subject:"\[MBZ\] More on from the global warming conspiracy front"

Yeah, I know. They're hydro carbons after all. The deniers claim its
preposterous that water comes out of combustion despite all the evidence...
-Curt
From: OK Don
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

The water comes from the burning of fuel = CO2 and H2O. The temp is -30 to -70
up there - doesn't take long to cool the hot burning gas into water droplets,
then ice crystals.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:

Oh man, there are a million conspiracy theories about contrails which the
wackos refer to as "chem-trails".
Even my wife has been caught up in them. I explain "they're water" and she says
"Where does the water come from?" and then claims I can't explain that. She's
not even really a nut, some of her friends however...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

I quit using major anti-perspirants when it developed that a common constituent 
was carcinogenic and started using "Toms", which has become popular enough that 
it can be found in nearly any drugstore or supermarket.
It was developed in Maine, and seems to be less irritating and longer lasting 
than other antiperspirants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_of_Maine
Gerry

Curt Raymond wrote:

> IIRC they're finding significant aluminum in the brains of alzheimer's 
> patients. The problem is that nobody knows if the aluminum causes alzheimer's 
> or if people with alzheimer's just collect aluminum...
> I quit using antiperspirant a couple years ago when I was getting a 
> significant tic. The tic went away for awhile but I noticed it back the other 
> day. I think its related to my getting enough sleep. Still not sure about 
> antiperspirant...
> -Curt
> 
>   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>  Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 12:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front
>
> By the early '60s nearly everyone was cooking in aluminum pots and pans that 
> became cheap and widely available after WW-2. That, coupled with the 
> widespread use of aluminum salts in anti-acid drugs, (this was before 
> omeprezole and ranitidine had been developed) resulted in a number of studies 
> being done on aluminum toxicity. The results showed that there was no 
> significant toxicity. Currently Aluminum toxicity is a problem for dialysis 
> patients but not for healthy people. Of course, the long term effect of 
> aluminum ingestion may turn out to be significant just like the long term 
> effect of minimal exposure to heavy metals finally became apparent  many 
> years ago.
> Gerry
>  
> OK Don wrote:
> 
> > A neighbor who is a conspiracy nut, says that there are Government planes
> > flying around spreading aluminum powder in the stratosphere to reflect
> > sunlight away, thus reducing global warming. You can see them when you see
> > a contrail that extends from horizon to horizon. The conspiracy part is
> > that the aluminum falls to earth and poisons our food and water supplies,
> > the Government knows this, but doesn't care.
> > 
> > To Grant's theory about the magnetic poles changing and the magnetic flux
> > weakening, thus letting more cosmic rays in, I think he's onto something.
> > No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation since
> > cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
> > with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
> > naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
> > radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
> > electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
> > devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
> > be allowed.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> > > particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> > > reflect some sunlight back into space.
> > > --
> > > Max Dillon
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The water comes from the burning of fuel = CO2 and H2O. The temp is -30 to
-70 up there - doesn't take long to cool the hot burning gas into water
droplets, then ice crystals.


On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh man, there are a million conspiracy theories about contrails which the
> wackos refer to as "chem-trails".
> Even my wife has been caught up in them. I explain "they're water" and she
> says "Where does the water come from?" and then claims I can't explain
> that. She's not even really a nut, some of her friends however...
> -Curt
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

I watched "Bull Durham" yesterday, I agree with Crash...

-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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List  
 Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front
   
Who thinks Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating JFK?

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ROFL!!! We DIYers should make our own.
> Gerry
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
> > http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
> > --R
> >
> > On 3/21/15 12:13 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > > There are a number of articles related to: "electro-MAGNETIC waves
> destroying magnetic flux shield", on Bing and probably other search
> engines. It appears that magnetism is used to control radio and radar waves
> instead of the opposite. Permanent magnets control intense electro-magnetic
> waves in radar emitting devices, for example. Gaussmeters should be
> sensitive enough nowadays to measure the earths magnetic shield precisely,
> I would think.
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > > OK Don wrote:
> > > (snip) No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic
> radiation since
> > >> cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves,
> coupled
> > >> with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
> > >> naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of
> un-licensed
> > >> radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
> > >> electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80%
> of the
> > >> devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators
> should
> > >> be allowed.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> > >>> particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> > >>> reflect some sunlight back into space.
> > >>> --
> > >>> Max Dillon
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >> OK Don, KD5NRO, a licensed radiator of electro-magnetic energy, able
> to
> > >> communicate around the world with 10 watts of power!
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Who thinks Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating JFK?

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ROFL!!! We DIYers should make our own.
> Gerry
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
> > http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
> > --R
> >
> > On 3/21/15 12:13 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > > There are a number of articles related to: "electro-MAGNETIC waves
> destroying magnetic flux shield", on Bing and probably other search
> engines. It appears that magnetism is used to control radio and radar waves
> instead of the opposite. Permanent magnets control intense electro-magnetic
> waves in radar emitting devices, for example. Gaussmeters should be
> sensitive enough nowadays to measure the earths magnetic shield precisely,
> I would think.
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > > OK Don wrote:
> > > (snip) No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic
> radiation since
> > >> cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves,
> coupled
> > >> with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
> > >> naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of
> un-licensed
> > >> radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
> > >> electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80%
> of the
> > >> devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators
> should
> > >> be allowed.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> > >>> particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> > >>> reflect some sunlight back into space.
> > >>> --
> > >>> Max Dillon
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >> OK Don, KD5NRO, a licensed radiator of electro-magnetic energy, able
> to
> > >> communicate around the world with 10 watts of power!
> > >> ___
> > >> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

ROFL!!! We DIYers should make our own.
Gerry

Rich Thomas wrote:
> http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
> --R
> 
> On 3/21/15 12:13 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > There are a number of articles related to: "electro-MAGNETIC waves 
> > destroying magnetic flux shield", on Bing and probably other search 
> > engines. It appears that magnetism is used to control radio and radar waves 
> > instead of the opposite. Permanent magnets control intense electro-magnetic 
> > waves in radar emitting devices, for example. Gaussmeters should be 
> > sensitive enough nowadays to measure the earths magnetic shield precisely, 
> > I would think.
> > Gerry
> >
> > OK Don wrote:
> > (snip) No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation 
> > since
> >> cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
> >> with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
> >> naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
> >> radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
> >> electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
> >> devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
> >> be allowed.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> >>> particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> >>> reflect some sunlight back into space.
> >>> --
> >>> Max Dillon
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >> OK Don, KD5NRO, a licensed radiator of electro-magnetic energy, able to
> >> communicate around the world with 10 watts of power!
> >> ___
> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes


Says the 80something year old guy!

People in the developed world are living much longer healthier lives 
despite all these "toxins" we are being subjected to.  I suppose if we 
lived a life free of "toxins" we could be immortal!


--R



On 3/21/15 12:59 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Of course, the long term effect of aluminum ingestion may turn out to be 
significant just like the long term effect of minimal exposure to heavy metals 
finally became apparent  many years ago.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

IIRC they're finding significant aluminum in the brains of alzheimer's 
patients. The problem is that nobody knows if the aluminum causes alzheimer's 
or if people with alzheimer's just collect aluminum...
I quit using antiperspirant a couple years ago when I was getting a significant 
tic. The tic went away for awhile but I noticed it back the other day. I think 
its related to my getting enough sleep. Still not sure about antiperspirant...
-Curt

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 Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 12:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front
   
By the early '60s nearly everyone was cooking in aluminum pots and pans that 
became cheap and widely available after WW-2. That, coupled with the widespread 
use of aluminum salts in anti-acid drugs, (this was before omeprezole and 
ranitidine had been developed) resulted in a number of studies being done on 
aluminum toxicity. The results showed that there was no significant toxicity. 
Currently Aluminum toxicity is a problem for dialysis patients but not for 
healthy people. Of course, the long term effect of aluminum ingestion may turn 
out to be significant just like the long term effect of minimal exposure to 
heavy metals finally became apparent  many years ago.
Gerry
 
OK Don wrote:

> A neighbor who is a conspiracy nut, says that there are Government planes
> flying around spreading aluminum powder in the stratosphere to reflect
> sunlight away, thus reducing global warming. You can see them when you see
> a contrail that extends from horizon to horizon. The conspiracy part is
> that the aluminum falls to earth and poisons our food and water supplies,
> the Government knows this, but doesn't care.
> 
> To Grant's theory about the magnetic poles changing and the magnetic flux
> weakening, thus letting more cosmic rays in, I think he's onto something.
> No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation since
> cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
> with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
> naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
> radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
> electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
> devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
> be allowed.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> > particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> > reflect some sunlight back into space.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> OK Don, KD5NRO, a licensed radiator of electro-magnetic energy, able to
> communicate around the world with 10 watts of power!
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

By the early '60s nearly everyone was cooking in aluminum pots and pans that 
became cheap and widely available after WW-2. That, coupled with the widespread 
use of aluminum salts in anti-acid drugs, (this was before omeprezole and 
ranitidine had been developed) resulted in a number of studies being done on 
aluminum toxicity. The results showed that there was no significant toxicity. 
Currently Aluminum toxicity is a problem for dialysis patients but not for 
healthy people. Of course, the long term effect of aluminum ingestion may turn 
out to be significant just like the long term effect of minimal exposure to 
heavy metals finally became apparent  many years ago.
Gerry
 
OK Don wrote:

> A neighbor who is a conspiracy nut, says that there are Government planes
> flying around spreading aluminum powder in the stratosphere to reflect
> sunlight away, thus reducing global warming. You can see them when you see
> a contrail that extends from horizon to horizon. The conspiracy part is
> that the aluminum falls to earth and poisons our food and water supplies,
> the Government knows this, but doesn't care.
> 
> To Grant's theory about the magnetic poles changing and the magnetic flux
> weakening, thus letting more cosmic rays in, I think he's onto something.
> No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation since
> cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
> with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
> naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
> radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
> electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
> devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
> be allowed.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> > particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> > reflect some sunlight back into space.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> OK Don, KD5NRO, a licensed radiator of electro-magnetic energy, able to
> communicate around the world with 10 watts of power!
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Oh man, there are a million conspiracy theories about contrails which the 
wackos refer to as "chem-trails".
Even my wife has been caught up in them. I explain "they're water" and she says 
"Where does the water come from?" and then claims I can't explain that. She's 
not even really a nut, some of her friends however...
-Curt

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 Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

A neighbor who is a conspiracy nut, says that there are Government planes
flying around spreading aluminum power in the stratosphere to reflect
sunlight away, thus reducing global warming. You can see them when you see
a contrail that extends from horizon to horizon. The conspiracy part is
that the aluminum falls to earth and poisons our food and water supplies,
the Government knows this, but doesn't care.

To Grant's theory about the magnetic poles changing and the magnetic flux
weakening, thus letting more cosmic rays in, I think he's onto something.
No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation since
cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
be allowed.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> reflect some sunlight back into space.
> --
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>
> --
>

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

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On 3/21/15 12:13 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

There are a number of articles related to: "electro-MAGNETIC waves destroying
magnetic flux shield", on Bing and probably other search engines. It appears that
magnetism is used to control radio and radar waves instead of the opposite. Permanent
magnets control intense electro-magnetic waves in radar emitting devices, for example.
Gaussmeters should be sensitive enough nowadays to measure the earths magnetic shield
precisely, I would think.
Gerry

OK Don wrote:
(snip) No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation
since

cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
with all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
be allowed.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Need a faster response? High altitude release of titanium dioxide
particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
reflect some sunlight back into space.
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There are a number of articles related to: "electro-MAGNETIC waves destroying 
magnetic flux shield", on Bing and probably other search engines. It appears 
that magnetism is used to control radio and radar waves instead of the 
opposite. Permanent magnets control intense electro-magnetic waves in radar 
emitting devices, for example. Gaussmeters should be sensitive enough nowadays 
to measure the earths magnetic shield precisely, I would think.
Gerry

OK Don wrote:
(snip) No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation 
since
> cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
> with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
> naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
> radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
> electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
> devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
> be allowed.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> > particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> > reflect some sunlight back into space.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> >
> > --
> >
> 
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

A neighbor who is a conspiracy nut, says that there are Government planes
flying around spreading aluminum power in the stratosphere to reflect
sunlight away, thus reducing global warming. You can see them when you see
a contrail that extends from horizon to horizon. The conspiracy part is
that the aluminum falls to earth and poisons our food and water supplies,
the Government knows this, but doesn't care.

To Grant's theory about the magnetic poles changing and the magnetic flux
weakening, thus letting more cosmic rays in, I think he's onto something.
No one has addresses the HUGE increase in electro-magnetic radiation since
cell phones became main stream. All those electro-MAGNETIC waves, coupled
with  all the WiFi, are destroying the magnetic flux shield that earth
naturally has in place! I blame it all on the HUGE number of un-licensed
radios in place. I posit that if we out-lawed all un-licensed
electro-magnetic radiation, the problem would go away as soon as 80% of the
devices were powered down. Only licensed elecrto-magnetic radiators should
be allowed.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide
> particles small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time,
> reflect some sunlight back into space.
> --
> Max Dillon
>
> --
>

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Gerry wrote:
> The longest journey begins with one step.

Let's get this started.
I like your suggestion.
I agree with your approach.
mao

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2015-03-20 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Andrew wrote:
> Just shoot the messenger.

What can be done?
Solutions demand unacceptable political and economic changes.
Even if a solution became acceptable, how long would solution
implementation need to be in place to stop the current inevitable
event?  Both shrill voices on each side are in the process of shooting
the messenger.  Both shrill voices are moot.
There is no solution.
So we shrill at each other - it is all hollywood and okiebenz.
mao

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A truly statistically insignificant sample

clay


"Doesn't matter, so long as it supports our lie, er, a, point!"


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2015-03-20 Thread clay via Mercedes

Being a conspiracy nut, I am thinking there is a major plan to shuffle people 
off the planet.  We are being crowded into smaller spaces, eating processed 
foods, gobbling up pharmaceuticals, toting electronics, developing bionics, and 
today there were articles about the ethical dilemma now that there is a very 
simple genetic engineering process to allow babies to be tailored.  We can 
build better versions of human to survive in space, all cramped up in tiny 
closets.

clay



On Mar 20, 2015, at 4:07 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> 
>> So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a 
>> problem,
> (Andrew?)
>> 
>> How old is the planet?
> What this list should be doing instead of debating global warmings existence, 
> is to start thinking about workable solutions in case there is such a thing 
> as global warming and its effects are as predicted.
> The first thing to do is eliminate the proposed solutions that cannot be done 
> such as as reducing pollution by significantly restricting the use of fossil 
> fuels. Fossil fuels have been the basis of mankinds progress since the 
> beginning of the industrial age about 200 years ago and there are no energy 
> sources that can effectively replace them now.
> Solar energy is obviously the best hope. If every DIYer on this list put some 
> sort of solar panel on his roof; no matter how small; it would be a start. 
> The longest journey begins with one step.
> Gerry
> 
>> 
>> USE a SPC control chart and do the math correctly.  the numbers will 
>> tell us how much data we need to bring the control levels into 
>> acceptable levels.  WHat level do you want?  6 sigma?  4? 2 sigma?
>> 
>> Based on what the darwinist "science" tells us, the earf is millions 
>> of years old.  so it would probably take hundreds of thousands of 
>> years of data to produce a good control chart.
>> 
>> Personally, I'd guess if you had 10,000 years data, that would 
>> probably suffice.   200 to 300 years data we have is but a blip in 
>> time.  It is insufficient to establish meaningful control limits.
>> 
>> Read Walter Shewhart's book.
> 
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Gerry says:
What this list should be doing >instead of debating 
global >warmings existence, is to start >thinking about 
workable >solutions in case there is such a >thing as global 
warming and its >effects are as predicted.


We need to come up with a workable solution to get around the "Cap 
and Trade" taxes that are coming. Whether human induced climate 
change exists matters none. The taxes are inevitable.  


Rick
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10


Solution for that is the same as most social problems.  Open season 
on la wyers; no bag limit.  Same as proposed in 1981 or so by my 
friend who ran a grain elevator.  IT solves many problems.  since 
most ot the congress and P are la wyers, it would take care of "cap 
and TAX, er I mean Trade" also.



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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Search for cave drawings of daily average temperatures as we speak...

Hm 101.. file not found... Imagine that...

Back to our regular programming... film at 11:00

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:01 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Geologic timeframes.  I would think something like 50k years will provide
> statistically significant data.  As long as there is truly global data
> collected so local data is correlated to all events so a complete picture
> is available.
>
> clay
>
> On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have
> a
> > problem, let alone convinced?  is it worth the risk pretending this
> problem
> > is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
> >>
> >> Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36
> >> years worth of data.
> >>
> >> Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
> >> seen such low ice!!!
> >>
> >> Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially
> >> the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep
> >> their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will
> work
> >> FOR SURE"
> >>
> >> Give me a break
> >>
> >>
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Data?

Actual science is like:

Make a theory

Make a null hypothesis that says something of the sort:  If my theory is
correct, then y condition will occur after x happens.  Set up appropriate
statistical analysis to show that this condition y is not likely to have
happened by chance to a whatever (95%, 99%) probability.

Gather data.  Crunch numbers.

Rinse, repeat.  Let other actual scientists also repeat.

What we have seen so far from the IPCC theories is that the data are
occurring outside the range of predicted results.  That is known in actual
science as "falsifying" the theory.

Greg


And it is all based on faulty "computer models" using faulty or 
falsified, or selected data.  This is to "prove" the intended result 
to themselves and sheeple.


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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread clay via Mercedes

Geologic timeframes.  I would think something like 50k years will provide 
statistically significant data.  As long as there is truly global data 
collected so local data is correlated to all events so a complete picture is 
available.

clay

On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a
> problem, let alone convinced?  is it worth the risk pretending this problem
> is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years?
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
> 
>> Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
>> 
>> Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36
>> years worth of data.
>> 
>> Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
>> seen such low ice!!!
>> 
>> Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially
>> the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep
>> their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will work
>> FOR SURE"
>> 
>> Give me a break
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread clay via Mercedes

A truly statistically insignificant sample

clay

On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

> Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
> 
> Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36 years
> worth of data.
> 
> Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
> seen such low ice!!!
> 
> Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially the
> poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep their
> houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will work FOR
> SURE"
> 
> Give me a break
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I'm all for solar if our legislators didn't prevent us from using it.

That's those of us in the "Sunshine State", I might add.

Dan




> On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gerry,
> 
> Great point.  Easy answer: nuclear.
> 
> Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide particles 
> small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time, reflect some 
> sunlight back into space.
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On March 20, 2015 7:07:30 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> What this list should be doing instead of debating global warmings
>> existence, is to start thinking about workable solutions in case there
>> is such a thing as global warming and its effects are as predicted.
>> The first thing to do is eliminate the proposed solutions that cannot
>> be done such as as reducing pollution by significantly restricting the
>> use of fossil fuels. Fossil fuels have been the basis of mankinds
>> progress since the beginning of the industrial age about 200 years ago
>> and there are no energy sources that can effectively replace them now.
>> Solar energy is obviously the best hope. If every DIYer on this list
>> put some sort of solar panel on his roof; no matter how small; it would
>> be a start. The longest journey begins with one step.
>> Gerry
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Gerry,

Great point.  Easy answer: nuclear.

Need a faster response?  High altitude release of titanium dioxide particles 
small enough to stay aloft for a meaningful period of time, reflect some 
sunlight back into space.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 20, 2015 7:07:30 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>What this list should be doing instead of debating global warmings
>existence, is to start thinking about workable solutions in case there
>is such a thing as global warming and its effects are as predicted.
>The first thing to do is eliminate the proposed solutions that cannot
>be done such as as reducing pollution by significantly restricting the
>use of fossil fuels. Fossil fuels have been the basis of mankinds
>progress since the beginning of the industrial age about 200 years ago
>and there are no energy sources that can effectively replace them now.
>Solar energy is obviously the best hope. If every DIYer on this list
>put some sort of solar panel on his roof; no matter how small; it would
>be a start. The longest journey begins with one step.
>Gerry
>

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

‎Gerry says:
>What this list should be doing >instead of debating global >warmings 
>existence, is to start >thinking about workable >solutions in case there is 
>such a >thing as global warming and its >effects are as predicted.

We need to come up with a workable solution to get around the "Cap and Trade" 
taxes that are coming. Whether human induced climate change exists matters 
none. The taxes are inevitable.  

Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Data?

Actual science is like:

Make a theory

Make a null hypothesis that says something of the sort:  If my theory is
correct, then y condition will occur after x happens.  Set up appropriate
statistical analysis to show that this condition y is not likely to have
happened by chance to a whatever (95%, 99%) probability.

Gather data.  Crunch numbers.

Rinse, repeat.  Let other actual scientists also repeat.

What we have seen so far from the IPCC theories is that the data are
occurring outside the range of predicted results.  That is known in actual
science as "falsifying" the theory.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
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Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 6:19 AM
To: Meade Dillon
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a
problem, let alone convinced?  is it worth the risk pretending this problem
is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
>
> Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36 
> years worth of data.
>
> Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've 
> NEVER seen such low ice!!!
>
> Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans 
> (especially the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy 
> costs to keep their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to 
> work.  THAT will work FOR SURE"
>
> Give me a break
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes



>So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a 
>problem,
(Andrew?)
> 
> How old is the planet?
What this list should be doing instead of debating global warmings existence, 
is to start thinking about workable solutions in case there is such a thing as 
global warming and its effects are as predicted.
The first thing to do is eliminate the proposed solutions that cannot be done 
such as as reducing pollution by significantly restricting the use of fossil 
fuels. Fossil fuels have been the basis of mankinds progress since the 
beginning of the industrial age about 200 years ago and there are no energy 
sources that can effectively replace them now.
Solar energy is obviously the best hope. If every DIYer on this list put some 
sort of solar panel on his roof; no matter how small; it would be a start. The 
longest journey begins with one step.
Gerry

> 
> USE a SPC control chart and do the math correctly.  the numbers will 
> tell us how much data we need to bring the control levels into 
> acceptable levels.  WHat level do you want?  6 sigma?  4? 2 sigma?
> 
> Based on what the darwinist "science" tells us, the earf is millions 
> of years old.  so it would probably take hundreds of thousands of 
> years of data to produce a good control chart.
> 
> Personally, I'd guess if you had 10,000 years data, that would 
> probably suffice.   200 to 300 years data we have is but a blip in 
> time.  It is insufficient to establish meaningful control limits.
> 
> Read Walter Shewhart's book.

Curly
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Fy'all don't watch out, I may hafta throw in another Country Boy Tale.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

Well, I'm going to add some stuff simply because I can't take any more of 
the bickering...it's making my eyes hurt as I read it. Personally, I think 
the Earth may be both warming and cooling. Why, the magnetic poles are 
trying to flip. Now, if you read the science, which according to some on 
this list is either gospel or hocus pocus. Anyway, as the poles flip the 
Earth's magnetic fields strengthen and weaken. If you look at the current 
map of Antarctica, it is experiencing both cooling on one side and warming 
on the other. Again, if you read the stories, when the magnetic fields 
weaken, it lets in more of the cosmic radiation which is an efficient 
source of heating. Now, since the reports indicate that the magnetic 
fields have weakened a good deal since 1900, could this be causing some 
warming? And also, causing some cooling? I'm not a physics PHD, so I don't 
know, but it seems just as plausible as man made global warming.
Now comes the question, if it is the poles flipping causing this, how much 
money can world governments spend to stop it and how can Al Gore claim 
that he is responsible for the poles flipping? So, I throw this in to 
provide yet another possible scenario to be debated with no absolute 
answer in sight as no one was around 750,000 yrs ago.

Best Wishes and have a happy and restful weekend,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

If the neighbor is Al Bore, I think I would have to look and see the 
fire myself before I accepted it as truth.


RB

On 20/03/2015 10:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

So if a neighbor yells too loud that your house is on fire you dismiss him
as being shrill?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Actually no. As time goes on I'm less and less convinced, especially as
the calls get more shrill.

Curt





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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

Well, I'm going to add some stuff simply because I can't take any more of the 
bickering...it's making my eyes hurt as I read it.  Personally, I think the 
Earth may be both warming and cooling.  Why, the magnetic poles are trying to 
flip.  Now, if you read the science, which according to some on this list is 
either gospel or hocus pocus.  Anyway, as the poles flip the Earth's magnetic 
fields strengthen and weaken.  If you look at the current map of Antarctica, it 
is experiencing both cooling on one side and warming on the other.  Again, if 
you read the stories, when the magnetic fields weaken, it lets in more of the 
cosmic radiation which is an efficient source of heating.  Now, since the 
reports indicate that the magnetic fields have weakened a good deal since 1900, 
could this be causing some warming?  And also, causing some cooling?  I'm not a 
physics PHD, so I don't know, but it seems just as plausible as man made global 
warming.   
Now comes the question, if it is the poles flipping causing this, how much 
money can world governments spend to stop it and how can Al Gore claim that he 
is responsible for the poles flipping?  So, I throw this in to provide yet 
another possible scenario to be debated with no absolute answer in sight as no 
one was around 750,000 yrs ago. 
Best Wishes and have a happy and restful weekend, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com  (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com  (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

I would like a turn at climate change theory, since it seems any crackpot
with a PhD can take license to propound any theory that will generate grant
money.

Premise 1: Earth Magnetic pole shift is now happening. The degree of
magnetic North shift has precessed at a more rapid rate than previously
recorded. There is now an area of magnetic pole reversal located in the
South Atlantic, which is growing in size and intensity. South pole magnetic
lines of flux center [which represent the magnetic south pole position] has
also shifted by progression.

The Earth has experienced polar relocation several times, verified through
geological history.

Thus, the Earth is preparing to yet again change it's center of rotational
axis.

The life cycle of planetary movement far exceeds the life cycle of human
record keeping, and in most cases, far exceeds the scope of human
imagination, and in all cases, exceeds the life cycle of government funding.

Premise 2: These changes in Magnetic polar shift cause attendant changes in
the lines of magnetic force which surround the earth and act as a shield
which deflect energy from the Sun in the form of various frequencies.
Without this magnetic shield, the earth would receive the full intensity of
Sun energy and the water and gas would boil away.

Shifts in Magnetic polar location cause shifts in Magnetic Lines of Force.
This shift causes changes in the Magnetic Shield Effect, thus, in the
current state of flux, an incremental increase in warming in some locations.

Premise 3: The EPA, in both USA and EU, have forced the reduction in
visible particulates in the air. Those visible particulates served to blank
out to some degree, as cloud cover, the Sun heating effect, thus reduction
of particulates has had a direct cause on the increase of global heat rise
and consequently, the melting of Polar ice caps and the death of Polar Bear
Babies [not true, there are now more Polar Bears than before the current
"climate change hoopla"]

Premise 4: Thus, Government is the cause of the current exacerbation of a
natural Earth Cycle that can not be attenuated by Social Engineering. In
fact, Social Engineering is a direct contributor to the acceleration of the
Natural process.

Large urban populations, in order to be built require the destruction of
forest and medow, replaced by concrete, asphalt, buildings, and a
concentration of
vehicles and humans. None of which contribute to reduction of the Sun Heat
Load, instead, becoming virtual heat sinks that absorb Sun Energy and
retain it.

Thus the argument is raised that all cities must be burned down [to
generate cloud particulate cover] and the populations dispersed to the
remaining forests and open spaces with rules in place that only small
tribes can gather.

The suggestion is made that this Social Engineering is the only action that
will "save the planet" from further destruction prior to the coming Polar
Shift, which will, from the geological record, likely cause extinction of
all life as presently known..

Respectfully,

Grant...

Available for speaking tours at my usual rate of $20,000 per event, same as
Al Gore...

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That's too humane.  Make him read all the climate change denyin' and gun
lovin' posts on this list.

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

If he says my house is on fire but I point out its just the smoke 
from my wood stove am I a "house fire denier"?


Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android



Yep! absolutely!   That is a hangin' offense!


House Fire Denier!

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Just shoot the messenger.

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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

If he says my house is on fire but I point out its just the smoke from my wood 
stove am I a "house fire denier"?

Curt

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So if a neighbor yells too loud that your house is on fire you dismiss him
as being shrill?


Not just apples and oranges.

more like apricots and rocks comparison.

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So if a neighbor yells too loud that your house is on fire you dismiss him
as being shrill?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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> the calls get more shrill.
>
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2015-03-20 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Actually no. As time goes on I'm less and less convinced, especially as the 
calls get more shrill.

Curt

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So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a
problem,


How old is the planet?

USE a SPC control chart and do the math correctly.  the numbers will 
tell us how much data we need to bring the control levels into 
acceptable levels.  WHat level do you want?  6 sigma?  4? 2 sigma?


Based on what the darwinist "science" tells us, the earf is millions 
of years old.  so it would probably take hundreds of thousands of 
years of data to produce a good control chart.


Personally, I'd guess if you had 10,000 years data, that would 
probably suffice.   200 to 300 years data we have is but a blip in 
time.  It is insufficient to establish meaningful control limits.


Read Walter Shewhart's book.

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Yeah, but that doesn't mean I have my head in the sand.  The writing is on
the wall - the climate is changing way faster than it ever did in
geological time.  These changes are magnified on the poles.

I think it would be foolish to just sit back and do nothing to try and slow
down the melting of the polar ice caps.  You agree?

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> Why would it go away? If we're coming out of an ice age wouldn't we have
> several hundred more years of warming before we turn the corner? As a
> geologist don't you study the cycles between ice ages?
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2015-03-20 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Why would it go away? If we're coming out of an ice age wouldn't we have 
several hundred more years of warming before we turn the corner? As a geologist 
don't you study the cycles between ice ages?

Curt

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2015-03-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

‎Here is a very good essay from Michael Crichton on science and pseudo science. 
It is a short read. I urge everyone on either side of the argument to read it. 
He makes a lot of sense. 

http://www.michaelcrichton.net/essay-stateoffear-whypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html

Rick 
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2015-03-20 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

I would guess that hundreds, if not thousands, of years worth of data would be 
necessary to be able to make sense of any significant weather patterns. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a
> problem, let alone convinced?  is it worth the risk pretending this problem
> is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>> Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
>> 
>> Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36
>> years worth of data.
>> 
>> Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
>> seen such low ice!!!
>> 
>> Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially
>> the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep
>> their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will work
>> FOR SURE"
>> 
>> Give me a break
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So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a
problem, let alone convinced?  is it worth the risk pretending this problem
is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years?



On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
>
> Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36
> years worth of data.
>
> Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
> seen such low ice!!!
>
> Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially
> the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep
> their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will work
> FOR SURE"
>
> Give me a break
>
>
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2015-03-20 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?

Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36 years
worth of data.

Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
seen such low ice!!!

Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially the
poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep their
houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will work FOR
SURE"

Give me a break
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