down somehow, but >> getting a weld on it is going to involve some media blasting I think. Maybe >> when I pull everything for new carpet install. >> >> K >> On Jan 4, 2016 4:17 PM, "clay via Mercedes" wrote: >> >> > Go fast pedal fell off Froggy, as I mentioned last week. > > When the pedal came loose on 110s, I took the pedal off the rod, and used the > rod directly as the accelerator pedal. > > This worked well, since the pedal IMHO sat about 2" too far back based on the > position of the other controls in the 110 body > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Aghast petal? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
andrew sez: You mean pettle? Or petal? no, peddle. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Its not the break peddle its the gas petal --R On 1/5/16 4:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: You mean pettle? Or petal? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: '58 - '66 ??? That looks exactly like the pedal assembly in my two '51 VWs. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wired/wired_07_00/wired_07_00.htm Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Dan wrote: Reminds me of the "roller" pedal the old VW Beetles had. Pretty innovative if you ask me. Find a picture... please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
You mean pettle? Or petal? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > '58 - '66 ??? That looks exactly like the pedal assembly in my two '51 > VWs. > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wired/wired_07_00/wired_07_00.htm > > > > Dan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On Jan 5, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dan wrote: > > >> Reminds me of the "roller" pedal the old VW Beetles had. Pretty > > innovative if you ask me. > > > > > > Find a picture... please. > > > mao > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
'58 - '66 ??? That looks exactly like the pedal assembly in my two '51 VWs. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wired/wired_07_00/wired_07_00.htm > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 5, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Dan wrote: > >> Reminds me of the "roller" pedal the old VW Beetles had. Pretty > innovative if you ask me. > > > > Find a picture... please. > > mao > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wired/wired_07_00/wired_07_00.htm Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 5, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dan wrote: >> Reminds me of the "roller" pedal the old VW Beetles had. Pretty innovative >> if you ask me. > > Find a picture... please. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Dan wrote: > Reminds me of the "roller" pedal the old VW Beetles had. Pretty innovative if > you ask me. Find a picture... please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Reminds me of the "roller" pedal the old VW Beetles had. Pretty innovative if you ask me. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> When the pedal came loose on 110s, I took the pedal off the rod, and used >> the rod directly as the accelerator pedal. > > This worked well, since the pedal IMHO sat about 2" too far back based on the > position of the other controls in the 110 body > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Karl sez: Mine came out of the floor also; 85 wagon. Completely rustred out. Kind of interesting, as there is little rust elsewhere. I guess the pedal hinge sits in a recess and water/snow from shoes runs down the pedal and rots it out. It has all sorts of tar stuff on the floor. Could be tough to weld without getting pretty smoky. I jammed the rusty hinge fragment back into the depression, put the mat back down, and declared victory. Works about as well as it ever did. Can I have an Amen? Maybe I'll find a replacement and see if I can tack it down somehow, but getting a weld on it is going to involve some media blasting I think. Maybe when I pull everything for new carpet install. K On Jan 4, 2016 4:17 PM, "clay via Mercedes" wrote: > Go fast pedal fell off Froggy, as I mentioned last week. When the pedal came loose on 110s, I took the pedal off the rod, and used the rod directly as the accelerator pedal. This worked well, since the pedal IMHO sat about 2" too far back based on the position of the other controls in the 110 body ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It fell off
Mine came out of the floor also; 85 wagon. Completely rustred out. Kind of interesting, as there is little rust elsewhere. I guess the pedal hinge sits in a recess and water/snow from shoes runs down the pedal and rots it out. It has all sorts of tar stuff on the floor. Could be tough to weld without getting pretty smoky. I jammed the rusty hinge fragment back into the depression, put the mat back down, and declared victory. Works about as well as it ever did. Can I have an Amen? Maybe I'll find a replacement and see if I can tack it down somehow, but getting a weld on it is going to involve some media blasting I think. Maybe when I pull everything for new carpet install. K On Jan 4, 2016 4:17 PM, "clay via Mercedes" wrote: > Go fast pedal fell off Froggy, as I mentioned last week. Airmatic pooped > out on the W220. Fresh pump went in at the indy, but same errors, so off > to the dealer for diagnosis, which came back as failed sensor on passenger > side and rear. Stealership will give me 10% MBCA discount and do work > Wednesday. > > Go fast pedal issue on Froggy went to the indy to see if he was able to > fix, as I had been warned not to mess with the car by myself, because he > was no longer going to defornicate my "repairs". Turned out indy was not > able to effectuate repairs due to rusting off of metal tongue that holds > the base of the pedal to the floor. I was advised to contact a body shop > to have repair to rusty floor area done. I know a good shop, just > expensive, and the job is a bit small for them. > > I got Froggy back home, out of the rain, and took a bigger look at the > pedal and floor. I cut some nice steel to make a flange and base L. The > go pedal had failed historically, based on the set of screws holding the > metal tab in the base of the pedal, instead of there being a plastic plug. > This will make installation hard, but I can machine out a spot in the new > base. Guess I will need to visit PnP to get a new clip/retainer/plug. > > I pulled up the carpet and sound proofing to get a better look at the > flooring. Some prior work was done. Looks like another person had faked > up a pedal base and attached it in place of the original. That bit of > metal is what rusted away. There is a sandwich of metal I now need to > figure out if I chisel it off and clean up the flooring, or just weld my > solution on top. My POR 15 job on the floor is holding up well, with > minimal rust coming through. I was pretty sure I had taken that down to > metal when I painted the product on. Guess not as much as I had thought. > Ice pick will come out to probe the depth of that problem. No rust > through from the underside. May be that the undercoating it holding the > floor together? > > At the moment I am baking the metal L base/flange after giving it some > rust proof paint, then a good base primer, and a few coats of 040 black to > protect the thing from rust. That should do well enough to out survive > me. Shoe goo will no doubt hold the whole thing to the floor. Though I > could rivet it, just for belt and suspenders. > > > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] It fell off
Go fast pedal fell off Froggy, as I mentioned last week. Airmatic pooped out on the W220. Fresh pump went in at the indy, but same errors, so off to the dealer for diagnosis, which came back as failed sensor on passenger side and rear. Stealership will give me 10% MBCA discount and do work Wednesday. Go fast pedal issue on Froggy went to the indy to see if he was able to fix, as I had been warned not to mess with the car by myself, because he was no longer going to defornicate my "repairs". Turned out indy was not able to effectuate repairs due to rusting off of metal tongue that holds the base of the pedal to the floor. I was advised to contact a body shop to have repair to rusty floor area done. I know a good shop, just expensive, and the job is a bit small for them. I got Froggy back home, out of the rain, and took a bigger look at the pedal and floor. I cut some nice steel to make a flange and base L. The go pedal had failed historically, based on the set of screws holding the metal tab in the base of the pedal, instead of there being a plastic plug. This will make installation hard, but I can machine out a spot in the new base. Guess I will need to visit PnP to get a new clip/retainer/plug. I pulled up the carpet and sound proofing to get a better look at the flooring. Some prior work was done. Looks like another person had faked up a pedal base and attached it in place of the original. That bit of metal is what rusted away. There is a sandwich of metal I now need to figure out if I chisel it off and clean up the flooring, or just weld my solution on top. My POR 15 job on the floor is holding up well, with minimal rust coming through. I was pretty sure I had taken that down to metal when I painted the product on. Guess not as much as I had thought. Ice pick will come out to probe the depth of that problem. No rust through from the underside. May be that the undercoating it holding the floor together? At the moment I am baking the metal L base/flange after giving it some rust proof paint, then a good base primer, and a few coats of 040 black to protect the thing from rust. That should do well enough to out survive me. Shoe goo will no doubt hold the whole thing to the floor. Though I could rivet it, just for belt and suspenders. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
Don't bother with the pictures, as I'll just look at mine tonight. I'll see if there is anything I might need then, too, and let you know. It's running well, so I'm not sure what, if anything, I might need. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad > On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Craig wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:23:48 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> My thoughts exactly, as I don't think there is enough room to get the >> tool behind the pulley. > > There is not enough room. > > Would you like me to send my M129 pictures to you offlist? > > How about the ignition parts I have for the M129? > Where should I send those? > Anything else you need from our M129? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:23:48 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: > My thoughts exactly, as I don't think there is enough room to get the > tool behind the pulley. There is not enough room. Would you like me to send my M129 pictures to you offlist? How about the ignition parts I have for the M129? Where should I send those? Anything else you need from our M129? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you read the description, you will note they refer to "deep forged pulleys". I assume they mean you to do the holding from the front rather than get the tool behind the pulley. Randy On 12/12/2013 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My thoughts exactly, as I don't think there is enough room to get the tool behind the pulley. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:50:46 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: Cool. Thanks! The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? Dan On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html But will that really work? It's designed to clamp between the inside and outside of a pulley where the inside is offset from the mounting surface and accessable so the tool can be clamped on. From my pictures of the M129, the fan pulley is indeed shaped that way, but the pulley is situated so the tool would have to be installed from the rear of the pulley -- and there is no room there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My thoughts exactly, as I don't think there is enough room to get the tool behind the pulley. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Craig wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:50:46 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> Cool. Thanks! >> >> The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to >> spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? >> >> Dan >> >>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" >>> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html > > But will that really work? It's designed to clamp between the inside and > outside of a pulley where the inside is offset from the mounting surface > and accessable so the tool can be clamped on. From my pictures of the > M129, the fan pulley is indeed shaped that way, but the pulley is > situated so the tool would have to be installed from the rear of the > pulley -- and there is no room there. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:50:46 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: > Cool. Thanks! > > The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to > spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? > > Dan > > > On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" > > wrote: > > > > http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html But will that really work? It's designed to clamp between the inside and outside of a pulley where the inside is offset from the mounting surface and accessable so the tool can be clamped on. From my pictures of the M129, the fan pulley is indeed shaped that way, but the pulley is situated so the tool would have to be installed from the rear of the pulley -- and there is no room there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have used it on all manner of engines that call for that tool. It works great. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > There is an MB tool that does essentially the same thing, but it's a little > more purpose-built as opposed to the HF generic tool. > > I can find a link to it when I get home. > > I question whether the HF tool can get behind the pulley on my W140, which > could be an issue. I haven't looked at the pulley in a while, so I'll have > to check it out tonight when I get home. > > Dan > >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: >> >> >> 2nd question - is there a different sort of tool that Dan was thinking about >> initially? >> >> Randy >> >>> On 12/12/2013 10:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>> Quite true. >>> >>> I was thinking about it in context relative to my application. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> IOn Dec 12, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" wrote: Well, you can clamp it to a pulley and spin the crankshaft, for example. -MMM- > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > Cool. Thanks! > > The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin > as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? > > Dan > >>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" >> wrote: >> http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It has a nut on the back, you adjust it to how wide you need it then tighten it down. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: > > Ok, looking at the HF tool, does the round piece just slide loose in the slot? > > Randy > >> On 12/12/2013 10:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> Quite true. >> >> I was thinking about it in context relative to my application. >> >> Dan >> >> >>> IOn Dec 12, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, you can clamp it to a pulley and spin the crankshaft, for example. >>> >>> -MMM- >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Cool. Thanks! The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? Dan >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" > wrote: > http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gotcha. I have an M103 in the stable, so I do understand what you're describing now. Sorry for the confusion. Dan > On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Craig wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:28:32 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the >> tool that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt >> to turn (loosen) the fan bolt. > > I was not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt, either. On our > M104, I used an Allen wrench to hold the fan pulley so I could loosen and > tighten the fan bolt. > > >> It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. It >> effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and >> affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt >> holding the fan in place. > > The M104 has a hole in the flange to which the thermostatic clutch > mounts and a couple of ribs molded on the piece that holds the fan > bearing so that engaging the Allen wrench in the hole blocks the fan > from turning so the bolt that holds the fan on can be tightened or > loosened. > > Obviously the M129 does it differently. I forgot I had to take the fan > off ours when I did the power steering pump four years ago. I do recall > now what the tool looks like. I did not use one. I used an old serpentine > belt. I wrapped the belt around the fan shieve and clamped it with a pair > of vise-grips. That allowed the vice-grips to bump into something and keep > the shieve from rotating so I could get the bolt out. Not the slick way > the factory tool works, but effective anyway. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is an MB tool that does essentially the same thing, but it's a little more purpose-built as opposed to the HF generic tool. I can find a link to it when I get home. I question whether the HF tool can get behind the pulley on my W140, which could be an issue. I haven't looked at the pulley in a while, so I'll have to check it out tonight when I get home. Dan > On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: > > > 2nd question - is there a different sort of tool that Dan was thinking about > initially? > > Randy > >> On 12/12/2013 10:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> Quite true. >> >> I was thinking about it in context relative to my application. >> >> Dan >> >> >>> IOn Dec 12, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, you can clamp it to a pulley and spin the crankshaft, for example. >>> >>> -MMM- >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Cool. Thanks! The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? Dan > On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:28:32 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: > I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the > tool that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt > to turn (loosen) the fan bolt. I was not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt, either. On our M104, I used an Allen wrench to hold the fan pulley so I could loosen and tighten the fan bolt. > It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. It > effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and > affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt > holding the fan in place. The M104 has a hole in the flange to which the thermostatic clutch mounts and a couple of ribs molded on the piece that holds the fan bearing so that engaging the Allen wrench in the hole blocks the fan from turning so the bolt that holds the fan on can be tightened or loosened. Obviously the M129 does it differently. I forgot I had to take the fan off ours when I did the power steering pump four years ago. I do recall now what the tool looks like. I did not use one. I used an old serpentine belt. I wrapped the belt around the fan shieve and clamped it with a pair of vise-grips. That allowed the vice-grips to bump into something and keep the shieve from rotating so I could get the bolt out. Not the slick way the factory tool works, but effective anyway. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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2nd question - is there a different sort of tool that Dan was thinking about initially? Randy On 12/12/2013 10:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Quite true. I was thinking about it in context relative to my application. Dan IOn Dec 12, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" wrote: Well, you can clamp it to a pulley and spin the crankshaft, for example. -MMM- On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Cool. Thanks! The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? Dan On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok, looking at the HF tool, does the round piece just slide loose in the slot? Randy On 12/12/2013 10:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Quite true. I was thinking about it in context relative to my application. Dan IOn Dec 12, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" wrote: Well, you can clamp it to a pulley and spin the crankshaft, for example. -MMM- On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Cool. Thanks! The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? Dan On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Quite true. I was thinking about it in context relative to my application. Dan > IOn Dec 12, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" > wrote: > > Well, you can clamp it to a pulley and spin the crankshaft, for example. > > -MMM- > > >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> Cool. Thanks! >> >> The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin >> as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? >> >> Dan >> >>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" >> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html >>> >>> On 12/12/2013 9:07 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Link? Part number? I have a HF store not five minutes from my house. > On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" >> wrote: > > They sell them at HF for about $10 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the >> tool that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt to >> turn (loosen) the fan bolt. >> >> It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. >> It effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and >> affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt >> holding the fan in place. >> >> Dan >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff >> wrote: If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me >> know. I would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. >>> I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the >> best, >>> but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make >> the >>> proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the >> allen >>> wrench (6 mm IIRC). >>> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6912 - Release Date: >> 12/11/13 >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, you can clamp it to a pulley and spin the crankshaft, for example. -MMM- On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Cool. Thanks! > > The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin > as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? > > Dan > > > On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" > wrote: > > > > http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html > > > > > >> On 12/12/2013 9:07 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > >> Link? Part number? > >> > >> I have a HF store not five minutes from my house. > >> > >>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" > wrote: > >>> > >>> They sell them at HF for about $10 > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the > tool that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt to > turn (loosen) the fan bolt. > > It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. > It effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and > affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt > holding the fan in place. > > Dan > > >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Craig wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff > wrote: > >> > >> If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to > >> hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me > know. I > >> would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. > > I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the > best, > > but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make > the > > proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the > allen > > wrench (6 mm IIRC). > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >> - > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6912 - Release Date: > 12/11/13 > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cool. Thanks! The name is sort of weird. Seems like you wouldn't want the pulley to spin as opposed to a "pulley spinning tool"? Dan > On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html > > >> On 12/12/2013 9:07 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> Link? Part number? >> >> I have a HF store not five minutes from my house. >> >>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: >>> >>> They sell them at HF for about $10 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the tool that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt to turn (loosen) the fan bolt. It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. It effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt holding the fan in place. Dan >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Craig wrote: >> >> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to >> hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me know. I >> would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. > I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the best, > but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make the > proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the allen > wrench (6 mm IIRC). > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6912 - Release Date: 12/11/13 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
http://www.harborfreight.com/pulley-spinning-tool-66385.html On 12/12/2013 9:07 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Link? Part number? I have a HF store not five minutes from my house. On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: They sell them at HF for about $10 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the tool that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt to turn (loosen) the fan bolt. It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. It effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt holding the fan in place. Dan On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me know. I would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the best, but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make the proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the allen wrench (6 mm IIRC). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6912 - Release Date: 12/11/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
Link? Part number? I have a HF store not five minutes from my house. > On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > > They sell them at HF for about $10 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the tool >> that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt to turn >> (loosen) the fan bolt. >> >> It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. It >> effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and >> affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt >> holding the fan in place. >> >> Dan >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me know. I would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. >>> >>> I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the best, >>> but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make the >>> proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the allen >>> wrench (6 mm IIRC). >>> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
They sell them at HF for about $10 Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the tool that > you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt to turn (loosen) > the fan bolt. > > It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. It > effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and > affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt holding > the fan in place. > > Dan > >>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Craig wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: >>> >>> If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to >>> hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me know. I >>> would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. >> >> I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the best, >> but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make the >> proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the allen >> wrench (6 mm IIRC). >> >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
I'm not talking about the Allen wrench for the fan bolt. I need the tool that you use to hold the fan pulley from moving when you attempt to turn (loosen) the fan bolt. It's got a long handle on it with a crescent shaped piece of metal. It effectively "grips" the belt and fan pulley, holding them tightly and affording leverage against the torque needed to loosen the Allen bolt holding the fan in place. Dan > On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Craig wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to >> hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me know. I >> would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. > > I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the best, > but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make the > proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the allen > wrench (6 mm IIRC). > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: > If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to > hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me know. I > would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. I used an allen wrench on my '95 E320 (with M104 engine). Not the best, but it worked. I had some large gauge steel wire and tried to make the proper tool with that but had little success, so I went back to the allen wrench (6 mm IIRC). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:41:49 -0600 Peter Frederick wrote: > On the M103 there is just a bearing for the fan, the water pump is > separate ... Same for the M104. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
Education isn't cheap. In 1979, I bought #3 stepdaughter a used Celica when she moved to a nearby town. Several months later I asked if she was changing the oil on schedule. She said she didn't need to change the oil, she just added when it got low!! You can imagine my reply but you can't push on a rope. Shortly thereafter I got a call that the car was making funny noises and there was oil everywhere under the hood. When I tore down the engine, it #2 and #3 cylinders looked like they were run with sand (lots of sand) in them. Having no money at the time (I was in the USAF then) I rebuilt the motor at home except for the machine-shop work. One good thing about California building practices back then was there was always a big beam in the middle of the garage: great for pulling engines. In 2010, #1 grandson informed his mom that his oil light was on, and then he promptly did nothing about it. After the engine locked up his parents ended up selling the car, not running. Doubt they got much for it. I'm beginning to think that side of the family is a little brain dead when it comes to things mechanical. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] It Fell off! So, #1 boy has been driving his w140 for the past five weeks with a growing noise under the hood. Started small and around Thanksgiving it got to the point he mentioned it. I took a look and it sounded like the fan clutch was going. He kept driving it. It got louder. I told him to have the indy make sure it was the fan. Shop monkey confirmed it was the fan and it should be dealt with. That was Monday. Last night #1 boy calls and says the car made it to work, but there was all sorts of steam and smoke coming from the hood area. Hissing and noises, but the fan noise quit. Alternator light was glowing, steering was odd. First lesson of car ownership. A noise will not just go away, it will get bigger and lead to failure. Now I have to take him to the PnP to source fresh parts. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
ATTABOY, Randy! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] It Fell off! On 11/12/2013 4:56 PM, clay wrote: So, #1 boy has been driving his w140 for the past five weeks with a growing noise under the hood. Started small and around Thanksgiving it got to the point he mentioned it. I took a look and it sounded like the fan clutch was going. He kept driving it. It got louder. I told him to have the indy make sure it was the fan. Shop monkey confirmed it was the fan and it should be dealt with. That was Monday. Last night #1 boy calls and says the car made it to work, but there was all sorts of steam and smoke coming from the hood area. Hissing and noises, but the fan noise quit. Alternator light was glowing, steering was odd. First lesson of car ownership. A noise will not just go away, it will get bigger and lead to failure. Now I have to take him to the PnP to source fresh parts. clay Sometimes it is difficult to tell what is making a noise and if one waits long enough, it will become more obvious. I had that with a 1986 Taurus. It would periodically make a growl but I could not pinpoint what it was. It finally told me what it was when I was a couple of hundred miles from home. - Water pump got bad enough that I was leaving a cloud behind me. I had no tools with me but went and bought some and changed it in the motel parking lot. Good thing the motel was next door to a Target as I kept sending my good wife over for more bits and pieces, like a screwdriver, paper towel, hand cleaner etc. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
If you find a fan removal tool (the one with the long handle used to hold the fan pulley while you unscrew the through bolt) let me know. I would kick in some $$ to be able to borrow it. I want to swap my fan clutch but I haven't been able to break the through bolt loose. I need to find one of these tools so I can... Dan Sent from my iPad > On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:56 PM, clay wrote: > > So, #1 boy has been driving his w140 for the past five weeks with a growing > noise under the hood. Started small and around Thanksgiving it got to the > point he mentioned it. I took a look and it sounded like the fan clutch was > going. > > He kept driving it. It got louder. I told him to have the indy make sure it > was the fan. Shop monkey confirmed it was the fan and it should be dealt > with. That was Monday. Last night #1 boy calls and says the car made it to > work, but there was all sorts of steam and smoke coming from the hood area. > Hissing and noises, but the fan noise quit. Alternator light was glowing, > steering was odd. > > First lesson of car ownership. A noise will not just go away, it will get > bigger and lead to failure. > > Now I have to take him to the PnP to source fresh parts. > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
Radiator, belt, probably a fan clutch, and the water pump or bearing, depending on which one failed. On the M103 there is just a bearing for the fan, the water pump is separate, but on all the V engines the fan sits on the water pump. I've had one make funny ticking noises on braking until the broken shaft finally walked out of the bearing, sent the fan and clutch right through the radiator on a sub zero night. Not fun to fix outside! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It Fell off!
On 11/12/2013 4:56 PM, clay wrote: So, #1 boy has been driving his w140 for the past five weeks with a growing noise under the hood. Started small and around Thanksgiving it got to the point he mentioned it. I took a look and it sounded like the fan clutch was going. He kept driving it. It got louder. I told him to have the indy make sure it was the fan. Shop monkey confirmed it was the fan and it should be dealt with. That was Monday. Last night #1 boy calls and says the car made it to work, but there was all sorts of steam and smoke coming from the hood area. Hissing and noises, but the fan noise quit. Alternator light was glowing, steering was odd. First lesson of car ownership. A noise will not just go away, it will get bigger and lead to failure. Now I have to take him to the PnP to source fresh parts. clay Sometimes it is difficult to tell what is making a noise and if one waits long enough, it will become more obvious. I had that with a 1986 Taurus. It would periodically make a growl but I could not pinpoint what it was. It finally told me what it was when I was a couple of hundred miles from home. - Water pump got bad enough that I was leaving a cloud behind me. I had no tools with me but went and bought some and changed it in the motel parking lot. Good thing the motel was next door to a Target as I kept sending my good wife over for more bits and pieces, like a screwdriver, paper towel, hand cleaner etc. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] It Fell off!
So, #1 boy has been driving his w140 for the past five weeks with a growing noise under the hood. Started small and around Thanksgiving it got to the point he mentioned it. I took a look and it sounded like the fan clutch was going. He kept driving it. It got louder. I told him to have the indy make sure it was the fan. Shop monkey confirmed it was the fan and it should be dealt with. That was Monday. Last night #1 boy calls and says the car made it to work, but there was all sorts of steam and smoke coming from the hood area. Hissing and noises, but the fan noise quit. Alternator light was glowing, steering was odd. First lesson of car ownership. A noise will not just go away, it will get bigger and lead to failure. Now I have to take him to the PnP to source fresh parts. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
