Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If I had to I would just coil up any excess line.

-D


> On Oct 4, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 4, 2017 at 5:22 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That makes sense.  I was just trying to understand where the gas was being 
>> held until it flooded the system.
> 
> If you 'pump down' a system for disassembly by running it with the liquid 
> line service valve closed, it mostly ends up in the condenser coil. 
> 
>> 
>> Should I choose to do this, I’ll be able to run very short lines.  My 
>> condenser will be on the other side of the exterior wall from the evaporator 
>> at ground level, maybe 6 feet below it.
> 
> There's a minimum line length specification listed in the installation 
> manual, usually around 10-15'. Going below that can result in overcharge 
> (easy to resolve if you have a way to weigh the refrigerant you take out) or 
> cause vibration issues in the indoor unit.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 4, 2017 at 5:22 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That makes sense.  I was just trying to understand where the gas was being 
> held until it flooded the system.

If you 'pump down' a system for disassembly by running it with the liquid line 
service valve closed, it mostly ends up in the condenser coil. 

> 
> Should I choose to do this, I’ll be able to run very short lines.  My 
> condenser will be on the other side of the exterior wall from the evaporator 
> at ground level, maybe 6 feet below it.

There's a minimum line length specification listed in the installation manual, 
usually around 10-15'. Going below that can result in overcharge (easy to 
resolve if you have a way to weigh the refrigerant you take out) or cause 
vibration issues in the indoor unit.

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

You mean accumulator? Some outdoor units have filter/dryers in them, but 
receiver/dryers like you might see in a car aren't commonly there. 

Few A/C units and not all heat pumps have accumulators. 
Mine (heat pump) has a suction line accumulator in it to keep liquid from 
entering the compressor in cold weather, but I'm pretty sure most of the charge 
was in the condenser coil when the freight company dropped it off at my house. 

As Rich said, everybody in the trade calls the outdoor unit the condenser. 
https://www.acwholesalers.com/Air-Conditioner-Condenser/cat1000.ac?mainCat=cat1027=cat1006

Mitch.
> On October 4, 2017 at 5:28 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bt!The condenser is the coil on the outside of the building.  
> What you mean is that you then open the valve on the receiver (tank).

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Well it is all in the unit outside, call it what you want, my guy called 
it the condenser unit, and that whole unit has the gas tank and 
controller and fans and compressor and whatever else inside the box.  
The indoor head unit just blows out hot or cold whenever you tell it you 
want hot or cold, nothing but a fan and coil in there (and a drip tray 
to collect the condensate in the summer), and some control thingie to 
tell the outside unit what it wants and how much to blow the fan and 
arrange the louvers.


--R


On 10/4/17 5:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Bt! The condenser is the coil on the outside of the building.  
What you mean is that you then open the valve on the receiver (tank). 
The receiver, compressor, condenser and blower (fan), along with some 
controls (relay, capacitors, etc) are located outide the building in 
one covered unit.


Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Once you get a good vacuum then you can open the gas tap on the 
condenser and it floods the system with the gas. 



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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Bt!The condenser is the coil on the outside of the building.  
What you mean is that you then open the valve on the receiver (tank).  
The receiver, compressor, condenser and blower (fan), along with some 
controls (relay, capacitors, etc) are located outide the building in one 
covered unit.


Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Once you get a good vacuum then you can open the gas tap on the 
condenser and it floods the system with the gas. 



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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That makes sense.  I was just trying to understand where the gas was being held 
until it flooded the system.

Should I choose to do this, I’ll be able to run very short lines.  My condenser 
will be on the other side of the exterior wall from the evaporator at ground 
level, maybe 6 feet below it.

-D


> On Oct 4, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure I understand that explanation, so I'll throw in my own.
> 
> The condenser unit (the outdoor unit) comes filled with gas.  You hook up 
> your lines to the condenser and the head unit(s), there is a tap on the 
> condenser to attach a vacuum to.  So you pull the vacuum which evacuates all 
> the lines and the head units (and hope there are no leaks or you need to go 
> back and check your connections).  Once you get a good vacuum then you can 
> open the gas tap on the condenser and it floods the system with the gas. 
> Check pressures, add more gas if necessary (if you have extra long lines).  
> You should be heating or cooling or whatever you want to do.
> 
> My guy put some nitrogen in there at first to see if the system would also 
> hold pressure, you can test the connections with some soapy water to see if 
> any are leaking (I had one connection on one of the systems that did not seat 
> well, could hear it hissing, bled off the nitrogen and refit it, then 
> pressurized again, it was OK to go), if not then bleed the N and pull the 
> vacuum.
> 
> --R
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I'm not sure I understand that explanation, so I'll throw in my own.

The condenser unit (the outdoor unit) comes filled with gas.  You hook 
up your lines to the condenser and the head unit(s), there is a tap on 
the condenser to attach a vacuum to.  So you pull the vacuum which 
evacuates all the lines and the head units (and hope there are no leaks 
or you need to go back and check your connections).  Once you get a good 
vacuum then you can open the gas tap on the condenser and it floods the 
system with the gas. Check pressures, add more gas if necessary (if you 
have extra long lines).  You should be heating or cooling or whatever 
you want to do.


My guy put some nitrogen in there at first to see if the system would 
also hold pressure, you can test the connections with some soapy water 
to see if any are leaking (I had one connection on one of the systems 
that did not seat well, could hear it hissing, bled off the nitrogen and 
refit it, then pressurized again, it was OK to go), if not then bleed 
the N and pull the vacuum.


--R


On 10/4/17 4:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
It is sealed in the receiver.  This is the way all commercial systems 
are moved.  Close the receiver outlet.  Pump the system dry, close the 
receiver inlet valve.  Open and cap the lines.  move. reinstall. pull 
vacuum.  open receiver valves.


In your case, foe a new one, you only need the last 3 steps.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM
I”m curious - how are the lines precharged, and how do you pull a 
vacuum without releasing the refrigerant?


I could easily do this myself, as I’ve got all the tools. I see a 
12,000 BTU 240VAC split for a little over $600. I can justify that.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is sealed in the receiver.  This is the way all commercial systems 
are moved.  Close the receiver outlet.  Pump the system dry, close the 
receiver inlet valve.  Open and cap the lines.  move. reinstall. pull 
vacuum.  open receiver valves.


In your case, foe a new one, you only need the last 3 steps.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2017 at 4:43 PM
I”m curious - how are the lines precharged, and how do you pull a 
vacuum without releasing the refrigerant?


I could easily do this myself, as I’ve got all the tools. I see a 
12,000 BTU 240VAC split for a little over $600. I can justify that.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If I was to do this, the exterior unit would be right outside where the 
interior unit would be, so I don’t think I would need anything other than the 
stock line set.  I would need to run a 120 or 240 line over from the 
distribution panel, which is on the opposite wall.  Attic is easily accessible 
for this purpose, and I have at least one double-gang opening left in the 
distribution panel.

I’m not sure that it matters, but around here ALL AC work has to be permitted.  
I’m not sure if that’s the case if you do it yourself.  I’ll have to be careful 
about asking, as I don’t want to expose myself to a visit from a building 
inspector and a fine for not pulling a permit.  Because it’s not for a living 
area it might not be covered by the local ordinances.


I like this.  Might be a good winter project.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I”m curious - how are the lines precharged, and how do you pull a vacuum 
> without releasing the refrigerant?

Precharged lines are kind of history now I believe. 

Anyway, with minisplits it's all flare fittings so the manufacturer doesn't 
have to worry about some idiot getting oxidized copper flakes in the system 
from brazing the fittings with air in the lines. Hook everything up, pull a 
hard vacuum on the lines and evaporator, ideally you put a micron gauge on it 
and make sure it holds vacuum, then open the service valves and fire it up, 
unless your line set is too long and you have to add a few ounces of R410a to 
compensate.

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Dan, you can very easily do this yourself... I've done it many times.  I
have systems running in our home, the garage, and a few friends house now.
You can use an R12 gauge set if you don't have a R-410.  (I actually use my
R410 set on my R12 cars now).

I ended up with a wholesale account at the local Fujitsu dealer by flashing
my automotive AC license.  Pricing is quite a bit lower than the units sell
for online.  I don't think the additional cost of a name brand unit is
worth it for your application, but it might be worth looking into at least
to see what the difference really us.  I needed a modern system that had
low temperature heating capability, so I wanted a top brand that will
actually work when its 0F outside!

Jaime


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I”m curious - how are the lines precharged, and how do you pull a vacuum
> without releasing the refrigerant?
>
> I could easily do this myself, as I’ve got all the tools.  I see a 12,000
> BTU 240VAC split for a little over $600.  I can justify that.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The new units come precharged.  You should pull a vacuum (and check for
> leaks) before releasing the charge into the rest of the lines.  The kits
> include copper the lines but you'll need a GOOD flare tool if you plan to
> shorten them.  There are many youtube vidoes on installation but the basic
> procedure is (1) drill the big hole (like 1.5 in) through the wall, (2)
> hang the inside bracket, (3) unfold the short lines and hand the inside
> unit, (4) place the outside unit, (5) connect Freon lines, (6) connect
> wires, (7) evacuate, and (8) release Freon (actually R410A).
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

For my unit, the condenser (outdoor unit that includes compressor) was 
pre-charged (for 25 ft lines) and it had two service valves to release the 
charge into the rest of the system.  The copper tubes and air handler (indoor 
unit) were not charged and the air had to be evacuated from them before 
releasing the charge. One of the service valves (on condenser) had a service 
port for the vacuum pump.  The two tricky parts (IMO) were bending the tubing 
without kinking it and re-flaring tubing if you shortened it.  A cheapie flare 
tool may cause a leak.

Also in my case, the building had non-standard stud spacing, which made things 
harder.  I also mounted he condenser on the outside wall (vs on a pad) which 
was tricky (studs, again).

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Bennell via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 6:00 PM
> To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC
> 
> Scott will have to come online and tell you what he knows but I will chime
> in anyway.
> I installed AC in my house in about 1984 using a system that came
> precharged. I hooked up the outside unit to electric power and installed the
> coil in the furnace plenum and ran the precharged copper pipes from the
> outside unit to the inside unit. I believe all were sealed and that when I
> cranked on the fittings on the ends of the pipes to the coil etc, it broke
> seals in the ends of the 2 parts and left it in a condition where it was
> ready to use. I did not have a wrench big enough for the fittings and bought
> a big crescent wrench which I still have. We ran that system until about
> 1987 without any issues. In 87 we added on to the house and had to move the
> outside unit so it was reconnected with longer lines and recharged. It ran
> fine until about 2 years ago when we replaced the furnace with a more
> efficient one and decided to do the AC at the same time. It was only looked
> at once in all those years and the tech declared it to be fine and not
> require any freon. I hope the new system that we installed 2 years ago lasts
> as long. You folks down south no doubt work your AC much harder than we do
> here in the GWN.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 03/10/2017 4:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I”m curious - how are the lines precharged, and how do you pull a vacuum
> without releasing the refrigerant?
> >
> > I could easily do this myself, as I’ve got all the tools.  I see a 12,000
> BTU 240VAC split for a little over $600.  I can justify that.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Oct 3, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The new units come precharged.  You should pull a vacuum (and check for
> leaks) before releasing the charge into the rest of the lines.  The kits
> include copper the lines but you'll need a GOOD flare tool if you plan to
> shorten them.  There are many youtube vidoes on installation but the basic
> procedure is (1) drill the big hole (like 1.5 in) through the wall, (2) hang
> the inside bracket, (3) unfold the short lines and hand the inside unit, (4)
> place the outside unit, (5) connect Freon lines, (6) connect wires, (7)
> evacuate, and (8) release Freon (actually R410A).
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Scott will have to come online and tell you what he knows but I will 
chime in anyway.
I installed AC in my house in about 1984 using a system that came 
precharged. I hooked up the outside unit to electric power and installed 
the coil in the furnace plenum and ran the precharged copper pipes from 
the outside unit to the inside unit. I believe all were sealed and that 
when I cranked on the fittings on the ends of the pipes to the coil etc, 
it broke seals in the ends of the 2 parts and left it in a condition 
where it was ready to use. I did not have a wrench big enough for the 
fittings and bought a big crescent wrench which I still have. We ran 
that system until about 1987 without any issues. In 87 we added on to 
the house and had to move the outside unit so it was reconnected with 
longer lines and recharged. It ran fine until about 2 years ago when we 
replaced the furnace with a more efficient one and decided to do the AC 
at the same time. It was only looked at once in all those years and the 
tech declared it to be fine and not require any freon. I hope the new 
system that we installed 2 years ago lasts as long. You folks down south 
no doubt work your AC much harder than we do here in the GWN.


RB

On 03/10/2017 4:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I”m curious - how are the lines precharged, and how do you pull a vacuum 
without releasing the refrigerant?

I could easily do this myself, as I’ve got all the tools.  I see a 12,000 BTU 
240VAC split for a little over $600.  I can justify that.

-D


On Oct 3, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  
wrote:

The new units come precharged.  You should pull a vacuum (and check for leaks) 
before releasing the charge into the rest of the lines.  The kits include 
copper the lines but you'll need a GOOD flare tool if you plan to shorten them. 
 There are many youtube vidoes on installation but the basic procedure is (1) 
drill the big hole (like 1.5 in) through the wall, (2) hang the inside bracket, 
(3) unfold the short lines and hand the inside unit, (4) place the outside 
unit, (5) connect Freon lines, (6) connect wires, (7) evacuate, and (8) release 
Freon (actually R410A).


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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I”m curious - how are the lines precharged, and how do you pull a vacuum 
without releasing the refrigerant?

I could easily do this myself, as I’ve got all the tools.  I see a 12,000 BTU 
240VAC split for a little over $600.  I can justify that.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The new units come precharged.  You should pull a vacuum (and check for 
> leaks) before releasing the charge into the rest of the lines.  The kits 
> include copper the lines but you'll need a GOOD flare tool if you plan to 
> shorten them.  There are many youtube vidoes on installation but the basic 
> procedure is (1) drill the big hole (like 1.5 in) through the wall, (2) hang 
> the inside bracket, (3) unfold the short lines and hand the inside unit, (4) 
> place the outside unit, (5) connect Freon lines, (6) connect wires, (7) 
> evacuate, and (8) release Freon (actually R410A).


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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 00:05:58 -0400
Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  wrote:

> Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in my 
> barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online from an 
> outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price (IMO).   
> 
> We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and (as 
> far as I can tell) they are identical.  
> 
> Scott
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There are several manufacturers; the first one many years ago was Fujitsu IIRC. 
One says "engineered in Japan" which may mean its manufactured elsewhere; 
probably Korea or China.

https://d-airconditioning.com/collections/japanese

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

That would probably be the way to go, though those units are probably 
not quite as efficient, but if you aren't using it much you probably 
wouldn't care.


--R


On 10/3/17 3:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That's an option. I do have a window in the garage I could use.


On Oct 3, 2017, at 3:25 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

Might as well get a window unit and put it into a hole through the wall. Would 
be a lot cheaper. Probably 3-400 on sale or less.

MG

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much
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On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found 
used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of extra 
months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load of a 
hot car added in.

-D


On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
some work done during the extremes.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
(IMO).

We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
(as far as I can tell) they are identical.

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Yes it is quite easy but on mine unless I had an AC guy do it there was 
no warranty coverage on the units.  So I spent the $100 and my guy came 
over and spent about 30min pulling down the system, releasing the gas, 
and then adding a bit more as I have a coupla long lines.  But it is 
easy enough.  You can buy line sets of various lengths, any excess just 
coil them up.  My guy told me not to mess with new flares, they never 
get right.


--R


On 10/3/17 4:19 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

The new units come precharged.  You should pull a vacuum (and check for leaks) 
before releasing the charge into the rest of the lines.  The kits include 
copper the lines but you'll need a GOOD flare tool if you plan to shorten them. 
 There are many youtube vidoes on installation but the basic procedure is (1) 
drill the big hole (like 1.5 in) through the wall, (2) hang the inside bracket, 
(3) unfold the short lines and hand the inside unit, (4) place the outside 
unit, (5) connect Freon lines, (6) connect wires, (7) evacuate, and (8) release 
Freon (actually R410A).


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

9k or 12k BTU units for <$1k

https://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductless-Air-Conditioner-Wall-Mounted-Air-
Conditioners/cat1028.ac?mainCat==

You'll need a bit of piping and to run your power, you'll need to pay an AC guy
to do the final charging if you want the warranty, or just do it yourself if
not.  They are an easy install, basically just cut a small hole in the wall to 
run
the lineset and the drain and comm cable, you need power to the condenser
unit from somewhere (mine are 30A 220V). Easy job really.

--R


On 10/3/17 8:59 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

What's "won't be that much?"

-D


On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found

used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of
extra months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load
of a hot car added in.

-D


On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it
would be really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and
also be able to get some work done during the extremes.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat
pump in my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I
bought it online from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a
very reasonable price (IMO).

We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church
kitchen and (as far as I can tell) they are identical.

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Many variables.  Do some shopping, for example: https://www.highseer.com/


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> Dan--- via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:59 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC
> 
> What's "won't be that much?"
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much
> >
> > --R
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found
> used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of
> extra months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load
> of a hot car added in.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it
> >>> would be really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and
> >>> also be able to get some work done during the extremes.
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat
> >>>>> pump in my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I
> >>>>> bought it online from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a
> >>>>> very reasonable price (IMO).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church
> >>>>> kitchen and (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scott
> >>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The new units come precharged.  You should pull a vacuum (and check for leaks) 
before releasing the charge into the rest of the lines.  The kits include 
copper the lines but you'll need a GOOD flare tool if you plan to shorten them. 
 There are many youtube vidoes on installation but the basic procedure is (1) 
drill the big hole (like 1.5 in) through the wall, (2) hang the inside bracket, 
(3) unfold the short lines and hand the inside unit, (4) place the outside 
unit, (5) connect Freon lines, (6) connect wires, (7) evacuate, and (8) release 
Freon (actually R410A).

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Rich Thomas via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 9:57 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC
> 
> 9k or 12k BTU units for <$1k
> 
> https://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductless-Air-Conditioner-Wall-Mounted-Air-
> Conditioners/cat1028.ac?mainCat==
> 
> You'll need a bit of piping and to run your power, you'll need to pay an AC 
> guy
> to do the final charging if you want the warranty, or just do it yourself if
> not.  They are an easy install, basically just cut a small hole in the wall 
> to run
> the lineset and the drain and comm cable, you need power to the condenser
> unit from somewhere (mine are 30A 220V). Easy job really.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 10/3/17 8:59 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > What's "won't be that much?"
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much
> >>
> >> --R
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found
> used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of
> extra months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load
> of a hot car added in.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it
> >>>> would be really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and
> >>>> also be able to get some work done during the extremes.
> >>>>
> >>>> -
> >>>> Max
> >>>> Charleston SC
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
> >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat
> >>>>>> pump in my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I
> >>>>>> bought it online from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a
> >>>>>> very reasonable price (IMO).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church
> >>>>>> kitchen and (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That's an option. I do have a window in the garage I could use.

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 3:25 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Might as well get a window unit and put it into a hole through the wall. 
> Would be a lot cheaper. Probably 3-400 on sale or less.
> 
> MG
> 
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found 
>>> used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of 
>>> extra months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat 
>>> load of a hot car added in.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
 really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
 some work done during the extremes.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.
> 
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
>> my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
>> from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
>> (IMO).
>> 
>> We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
>> (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
>> 
>> Scott
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[MG via Mercedes]

Might as well get a window unit and put it into a hole through 
the wall. Would be a lot cheaper. Probably 3-400 on sale or less.


MG

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found 
used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of extra 
months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load of a 
hot car added in.

-D


On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
some work done during the extremes.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
(IMO).

We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
(as far as I can tell) they are identical.

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

9k or 12k BTU units for <$1k

https://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductless-Air-Conditioner-Wall-Mounted-Air-Conditioners/cat1028.ac?mainCat==

You'll need a bit of piping and to run your power, you'll need to pay an 
AC guy to do the final charging if you want the warranty, or just do it 
yourself if not.  They are an easy install, basically just cut a small 
hole in the wall to run the lineset and the drain and comm cable, you 
need power to the condenser unit from somewhere (mine are 30A 220V).  
Easy job really.


--R


On 10/3/17 8:59 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

What's "won't be that much?"

-D


On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found 
used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of extra 
months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load of a 
hot car added in.

-D


On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
some work done during the extremes.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
(IMO).

We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
(as far as I can tell) they are identical.

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

What's "won't be that much?"

-D

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found 
>> used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of 
>> extra months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat 
>> load of a hot car added in.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
>>> really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
>>> some work done during the extremes.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.
 
 On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
> Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
> my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
> from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
> (IMO).
> 
> We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
> (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
> 
> Scott
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

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Get a single head unit 12k BTU, won’t be that much

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> On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found 
> used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of 
> extra months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load 
> of a hot car added in.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
>> really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
>> some work done during the extremes.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
 my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
 from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
 (IMO).
 
 We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
 (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I know these are relatively inexpensive, but I wonder if they can be found 
used? It would be great to make my garage habitable for even a couple of extra 
months a year.  I just wonder how well it would cope with the heat load of a 
hot car added in.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
> really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
> some work done during the extremes.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
>>> my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
>>> from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
>>> (IMO).
>>> 
>>> We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
>>> (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
>>> 
>>> Scott
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I've been thinking about installing one of those in my garage, it would be
really nice to drop the humidity down in the summer and also be able to get
some work done during the extremes.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
> > my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
> > from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
> > (IMO).
> >
> > We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
> > (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
> >
> > Scott
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Re: [MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Interesting. All built in the same factory I am sure.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in
> my barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online
> from an outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price
> (IMO).
>
> We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and
> (as far as I can tell) they are identical.
>
> Scott
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[MBZ] Mini Split HVAC

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Last year I installed a 1200 BTU “Pioneer” brand mini-split heat pump in my 
barn (to control humidity and prevent freezing).  I bought it online from an 
outfit called HighSEER.com, in FL, for a very reasonable price (IMO).   

We just installed a “Trane” mini-split system in the church kitchen and (as far 
as I can tell) they are identical.  

Scott

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