Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
“Tire irons at ten paces!” -D > On May 30, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Lawyers will be useless except as unskilled labor but will probably need a > lot of supervision even on simple tasks > > Any disputes will be handled in more direct ways > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On May 30, 2023, at 2:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Donald Snook and Randy. >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: May 30, 2023 1:22 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >> >> Do we have any lawyers? >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> >>> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we >>> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> We are a diverse bunch. >>>> >>>> AZBob >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave >>>>>> just >>>>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, >>>>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was >>>>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. >>>>>> >>>>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic >>>>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not >>>>>> the >>>>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump >>>>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if >>>>>> the >>>>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. >>>>>> >>>>>> --FT >>>>>> Sent from iFōn >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody >>>>>> might say something but otherwise no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>> >>
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Lawyers will be useless except as unskilled labor but will probably need a lot of supervision even on simple tasks Any disputes will be handled in more direct ways --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 30, 2023, at 2:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Donald Snook and Randy. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 30, 2023 1:22 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > > Do we have any lawyers? > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we >> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>> >>> We are a diverse bunch. >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just >>>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, >>>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was >>>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. >>>>> >>>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic >>>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the >>>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump >>>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the >>>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. >>>>> >>>>> --FT >>>>> Sent from iFōn >>>>> >>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody >>>>> might say something but otherwise no. >>>>>> >>>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Do we have anyone that can grow weed or cook meth? Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Donald Snook and Randy. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 30, 2023 1:22 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > > Do we have any lawyers? > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we >> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>> >>> We are a diverse bunch. >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just >>>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, >>>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was >>>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. >>>>> >>>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic >>>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the >>>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump >>>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the >>>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. >>>>> >>>>> --FT >>>>> Sent from iFōn >>>>> >>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody >>>>> might say something but otherwise no. >>>>>> >>>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Donald Snook and Randy. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 30, 2023 1:22 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Do we have any lawyers? --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we > should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> We are a diverse bunch. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>> >>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. >>> >>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just >>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, >>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was >>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. >>>> >>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic >>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the >>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump >>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the >>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. >>>> >>>> --FT >>>> Sent from iFōn >>>> >>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody >>>> might say something but otherwise no. >>>>> >>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. >>>>> >>>>> -- Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Do we have any lawyers? --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we > should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> We are a diverse bunch. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. >>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> >> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody might say something but otherwise no. > > If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > We are a diverse bunch. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. >> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just >>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, >>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was >>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. >>> >>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic >>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the >>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump >>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the >>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. >>> >>> --FT >>> Sent from iFōn >>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody >>> might say something but otherwise no. If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Maybe he went there for his post doc in nuclear engineering. On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:43 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > We are a diverse bunch. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. > > > >> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave > just > >> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, > >> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down > was > >> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. > >> > >> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic > >> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not > the > >> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump > >> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if > the > >> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. > >> > >> --FT > >> Sent from iFōn > >> > >>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > > I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody > >> might say something but otherwise no. > >>> > >>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. > >>> > >>> -- Jim > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
We are a diverse bunch. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. > >> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just >> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, >> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was >> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. >> >> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic >> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the >> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump >> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the >> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> >>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody >> might say something but otherwise no. >>> >>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything. On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just > as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, > that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was > the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. > > At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic > Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the > towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump > lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the > violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > >> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody > might say something but otherwise no. > > > > If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”. About 1/4 mile on down was the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what. --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody might say >> something but otherwise no. > > If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody might say > something but otherwise no. If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are no fences permitted between property boundaries in the front either. Just in back. On Mon, May 29, 2023, 3:52 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Could just be a restriction for the plat or might be a city code. It’s not > uncommon, even with HOAs that I’ve been in usually there is a rule that > says you can’t have a fence in front of the house. > > -D > > On May 29, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that > prevents people from erecting fences in their front years because there are > none. > > On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via > Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and > owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA > member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the > situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the > motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the > community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in > the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the > HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent. > > We’ll see. > > I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put > stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that > there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and > the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the > exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week. > > -D > > > On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > > > When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be > important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, > and then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you > can acquiesce, and they will be happy. > > > > > > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via > Mercedes wrote: > >> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is > >> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the > >> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street > >> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a > >> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the > >> homes are well cared for and in good condition. > >> > >> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will > >> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. > >> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real > >> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an > >> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, > >> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why > >> they would care, but… > >> > >> We’ll see. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some > money. I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to > work or not. > >>> > >>> > >>> Rick > >>> > >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM > >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com<mailto:d...@penoff.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > >>> > >>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park > cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think > they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. > >>> > >>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not > every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself > doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old > section”. They tend to ignore us. > >>> > >>>
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I think it was a Euro/grey market W123 in Linda Blair green. 500SE? I've already forgotten. On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 15:24, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: > Moot point; listing no longer exists. What was it? > > -MMM- > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Moot point; listing no longer exists. What was it? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 2023-05-29 15:54, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Our other house is in a subdivision and it has covenants, but they are not enforceable because we do not have a HOA. If your neighbor violates the deed covenants, you can sue them into compliance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Our other house is in a subdivision and it has covenants, but they are not enforceable because we do not have a HOA. If the majority of the lot owners wanted to form one they could but can’t force owner into it that do not want to be part of it. Now out here at Okie acres, there is nothing regulating anything. I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody might say something but otherwise no. Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 2:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that > prevents people from erecting fences in their front years because there are > none. > >> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and >> owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA >> member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the >> situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the >> motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the >> community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in >> the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the >> HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent. >> >> We’ll see. >> >> I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put >> stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that >> there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and >> the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the >> exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be >> important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, >> and then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you >> can acquiesce, and they will be happy. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is >>>> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the >>>> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street >>>> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a >>>> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the >>>> homes are well cared for and in good condition. >>>> >>>> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will >>>> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. >>>> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real >>>> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an >>>> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, >>>> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why >>>> they would care, but… >>>> >>>> We’ll see. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some >> money. I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to >> work or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM >>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>>> >>>>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park >> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think >> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. >>>>> >>>>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not >> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself >> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old >> section”. They tend to ignore us. >>>>> >&g
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Could just be a restriction for the plat or might be a city code. It’s not uncommon, even with HOAs that I’ve been in usually there is a rule that says you can’t have a fence in front of the house. -D On May 29, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote: Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that prevents people from erecting fences in their front years because there are none. On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent. We’ll see. I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be > important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, and > then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you can > acquiesce, and they will be happy. > > > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via > Mercedes wrote: >> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is >> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the >> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street >> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a >> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the >> homes are well cared for and in good condition. >> >> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will >> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. >> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real >> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an >> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, >> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why >> they would care, but… >> >> We’ll see. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. >>> I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or >>> not. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com<mailto:d...@penoff.com> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>> >>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars >>> out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think >>> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. >>> >>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not >>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself >>> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old >>> section”. They tend to ignore us. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hmm. >>>> Inquiring minds and all... >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okieben
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Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that prevents people from erecting fences in their front years because there are none. On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and > owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA > member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the > situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the > motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the > community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in > the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the > HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent. > > We’ll see. > > I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put > stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that > there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and > the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the > exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week. > > -D > > > On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be > important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, > and then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you > can acquiesce, and they will be happy. > > > > > > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is > >> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the > >> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street > >> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a > >> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the > >> homes are well cared for and in good condition. > >> > >> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will > >> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. > >> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real > >> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an > >> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, > >> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why > >> they would care, but… > >> > >> We’ll see. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some > money. I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to > work or not. > >>> > >>> > >>> Rick > >>> > >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM > >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > >>> > >>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park > cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think > they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. > >>> > >>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not > every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself > doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old > section”. They tend to ignore us. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hmm. > >>>> Inquiring minds and all... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rick > >>>> > >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM > >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > >>>> > >>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of > influence. > >>>> > >>>> -D > >>>> &g
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One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent. We’ll see. I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be > important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, and > then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you can > acquiesce, and they will be happy. > > > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is >> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the >> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street >> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a >> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the >> homes are well cared for and in good condition. >> >> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will >> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. >> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real >> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an >> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, >> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why >> they would care, but… >> >> We’ll see. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. >>> I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or >>> not. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>> >>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars >>> out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think >>> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. >>> >>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not >>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself >>> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old >>> section”. They tend to ignore us. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hmm. >>>> Inquiring minds and all... >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>> >>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> HOA no longer exists? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>>> >>>>> Guess maybe I should start t
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Been there, done that. The HOA is supposed to be having their title agent look as well. No one can find anything. And do understand that they will be coming around on occasion with “special assessments” when they need money. Long term it will be more than just $350/year, I’m betting. For that matter, I had to pay for a survey of our property. Now on the surface that wouldn’t seem like a big deal, right? I mean, everyone gets a survey done when they convey a property to someone else, right? Nope. No survey on record for my lot. Anywhere. Sure, the lot is on the plat filed by the developer with the County. But there’s no individual surveys as a part of that. Lucky for me, a neighbor works for a local survey firm. His lot is surveyed, and he recently surveyed the lot two doors down across the street. That gave him some monuments to work from, and about 90 days and $1300 later, I have a “real” survey of my property, with all of the corners marked and recorded. Of course now that I’ve done my survey, it makes it a lot easier for adjacent property owners to do theirs since me and my neighbor did a lot of the foundational work. Whatever. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 2:31 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2023-05-29 14:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> That is correct as far a we know. There are no de-annexation clauses >> in the CC In other words, once the property is “in”, any future >> owners are, too. No choice. >> From what my research has gleaned so far, we think the first owner >> opted in around the late 80s, early 90s, we’re not sure of an exact >> date. This will be one of the points we may use to try and get out - >> they have no record of the “opting in” by the previous owner. > > Do a title search. > If it's not recorded against your title, I don't see how they have any power > over you. > Just give them their $30 a month if you want, and ignore them otherwise. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, and then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you can acquiesce, and they will be happy. On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is > pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the > know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street > because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a > bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the > homes are well cared for and in good condition. > > My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will > be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. > Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real > easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an > ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, > we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why > they would care, but… > > We’ll see. > > -D > >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. I >> guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or not. >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: d...@penoff.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >> >> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars >> out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think >> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. >> >> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every >> property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t >> pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They >> tend to ignore us. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hmm. >>> Inquiring minds and all... >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>> >>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> HOA no longer exists? >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>> >>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >>>> >>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >>>> >>>> -D >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To sea
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
On 2023-05-29 14:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: That is correct as far a we know. There are no de-annexation clauses in the CC In other words, once the property is “in”, any future owners are, too. No choice. From what my research has gleaned so far, we think the first owner opted in around the late 80s, early 90s, we’re not sure of an exact date. This will be one of the points we may use to try and get out - they have no record of the “opting in” by the previous owner. Do a title search. If it's not recorded against your title, I don't see how they have any power over you. Just give them their $30 a month if you want, and ignore them otherwise. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the homes are well cared for and in good condition. My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why they would care, but… We’ll see. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. I > guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or not. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: d...@penoff.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > > Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars > out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think > they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. > > Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every > property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t > pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They > tend to ignore us. > > -D > >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Hmm. >> Inquiring minds and all... >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: d...@penoff.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >> >> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> HOA no longer exists? >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>> >>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >>> >>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
That is correct as far a we know. There are no de-annexation clauses in the CC In other words, once the property is “in”, any future owners are, too. No choice. From what my research has gleaned so far, we think the first owner opted in around the late 80s, early 90s, we’re not sure of an exact date. This will be one of the points we may use to try and get out - they have no record of the “opting in” by the previous owner. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Am I to assume the PO of your place opted in? Once you opt in you are in and > can’t get back out? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 29, 2023, at 12:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, not quite the situation: >> >> My house/neighborhood was built in the mid-1970s. The country club we’re in >> has been around since the 1960s, I think. HOAs didn’t exist at the time, and >> as the community expanded around the course and bigger/more expensive homes >> were built in the 1980s, an HOA was formed. Because there were a bunch of >> existing homes, they ouldn’t just suddenly demand that everyone has to >> become a member, so for those in the areas that pre-dated the HOA, like >> mine, got to decide if they wanted to join or not. >> >> We’re currently talking to an attorney who has successfully litigated >> against the HOA to see if we can “opt out”, as almost no one in our >> neighborhood is a member. So what’s the point? If one of my neighbors wants >> to park an RV in their front yard, there’s literally nothing I can do about >> it if they’re not an HOA member. >> >> Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? hence our desire to be free of the >> HOA. What also sucks is that as a buyer of one of these properties, if a >> previous owner “opted in” then we have no choice, which sort of defeats the >> purpose of the HOA and is ultimately unfair to us since we have no say. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was >>> voluntary and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like >>> organizing weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the >>> neighborhood, petition the city for better streetlights and park >>> improvements, stuff like that. If someone's property was an eyesore they >>> might request cleanup or even offer to help but they couldn't really do >>> anything unless it was so bad that city code violations were happening. >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park >>>> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t >>>> think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. >>>> >>>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not >>>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA >>>> itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the >>>> “old section”. They tend to ignore us. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hmm. >>>>> Inquiring minds and all... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>>> >>>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of >>>>> influence. >>>>> >>>>> -D >>>>> >>>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> HOA no longer exists? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick >>>>>> >>>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >>>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>>>
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or not. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They tend to ignore us. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hmm. > Inquiring minds and all... > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: d...@penoff.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > > HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. > > -D > >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> HOA no longer exists? >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: d...@penoff.com >> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >> >> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >> >> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Am I to assume the PO of your place opted in? Once you opt in you are in and can’t get back out? Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 12:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah, not quite the situation: > > My house/neighborhood was built in the mid-1970s. The country club we’re in > has been around since the 1960s, I think. HOAs didn’t exist at the time, and > as the community expanded around the course and bigger/more expensive homes > were built in the 1980s, an HOA was formed. Because there were a bunch of > existing homes, they ouldn’t just suddenly demand that everyone has to become > a member, so for those in the areas that pre-dated the HOA, like mine, got to > decide if they wanted to join or not. > > We’re currently talking to an attorney who has successfully litigated against > the HOA to see if we can “opt out”, as almost no one in our neighborhood is a > member. So what’s the point? If one of my neighbors wants to park an RV in > their front yard, there’s literally nothing I can do about it if they’re not > an HOA member. > > Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? hence our desire to be free of the > HOA. What also sucks is that as a buyer of one of these properties, if a > previous owner “opted in” then we have no choice, which sort of defeats the > purpose of the HOA and is ultimately unfair to us since we have no say. > > -D > >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was >> voluntary and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like >> organizing weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the >> neighborhood, petition the city for better streetlights and park >> improvements, stuff like that. If someone's property was an eyesore they >> might request cleanup or even offer to help but they couldn't really do >> anything unless it was so bad that city code violations were happening. >> >> >>> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park >>> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t >>> think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. >>> >>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not >>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA >>> itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the >>> “old section”. They tend to ignore us. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hmm. >>>> Inquiring minds and all... >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>> >>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> HOA no longer exists? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>>> >>>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >>>>> >>>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >>>>> >>>>> -D >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/arch
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Yeah, not quite the situation: My house/neighborhood was built in the mid-1970s. The country club we’re in has been around since the 1960s, I think. HOAs didn’t exist at the time, and as the community expanded around the course and bigger/more expensive homes were built in the 1980s, an HOA was formed. Because there were a bunch of existing homes, they ouldn’t just suddenly demand that everyone has to become a member, so for those in the areas that pre-dated the HOA, like mine, got to decide if they wanted to join or not. We’re currently talking to an attorney who has successfully litigated against the HOA to see if we can “opt out”, as almost no one in our neighborhood is a member. So what’s the point? If one of my neighbors wants to park an RV in their front yard, there’s literally nothing I can do about it if they’re not an HOA member. Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? hence our desire to be free of the HOA. What also sucks is that as a buyer of one of these properties, if a previous owner “opted in” then we have no choice, which sort of defeats the purpose of the HOA and is ultimately unfair to us since we have no say. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was voluntary > and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like organizing > weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the neighborhood, petition > the city for better streetlights and park improvements, stuff like that. If > someone's property was an eyesore they might request cleanup or even offer to > help but they couldn't really do anything unless it was so bad that city code > violations were happening. > > > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park >> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t >> think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. >> >> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not >> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA >> itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the >> “old section”. They tend to ignore us. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hmm. >>> Inquiring minds and all... >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>> >>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> HOA no longer exists? >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>>> >>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >>>> >>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >>>> >>>> -D >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>&g
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Might as well Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Maybe I'll fly out there and steal it out from under you? > > >> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:26, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> It’s definitely interesting, and cheap. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>> >>> If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t >>> been hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain. >>> >>> Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for >>> friends. >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows >>> >>> *From: *Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> *Sent: *Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AM >>> *To: *Mercedes Discussion List <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> *Cc: *Kaleb Striplin <mailto:ka...@striplin.net> >>> *Subject: *Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>> >>> >>> Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it >>> at your place till I can get out there? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >>>> >>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >>>> >>>> -D >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe I'll fly out there and steal it out from under you? On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:26, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > It’s definitely interesting, and cheap. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 29, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t been >> hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain. >> >> Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for >> friends. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows >> >> *From: *Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> *Sent: *Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AM >> *To: *Mercedes Discussion List <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> *Cc: *Kaleb Striplin <mailto:ka...@striplin.net> >> *Subject: *Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >> >> >> Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at >> your place till I can get out there? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >> > >> > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >> > >> > -D >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It’s definitely interesting, and cheap. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 29, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t been hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain. Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for friends. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Kaleb Striplin via MercedesSent: Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListCc: Kaleb StriplinSubject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at your place till I can get out there? Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:> > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?> > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html> > -D> ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was voluntary and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like organizing weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the neighborhood, petition the city for better streetlights and park improvements, stuff like that. If someone's property was an eyesore they might request cleanup or even offer to help but they couldn't really do anything unless it was so bad that city code violations were happening. On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park > cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t > think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. > > Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not > every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA > itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the > “old section”. They tend to ignore us. > > -D > >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Hmm. >> Inquiring minds and all... >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: d...@penoff.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >> >> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> HOA no longer exists? >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com >>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >>> >>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >>> >>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well damn. If you were, I could cruise on out there in the next couple of weeks Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 11:56 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not at present. > > -D > >> On May 29, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at >> your place till I can get out there? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >>> >>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Plus, from what I saw the day the P.O. was chasing me down with a screwdriver, your neighborhood looks very nice. No fodder for HOAs. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: dan penoff.com via MercedesSent: Monday, May 29, 2023 10:21 AMTo: Okie BenzCc: dan penoff.comSubject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They tend to ignore us. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:> > Hmm.> Inquiring minds and all...> > > Rick> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: d...@penoff.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!> > HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.> > -D> >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:>> >> HOA no longer exists?>> >> >> Rick>> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Cc: d...@penoff.com>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!>> >> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?>> >> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html>> >> -D>> ___>> http://www.okiebenz.com>> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>> >> ___>> http://www.okiebenz.com>> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>> > > > ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> > ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t been hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain. Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for friends. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Kaleb Striplin via MercedesSent: Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListCc: Kaleb StriplinSubject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at your place till I can get out there? Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:> > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?> > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html> > -D> ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They tend to ignore us. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hmm. > Inquiring minds and all... > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: d...@penoff.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > > HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. > > -D > >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> HOA no longer exists? >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: d...@penoff.com >> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! >> >> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >> >> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmm. Inquiring minds and all... Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > HOA no longer exists? > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: d...@penoff.com > Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? > > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > HOA no longer exists? > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: d...@penoff.com > Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! > > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? > > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
HOA no longer exists? Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Not at present. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at > your place till I can get out there? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? >> >> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at your place till I can get out there? Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? > > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
That's right up your alley. Pounce. On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? > > > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West? https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ
Hmmm Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2023, at 8:15 AM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Right in my (western) backyard! > > > Mercedes E320 1995 - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive... > flagstaff.craigslist.org > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ
Right in my (western) backyard!Mercedes E320 1995 - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive...flagstaff.craigslist.org-D___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
