Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
A SSH login on it takes 5 seconds of SW crunching to exchange the keys. The sad part is that its predecessor only takes 7 seconds to do the same thing, using a 50 MHz PPC processor! A PPC is a kick-ass bit twizzler compared to a MIPS. -- Jim Exactly as it was designed to do, being a RISC processor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Superscalar vs super-piplined. Take your pick. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: A SSH login on it takes 5 seconds of SW crunching to exchange the keys. The sad part is that its predecessor only takes 7 seconds to do the same thing, using a 50 MHz PPC processor! A PPC is a kick-ass bit twizzler compared to a MIPS. -- Jim Exactly as it was designed to do, being a RISC processor. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
A PPC is a kick-ass bit twizzler compared to a MIPS. Exactly as it was designed to do, being a RISC processor. Both are RISC processors. But I think the MIPS went a tiny bit too far. The PPC has a barrel shifter, as any RISC could, and the PPC gives fairly good control over it. The PPC also has condition code register(s), something the MIPS decided to do without. That lack doesn't harm straight C too much, but highly-optimized numerical routines, perhaps even hand-coded DSP type functions, suffer greatly. My CP/M simulator has been hand-coded into 680x0, PPC, and MIPS assembler. The latter two were exercises to learn the processors. (The MIPS was never finished, I ran aground in the linker shoals.) It also exists in straight C, for comparison. If you're curious: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/com.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Nice stuff Jim! I noticed you had an article in DDJ. I used to read that all the time. I actually had the pleasure of meeting *Bob* Albrecht along the Oregon coast a few summers ago. Brian On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: A PPC is a kick-ass bit twizzler compared to a MIPS. Exactly as it was designed to do, being a RISC processor. Both are RISC processors. But I think the MIPS went a tiny bit too far. The PPC has a barrel shifter, as any RISC could, and the PPC gives fairly good control over it. The PPC also has condition code register(s), something the MIPS decided to do without. That lack doesn't harm straight C too much, but highly-optimized numerical routines, perhaps even hand-coded DSP type functions, suffer greatly. My CP/M simulator has been hand-coded into 680x0, PPC, and MIPS assembler. The latter two were exercises to learn the processors. (The MIPS was never finished, I ran aground in the linker shoals.) It also exists in straight C, for comparison. If you're curious: http://userweb.windwireless.**net/~jimc/com.htmlhttp://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/com.html -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Unless you want to do some fancy routing, a switch is a switch. No need to buy another one as long as yours has enough holes. Dan On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
LOL! I have read many comments about poor throughput with certain connections/devices. It made me wonder if the cheap GigE switches were running slow CPUs that couldn't actually transmit at GigE speeds On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Unless you want to do some fancy routing, a switch is a switch. No need to buy another one as long as yours has enough holes. Dan On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
You could easily check it to see, as there are plenty of diagnostic programs out there for free. One of the things that will make a big difference if your hardware is capable is to turn on jumbo frames. Dan On Feb 13, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! I have read many comments about poor throughput with certain connections/devices. It made me wonder if the cheap GigE switches were running slow CPUs that couldn't actually transmit at GigE speeds On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Unless you want to do some fancy routing, a switch is a switch. No need to buy another one as long as yours has enough holes. Dan On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
When I do a simple windows copy from C drive to NAS, the Win 7 copy box says 9-10 MB/sec if that's the only thing I'm doing. My Synology NAS has a single Seagate ST2000DL003 2T green (5900 rpm) drive and it's not RAID. I suspect RAID would be slower because the j has limited CPU and RAM. I'm using a Cisco WRT320N (aka Linksys) gigabit router and the PC and NAS connect directly to this router. Things I like about the 211J are (1) it's quiet and low power, (2) AJAX software is very capable and easy to use, (3) pretty good support via online community. I also have a Thecus 5-bay but it was noisy (fan) and put out lots of heat with the original drives (it was in a closet). Also, software was limited and harder to use; Synology uses the same software in all their boxes but Thecus has model-specific software that doesn't get updated after they move on to a new model. I still use the Thecus running in RAID 5 with three 2T drives. It turns itself on for a few hours daily when my PC and Synology machines do auto backups to the Thecus. Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Wow 9-10 MB/sec is painfully slow. That drive can do at least 40-50MB/sec with rsync if locally connected. If 9-10 MB/sec is the best I can do to initially load the drive I think I'd want to pass... On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: When I do a simple windows copy from C drive to NAS, the Win 7 copy box says 9-10 MB/sec if that's the only thing I'm doing. My Synology NAS has a single Seagate ST2000DL003 2T green (5900 rpm) drive and it's not RAID. I suspect RAID would be slower because the j has limited CPU and RAM. I'm using a Cisco WRT320N (aka Linksys) gigabit router and the PC and NAS connect directly to this router. Things I like about the 211J are (1) it's quiet and low power, (2) AJAX software is very capable and easy to use, (3) pretty good support via online community. I also have a Thecus 5-bay but it was noisy (fan) and put out lots of heat with the original drives (it was in a closet). Also, software was limited and harder to use; Synology uses the same software in all their boxes but Thecus has model-specific software that doesn't get updated after they move on to a new model. I still use the Thecus running in RAID 5 with three 2T drives. It turns itself on for a few hours daily when my PC and Synology machines do auto backups to the Thecus. Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options What kind of read and write speeds are you getting? I've read the synology are very good. My GigE switch is my ZyXEL DSL router. Will I need a pro switch to achieve the good throughput (assuming my computer is connected via GigE for major file transfers). On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am very pleased with my 211j and 2 PCs in the house. One of the folders on my NAS is applications which really makes it slick rebuilding or migrating computers. Just store key information with the software -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
I've been doing more homework on the NAS idea. Synology 211j seems like an attractive 2-bay unit that gets great reviews. I think I may get it and drop my 2TB media hard drive and my 1TB time machine in it. The alternative will to get a FW800 3TB drive for my desktop. I'd still like to have access to all my files either wired or wireless. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Is that why my electric bills are $6,000 a month? Huh. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
The iMac is going to be your absolute best solution, iTunes will allow you to share the music between computers, it'll be sweet. Anything else will be a PITA to setup and anything in your price range probably won't work out real well bandwidth-wise. About a month ago I was at a TV station in South Carolina training them on their shared storage solution. At one point we're running network connection tests back to the server from the client systems. Most of them were normal at around 100MB/s, one is dog slow, like 1MB/s. It turned out the editor had a Drobo mapped to what should have been one of our drive letters. I was significantly under-impressed with what the Drobo was capable of. I guess in local mode they're okay but over the network - gross... -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:41:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options Message-ID: CACnCPhmKRSbb236F8xC3nQu6_hQzNt1=l2m6xaq+kog7h2v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Dan also said the Dobro was a poor network performer. It may be that local storage is best. I wonder if a Dobro would be fine for regular use, and then just connect it locally for backups. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The iMac is going to be your absolute best solution, iTunes will allow you to share the music between computers, it'll be sweet. Anything else will be a PITA to setup and anything in your price range probably won't work out real well bandwidth-wise. About a month ago I was at a TV station in South Carolina training them on their shared storage solution. At one point we're running network connection tests back to the server from the client systems. Most of them were normal at around 100MB/s, one is dog slow, like 1MB/s. It turned out the editor had a Drobo mapped to what should have been one of our drive letters. I was significantly under-impressed with what the Drobo was capable of. I guess in local mode they're okay but over the network - gross... -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:41:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options Message-ID: CACnCPhmKRSbb236F8xC3nQu6_hQzNt1=l2m6xaq+kog7h2v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
To the best of my knowledge, Drobos work quite well connected directly to the client. Current models even have things like eSATA interfaces, which will be pretty fast. Be careful in that the NAS model (DroboFS) does not have a local interface, only Ethernet. That would prevent you from swapping back and forth from local to network connections. Dan On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Dan also said the Dobro was a poor network performer. It may be that local storage is best. I wonder if a Dobro would be fine for regular use, and then just connect it locally for backups. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The iMac is going to be your absolute best solution, iTunes will allow you to share the music between computers, it'll be sweet. Anything else will be a PITA to setup and anything in your price range probably won't work out real well bandwidth-wise. About a month ago I was at a TV station in South Carolina training them on their shared storage solution. At one point we're running network connection tests back to the server from the client systems. Most of them were normal at around 100MB/s, one is dog slow, like 1MB/s. It turned out the editor had a Drobo mapped to what should have been one of our drive letters. I was significantly under-impressed with what the Drobo was capable of. I guess in local mode they're okay but over the network - gross... -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:41:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options Message-ID: CACnCPhmKRSbb236F8xC3nQu6_hQzNt1=l2m6xaq+kog7h2v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Ed, I'm not really interested in having a rack with expensive hardware that makes noise and sucks power. I play with expensive stuff at work all day long and don't feel like dealing with it at home. I completely disagree that the NAS with RAID is the backup. What if you delete some files by accident? What if the NAS controller fries and you have no way of retrieving the data? If you delete files by accident, there is no guarantee that you've copied to cold disks recently enough to restore. Live, spinning discs with shadow copy is my answer to that statement. My NAS controller fries? Using a known, name brand controller that can be easily replaced, or barring that, software RAID which while slower cares absolutely nothing for the controller to which the drives are connected. Also, as I mentioned previously, in the process of building a mirror RAID at parent's house which, when finished, will build VPN tunnel daily and perform file replication. Also, once I've built the second RAID, can connect parent's machine and reverse replicate so both locations have live, spinning, offsite backup. My solution is to have a second set of disks that I keep off site. This protects me not only against hardware failure or accidental deletions, but also theft and fire. Yes, and I've had cold discs die on me, too. Whether it was down time of the motor, or they somehow came in contact with magnetic field. Go to spin them up, only to have them with so many bad sectors that they are useless. In my opinion, far better to have spinning discs that are being monitored and can tell you when they are about to die. The only other thing I would like to improve upon is to have some kind cloud storage for my desktop. If the TM drive could be duplicated in the cloud I would be a happy camper, but at this point its not worth the cost. Again, cloud storage is live, spinning discs. Build your own. :) It's where I'm leaning. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and I've had cold discs die on me, too. Whether it was down time of the motor, or they somehow came in contact with magnetic field. Go to spin them up, only to have them with so many bad sectors that they are useless. In my opinion, far better to have spinning discs that are being monitored and can tell you when they are about to die. Just so everyone realizes, I hate cold storage. I've been doing this along time, and I've had cold drives die on me, cold tapes stretch with age and become useless and even the dye in cold CDs separate and again become useless. There is no cold storage solution I've ever seen that is 100% reliable and foolproof. Every single one of them has little gotchas. But, modern drives with S.M.A.R.T. monitoring will tell you as soon as the OS finds a place it can't read, or if the motor is slowing down or any number of other things. Way back in the way back, MFM discs were very unreliable. A tape that might not work when you went after it was actually almost preferable, because when an MFM drive grenaded, it was immediate. Went from working, to basically not. But the technology for keeping discs spinning has gotten far better, and much cheaper. Personal preference and all, I understand. Wasn't trying to start a major war or anything. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Again, cloud storage is live, spinning discs. Build your own. :) It's where I'm leaning. Last night I was reading webhostingtalk since I was in the market for a new VPS vendor. I happened upon an old thread where they were discussing someone's plans to build out a new micro-datacenter. The overwhelming recommendation was that having the new DC, attractive though it seemed at first, was going to end up 10-50x as expensive as setting up a DC in a cage in an existing DC complex. One example was the bandwidth: at that time, an offsite 10Mbps was in the $1300 range and 100Mbps was unavailable, but in the DC it was only $500, with easy migration to 100Mbps as desired. Power was of course already available, whereas this fellow was going to have to go three-phase.* Routing was obviously shorter. Etc. Anyway, looking at the numbers I'm definitely sold on using offsite everything in an existing DC at this point, I don't have anything that's so secret that it really matters where the data itself is hosted and that's about the only reason I could see doing local. Dropbox, EC2, etc. are just so much cheaper for long-term data storage, and practically my ADSL connection is fast enough at home that I can download whatever I need when I need it, pretty much. Also out of the WHT thread this great and on-topic quote, you can't learn experience. Took me a minute to parse that one. :) Best, -Tim * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
There is a guy who hosts a Cisco lab for just what you are talking about. You can find him at: Http://packetlife.net/lab/ Dan On Feb 6, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Again, cloud storage is live, spinning discs. Build your own. :) It's where I'm leaning. Last night I was reading webhostingtalk since I was in the market for a new VPS vendor. I happened upon an old thread where they were discussing someone's plans to build out a new micro-datacenter. The overwhelming recommendation was that having the new DC, attractive though it seemed at first, was going to end up 10-50x as expensive as setting up a DC in a cage in an existing DC complex. One example was the bandwidth: at that time, an offsite 10Mbps was in the $1300 range and 100Mbps was unavailable, but in the DC it was only $500, with easy migration to 100Mbps as desired. Power was of course already available, whereas this fellow was going to have to go three-phase.* Routing was obviously shorter. Etc. Anyway, looking at the numbers I'm definitely sold on using offsite everything in an existing DC at this point, I don't have anything that's so secret that it really matters where the data itself is hosted and that's about the only reason I could see doing local. Dropbox, EC2, etc. are just so much cheaper for long-term data storage, and practically my ADSL connection is fast enough at home that I can download whatever I need when I need it, pretty much. Also out of the WHT thread this great and on-topic quote, you can't learn experience. Took me a minute to parse that one. :) Best, -Tim * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a guy who hosts a Cisco lab for just what you are talking about. You can find him at: Http://packetlife.net/lab/ That's great! Thanks! -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I do not like optical storage either. Capacity is too small and they're too unpredictable. I've be given CD's that can only be read on 1/3 machines I've tried. But I'm not trying to build a data center at my house either. I've been through that enterprise-at-the-house phase in my life about 15-20 years ago. I'm perfectly happy with cold storage. Personally I'd be happiest with 3 sets of disks with 1 never powered on at any given time. You can accidentally delete files on a RAID system and without a backup you don't get those files back. My media files do not change often enough for me to worry about accidentally deleting files that won't be on backup. My day to day stuff is on Time Machine. I don't want to spend thousands on a solution that won't last 15 years anyway. During that time there will be hardware failures and parts to be replaced. If you use iTunes and have an Apple Airport Express, the audio is sent from the computer to the Airport Express in ALAC format. It works fine unless there are problems with the wireless network. Hard wired would work even better, but I don't have the option of doing major electrical wiring where I live. The best I could do for wire would be flat LAN cable under the carpet. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a guy who hosts a Cisco lab for just what you are talking about. You can find him at: Http://packetlife.net/lab/ That's great! Thanks! -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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* The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: * The other day a friend and I were discussing setting up a Cisco lab so we could work on our CCIEs. The entry cost was low but we calculated something on the order of $10/day for a half-dozen routers' power! $10 1 kWh 1 day 1 --- x - x - x - = 694 watts per router!!! day $0.10 24 hr 6 routers Boy, speak about hot equipment One power supply for a single 6500 is 6kW. That's up to 11U and most of this stuff was 2-5U, but that's about the size of the things. To be fair they probably aren't always running 100%, but neither is Cisco gear known for being energy efficient, and it's not like they can spin down drives or fans. As I recall for our exercise, we took the supply wattage peak for each of the devices in the lot, figuring they'd run at least half-ish and need that much cooling again. We did not get to the cost of adding power or HVAC to our houses. :) Best, Tim Uses nuclear power! But still has to pay for it :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. Ok, so I have to ask, how *many* songs is 1.2TB in Lossless? Also, which lossless codec did you use? FLAC? ALAC? -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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iTunes says 28,697. ALAC. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. Ok, so I have to ask, how *many* songs is 1.2TB in Lossless? Also, which lossless codec did you use? FLAC? ALAC? -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian, I think we need to reverse the thought process here and ask from another direction. How much can you truly afford to invest *right now* for a quality NAS. Forget cost vs. quality for the time, or what OS the NAS will run, or even how large it will be. You need a number first, then you can start matching that number to quality. Because there are as many ways to accomplish what you want to do as you can imagine. Dan Penoff has already mentioned that he has an Xserve RAID system. Can you rack mount? Do you care if it's 18 inches wide and 28 inches deep? It will definitely read HFS+ formatted volumes. Maybe a new Mac Mini with Thunderbolt, and all new Thunderbolt external drives. It, too, will read HFS+ But, is HFS+ a deal killer? I mean, once you've built or bought the NAS, you aren't going to be removing drives from it often, especially if you use a RAID option. The drives won't allow it. So you need to accept that once a drive goes into the NAS it is lost to you for other purposes. You will attach it and utilize it via network. So, do you have infrastructure for GigE? Have a heavyweight switch? As someone else said, do *NOT* put your NAS into a WiFi setup. Trust me, you will not be happy with that. Do you want an off the shelf solution (Drobo) or are you willing to build and maintain your own system (FreeNAS / Linux and Intel) Again, it all comes back to what *can* you spend. Because when everything is said and done do not look at this as How cheap can I do this you *must* look at this as Have I used every single last possible dollar I have in my account at this time devoted to this purpose yet? Buy more, more, more this first time so that it lasts you until neural nets become the rage in 15 years. If you cobble together a $300 solution today that lasts your needs for a year and half, then another $300 solution, then another, and another. Well, you'll still only have a solution that lasts your short term and will have spent overall what you could have done upfront and gotten what you need for a very long term solution. Again, I go back to the XServe RAID. What better NAS is there for a Macbook but an OSX solution? If you had several Windows machines and maybe some SPARC gear lying around, then something else would be a better fit, but OSX Server for an OSX Client meshes by design. So keep that in mind too. I feel like I went in a very large circle, sorry if it hasn't helped at all, EdB On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Thank for the link. What's the cheapest I can put together a small, quiet, and energy efficient box to run it on ? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Unless it was a Linux based appliance that cost less than the NAS. Literally yesterday: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/01/how-to-set-up-a-home-file-server-using-freenas/ Best, -Tim has not tried it On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
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Darn, that means you are 8,697 songs outside a free cloud solution :) On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: iTunes says 28,697. ALAC. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Darn, that means you are 8,697 songs outside a free cloud solution :) On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: iTunes says 28,697. ALAC. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. Do you have the option of a cabinet anywhere in the house? I currently have a full 42U rack in the garage. But they build smaller ones. We have a 15U? rack in my office at work. I'd have to measure, it's short because it houses the systems my desk needs so doesn't need to be much larger than the desk itself. Looks like a file cabinet shape / size. Originally audio rack furniture, but we've got computers mounted in it. Something like this could give you the ability to go with business grade (as Dan points out business grade everything is typically better than consumer grade anything) meaning a rack mount NAS / Xserve / Sun Fire what have you as well as upgrading to a pro grade Cisco / Juniper GigE switch. If you go with a NAS that has multiple ethernet, you want to be able to dual hone. For that you'll need a better quality switch, most Netgear style consumer switches can't talk to the same machine on multiple channels without getting confused. A Cisco / Juniper switch will allow you to weight balance the data moving to and from the server. Might even want to go with an optional WiFi add in card for said switch and move fully to a business class level. Then you could even add in SSL certificate encryption to the WiFi. If you start housing important data on a system available behind WiFi, it isn't a question of if, it's a question of when is someone going to get around to breaking into it and sniffing around. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Back to the OS X server paired to OS X client route. Again, you can get Time Machine to work on non Apple gear, but it can be a pain, and may fail in a later OS revision. If you set up an OS X server, you can use it as an external Time Machine option like a champ. Also, do you really mean backup of the NAS itself? A proper NAS *is* the back up. It has RAID and multiple redundancy. If a drive fails, you load new drive and the NAS rebuilds and heals itself. No need to have external drives with the same information. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) In my personal opinion, I don't care how many, or how few, desktop class machines you have. *Everyone* with a computer has a need for a NAS. A NAS is a first point for backup strategy. You *must have* a backup strategy. As I mentioned elsewhere (can't remember if it is this thread or another one on list) If I had a catastrophic failure of my backup strategy I would lose decades worth of irreplaceable digital photos. They were not taken with a film camera. There is no hard copy backup. Many, many, many homes are now getting to this point too. Digital photos, music bought directly from iTunes / Google / Wal-Mart / what have you, movies bought in similar manner. The more digital your life becomes, the more error redundant and air tight your backup strategy must become. I'm almost to the point of building out a NAS at my parents house and having nightly replication occur. Offsite backup of live storage. My house burns to the ground, I can rebuild local RAID from offsite. These things are *important* and can not be bandied about lightly. You have spent a large amount of time ripping 20,000+ songs. While you can replicate the lost data, with time, a click from a replication system to NAS, etc, would be so much more efficient. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Ed, I'm not really interested in having a rack with expensive hardware that makes noise and sucks power. I play with expensive stuff at work all day long and don't feel like dealing with it at home. I completely disagree that the NAS with RAID is the backup. What if you delete some files by accident? What if the NAS controller fries and you have no way of retrieving the data? My solution is to have a second set of disks that I keep off site. This protects me not only against hardware failure or accidental deletions, but also theft and fire. The only other thing I would like to improve upon is to have some kind cloud storage for my desktop. If the TM drive could be duplicated in the cloud I would be a happy camper, but at this point its not worth the cost. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. Do you have the option of a cabinet anywhere in the house? I currently have a full 42U rack in the garage. But they build smaller ones. We have a 15U? rack in my office at work. I'd have to measure, it's short because it houses the systems my desk needs so doesn't need to be much larger than the desk itself. Looks like a file cabinet shape / size. Originally audio rack furniture, but we've got computers mounted in it. Something like this could give you the ability to go with business grade (as Dan points out business grade everything is typically better than consumer grade anything) meaning a rack mount NAS / Xserve / Sun Fire what have you as well as upgrading to a pro grade Cisco / Juniper GigE switch. If you go with a NAS that has multiple ethernet, you want to be able to dual hone. For that you'll need a better quality switch, most Netgear style consumer switches can't talk to the same machine on multiple channels without getting confused. A Cisco / Juniper switch will allow you to weight balance the data moving to and from the server. Might even want to go with an optional WiFi add in card for said switch and move fully to a business class level. Then you could even add in SSL certificate encryption to the WiFi. If you start housing important data on a system available behind WiFi, it isn't a question of if, it's a question of when is someone going to get around to breaking into it and sniffing around. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Back to the OS X server paired to OS X client route. Again, you can get Time Machine to work on non Apple gear, but it can be a pain, and may fail in a later OS revision. If you set up an OS X server, you can use it as an external Time Machine option like a champ. Also, do you really mean backup of the NAS itself? A proper NAS *is* the back up. It has RAID and multiple redundancy. If a drive fails, you load new drive and the NAS rebuilds and heals itself. No need to have external drives with the same information. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) In my personal opinion, I don't care how many, or how few, desktop class machines you have. *Everyone* with a computer has a need for a NAS. A NAS is a first point for backup strategy. You *must have* a backup strategy. As I mentioned elsewhere (can't remember if it is this thread or another one on list) If I had a catastrophic failure of my backup strategy I would lose decades worth of irreplaceable digital photos. They were not taken with a film camera. There is no hard copy backup. Many, many, many homes are now getting to this point too. Digital photos, music bought directly from iTunes / Google / Wal-Mart / what have you, movies bought in similar manner. The more digital your life becomes, the more error redundant and air tight your backup strategy must become. I'm almost to the point of building out a NAS at my parents house and having nightly replication occur. Offsite backup of live storage. My house burns to the ground, I can rebuild local RAID
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I have a rack like you describe in my garage, but it's only powered up for a short time each day for replication purposes. I had seriously considered doing my own Web hosting and the like until I realized I would probably spend more money on electricity than I pay for hosting. I do have an enterprise grade UPS in the rack that my router, gigabit switch and Drobo are running off of continuously. The Xserve and Xserve RAID are on it too, but unless they're powered up for the daily replication it's hardly working. I back up my mission critical stuff on Dropbox, too. Dan On Feb 5, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Ed, I'm not really interested in having a rack with expensive hardware that makes noise and sucks power. I play with expensive stuff at work all day long and don't feel like dealing with it at home. I completely disagree that the NAS with RAID is the backup. What if you delete some files by accident? What if the NAS controller fries and you have no way of retrieving the data? My solution is to have a second set of disks that I keep off site. This protects me not only against hardware failure or accidental deletions, but also theft and fire. The only other thing I would like to improve upon is to have some kind cloud storage for my desktop. If the TM drive could be duplicated in the cloud I would be a happy camper, but at this point its not worth the cost. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Ed, Currently I have local hard drives connected to my laptop with FireWire and maintain 2 sets of the same files, one lossless and one AAC128. The AAC128 files are stored on my laptop hard drive. The lossless files are on the external drives. I would like to get the hard drives off my desk to save space noise, and have one less cable attached to my laptop. I would also like to eliminate the AAC128 files. Do you have the option of a cabinet anywhere in the house? I currently have a full 42U rack in the garage. But they build smaller ones. We have a 15U? rack in my office at work. I'd have to measure, it's short because it houses the systems my desk needs so doesn't need to be much larger than the desk itself. Looks like a file cabinet shape / size. Originally audio rack furniture, but we've got computers mounted in it. Something like this could give you the ability to go with business grade (as Dan points out business grade everything is typically better than consumer grade anything) meaning a rack mount NAS / Xserve / Sun Fire what have you as well as upgrading to a pro grade Cisco / Juniper GigE switch. If you go with a NAS that has multiple ethernet, you want to be able to dual hone. For that you'll need a better quality switch, most Netgear style consumer switches can't talk to the same machine on multiple channels without getting confused. A Cisco / Juniper switch will allow you to weight balance the data moving to and from the server. Might even want to go with an optional WiFi add in card for said switch and move fully to a business class level. Then you could even add in SSL certificate encryption to the WiFi. If you start housing important data on a system available behind WiFi, it isn't a question of if, it's a question of when is someone going to get around to breaking into it and sniffing around. I would like to have a NAS that connects via GigE to my WiFi router. That way I can stream the audio files to my laptop, which streams them to an Apple Airport Express wirelessly. I have a pair of JBL studio monitors connected to the Airport Express. For times when I want to make a backup of the NAS attached storage, I figured I could use a patch cable and do the backup over the network to backup drives attached to my laptop. Back to the OS X server paired to OS X client route. Again, you can get Time Machine to work on non Apple gear, but it can be a pain, and may fail in a later OS revision. If you set up an OS X server, you can use it as an external Time Machine option like a champ. Also, do you really mean backup of the NAS itself? A proper NAS *is* the back up. It has RAID and multiple redundancy. If a drive fails, you load new drive and the NAS rebuilds and heals itself. No need to have external drives with the same information. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get an iMac with a 2TB internal drive. That way I wouldn't worry about the portability and wouldn't have as many external drives! That would be a 5-7 year solution :-) In my personal opinion, I don't care how many, or how few, desktop class machines you have. *Everyone* with a computer has a need for a NAS. A NAS is a first point for backup strategy. You *must have* a backup strategy. As I mentioned elsewhere (can't remember if it is this thread or another one on list) If I had a
[MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. That way it fits on my laptop hard drive, and makes it relatively easy to sync with my iPod. The headache is adding music to the collection. First I have to rip in Lossless, and convert to AAC128 and manage what should be two identical sets of files. Ideally iTunes would make the AAC128 files in the background and let users have a few different format of the same song, but it doesn't. Short of that, I would like to see them keep cached copies of lower quality files to make syncing faster. I also would like to get a wireless Time Machine drive. Right now this storage is local, connected via FW or eSATA and sits on my desk. I think NAS would be a good idea. I can connect the NAS to my existing wireless router via GigE. I'm also figuring that I can connect my computer via GigE when I want to do backups of the NAS. I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unless it was a Linux based appliance that cost less than the NAS. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can tell you from direct experience that you probably don't want a Drobo FS, their NAS solution. The only caveat here is if speed is not an issue, such as for backups or archiving. The FS is a slug across a GB network, and often has enough latency to cause issues with high bandwidth media. I have an Xserve RAID that blows it away, but for that matter, so will most NAS RAIDs you'll find out there today, such as Synology, etc. Do be aware that you cannot use iCloud services with your iTunes library on a network drive, if it matters. I got around this by using an external drive for my media library and having it sync with a volume on the Xserve RAID every night. Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. That way it fits on my laptop hard drive, and makes it relatively easy to sync with my iPod. The headache is adding music to the collection. First I have to rip in Lossless, and convert to AAC128 and manage what should be two identical sets of files. Ideally iTunes would make the AAC128 files in the background and let users have a few different format of the same song, but it doesn't. Short of that, I would like to see them keep cached copies of lower quality files to make syncing faster. I also would like to get a wireless Time Machine drive. Right now this storage is local, connected via FW or eSATA and sits on my desk. I think NAS would be a good idea. I can connect the NAS to my existing wireless router via GigE. I'm also figuring that I can connect my computer via GigE when I want to do backups of the NAS. I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
I would also avoid a Time Machine, as they have a less than stellar reputation for reliability. For what you spend on a Time Machine you could have the makings of a pretty decent RAID box that would give you a lot more flexibility along with redundancy. Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. That way it fits on my laptop hard drive, and makes it relatively easy to sync with my iPod. The headache is adding music to the collection. First I have to rip in Lossless, and convert to AAC128 and manage what should be two identical sets of files. Ideally iTunes would make the AAC128 files in the background and let users have a few different format of the same song, but it doesn't. Short of that, I would like to see them keep cached copies of lower quality files to make syncing faster. I also would like to get a wireless Time Machine drive. Right now this storage is local, connected via FW or eSATA and sits on my desk. I think NAS would be a good idea. I can connect the NAS to my existing wireless router via GigE. I'm also figuring that I can connect my computer via GigE when I want to do backups of the NAS. I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Unless it was a Linux based appliance that cost less than the NAS. Literally yesterday: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/01/how-to-set-up-a-home-file-server-using-freenas/ Best, -Tim has not tried it On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I too have read about TC reliability issues. My main interests are ability to stream lossless audio across WiFi, speed of backup to 2nd set of drives, easy of use, quiet energy efficient. I do not specifically need/want a computer for this purpose unless it turns out to be the most cost effective solution. After all, I could replace my MBP with a 27 iMac and do away with the NAS/external storage altogether. Then I would just use a few external disks for backup as needed. The laptop is really drive the NAS. I'm not that concerned about RAID because the media collection doesn't change that often and I have a set of backups for that. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I would also avoid a Time Machine, as they have a less than stellar reputation for reliability. For what you spend on a Time Machine you could have the makings of a pretty decent RAID box that would give you a lot more flexibility along with redundancy. Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I've got about 1.2TB in Lossless music files from my ripped CD collection, etc. I ripped in Lossless so I would never need to do it again. Then I converted everything to AAC128 for iTunes. That way it fits on my laptop hard drive, and makes it relatively easy to sync with my iPod. The headache is adding music to the collection. First I have to rip in Lossless, and convert to AAC128 and manage what should be two identical sets of files. Ideally iTunes would make the AAC128 files in the background and let users have a few different format of the same song, but it doesn't. Short of that, I would like to see them keep cached copies of lower quality files to make syncing faster. I also would like to get a wireless Time Machine drive. Right now this storage is local, connected via FW or eSATA and sits on my desk. I think NAS would be a good idea. I can connect the NAS to my existing wireless router via GigE. I'm also figuring that I can connect my computer via GigE when I want to do backups of the NAS. I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thank for the link. What's the cheapest I can put together a small, quiet, and energy efficient box to run it on ? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Unless it was a Linux based appliance that cost less than the NAS. Literally yesterday: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/01/how-to-set-up-a-home-file-server-using-freenas/ Best, -Tim has not tried it On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mac NAS options
http://www.raspberrypi.org/ ? , but it's not out quite yet. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Thank for the link. What's the cheapest I can put together a small, quiet, and energy efficient box to run it on ? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Unless it was a Linux based appliance that cost less than the NAS. Literally yesterday: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/01/how-to-set-up-a-home-file-server-using-freenas/ Best, -Tim has not tried it On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: If I was going to go the 2nd computer route, I'd just get a MacMini and hang the external drives off that. I was really looking for a simple NAS that had high throughput. I've seen USB-NAS devices for $40 but I can't imagine backing up a few TB through USB. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:30:42 -0700 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if anyone has used any SAN products with Mac and can share their experience. I started reading this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3128395?start=0tstart=0 I wouldn't mind a Time Capsule, but the cost is $499 for the 3TB model. I already drives for the NAS. Ideally the NAS will natively read HFS+ so I can either use the drives in the NAS or locally on my computer. Linux has HFS+ support, IIRC. You could set up a computer with Linux and put that on your network. Since MacOS is build on top of Unix, that should work just fine with scp, rsync, ssh, and such. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
