Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
An engine which is not providing full power is easily mis-diagnosed as a transmission problem, because the shifting is wrong. Yep. The Albatross had a 'bad tranny'. Turned out somebody'd really messed up the throttle linkage, and the full-load stop screw on the injection pump. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D,-- That's fast How do you get to Carnegie Hall :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D, it does have the flaring 2-3 shift so I need to do the spring upgrade. Had to adjust the tranny to the hard shifting side to get the flare to a minimum. Once I get the spring upgrade done it should shift very well. As a side note, both the previous transmission installs were .409 boxes out of like a 2.3 or 2.6 gas car. This one is the .403. the diesel uses a different converter also, so I had the diesel converter and the gas tranny with the diesel version modulator valve. Could it be something in the gearing, or something I am not thinking about that would cause these to not upshift, or rather, sometimes upshift sometimes not? I would not think so but maybe I am missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
I wonder. The shift control cable on the diesel works backwards on the 603 -- fully extended at idle and retracts into the housing with opening pedal, not the other way 'round which is the usual. Might think it's at full throttle all the time Peter On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D, it does have the flaring 2-3 shift so I need to do the spring upgrade. Had to adjust the tranny to the hard shifting side to get the flare to a minimum. Once I get the spring upgrade done it should shift very well. As a side note, both the previous transmission installs were .409 boxes out of like a 2.3 or 2.6 gas car. This one is the .403. the diesel uses a different converter also, so I had the diesel converter and the gas tranny with the diesel version modulator valve. Could it be something in the gearing, or something I am not thinking about that would cause these to not upshift, or rather, sometimes upshift sometimes not? I would not think so but maybe I am missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Wow! Wouldn't that suck if the problem was just the wrong cable/tranny? Many of us have been in that place at one time or another. Dan From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update I wonder. The shift control cable on the diesel works backwards on the 603 -- fully extended at idle and retracts into the housing with opening pedal, not the other way 'round which is the usual. Might think it's at full throttle all the time Peter On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D, it does have the flaring 2-3 shift so I need to do the spring upgrade. Had to adjust the tranny to the hard shifting side to get the flare to a minimum. Once I get the spring upgrade done it should shift very well. As a side note, both the previous transmission installs were .409 boxes out of like a 2.3 or 2.6 gas car. This one is the .403. the diesel uses a different converter also, so I had the diesel converter and the gas tranny with the diesel version modulator valve. Could it be something in the gearing, or something I am not thinking about that would cause these to not upshift, or rather, sometimes upshift sometimes not? I would not think so but maybe I am missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
diesel converter and the gas tranny with the diesel version modulator valve. Didn't anyone ever learn ya that gas and Diesel don't mix? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Whow ! You meant to say: Gassers and D On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't anyone ever learn ya that gas and Diesel don't mix? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
That's fast On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D,-- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Yea but why would it shift sometimes And not others. Also would it not still Shift but at redline? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I wonder. The shift control cable on the diesel works backwards on the 603 -- fully extended at idle and retracts into the housing with opening pedal, not the other way 'round which is the usual. Might think it's at full throttle all the time Peter On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D, it does have the flaring 2-3 shift so I need to do the spring upgrade. Had to adjust the tranny to the hard shifting side to get the flare to a minimum. Once I get the spring upgrade done it should shift very well. As a side note, both the previous transmission installs were .409 boxes out of like a 2.3 or 2.6 gas car. This one is the .403. the diesel uses a different converter also, so I had the diesel converter and the gas tranny with the diesel version modulator valve. Could it be something in the gearing, or something I am not thinking about that would cause these to not upshift, or rather, sometimes upshift sometimes not? I would not think so but maybe I am missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
I had the old tranny out before the wife got back from getting donuts Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: That's fast On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D,-- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Well aside form German Automotive Diesels, you NEVER want gasoline near your Diesel. But yes, I meant gasoline and YEs, it was supposed to be a funny. Whow ! You meant to say: Gassers and D On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't anyone ever learn ya that gas and Diesel don't mix? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Where'd she go for donuts - Tulsa??? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I had the old tranny out before the wife got back from getting donuts Sent from my iPhone -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
I've read somewhere that MB transmissions are designed/tuned to expect normal power and torque from the engine they are bolted to. An engine which is not providing full power is easily mis-diagnosed as a transmission problem, because the shifting is wrong. That may be what happened to you. Do you know of any other car with a gasser transmission behind a diesel engine? -- Max, Charleston SC Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D, it does have the flaring 2-3 shift so I need to do the spring upgrade. Had to adjust the tranny to the hard shifting side to get the flare to a minimum. Once I get the spring upgrade done it should shift very well. As a side note, both the previous transmission installs were .409 boxes out of like a 2.3 or 2.6 gas car. This one is the .403. the diesel uses a different converter also, so I had the diesel converter and the gas tranny with the diesel version modulator valve. Could it be something in the gearing, or something I am not thinking about that would cause these to not upshift, or rather, sometimes upshift sometimes not? I would not think so but maybe I am missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Neither my OM603 nor my OM606 work like that. -- Max, Charleston SC Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I wonder. The shift control cable on the diesel works backwards on the 603 -- fully extended at idle and retracts into the housing with opening pedal, not the other way 'round which is the usual. Might think it's at full throttle all the time Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
No but even that Would be quick Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Where'd she go for donuts - Tulsa??? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I had the old tranny out before the wife got back from getting donuts Sent from my iPhone -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Latest 190D tranny update
Yea although I don't remember where exactly. Probably work ok if the diesel valve body was moved to the gasser tranny Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I've read somewhere that MB transmissions are designed/tuned to expect normal power and torque from the engine they are bolted to. An engine which is not providing full power is easily mis-diagnosed as a transmission problem, because the shifting is wrong. That may be what happened to you. Do you know of any other car with a gasser transmission behind a diesel engine? -- Max, Charleston SC Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Ok, so took about 4 hours to completely swap the tranny on the 190D, it does have the flaring 2-3 shift so I need to do the spring upgrade. Had to adjust the tranny to the hard shifting side to get the flare to a minimum. Once I get the spring upgrade done it should shift very well. As a side note, both the previous transmission installs were .409 boxes out of like a 2.3 or 2.6 gas car. This one is the .403. the diesel uses a different converter also, so I had the diesel converter and the gas tranny with the diesel version modulator valve. Could it be something in the gearing, or something I am not thinking about that would cause these to not upshift, or rather, sometimes upshift sometimes not? I would not think so but maybe I am missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
