Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-31 Thread John W. Reames III
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, OK Don wrote:
  A 124 with the same engine will have the same problem. Do not ask how I know
  this.
As will a 210
Also leaking return hoses can cause this too.
(Speaking of which I have to do mine this weekend. I used the stff for a 
61x since that is what I had on hand, and ordered the right stuff. It is 
20k miles later (~6 mos) and they are leaking. This time they get the 
right stuff.

-j.





Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-31 Thread Marshall Booth

OK Don wrote:

In this case, yes - but I thought (could be wrong again -- ) that if
the oil level sensor think's you're too low, it prevents the starter
from turning on. ?


Not on any car I've ever owned.


If so, when you're marginally low, and parked at the wrong angle, it
could prevent the car from starting.


Not on any Mercedes made before the mid '90s anyway (I know NOTHING 
about newer cars). All the oil level lights I've seen do is warn you 
that the oil is low - NOTHING else.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-30 Thread OK Don

Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be
a low oil level issue?
So there could be at least two causes ---

On 8/29/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:00:54PM -0500, Harry Watkins wrote:
 With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on a 
slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know about other 
models.

A 124 with the same engine will have the same problem. Do not ask how I know
this.



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Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-30 Thread Marshall Booth

OK Don wrote:

Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be
a low oil level issue?
So there could be at least two causes ---


Oil has NOTHING to do with it! It's all a matter of air getting into the 
fuel system and allowing the fuel to flow back toward the tank.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-30 Thread OK Don

In this case, yes - but I thought (could be wrong again -- ) that if
the oil level sensor think's you're too low, it prevents the starter
from turning on. ?
If so, when you're marginally low, and parked at the wrong angle, it
could prevent the car from starting.

On 8/29/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK Don wrote:
 Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be
 a low oil level issue?
 So there could be at least two causes ---

Oil has NOTHING to do with it! It's all a matter of air getting into the
fuel system and allowing the fuel to flow back toward the tank.

Marshall
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   der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

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[MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-29 Thread Harry Watkins
With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on a 
slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know about other 
models.

This morning I intentionally and finally duplicated what had happened to my 
wife about a month ago.  She called from a neighbors that it would not start, I 
went and checked fuel flow, (good), primary filter, (clean), return fuel,(yes) 
and the fuel gauge showed just over 1/4 tank.

I let it roll backwards to the road and pointed towards home for a tow.  When 
my wife got in to steer, she tried it again and it started.  At home I changed 
both fuel filters, degreased, washed and blew the area dry, except I noticed 
fuel returning to the delivery valve (DV) area.

Rusty was called for DV orings, springs and copper seals and I continued to use 
the car.

After filling the tank and on the way to school one night, I remembered someone 
on the list had a slope starting problem, seems it was at their daughters 
house, not sure.  I decided to try and duplicate the no start.  I started 
parking on a fairly good slope at the house.  I even took a level to estimate 
if the slope made the fuel tank level below the DVs and it seemed to be so.  I 
kept testing as the tank level keep going down and this morning it happened.

When I parked it on the slope last night, the fuel gauge was just over 1/4 tank 
and it would not start until I let it roll to a level spot.  Even then it took 
a lot of cranking to self bleed before starting but this was a more severe 
slope than my neighbor's driveway.

Of course I would think that any leak could cause the same thing, but DVs are 
where the rubber hits the road so any air there is trouble.

Time for breakfast and to start thinking about re-sealing the DVs.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

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My 86 Ford E350 van with 6.9 diesel does the same thing.  Starts easy as can
be with the nose pointed downhill but cranks forever if it is pointed
uphill.  Can't seem to find the air leak so I just make sure to park it
right.

Mike
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From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up


 With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on
 a slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know
 about other models.

 This morning I intentionally and finally duplicated what had happened to
 my wife about a month ago.  She called from a neighbors that it would not
 start, I went and checked fuel flow, (good), primary filter, (clean),
 return fuel,(yes) and the fuel gauge showed just over 1/4 tank.

 I let it roll backwards to the road and pointed towards home for a tow.
 When my wife got in to steer, she tried it again and it started.  At home
 I changed both fuel filters, degreased, washed and blew the area dry,
 except I noticed fuel returning to the delivery valve (DV) area.

 Rusty was called for DV orings, springs and copper seals and I continued
 to use the car.

 After filling the tank and on the way to school one night, I remembered
 someone on the list had a slope starting problem, seems it was at their
 daughters house

Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-29 Thread Kevin
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:00:54PM -0500, Harry Watkins wrote:
 With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on a 
 slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know about 
 other models.

A 124 with the same engine will have the same problem. Do not ask how I know
this.

K