Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap -- UPDATE
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: https://www.live5news.com/2020/01/23/coroner-identifies-uber-passenger-killed-by-driver-following-altercation-johns-island/ And I thought it was bad with them killing the deaded guy a "victim" when they were treating the case as probable self defense... “He died from apparent gunshot wounds,” CPD officials said."The offender was also still on scene." ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap -- UPDATE
https://www.live5news.com/2020/01/23/coroner-identifies-uber-passenger-killed-by-driver-following-altercation-johns-island/ On 1/23/20 7:31 AM, Buggered Benzmail wrote: Might need some cleanup Ride-share driver fatally shot passenger after 'altercation,' Charleston police say https://www.postandcourier.com/news/ride-share-driver-fatally-shot-passenger-after-altercation-charleston-police/article_fe85ce6a-3d14-11ea-814d-abcf626a6fa4.html --FT Sent from iPhone -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Heart attack. On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:54 PM Curt Raymond wrote: > Apparently you missed the post where it was still being investigated. On > the news they'd be telling you everything about cabs while insisting that > information would be forthcoming "real soon". > > -Curt > > On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 1:21:11 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via > Mercedes wrote: > > > Nobody has answered my question. What played out? > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told > me > > this. Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story. Fellow driving > > for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his > > cab, a man and a woman. Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not > > touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms. > Despite > > request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues. Driver > stops > > cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out. Man gets out, calls > > cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI. > > > > A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of > > coins. Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change? > > Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they > > will probably decide to release the strangle hold. > > > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? > > > > > > > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... > > > > > > > > > > All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from > > > bearing > > > arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway. > > > > > > Mitch. > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Apparently you missed the post where it was still being investigated. On the news they'd be telling you everything about cabs while insisting that information would be forthcoming "real soon". -Curt On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 1:21:11 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nobody has answered my question. What played out? On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me > this. Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story. Fellow driving > for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his > cab, a man and a woman. Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not > touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms. Despite > request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues. Driver stops > cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out. Man gets out, calls > cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI. > > A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of > coins. Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change? > Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they > will probably decide to release the strangle hold. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? > > > > > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... > > > > > > > All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from > > bearing > > arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway. > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Cops came, dead guy in back seat, back window open, no arrests, the deceased was hauled off. Case still under investigation. No further deets. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jan 23, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Nobody has answered my question. What played out? > >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me >> this. Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story. Fellow driving >> for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his >> cab, a man and a woman. Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not >> touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms. Despite >> request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues. Driver stops >> cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out. Man gets out, calls >> cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI. >> >> A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of >> coins. Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change? >> Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they >> will probably decide to release the strangle hold. >> >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... >>> >>> All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from >>> bearing >>> arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway. >>> >>> Mitch. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Nobody has answered my question. What played out? On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me > this. Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story. Fellow driving > for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his > cab, a man and a woman. Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not > touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms. Despite > request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues. Driver stops > cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out. Man gets out, calls > cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI. > > A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of > coins. Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change? > Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they > will probably decide to release the strangle hold. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? > > > > > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... > > > > > > > All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from > > bearing > > arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway. > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
I've told this story before, I drove a cab in college, fellow cabby told me this. Details getting foggy, but here's the rough story. Fellow driving for a different company, same town, had two unrelated passengers in his cab, a man and a woman. Man starts harassing the woman, IIRC he was not touching her but was very insistent that she submit to his charms. Despite request from both woman and driver to lay off, man continues. Driver stops cab, brandishes pistol and tells the man to get out. Man gets out, calls cops, and cabby gets arrested in the Peoples Republic of Madison WI. A simple enough weapon was a couple athletic socks around a few rolls of coins. Perfectly legal to have coins, what if I need to make change? Swing that correctly, connect with head or neck of the perpetrator, they will probably decide to release the strangle hold. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? > > > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... > > > > All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from > bearing > arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... All Uber and Lyft drivers (and riders) are contractually prevented from bearing arms. All sane Uber, Lyft, and taxi drivers are armed anyway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Apparently the rear window was either down or blown out. Driver (Uber or lyft looks like) might have gotten out and popped the passenger. TV people were Over here trying to get details, cops aren’t talking but no arrest of the driver. Probably some crackhead. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > That wasn't my question. How does the driver shoot someone in the back > seat? > >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Easy. Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some property >> which belongs to the driver. Any action the driver takes can be justified >> as self defense. If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's >> response is also self defense. For instance, criminal puts a knife to >> driver's neck and asks for money. Now you have capability (knife) and >> intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity). >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Self defense? How would this have played out with the passenger in the >>> back seat? >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered >>> apparent gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self >> defense or which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently determined that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
From the movies I've watched, the passenger can easily attempt to strangle the driver - hence the need for the driver to be prepared to defend himself. On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:55 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? > > I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM Curt Raymond > wrote: > > > Depends on which seat the passenger is in. If he's sitting behind the > > driver you shoot right through the seat. Otherwise you'd have to lean > > around, its awkward no matter what. > > First 38 seconds... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33MV7fvdhxI > > > > -Curt > > > > On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > That wasn't my question. How does the driver shoot someone in the back > > seat? > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Easy. Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some > > property > > > which belongs to the driver. Any action the driver takes can be > > justified > > > as self defense. If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's > > > response is also self defense. For instance, criminal puts a knife to > > > driver's neck and asks for money. Now you have capability (knife) and > > > intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity). > > > - > > > Max > > > Charleston SC > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Self defense? How would this have played out with the passenger in > the > > > > back seat? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was > found > > > > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered > > > > apparent > > > > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. > > > > > > > > > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self > > > defense > > > > > or > > > > > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've > apparently > > > > > determined > > > > > that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
So I guess the passenger was carrying some sort of weapon? I am skeptical given the vetting process for Lyft and Uber drivers... On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM Curt Raymond wrote: > Depends on which seat the passenger is in. If he's sitting behind the > driver you shoot right through the seat. Otherwise you'd have to lean > around, its awkward no matter what. > First 38 seconds... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33MV7fvdhxI > > -Curt > > On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via > Mercedes wrote: > > > That wasn't my question. How does the driver shoot someone in the back > seat? > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Easy. Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some > property > > which belongs to the driver. Any action the driver takes can be > justified > > as self defense. If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's > > response is also self defense. For instance, criminal puts a knife to > > driver's neck and asks for money. Now you have capability (knife) and > > intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity). > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Self defense? How would this have played out with the passenger in the > > > back seat? > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found > > > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered > > > apparent > > > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. > > > > > > > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self > > defense > > > > or > > > > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently > > > > determined > > > > that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Depends on which seat the passenger is in. If he's sitting behind the driver you shoot right through the seat. Otherwise you'd have to lean around, its awkward no matter what.First 38 seconds... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33MV7fvdhxI -Curt On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: That wasn't my question. How does the driver shoot someone in the back seat? On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Easy. Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some property > which belongs to the driver. Any action the driver takes can be justified > as self defense. If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's > response is also self defense. For instance, criminal puts a knife to > driver's neck and asks for money. Now you have capability (knife) and > intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity). > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Self defense? How would this have played out with the passenger in the > > back seat? > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found > > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered > > apparent > > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. > > > > > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self > defense > > > or > > > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently > > > determined > > > that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
That wasn't my question. How does the driver shoot someone in the back seat? On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Easy. Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some property > which belongs to the driver. Any action the driver takes can be justified > as self defense. If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's > response is also self defense. For instance, criminal puts a knife to > driver's neck and asks for money. Now you have capability (knife) and > intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity). > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Self defense? How would this have played out with the passenger in the > > back seat? > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found > > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered > > apparent > > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. > > > > > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self > defense > > > or > > > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently > > > determined > > > that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Easy. Criminal in back seat brandishes a weapon and demands some property which belongs to the driver. Any action the driver takes can be justified as self defense. If the criminal actually uses force, the driver's response is also self defense. For instance, criminal puts a knife to driver's neck and asks for money. Now you have capability (knife) and intent (ask for $) and opportunity (close physical proximity). - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Self defense? How would this have played out with the passenger in the > back seat? > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found > > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered > apparent > > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. > > > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self defense > > or > > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently > > determined > > that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Self defense? How would this have played out with the passenger in the back seat? On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found > unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered apparent > gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. > > Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self defense > or > which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently > determined > that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
The victim, identified in the report as a 51-year-old man, was found unresponsive in the car’s back seat, the report said. He suffered apparent gunshot wounds and was declared dead at the scene. Police have not determined whether the killing was an act of self defense or which ride-share service employed the driver. (but they've apparently determined that the guy who apparently attacked the driver is a "victim") ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Mitch can pick up a Cruze cheap
Might need some cleanup Ride-share driver fatally shot passenger after 'altercation,' Charleston police say https://www.postandcourier.com/news/ride-share-driver-fatally-shot-passenger-after-altercation-charleston-police/article_fe85ce6a-3d14-11ea-814d-abcf626a6fa4.html --FT Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
