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also, flashing your high beams at oncoming traffic means smokey is up ahead. Chuck Landenberger wrote: Kaleb, Your absolutely right.. And then the trucker flashes his christmas tree and moves over in front of you.. Used to give me a chill Real communication without saying a word!!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Sep 26, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Here's a disturbing bit of trivia. Were you aware that in some areas that I've lived, gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting? Brian Who would prefer to be in his 68 Coronet in that situation On 9/26/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, flashing your high beams at oncoming traffic means smokey is up ahead. Chuck Landenberger wrote: Kaleb, Your absolutely right.. And then the trucker flashes his christmas tree and moves over in front of you.. Used to give me a chill Real communication without saying a word!!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Sep 26, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: Here's a disturbing bit of trivia. Were you aware that in some areas that I've lived, gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting? That's a particularly persistent urban legend, but it's just not true. See: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightsout.asp
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Really? Guess I'll have to check my sources. But they do live the life. I would doubt they were so easily tricked. It is quite believable that this info. was spread fraudulently, but it doesn't mean that it didn't happen on a smaller scale. And this was before the internet. And folks with fax machines don't really know what they're talking about in this area. Brian On 9/26/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Here's a disturbing bit of trivia. Were you aware that in some areas that I've lived, gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting? That's a particularly persistent urban legend, but it's just not true. See: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightsout.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: Here's a disturbing bit of trivia. Were you aware that in some areas that I've lived, gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting? And the odds of that happening to you probably rank right up there with dying from a lightning strike.
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, David Brodbeck wrote: That won't help. A longer learner permit will just give them more time to absorb their parents' bad habits. What we need is a more serious approach to driver education. Take a look at maryland's graduated licensing program -- http://www.marylandmva.com/DriverServ/ROOKIEDRIVER/bgeneral.htm http://www.marylandmva.com/DriverServ/ROOKIEDRIVER/lawcompare.htm -j.
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How do you know that, Mitch? Brian On 9/27/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Here's a disturbing bit of trivia. Were you aware that in some areas that I've lived, gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting? And the odds of that happening to you probably rank right up there with dying from a lightning strike. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We heard that in AZ 10 years or so ago, but it's been dismissed as an urban legendsomeone suggested snopes.com or something like that. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble How do you know that, Mitch? Brian On 9/27/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Here's a disturbing bit of trivia. Were you aware that in some areas that I've lived, gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting? And the odds of that happening to you probably rank right up there with dying from a lightning strike. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A coupla flashes from a pair of 100W off-road lights aimed properly will give them enough photons that they won't be able to see well enough to shoot straight at you. This also works well on BMW drivers who leave their aux driving lights on all the time. --R Zoltan Finks wrote: gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting?
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It's funny, right now gmail is advertising all sorts of headlights to me over to the side. Brian On 9/27/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A coupla flashes from a pair of 100W off-road lights aimed properly will give them enough photons that they won't be able to see well enough to shoot straight at you. This also works well on BMW drivers who leave their aux driving lights on all the time. --R Zoltan Finks wrote: gang member types will flash their head lights at you, and if you flash back, they'll take you on with the intention of a nice shooting? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian, Just use your turn signals and stop causing yourself so much stress and tension! You'll feel better and those of us who also use turn signals thank you for joining us in our fight to GET EVERYONE TO USE TURN SIGNALS! I learned how to use CAPS from Marshall to emphasize a point! Take care and be safe! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Oh I see it, and I am frustrated. I'm just trying to figure out how much I should care about the good of the world around me that doesn't seem to be doing the same. I may be assanine, but to faithfully use your turn signal in order to do the right thing began to seem naive and to get old. And I'm just using this forum to rant and get some frustrations out. Brian Mike wrote: You see a problem, claim to be frustrated, and yet you don't see your contribution to the problem to be an issue. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Michael wrote:The left lane is for passing. How come 98% of people on the road don't understand this? Its not for driving slightly faster than the right lane. Amen!! Not only do a lot of people drive *slightly* faster then the right lane - a lot drive the same or slightly slower?? Drives me absolutely nuts. Also, I believe most of the states have laws on the books sating the left lane is a passing lane. But it's never gonna change - if anything drivers will continue to get worse. We need to raise the drivers lic age to more than 16 and extend the Learner's Permit time so they can get some experience. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble Mike On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. That is harsh. BUT I can see your side too - you cannot do your job because people in cars will simply not let you in. What can you do besides inch over? That sounds like the good compromise. Now, those who will intentionally ditch people, I just can't see that. Also: Your theory assumes that someone is just sort of cruising and holding their position behind or infront of your rear bumper. What if they are advancing at a speed greater than yours, and will make their way past you in a timely fashion (again, opinion enters in) but they are technically behind your bumper when you put on your signal. You would require them to lean on the brakes and let you over? Brian Robert wrote: When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006
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The law here says that indicators must be used when changing lanes, does not matter if anyone is there to see them or not. With me it's an automatic thing like checking the blind spot. First thing I do is indicate, quick check of the mirrors and a look over the shoulder to see if an idiot is sitting in my blind spot. This is all done on auto pilot and yes I do have near misses but they are misses. Hendrik who thinks cars without good vision out the back are dumb (that is just about every car these days) - Original Message - From: Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory
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I take it you have never operated a heavy vehicle in traffic, I make a point of giving commercial drivers a fair go on the roads because they put up with the penisheads all day. It also doesn't hurt to flash your high beams to let the truck driver know you have seen his/her intention to change lanes and you will not get in his/her way. Anyway if the Government insists on handing out licenses to operate road missiles in breakfast cereal boxes you have to expect bad drivers. That is why the autobahn system works, good roads combined with good trainingooh and of course quality machines able to operate at high speeds. - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble If you really want to screw up getting to where you are going - get in an accident. Nice way to ruin your day. People die because of tricks like that. And it may not be the other guy. -Dave Walton
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BT Wrong. Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. I take it you have never driven in Europe - or have done so with ignorance. Might want to touch up on that training you spoke about. -Dave Walton On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it you have never operated a heavy vehicle in traffic, I make a point of giving commercial drivers a fair go on the roads because they put up with the penisheads all day. It also doesn't hurt to flash your high beams to let the truck driver know you have seen his/her intention to change lanes and you will not get in his/her way. Anyway if the Government insists on handing out licenses to operate road missiles in breakfast cereal boxes you have to expect bad drivers. That is why the autobahn system works, good roads combined with good trainingooh and of course quality machines able to operate at high speeds. - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble If you really want to screw up getting to where you are going - get in an accident. Nice way to ruin your day. People die because of tricks like that. And it may not be the other guy. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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oh hell, that reminds me of the last time I was in Alaska. ALL the highways are 2 lane there. Out in the middle of nowhere on this curvy, up and down highway, Im cruising along at posted up to probably 10 over. I see this log truck in the distance. Coming up FAST. He then rides my ass ALL the way down the mountain. I mean, 2 feet or less behind. At some point, I think he passed me rather wrecklessly in a non passing zone. David Brodbeck wrote: Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Those guys that will ditch them, that's just plain rough and uncalled for, but they are in the right legally and if the bozo's in the cars weren't driving unsafely and illegally, they wouldn't be in that position. When I lived in Houghton, I heard a news story about a guy who died when a log truck put him in the ditch. Seemed the truck driver was passing this guy's minivan on a two-lane road and decided he wanted to pull back into the right lane before the trailer was clear. Log truck drivers always seemed particularly aggressive to me about asserting what they perceived as their right of way. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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The cops are only interested in writing tickets for speeding. LarryT wrote: Michael wrote:The left lane is for passing. How come 98% of people on the road don't understand this? Its not for driving slightly faster than the right lane. Amen!! Not only do a lot of people drive *slightly* faster then the right lane - a lot drive the same or slightly slower?? Drives me absolutely nuts. Also, I believe most of the states have laws on the books sating the left lane is a passing lane. But it's never gonna change - if anything drivers will continue to get worse. We need to raise the drivers lic age to more than 16 and extend the Learner's Permit time so they can get some experience. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble Mike On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. That is harsh. BUT I can see your side too - you cannot do your job because people in cars will simply not let you in. What can you do besides inch over? That sounds like the good compromise. Now, those who will intentionally ditch people, I just can't see that. Also: Your theory assumes that someone is just sort of cruising and holding their position behind or infront of your rear bumper. What if they are advancing at a speed greater than yours, and will make their way past you in a timely fashion (again, opinion enters in) but they are technically behind your bumper when you put on your signal. You would require them to lean on the brakes and let you over? Brian Robert wrote: When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Hey guys I wasn't that I don't signal just asking the question kinda an informal poll, social engineering test I guess. No I use them all the time a habit I picked up when I had my CDL and riding my GoldWing cause you have to let everyone know what your going to do. All I need now is some kind of neural interface to sense when I'm going to make a lane change. Have fun all. On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Europe is a long way from where I am and seeing that I am down under we do things back to front as well. Over here a flash of the high beams means you have seen the indicators, you are going to give way and it is safe to change lanes. Do it right and you'll earn a wave from the truckie. It is hard to turn off the lights when they are not on. Only places I have driven in Europe is Britain and Santorini (but I don't think that really counts). So I am afraid I will have to take those points off you Dave:-) and I might take a few more because I don't know wether I quite like the tone of your message:-| - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble BT Wrong. Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. I take it you have never driven in Europe - or have done so with ignorance. Might want to touch up on that training you spoke about. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you wrote:Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. Maybe you're referring to driving in Europe? My 40 years experience driving in USA (never drove in Europe) is flashing headlights *do* indicate an intention to yield. Such as flashing high beams when a 18 wheeler is passing so they'll know when to pull in ahead of you - or flashing high beams to let another drive know it;s ok to pull out, etc. Never have seen anyone turn headlights on/off to indicate anything. All my driving has been east of Mississippi - maybe you're on the left coast? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble BT Wrong. Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. I take it you have never driven in Europe - or have done so with ignorance. Might want to touch up on that training you spoke about. -Dave Walton On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it you have never operated a heavy vehicle in traffic, I make a point of giving commercial drivers a fair go on the roads because they put up with the penisheads all day. It also doesn't hurt to flash your high beams to let the truck driver know you have seen his/her intention to change lanes and you will not get in his/her way. Anyway if the Government insists on handing out licenses to operate road missiles in breakfast cereal boxes you have to expect bad drivers. That is why the autobahn system works, good roads combined with good trainingooh and of course quality machines able to operate at high speeds. - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble If you really want to screw up getting to where you are going - get in an accident. Nice way to ruin your day. People die because of tricks like that. And it may not be the other guy. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006
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You're not kidding! This point was brought to my attention big time when we drove a new Chevy Cavalier. They make it so sporty and appealing to the kids in the styling. The rear deck is very hard to see over. And you're right, this trend is pretty big nowadays. It would be nice in that it gives you a bit of a shielded feeling from the driver behind you, but it is obvioiusly bad in the area of the visual field of the driver. I really enjoy checking my blind spot in my W123. It's so effortless. Brian 83 240D Hendrik signed off thus: Hendrik who thinks cars without good vision out the back are dumb (that is just about every car these days)
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You're not kidding! This point was brought to my attention big time when we drove a new Chevy Cavalier. They make it so sporty and appealing to the kids in the styling. The rear deck is very hard to see over. And you're right, this trend is pretty big nowadays. I hate the 'bunker mentality'. Gunslits for windows, car beltlines up around your neck. Bleah. Even most of the convertibles make me think more big sunroof rather than open car, the ass end raises up so high. Give me Falcons, Pacers, and good ol' 107 SL's! -- Jim
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Flashing headlights means you want to pass. Headlights off and on mean you are going to yield, as in, its safe for whoever to pull back into your lane. LarryT wrote: you wrote:Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. Maybe you're referring to driving in Europe? My 40 years experience driving in USA (never drove in Europe) is flashing headlights *do* indicate an intention to yield. Such as flashing high beams when a 18 wheeler is passing so they'll know when to pull in ahead of you - or flashing high beams to let another drive know it;s ok to pull out, etc. Never have seen anyone turn headlights on/off to indicate anything. All my driving has been east of Mississippi - maybe you're on the left coast? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble BT Wrong. Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. I take it you have never driven in Europe - or have done so with ignorance. Might want to touch up on that training you spoke about. -Dave Walton On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it you have never operated a heavy vehicle in traffic, I make a point of giving commercial drivers a fair go on the roads because they put up with the penisheads all day. It also doesn't hurt to flash your high beams to let the truck driver know you have seen his/her intention to change lanes and you will not get in his/her way. Anyway if the Government insists on handing out licenses to operate road missiles in breakfast cereal boxes you have to expect bad drivers. That is why the autobahn system works, good roads combined with good trainingooh and of course quality machines able to operate at high speeds. - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble If you really want to screw up getting to where you are going - get in an accident. Nice way to ruin your day. People die because of tricks like that. And it may not be the other guy. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Some days I'd swear they are really masculinity challenge annunciators -j.
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Kaleb, Your absolutely right.. And then the trucker flashes his christmas tree and moves over in front of you.. Used to give me a chill Real communication without saying a word!!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Sep 26, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Flashing headlights means you want to pass. Headlights off and on mean you are going to yield, as in, its safe for whoever to pull back into your lane. LarryT wrote: you wrote:Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. Maybe you're referring to driving in Europe? My 40 years experience driving in USA (never drove in Europe) is flashing headlights *do* indicate an intention to yield. Such as flashing high beams when a 18 wheeler is passing so they'll know when to pull in ahead of you - or flashing high beams to let another drive know it;s ok to pull out, etc. Never have seen anyone turn headlights on/off to indicate anything. All my driving has been east of Mississippi - maybe you're on the left coast? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble BT Wrong. Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. I take it you have never driven in Europe - or have done so with ignorance. Might want to touch up on that training you spoke about. -Dave Walton On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it you have never operated a heavy vehicle in traffic, I make a point of giving commercial drivers a fair go on the roads because they put up with the penisheads all day. It also doesn't hurt to flash your high beams to let the truck driver know you have seen his/her intention to change lanes and you will not get in his/her way. Anyway if the Government insists on handing out licenses to operate road missiles in breakfast cereal boxes you have to expect bad drivers. That is why the autobahn system works, good roads combined with good trainingooh and of course quality machines able to operate at high speeds. - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble If you really want to screw up getting to where you are going - get in an accident. Nice way to ruin your day. People die because of tricks like that. And it may not be the other guy. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Yeah, I enjoy doing that too - I think I would usually turn off the headlights for a second to let him or her know they can scoot on over in front of me. I heard it's especially helpful to the truck drivers at night. They they almost always give you that return flash. I really respect professional drivers of large vehicles (especially when it comes to backing those things up with trailers). But when they act agressively, it's real disturbing and unbecoming what I think ought to be some of the most skilled, ethical drivers on the road. I do however TRY to be a bit understanding sometimes when I'm being tailgated by a big rid and I think that they're simply trying to keep their momentum up for an upcoming hill and to avoid downshifting. I may be capable of trying to work with them in that situation if I haven't already been put in my red zone by two or three encounters with other drivers on that trip. Brian On 9/26/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, Your absolutely right.. And then the trucker flashes his christmas tree and moves over in front of you.. Used to give me a chill Real communication without saying a word!!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Sep 26, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Flashing headlights means you want to pass. Headlights off and on mean you are going to yield, as in, its safe for whoever to pull back into your lane. LarryT wrote: you wrote:Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. Maybe you're referring to driving in Europe? My 40 years experience driving in USA (never drove in Europe) is flashing headlights *do* indicate an intention to yield. Such as flashing high beams when a 18 wheeler is passing so they'll know when to pull in ahead of you - or flashing high beams to let another drive know it;s ok to pull out, etc. Never have seen anyone turn headlights on/off to indicate anything. All my driving has been east of Mississippi - maybe you're on the left coast? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble BT Wrong. Flashing high beams signals the intention NOT to yield. Turning off lights momentarily signals that you DO intend to yield. I take it you have never driven in Europe - or have done so with ignorance. Might want to touch up on that training you spoke about. -Dave Walton On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it you have never operated a heavy vehicle in traffic, I make a point of giving commercial drivers a fair go on the roads because they put up with the penisheads all day. It also doesn't hurt to flash your high beams to let the truck driver know you have seen his/her intention to change lanes and you will not get in his/her way. Anyway if the Government insists on handing out licenses to operate road missiles in breakfast cereal boxes you have to expect bad drivers. That is why the autobahn system works, good roads combined with good trainingooh and of course quality machines able to operate at high speeds. - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble If you really want to screw up getting to where you are going - get in an accident. Nice way to ruin your day. People die because of tricks like that. And it may not be the other guy. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Chuck, I like that. I'll try. Brian On 9/25/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, Just use your turn signals and stop causing yourself so much stress and tension! You'll feel better and those of us who also use turn signals thank you for joining us in our fight to GET EVERYONE TO USE TURN SIGNALS! I learned how to use CAPS from Marshall to emphasize a point! Take care and be safe! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Oh I see it, and I am frustrated. I'm just trying to figure out how much I should care about the good of the world around me that doesn't seem to be doing the same. I may be assanine, but to faithfully use your turn signal in order to do the right thing began to seem naive and to get old. And I'm just using this forum to rant and get some frustrations out. Brian Mike wrote: You see a problem, claim to be frustrated, and yet you don't see your contribution to the problem to be an issue. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
LarryT wrote: But it's never gonna change - if anything drivers will continue to get worse. We need to raise the drivers lic age to more than 16 and extend the Learner's Permit time so they can get some experience. That won't help. A longer learner permit will just give them more time to absorb their parents' bad habits. What we need is a more serious approach to driver education.
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Flashing headlights means you want to pass. Headlights off and on mean you are going to yield, as in, its safe for whoever to pull back into your lane. Kaleb's comment lines up with my own experience. I've observed that signal many times, and occasionally used (and given) it myself. Of course, this assumes you're running with your lights on at all times, but most trucks do. It also seems to be customary for the truck that's being let in to briefly turn its tail lights off and on to acknowledge the signal. One large U-Haul I rented had a momentary switch on the dash for this.
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Unless the language has been changed recently, it read that signals must be used whereas traffic might be effected , so officially, no ticket, but that most likely won't stop some bozo from writing you one anyway, then it's up to you to prove you're innocent in court. -Robert Rory wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time. The its okay becuase... excuse annoys me to no end. You sound like my girlfriend. Thats right, you drive like a woman. Mike On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Don't mean to confront you personally, Rory, but in my opinion, your question speaks to the issue of the type of thinking that partly causes this problem: When people leave turn-signalling up to their own judgement, mistakes are made, and opinions vary. You may reason that nobody is behind you for a suitable distance, but 1.) have you checked your blindspot sufficiently to ensure there's not a motorcycle back there, etc., and 2.) We tend to focus on the one or two things in our mind, while there are dozens of things going on around us. You may be safely changing lanes without a signal, but the car that is considering pulling out from a side street into the empty (about to be occupied by you without warning) lane. Again, not a personal attack on you, guy. You just opened up opportunity for further discussion. Brian On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Ever seen The Butterfly Effect? It could be argued that even when no one is around, not using your signal will have an effect on traffic. Furthermore, if the cop could see you NOT use your signal, it obviously affected him, and therefore traffic. Again, whats the big deal - if that amount of effort puts strain on you, mentally or physically, you shouldn't be driving anyway. Mike On 9/25/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless the language has been changed recently, it read that signals must be used whereas traffic might be effected , so officially, no ticket, but that most likely won't stop some bozo from writing you one anyway, then it's up to you to prove you're innocent in court. -Robert Rory wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
we used to call it the speed up and pass signal When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. I won't ditch them, ( even though it would be legally their fault , but I know plenty of guys who will, and will sit there and laugh while the guy in the ditch is getting a ticket for failure to yield) but I'll inch over enough to where they get the message . It may sound harsh, but if you don't stick up for yourself in those things,you might as well park the thing because you'll never get where you're going. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
If you really want to screw up getting to where you are going - get in an accident. Nice way to ruin your day. People die because of tricks like that. And it may not be the other guy. -Dave Walton On 9/25/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we used to call it the speed up and pass signal When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. I won't ditch them, ( even though it would be legally their fault , but I know plenty of guys who will, and will sit there and laugh while the guy in the ditch is getting a ticket for failure to yield) but I'll inch over enough to where they get the message . It may sound harsh, but if you don't stick up for yourself in those things,you might as well park the thing because you'll never get where you're going. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Wow. That is harsh. BUT I can see your side too - you cannot do your job because people in cars will simply not let you in. What can you do besides inch over? That sounds like the good compromise. Now, those who will intentionally ditch people, I just can't see that. Also: Your theory assumes that someone is just sort of cruising and holding their position behind or infront of your rear bumper. What if they are advancing at a speed greater than yours, and will make their way past you in a timely fashion (again, opinion enters in) but they are technically behind your bumper when you put on your signal. You would require them to lean on the brakes and let you over? Brian Robert wrote: When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over.
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The left lane is for passing. How come 98% of people on the road don't understand this? Its not for driving slightly faster than the right lane. Mike On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. That is harsh. BUT I can see your side too - you cannot do your job because people in cars will simply not let you in. What can you do besides inch over? That sounds like the good compromise. Now, those who will intentionally ditch people, I just can't see that. Also: Your theory assumes that someone is just sort of cruising and holding their position behind or infront of your rear bumper. What if they are advancing at a speed greater than yours, and will make their way past you in a timely fashion (again, opinion enters in) but they are technically behind your bumper when you put on your signal. You would require them to lean on the brakes and let you over? Brian Robert wrote: When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, this is what I was taught, and what I believe should be practiced. However, it is not. Therin lies the problem with me. It's about un-returned courtesy. I reached a point at which I became so frustrated with being courteous and putting wear and tear on my signall lever and bulbs, only to have most of the rest of the drivers blow off doing the same, that I just stopped. Well, actually I'm in the process of deciding what my policy will be. I know that if I'm ticketed for not sinalling, or I cause an accident, the other drivers are not the ones in trouble. Brian Mike wrote: Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time On 9/25/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time. The its okay becuase... excuse annoys me to no end. You sound like my girlfriend. Thats right, you drive like a woman. Mike On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Exactly, I would only inch to the line, but it sends a message. I thought it was pretty harsh at first when the old guys were teaching me, but after about the third time of missing a ramp due to a line of clowns not letting me over and having to go 40+ miles down the road before finding a place to turn around then come back, I learned to use the law real fast. Considering that I have well over 1.5 million accident free commercial miles ( better than a third of those done on ice and snow )and over .5 million accident free personal miles and have never put a scratch in anything by my fault, a record that very few can match ( only wreck I've ever had was on a motorcycle when some clown ran a stop sign and flattened me ), I wouldn't consider myself reckless by any stretch of the imagination. Those guys that will ditch them, that's just plain rough and uncalled for, but they are in the right legally and if the bozo's in the cars weren't driving unsafely and illegally, they wouldn't be in that position. You'd be surprised how many time when riding the line that I'd STILL have 20 or more cars illegally passing me. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: Wow. That is harsh. BUT I can see your side too - you cannot do your job because people in cars will simply not let you in. What can you do besides inch over? That sounds like the good compromise. Now, those who will intentionally ditch people, I just can't see that. Also: Your theory assumes that someone is just sort of cruising and holding their position behind or infront of your rear bumper. What if they are advancing at a speed greater than yours, and will make their way past you in a timely fashion (again, opinion enters in) but they are technically behind your bumper when you put on your signal. You would require them to lean on the brakes and let you over? Brian Robert wrote: When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. You sound like a customer for something I saw advertised in Autoweek about 15 years ago. I believe the manufacturer's name was Brake Light Industries. The product was a X-band radar emitter with an instant on pushbutton switch.
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
I'm not certain what you mean by not signalling even when no one is around having an effect on traffic, but it brings me to another point: When people see others not signaling, it subconsciously becomes the thing to do, 'til it's at the point it is now: It is simply not the thing to do to signal. (Particularly in bigger cities - read Chicago or Boston, etc.) Whether you the too pimp for the world 20 something, or the veteran cop, you just don't signal. And yes, I see cops blow off signaling often (in addition to city and school bus drivers, ambulances, etc. etc.) It seems people only use their blinker when they *want* something from other drivers. Oh, I want to pull out onto that busy street. I'll solicit using my signal. Who else here has thought about this as much as me? I wish I could stop. Do you ever wonder why some people use their blinker and some don't? Traveling on the interstate is an opportune time to analyze this. Watch the percentage of those who signal to pull in in front of you after they pass. It seems to be somewhere around 25% or so. Heck, I even notice whether or not they signal to leave their lane to begin the pass. Why should I do it if they don't? And no, what is the Butterfly Effect? Brian Mike wrote: Ever seen The Butterfly Effect? It could be argued that even when no one is around, not using your signal will have an effect on traffic.
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So if all your friends jump off a bridge, you will too? You see a problem, claim to be frustrated, and yet you don't see your contribution to the problem to be an issue. Thats downright assanine. Its wy too easy in this country to get a drivers liscense, and wy to hard to get a ticket for anything but speeding. I guess that's why we can't have an autobahn. Mike On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is what I was taught, and what I believe should be practiced. However, it is not. Therin lies the problem with me. It's about un-returned courtesy. I reached a point at which I became so frustrated with being courteous and putting wear and tear on my signall lever and bulbs, only to have most of the rest of the drivers blow off doing the same, that I just stopped. Well, actually I'm in the process of deciding what my policy will be. I know that if I'm ticketed for not sinalling, or I cause an accident, the other drivers are not the ones in trouble. Brian Mike wrote: Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time On 9/25/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time. The its okay becuase... excuse annoys me to no end. You sound like my girlfriend. Thats right, you drive like a woman. Mike On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Oh yes, I see cars punch it to get past a large vehicle when it puts on its bliker. They ain't gettin stuck behind that thing. And yes, people should not just cruise along beside trucks, or preferably any car. Brian On 9/25/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, I would only inch to the line, but it sends a message. I thought it was pretty harsh at first when the old guys were teaching me, but after about the third time of missing a ramp due to a line of clowns not letting me over and having to go 40+ miles down the road before finding a place to turn around then come back, I learned to use the law real fast. Considering that I have well over 1.5 million accident free commercial miles ( better than a third of those done on ice and snow )and over .5 million accident free personal miles and have never put a scratch in anything by my fault, a record that very few can match ( only wreck I've ever had was on a motorcycle when some clown ran a stop sign and flattened me ), I wouldn't consider myself reckless by any stretch of the imagination. Those guys that will ditch them, that's just plain rough and uncalled for, but they are in the right legally and if the bozo's in the cars weren't driving unsafely and illegally, they wouldn't be in that position. You'd be surprised how many time when riding the line that I'd STILL have 20 or more cars illegally passing me. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: Wow. That is harsh. BUT I can see your side too - you cannot do your job because people in cars will simply not let you in. What can you do besides inch over? That sounds like the good compromise. Now, those who will intentionally ditch people, I just can't see that. Also: Your theory assumes that someone is just sort of cruising and holding their position behind or infront of your rear bumper. What if they are advancing at a speed greater than yours, and will make their way past you in a timely fashion (again, opinion enters in) but they are technically behind your bumper when you put on your signal. You would require them to lean on the brakes and let you over? Brian Robert wrote: When driving big trucks, I follow the letter of the law, anyone whose front bumper is past my rear bumper when I hit the signal, I let them go by, anyone whose front bumper is behind my rear bumper when I hit the signal is required to let me in, so it's 500 ft down the highway with the blinker on and anyone who was behind the bumper when I hit the signal, better get out of the way, because I'm coming over. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Oh I see it, and I am frustrated. I'm just trying to figure out how much I should care about the good of the world around me that doesn't seem to be doing the same. I may be assanine, but to faithfully use your turn signal in order to do the right thing began to seem naive and to get old. And I'm just using this forum to rant and get some frustrations out. Brian Mike wrote: You see a problem, claim to be frustrated, and yet you don't see your contribution to the problem to be an issue.
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Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Those guys that will ditch them, that's just plain rough and uncalled for, but they are in the right legally and if the bozo's in the cars weren't driving unsafely and illegally, they wouldn't be in that position. When I lived in Houghton, I heard a news story about a guy who died when a log truck put him in the ditch. Seemed the truck driver was passing this guy's minivan on a two-lane road and decided he wanted to pull back into the right lane before the trailer was clear. Log truck drivers always seemed particularly aggressive to me about asserting what they perceived as their right of way.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). You had better get back in the habit because it's the law here and it's a primary offense. And those who don't deserve a ticket. RLE/Seattle Judging from my experience driving in California, there it's known as giving information to the enemy. When I'd put on my blinker, people would speed up to block the maneuver so I wouldn't get in front of them. In WA people are too oblivious to what other cars are doing to pull that stunt.
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it).
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). You had better get back in the habit because it's the law here and it's a primary offense. And those who don't deserve a ticket. RLE/Seattle
