Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah that would be good but it would still get wet and soaked and 
flooring would take the hit, but at least the underlayment wouldn't rot 
away.  I put some of that on my little kayak trailer (it was a little 
jon boat trailer I modified) for a deck and it is still holding up after 
7 or 8 years.


--R


On 2/28/17 9:26 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

My thoughts exactly.

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On Feb 28, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

I already suggested better.  The treated plywood for AWWF.  .60 treated.  It is 
made specifically to build foundations with.  That us underground.  It won't 
rot, it won't swell up like OSB/advantach/OSB with a fancy coating.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 27, 2017 at 10:02 AM
Unless you know something better that is the best I know of.  But yeah, it is 
all kinda crap if you start getting water involved, but the glues and coatings 
on Advantech will help it resist better.  I have had scraps laying out in the 
weather for a year or more and it is still intact, so there's that.

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

My thoughts exactly.

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> On Feb 28, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I already suggested better.  The treated plywood for AWWF.  .60 treated.  It 
> is made specifically to build foundations with.  That us underground.  It 
> won't rot, it won't swell up like OSB/advantach/OSB with a fancy coating.
> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> February 27, 2017 at 10:02 AM
>> Unless you know something better that is the best I know of.  But yeah, it 
>> is all kinda crap if you start getting water involved, but the glues and 
>> coatings on Advantech will help it resist better.  I have had scraps laying 
>> out in the weather for a year or more and it is still intact, so there's 
>> that.
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I already suggested better.  The treated plywood for AWWF.  .60 
treated.  It is made specifically to build foundations with.  That us 
underground.  It won't rot, it won't swell up like OSB/advantach/OSB 
with a fancy coating.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 27, 2017 at 10:02 AM
Unless you know something better that is the best I know of.  But 
yeah, it is all kinda crap if you start getting water involved, but 
the glues and coatings on Advantech will help it resist better.  I 
have had scraps laying out in the weather for a year or more and it is 
still intact, so there's that.


--FT




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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Absolutely. Water is the enemy and one must keep it out or there will be 
problems.


RB

On 28/02/2017 7:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

The problem there is failure of the roofing, not failure of the OSB.

I should note that the shower house at camp is OSB and 2x4s. Until last year it 
had insufficient overhang on the roof (first roof I ever designed and built 
myself) and although the back wall had been wet for maybe 4 years its only 
discolored, hasn't even bowed.
I need to get some paint on it, maybe this year...

-Curt

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Cc: Dimitri <dsereta...@yahoo.com>
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

I've heard of premature roof failures due to advantek use where roofing nail perforates the coating. Advantek is made from OSB. When OSB gets wet, it fails.


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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Some hardwood planks do not stand up to water very well either.
Cedar or Redwood or Cypress probably if it needs to be rot resistant.

My home has OSB as the floor and roof sheathing  and was built in 1981. 
No issues with the OSB so far.


RB

On 27/02/2017 8:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Dimitri is just high minded, he doesn't want anything but the finest hardwood 
planks ;)
-Curt

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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask because I'm walking on a bunch of it.


On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the cut.


-Original Message-
From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47 AM

Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.

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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The problem there is failure of the roofing, not failure of the OSB.

I should note that the shower house at camp is OSB and 2x4s. Until last year it 
had insufficient overhang on the roof (first roof I ever designed and built 
myself) and although the back wall had been wet for maybe 4 years its only 
discolored, hasn't even bowed.
I need to get some paint on it, maybe this year...

-Curt

  From: Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dimitri <dsereta...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question
   
I've heard of premature roof failures due to advantek use where roofing nail 
perforates the coating. Advantek is made from OSB. When OSB gets wet, it fails.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask 
> because I'm walking on a bunch of it.
> 
> On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the cut.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47 AM
>> 
>> Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Advantech and OSB sheathing are different but any wood product will succumb
to chronic wet.  The floor I had to replace was 1x12 SYP T (at 45 degrees)
under solid oak flooring.  I don't know how long it was wet but I could pull
up big chunks with just my fingers.

> -Original Message-
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> Dimitri via Mercedes
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> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question
> 
> I've heard of premature roof failures due to advantek use where roofing
nail
> perforates the coating. Advantek is made from OSB. When OSB gets wet, it
> fails.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 27, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask
> because I'm walking on a bunch of it.
> >
> > On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the
cut.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47 AM
> >>
> >> Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

That's right! The best or nothing, right?:)

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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Dimitri is just high minded, he doesn't want anything but the finest hardwood 
> planks ;)
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question
> 
> Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask 
> because I'm walking on a bunch of it.
> 
> On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the cut.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47 AM
>> 
>> Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I've heard of premature roof failures due to advantek use where roofing nail 
perforates the coating. Advantek is made from OSB. When OSB gets wet, it fails.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask 
> because I'm walking on a bunch of it.
> 
> On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the cut.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47 AM
>> 
>> Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well the advantek is down and we have started in the pergo. I discovered I 
really would need the special tap bar thing for hooking on and tapping it into 
place, and of course the local Lowes was out. We had planned on having this 
done today but will have to finish it tomorrow. The renters move in Wednesday.

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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask 
> because I'm walking on a bunch of it.
> 
> On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the cut.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47AM
>> 
>> Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Dimitri is just high minded, he doesn't want anything but the finest hardwood 
planks ;)
-Curt

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Cc: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question
   
Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask because 
I'm walking on a bunch of it.

On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the cut.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47 AM
> 
> Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

If push comes to shove, you can always rip shims off a 2x and tack them to the 
tops of the joists.

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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question
> 
> Well the local yard has that in the proper size for $32
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 27, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber yard
> and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately water-
> resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly heavy).
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >> On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared
> to be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our
> existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it 
> back
> and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th of an
> inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as the trim base
> boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for the previous tile
> and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor fits right up with 
> the
> trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little thicker than what 
> is in the
> house. So our options appear to be to either leave it as is and use quarter
> round along the baseboard to secure the edge of the pergo, or we are going to
> have to go back with the smaller and I'm afraid it may be way too short
> compared to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Dimitri, Do you have experience or reports to support this?  I only ask because 
I'm walking on a bunch of it.

On all of these products, cutting them compromises the coating at the cut.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Dimitri via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:47 AM
> 
> Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I suggest, that given Kaleb's history with the property as a landlord, 
he should patch it up in a reasonable manner and sell it as soon as he can.
I don't think he should worry about making it last a lifetime. The Lord 
only knows what other problems with the house already exist but have not 
become obvious yet.
People are often looking for investment property with a tenant paying 
rent. Since he appears to have a tenant ready to move in, it might be a 
good time to sell it and move on.


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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I used Advantech for subfloor in my addition (about 1000 sf) with no complaints 
after 11 years.  Of course it only got wet during construction.  

> -Original Message-
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> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:03 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lumber question
> 
> Unless you know something better that is the best I know of.  But yeah, it is 
> all
> kinda crap if you start getting water involved, but the glues and coatings on
> Advantech will help it resist better.  I have had scraps laying out in the 
> weather
> for a year or more and it is still intact, so there's that.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 2/27/17 10:46 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
> > Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well the local yard has that in the proper size for $32
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber
> yard and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately water-
> resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly heavy).
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>> Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which
> appeared to be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I
> measured our existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1".
> We took it back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong
> by an 8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where 
> as
> the trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for
> the previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor 
> fits
> right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little 
> thicker
> than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to either leave it as 
> is
> and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge of the pergo,
> or we are going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm afraid it may be
> way too short compared to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Marine plywood?

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Unless you know something better that is the best I know of.  But yeah, 
it is all kinda crap if you start getting water involved, but the glues 
and coatings on Advantech will help it resist better.  I have had scraps 
laying out in the weather for a year or more and it is still intact, so 
there's that.


--FT


On 2/27/17 10:46 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.

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On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Well the local yard has that in the proper size for $32

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On Feb 27, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber yard and 
get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately water-resistant 
too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly heavy).

--FT



On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to be too thin 
compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our existing floor I get 1". 
There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it back and got the 1 1/8 which I 
figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it 
home cut to fit and where as the trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap 
big enough for the previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this 
subfloor fits right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little 
thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to either leave it as is 
and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge of the pergo, or we are 
going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm afraid it may be way too short compared 
to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?

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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Advantek is osb with a fancy coating. Still garbage.

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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well the local yard has that in the proper size for $32
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber yard 
>> and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately 
>> water-resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly 
>> heavy).
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to 
>>> be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our 
>>> existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took 
>>> it back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 
>>> 8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as 
>>> the trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for 
>>> the previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor 
>>> fits right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a 
>>> little thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to 
>>> either leave it as is and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure 
>>> the edge of the pergo, or we are going to have to go back with the smaller 
>>> and I'm afraid it may be way too short compared to the adjacent 
>>> subflooring. Wtf?
>>> 
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>> or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
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Well the local yard has that in the proper size for $32

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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber yard 
> and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately 
> water-resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly 
> heavy).
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to 
>> be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our 
>> existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it 
>> back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th 
>> of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as the 
>> trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for the 
>> previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor fits 
>> right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little 
>> thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to either 
>> leave it as is and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge 
>> of the pergo, or we are going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm 
>> afraid it may be way too short compared to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Yup osb is trash.

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> On Feb 26, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OSB does well on tests of strength WHEN IT IS NEW and VERY dry!  It does very 
> well on compression, torsion and shear tests.  It is adequate on tensile 
> tests, all when new.
> 
> After years in real use, it SUCKS!   Havn't you seen sheds or garages made of 
> OSB where it is coming apart?  I sure have!  yours is now 15 yrs old, and sat 
> exposed for however long until the bank got windows put in.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> February 26, 2017 at 8:43 PM
>> From what I am reading they say OSB is better than plywood.  Not sure I buy 
>> that.  I have seen 7/8 listed as an os size on online.  I am not sure why 
>> they used this size unless it was common when this house was built in 02. 
>> Going to have to check the local lumber yard in the morning.  The depot and 
>> Lowes does not have it.
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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Better yet get real plywood not that osb garbage. Would even consider PT 
plywood in your situation 

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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber yard 
> and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately 
> water-resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly 
> heavy).
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to 
>> be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our 
>> existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it 
>> back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th 
>> of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as the 
>> trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for the 
>> previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor fits 
>> right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little 
>> thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to either 
>> leave it as is and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge 
>> of the pergo, or we are going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm 
>> afraid it may be way too short compared to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?
>> 
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

correctomundo.

Bucking around 30 or pieces of it was even more fun!

--FT


On 2/27/17 9:55 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Is that what we used to roll the engine hoist around when pulling the
engine from Wilton's 300D?  That stuff was HEAVY!

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber yard
and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately
water-resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly
heavy).

--FT


On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared
to be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our
existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took
it back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an
8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as
the trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for
the previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor
fits right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a
little thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to
either leave it as is and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure
the edge of the pergo, or we are going to have to go back with the smaller
and I'm afraid it may be way too short compared to the adjacent
subflooring. Wtf?

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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is that what we used to roll the engine hoist around when pulling the
engine from Wilton's 300D?  That stuff was HEAVY!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber yard
> and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately
> water-resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and fairly
> heavy).
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared
>> to be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our
>> existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took
>> it back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an
>> 8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as
>> the trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for
>> the previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor
>> fits right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a
>> little thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to
>> either leave it as is and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure
>> the edge of the pergo, or we are going to have to go back with the smaller
>> and I'm afraid it may be way too short compared to the adjacent
>> subflooring. Wtf?
>>
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Don't screw around with Lowes plywood for subfloor.  Go to the lumber 
yard and get Advantech for floors and put that down.  It is moderately 
water-resistant too (actually pretty good) and strong as hell (and 
fairly heavy).


--FT


On 2/26/17 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to be too thin 
compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our existing floor I get 1". 
There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it back and got the 1 1/8 which I 
figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it 
home cut to fit and where as the trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap 
big enough for the previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this 
subfloor fits right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little 
thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to either leave it as is 
and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge of the pergo, or we are 
going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm afraid it may be way too short compared 
to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?

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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep, the corner where it was getting wet just crumbled apart.

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> On Feb 26, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OSB does well on tests of strength WHEN IT IS NEW and VERY dry!  It does very 
> well on compression, torsion and shear tests.  It is adequate on tensile 
> tests, all when new.
> 
> After years in real use, it SUCKS!   Havn't you seen sheds or garages made of 
> OSB where it is coming apart?  I sure have!  yours is now 15 yrs old, and sat 
> exposed for however long until the bank got windows put in.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> February 26, 2017 at 8:43 PM
>> From what I am reading they say OSB is better than plywood.  Not sure I buy 
>> that.  I have seen 7/8 listed as an os size on online.  I am not sure why 
>> they used this size unless it was common when this house was built in 02. 
>> Going to have to check the local lumber yard in the morning.  The depot and 
>> Lowes does not have it.
>> 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

OSB does well on tests of strength WHEN IT IS NEW and VERY dry!  It does 
very well on compression, torsion and shear tests.  It is adequate on 
tensile tests, all when new.


After years in real use, it SUCKS!   Havn't you seen sheds or garages 
made of OSB where it is coming apart?  I sure have!  yours is now 15 yrs 
old, and sat exposed for however long until the bank got windows put in.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 26, 2017 at 8:43 PM
From what I am reading they say OSB is better than plywood.  Not sure 
I buy that.  I have seen 7/8 listed as an os size on online.  I am not 
sure why they used this size unless it was common when this house was 
built in 02. Going to have to check the local lumber yard in the 
morning.  The depot and Lowes does not have it.




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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

From what I am reading they say OSB is better than plywood.  Not sure I 
buy that.  I have seen 7/8 listed as an os size on online.  I am not 
sure why they used this size unless it was common when this house was 
built in 02. Going to have to check the local lumber yard in the 
morning.  The depot and Lowes does not have it.



On 2/26/2017 7:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I've never even heard of 7/8" thick OSB CTC crap.Now I have

Aren't you LUCKY!


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 26, 2017 at 7:27 PM
Well I am really a dumb ass. After cutting up a $60 piece of plywood 
and jacking around with it most of the day I had the bright idea to 
just crawl under the repair area to see what the adjoining subfloor 
was stamped. It's 7/8. Wow sure would have saved me a lot of time and 
money if I did that to start with.


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've never even heard of 7/8" thick OSB CTC crap.Now I have

Aren't you LUCKY!


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 26, 2017 at 7:27 PM
Well I am really a dumb ass. After cutting up a $60 piece of plywood 
and jacking around with it most of the day I had the bright idea to 
just crawl under the repair area to see what the adjoining subfloor 
was stamped. It's 7/8. Wow sure would have saved me a lot of time and 
money if I did that to start with.


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If underlayment was 1/4, that would be perfect.

How about this?  23/32 OSB (cheat the consumer) crap then 1/4" 4x8 
sheets of cement board, with the joints staggered?


New acronym:  OSB CTC  for cheat the consumer!  7/16 for 1/2 plywood 
sheeting.  How's that for CTC too?




MG via Mercedes 
February 26, 2017 at 6:24 PM
Try layering a piece of the new thinner cheat the consumer 3/4 and a 
piece of cheating 3/8 and you might be just about right.






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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I believe that OSB crap is the most dimensionally unstable wood product 
ever invented or sawed.  7/16 sheeting becomes 5/8 thick after being in 
the normal air for a couple years and stabilizing.  Is there a vapor 
barrier under the floor?  I am guessing you have the cheaped out 3/4 OSB 
crap (23/32) and it has swollen to 1"Real 3/4" plywood is 10 times 
better, especially for floors.  Of course if you live in parts of CA, AZ 
or NV, ymmv in the desert.  I suspect over the next 20-50 years there 
will be a whole lot of that crap torn out and replaced.  Not an easy 
proposition when the whole building is built on the deck covered with OSB.


They used sawdust glued together with urea-formaldahyde or worse, water 
soluble glue in trailer houses for years.a few drops of water and 
you get a hole in the floor.  Bad deal.


And now they have priced 3/4 plywood out o sight.   Not good!

I think the 3/4 AWWF (.60) treated plywood might be cheaper than plain 
plywood if you are building a house and buying 20 or more sheets at a 
time.  The folks that use plywood for basement walls need to be 
competitive.  About 5 yrs ago it was very competitive with regular 
plywood and not much more than the OSB crap.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 26, 2017 at 5:24 PM
Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which 
appeared to be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I 
measured our existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such 
thing as 1". We took it back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I 
was reading it wrong by an 8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got 
it home cut to fit and where as the trim base boards around the rest 
of the room have a gap big enough for the previous tile and will allow 
the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor fits right up with the trim 
board with no room, it is obviously is just a little thicker than what 
is in the house. So our options appear to be to either leave it as is 
and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge of the 
pergo, or we are going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm 
afraid it may be way too short compared to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?


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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I am really a dumb ass. After cutting up a $60 piece of plywood and 
jacking around with it most of the day I had the bright idea to just crawl 
under the repair area to see what the adjoining subfloor was stamped. It's 7/8. 
Wow sure would have saved me a lot of time and money if I did that to start 
with.

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> On Feb 26, 2017, at 6:24 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Try layering a piece of the new thinner cheat the consumer 3/4 and a piece of 
> cheating 3/8 and you might be just about right.
> 
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to 
>> be too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our 
>> existing floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it 
>> back and got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th 
>> of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as the 
>> trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for the 
>> previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor fits 
>> right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little 
>> thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to either 
>> leave it as is and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge 
>> of the pergo, or we are going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm 
>> afraid it may be way too short compared to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lumber question

[MG via Mercedes]

Try layering a piece of the new thinner cheat the consumer 3/4 
and a piece of cheating 3/8 and you might be just about right.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to be too thin 
compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our existing floor I get 1". 
There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it back and got the 1 1/8 which I 
figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th of an inch on the measuring tape. Got it 
home cut to fit and where as the trim base boards around the rest of the room have a gap 
big enough for the previous tile and will allow the pergo to slide up under, this 
subfloor fits right up with the trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little 
thicker than what is in the house. So our options appear to be to either leave it as is 
and use quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge of the pergo, or we are 
going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm afraid it may be way too short compared 
to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?

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[MBZ] Lumber question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yesterday while at Lowes we bought 23/32 osb subflooring which appeared to be 
too thin compared to the subfloor in the house. When I measured our existing 
floor I get 1". There appears to be no such thing as 1". We took it back and 
got the 1 1/8 which I figure maybe I was reading it wrong by an 8th of an inch 
on the measuring tape. Got it home cut to fit and where as the trim base boards 
around the rest of the room have a gap big enough for the previous tile and 
will allow the pergo to slide up under, this subfloor fits right up with the 
trim board with no room, it is obviously is just a little thicker than what is 
in the house. So our options appear to be to either leave it as is and use 
quarter round along the baseboard to secure the edge of the pergo, or we are 
going to have to go back with the smaller and I'm afraid it may be way too 
short compared to the adjacent subflooring. Wtf?

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