Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Understood, url included for the edification of others. :-) Just remembered that the monolithic dome would also have the same or in some cases better resistance to wind damage as the geodesic dome. Manfred Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:47:21 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome Yes - I'd already seen that - was teasing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Sort of but a bit updated. http://www.monolithic.com/ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:57:12 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome Like a hogan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hogan_Navajo.jpg And it's true it would have looked like a mud igloo Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Sort of but a bit updated. http://www.monolithic.com/ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:57:12 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome Like a hogan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hogan_Navajo.jpg And it's true it would have looked like a mud igloo Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Yes - I'd already seen that - was teasing. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:28 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sort of but a bit updated. http://www.monolithic.com/ -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Yeah there is that too. I was wanting to put up a 3 dome monolithic structure (look up monolithic domes in Texas). Figured it would go up faster and thus be finished sooner but was overruled without much resistance. And it's true it would have looked like a mud igloo and been only one floor rather then two or potentially three with the cupola if I decide later to add a floor up there. Manfred Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:30:49 -0400 From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome There is all of that, but mostly I think just because it looks cool. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Like a hogan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hogan_Navajo.jpg And it's true it would have looked like a mud igloo Manfred -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Energy conservation did come into it. The dome provides an R value of somewhere around 34-38 depending on how it is calculated. That is over the entire surface. This works out pretty good as the whole thing at 2,500 sq ft will be cooled by a 2.5 ton geothermal unit which will also provide hot water during the cooling season for free. As far as passive cooling considerations, for the short span of time each year when it can be used, it has a cupola on the top, 5 sided with a 2'x8' window in each side. Since they are about 24' off the ground this provides a great place to let hot air out. However the main point in it's favor is the wind resistance. This is a lot lower than any other type of house from all sides with the possible exception of a totally earth covered construction (cave). Unfortunately since I live in Florida I didn't want to get into the possible problems with leaks by being below ground even though there are products that will probably do a lot better now then there were even 10 or so years ago. Then there is also the consideration that I wanted at least some kind of view and in flat land there is no substitute for height, so dome. Manfred Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:42:26 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome Why did you choose a dome versus one of the passive solar designs, or did the energy equation not enter into the decision? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
There is all of that, but mostly I think just because it looks cool. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome Energy conservation did come into it. The dome provides an R value of somewhere around 34-38 depending on how it is calculated. That is over the entire surface. This works out pretty good as the whole thing at 2,500 sq ft will be cooled by a 2.5 ton geothermal unit which will also provide hot water during the cooling season for free. As far as passive cooling considerations, for the short span of time each year when it can be used, it has a cupola on the top, 5 sided with a 2'x8' window in each side. Since they are about 24' off the ground this provides a great place to let hot air out. However the main point in it's favor is the wind resistance. This is a lot lower than any other type of house from all sides with the possible exception of a totally earth covered construction (cave). Unfortunately since I live in Florida I didn't want to get into the possible problems with leaks by being below ground even though there are products that will probably do a lot better now then there were even 10 or so years ago. Then there is also the consideration that I wanted at least some kind of view and in flat land there is no substitute for height, so dome. Manfred Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:42:26 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome Why did you choose a dome versus one of the passive solar designs, or did the energy equation not enter into the decision? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Ah - makes perfect sense! On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:12 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Energy conservation did come into it. The dome provides an R value of somewhere around 34-38 depending on how it is calculated. That is over the entire surface. This works out pretty good as the whole thing at 2,500 sq ft will be cooled by a 2.5 ton geothermal unit which will also provide hot water during the cooling season for free. As far as passive cooling considerations, for the short span of time each year when it can be used, it has a cupola on the top, 5 sided with a 2'x8' window in each side. Since they are about 24' off the ground this provides a great place to let hot air out. However the main point in it's favor is the wind resistance. This is a lot lower than any other type of house from all sides with the possible exception of a totally earth covered construction (cave). Unfortunately since I live in Florida I didn't want to get into the possible problems with leaks by being below ground even though there are products that will probably do a lot better now then there were even 10 or so years ago. Then there is also the consideration that I wanted at least some kind of view and in flat land there is no substitute for height, so dome. Manfred Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:42:26 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome Why did you choose a dome versus one of the passive solar designs, or did the energy equation not enter into the decision? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
No it wouldn't be by itself. What they do is not bring the concrete all the way to the outside edge of the triangle when they manufacture the triangles. They cut part of the foam off at an angle which when two triangles butt together forms a trough. the 1x1 inch welded mesh embedded in the concrete coat extends past the edge of the triangle and therefor overlaps with that of the neighboring triangle. This overlap is linked together with hog nose rings and then the trough is filled with concrete up to the level of the rest of the existing concrete. When everything is done you end up with a geodesic framework of concrete ribs and a stressed skin of concrete between the ribs. Look up http://www.aidomes.com they have a lot of information on the domes on line. It's not always the easiest site to navigate but it is possible to find the stuff on all of this. If I were to do it again I would probably go with nice wooden beams bolted together with a wood plank cover on the outside. Then cover the wood on the outside with 9 foam triangles and finally cover that with concrete. I really do like wood beam construction on the inside because of the looks but the concrete with a polymer sealing is to me a more attractive look on the outside. I guess I could always add the wood inside later. Manfred Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:04:42 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome [was Re: transmission options] On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:43:55 -0500 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, It's 9 of foam with about an inch of concrete on the outside. 48' in diameter, 3 freq. That makes each triangle about 10' on a side and about 400lbs. Interesting project. The one I helped build had wooden triangles that were bolted together and then sprayed on the inside with foam. I'm not sure how the one you describe would be put together, since 1 of concrete is not self-supporting. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome
Why did you choose a dome versus one of the passive solar designs, or did the energy equation not enter into the decision? On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: No it wouldn't be by itself. What they do is not bring the concrete all the way to the outside edge of the triangle when they manufacture the triangles. They cut part of the foam off at an angle which when two triangles butt together forms a trough. the 1x1 inch welded mesh embedded in the concrete coat extends past the edge of the triangle and therefor overlaps with that of the neighboring triangle. This overlap is linked together with hog nose rings and then the trough is filled with concrete up to the level of the rest of the existing concrete. When everything is done you end up with a geodesic framework of concrete ribs and a stressed skin of concrete between the ribs. Look up http://www.aidomes.com they have a lot of information on the domes on line. It's not always the easiest site to navigate but it is possible to find the stuff on all of this. If I were to do it again I would probably go with nice wooden beams bolted together with a wood plank cover on the outside. Then cover the wood on the outside with 9 foam triangles and finally cover that with concrete. I really do like wood beam construction on the inside because of the looks but the concrete with a polymer sealing is to me a more attractive look on the outside. I guess I could always add the wood inside later. Manfred -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome [was Re: transmission options....]
Yeah, It's 9 of foam with about an inch of concrete on the outside. 48' in diameter, 3 freq. That makes each triangle about 10' on a side and about 400lbs. Interesting project. Manfred Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:33:23 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Subject: [MBZ] OT: Dome [was Re: transmission options] On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:02:31 -0400 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not really. That was just about all I know on the subject. Now the dome on the other hand I could go on for hours about. Are you talking about a geodesic dome house? I helped a fellow build one of those years ago. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Dome [was Re: transmission options....]
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:43:55 -0500 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, It's 9 of foam with about an inch of concrete on the outside. 48' in diameter, 3 freq. That makes each triangle about 10' on a side and about 400lbs. Interesting project. The one I helped build had wooden triangles that were bolted together and then sprayed on the inside with foam. I'm not sure how the one you describe would be put together, since 1 of concrete is not self-supporting. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Dome [was Re: transmission options....]
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:02:31 -0400 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not really. That was just about all I know on the subject. Now the dome on the other hand I could go on for hours about. Are you talking about a geodesic dome house? I helped a fellow build one of those years ago. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
