Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
My Dad bought a new Studebaker 1/2 ton short bed pickup in 1959 when the local dealer went out of business. He kept/used it until a Studebaker collector talked him out of it 40+ years later. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > BIL loved Studebakers. When they went under, he bought Chevys and then a > Pinto. About ten miles out of Tampa on the way to Pennsylvania, the Pinto > caught fire. For the rest of his life he was happy with a GM car > independently made in Tennessee; I forget its name. > Gerry...who bent Studebaker valve wrenches and used them to adjust > Mercedes diesel engine valves for years. > Gerry -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
My wife bought a new Manta in 1974 - just weeks before I met her. We drove it until it rusted out enough that I decared it unsafe to drive in 1998 with almost 200k miles. It was a good car, but I maintained it after the initial few stealer checkups in it's infancy. I did note the simularity to Mercedes engineering - front sub-frame, etc. I hated working on the Opel GTs that were brought into the shop I worked in during college. So did everyone else, so I was stuck with them. The hood was too small - worse than the Saab Sonett II and III. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > I had a mechanically challenged friend in high school who had a Manta. It > spent a lot of time at my house being worked on. It was a fun car to drive > when it was running, however. > > > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
BIL loved Studebakers. When they went under, he bought Chevys and then a Pinto. About ten miles out of Tampa on the way to Pennsylvania, the Pinto caught fire. For the rest of his life he was happy with a GM car independently made in Tennessee; I forget its name. Gerry...who bent Studebaker valve wrenches and used them to adjust Mercedes diesel engine valves for years. Gerry From: "Dan Penoff" My Dad was an executive VP of a GM division (GMAC) in the 60s, and like all of the GM execs, he got program cars and dibs on anything else they had for the most part. When the Opel arrangement went in the tank in the late 60s, they gave him the option to pick whatever he wanted from the remaining inventory that was warehoused somewhere on the east coast. So my poor, long suffering Mom got a brand new, Opel Kadett. (I say this because her previous car was also a "child" of one of GMs failed ventures, a Vauxhall wagon. After the Opel she got her first new car, a 1971-1/2 Ford Pinto hatchback.) I remember that car well, as it was so poorly built and "tin cannish" it wasn't funny. Mom loved stick shift cars, which this was, and she thrashed the bejesus out of it. The car was a light blue, and the interior was so spartan I seem to recall that it had rubber mats and no carpet. Not sure what happened to it, but I'm sure there wasn't much left of it when Mom was done with it. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Opels were sold along with the Buick line when they were imported by GM. Mike On Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM, "Tim C" wrote: On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, "Hendrik & Fay" wrote: Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. I thought Holden was GM-owned? Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5388 - Release Date: 11/11/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
I had a mechanically challenged friend in high school who had a Manta. It spent a lot of time at my house being worked on. It was a fun car to drive when it was running, however. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > The car I really remember that was one of Dad's "freebies" from GM was my > sister's Renault Dauphine. That had a pushbutton shifter and was a real POS. > I remember the spare tire being in a "slot" of sorts in the front bumper. > > She ran it out of coolant one time and drove it home anyway. My Dad came > running home from his office (about 5 minutes away) and started dumping > buckets of hot water into the cooling system to keep it from melting down > (picture "Mad Men" suit, tie and hat running in and out of the garage with > metal bucket full of hot water.) As I seem to recall, after this occurred > the car went to our trusted indie and had all the cooling system seals > replaced, or something to that effect. > > Dan > > On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > >> My cousin had one of those things back when, it was like his first "new" car >> after a Valiant with push-button shifter for the auto box. He thrashed the >> *** out of the thing. He really wanted the Opel GT but could only afford >> the Kadett but he would slam powershifts on it. I remember riding with him >> in it when I was fairly young, he was not a lot older but had his license >> and some menial job. He probably tore it up before getting another car, >> which I think was an SS396, he went through a coupla those too. >> >> He now weighs about 350lb and rides a Harley. Go figure. As does his most >> recent wife (I think this might be #4), though she is probably only about >> 200lb. >> >> --R > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
The car I really remember that was one of Dad's "freebies" from GM was my sister's Renault Dauphine. That had a pushbutton shifter and was a real POS. I remember the spare tire being in a "slot" of sorts in the front bumper. She ran it out of coolant one time and drove it home anyway. My Dad came running home from his office (about 5 minutes away) and started dumping buckets of hot water into the cooling system to keep it from melting down (picture "Mad Men" suit, tie and hat running in and out of the garage with metal bucket full of hot water.) As I seem to recall, after this occurred the car went to our trusted indie and had all the cooling system seals replaced, or something to that effect. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > My cousin had one of those things back when, it was like his first "new" car > after a Valiant with push-button shifter for the auto box. He thrashed the > *** out of the thing. He really wanted the Opel GT but could only afford the > Kadett but he would slam powershifts on it. I remember riding with him in it > when I was fairly young, he was not a lot older but had his license and some > menial job. He probably tore it up before getting another car, which I think > was an SS396, he went through a coupla those too. > > He now weighs about 350lb and rides a Harley. Go figure. As does his most > recent wife (I think this might be #4), though she is probably only about > 200lb. > > --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
My Dad was an executive VP of a GM division (GMAC) in the 60s, and like all of the GM execs, he got program cars and dibs on anything else they had for the most part. When the Opel arrangement went in the tank in the late 60s, they gave him the option to pick whatever he wanted from the remaining inventory that was warehoused somewhere on the east coast. So my poor, long suffering Mom got a brand new, Opel Kadett. (I say this because her previous car was also a "child" of one of GMs failed ventures, a Vauxhall wagon. After the Opel she got her first new car, a 1971-1/2 Ford Pinto hatchback.) I remember that car well, as it was so poorly built and "tin cannish" it wasn't funny. Mom loved stick shift cars, which this was, and she thrashed the bejesus out of it. The car was a light blue, and the interior was so spartan I seem to recall that it had rubber mats and no carpet. Not sure what happened to it, but I'm sure there wasn't much left of it when Mom was done with it. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: > Opels were sold along with the Buick line when they were imported by GM. > > Mike > On Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM, "Tim C" wrote: > >> On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, "Hendrik & Fay" wrote: >>> Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market >> http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are >> less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. >> >> I thought Holden was GM-owned? >> >> Best, >> Tim >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
Opels were sold along with the Buick line when they were imported by GM. Mike On Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM, "Tim C" wrote: > On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, "Hendrik & Fay" wrote: > > Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market > http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are > less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. > > I thought Holden was GM-owned? > > Best, > Tim > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
Only for cars. -Curt Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:30:48 -0600 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Suzuki is pulling out of the us market and filing bankruptcy Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
Suzuki is pulling out of the us market and filing bankruptcy Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: > If by "spending money on the rich" you really mean spending money on the > rich (e.g. wall street and bank bail out) I agree 110%. But if by spending > you really mean "taking less from" it gets a lot more complicated, IMO. > > I think the problem is not so much "rampant capitalism" but warped (by > government rules) capitalism. In real capitalism, new competitors will > enter excessively profitable markets. But we have so many constraints we > create virtual monopolies for those now in the business. > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:32 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment > > I can see that spending money on the poor is a problematic plan, insofar > that it will not generate a lot of new jobs. > However the idea that spending money on the rich will fix everything is > also flawed insofar that they tend to ship jobs overseas to maximise > profits. > > The core problem is that reasonably well paying, low skilled > manufacturing jobs are not there to employ the poor, so they have to be > supported with hand outs etc. > Obviously we are all to blame, we wanna buy the cheap stuff. For > instance the local car makers here are struggling to compete against > imports, you can buy a new VW golf for round about 20k or a Suzuki for > 12k if you really wanna cheap out. Opel (German version of GM) has just > entered the Oz market > http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are > less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. > > Basically we can blame rampant capitalism for all our problems. > Shareholders want big fat dividends and don't care how they are achieved. > For example what do you think would happen if the Apple board announced > that they intend to move production of their iWhatever back to the > States, with a resulting drop in profits due to higher manufacturing > costs? More than likely they would get the sack for fiscal irresponsibility. > They can bleat on long as they like about made in America and jobs for > Americans but will it wash with the shareholders? > > Anyway enough ranting from me. > > Hendrik > who is sending this from his cheap Asian manufactured computer > > On 08/11/12 01:01, Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: >> "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will > herald >> the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin >> >> "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a >> permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until >> the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts >> from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes >> for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, >> with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose >> fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship" - Alexander >> Tytler 1787 >> >> "The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can > bribe >> the people with their own money." - Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
If by "spending money on the rich" you really mean spending money on the rich (e.g. wall street and bank bail out) I agree 110%. But if by spending you really mean "taking less from" it gets a lot more complicated, IMO. I think the problem is not so much "rampant capitalism" but warped (by government rules) capitalism. In real capitalism, new competitors will enter excessively profitable markets. But we have so many constraints we create virtual monopolies for those now in the business. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment I can see that spending money on the poor is a problematic plan, insofar that it will not generate a lot of new jobs. However the idea that spending money on the rich will fix everything is also flawed insofar that they tend to ship jobs overseas to maximise profits. The core problem is that reasonably well paying, low skilled manufacturing jobs are not there to employ the poor, so they have to be supported with hand outs etc. Obviously we are all to blame, we wanna buy the cheap stuff. For instance the local car makers here are struggling to compete against imports, you can buy a new VW golf for round about 20k or a Suzuki for 12k if you really wanna cheap out. Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. Basically we can blame rampant capitalism for all our problems. Shareholders want big fat dividends and don't care how they are achieved. For example what do you think would happen if the Apple board announced that they intend to move production of their iWhatever back to the States, with a resulting drop in profits due to higher manufacturing costs? More than likely they would get the sack for fiscal irresponsibility. They can bleat on long as they like about made in America and jobs for Americans but will it wash with the shareholders? Anyway enough ranting from me. Hendrik who is sending this from his cheap Asian manufactured computer On 08/11/12 01:01, Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: > "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald > the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin > > "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a > permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until > the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts > from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes > for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, > with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose > fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship" - Alexander > Tytler 1787 > > "The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe > the people with their own money." - Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) > > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment about GM
Yes it is, http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/motoring/opel-imports-set-to-return-to-australia-under-their-own-badge/story-e6frg9zx-1226274087176 Hendrik who could live with an Opel On 08/11/12 11:28, Tim C wrote: On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, "Hendrik & Fay" wrote: Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. I thought Holden was GM-owned? Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, "Hendrik & Fay" wrote: > Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. I thought Holden was GM-owned? Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
I can see that spending money on the poor is a problematic plan, insofar that it will not generate a lot of new jobs. However the idea that spending money on the rich will fix everything is also flawed insofar that they tend to ship jobs overseas to maximise profits. The core problem is that reasonably well paying, low skilled manufacturing jobs are not there to employ the poor, so they have to be supported with hand outs etc. Obviously we are all to blame, we wanna buy the cheap stuff. For instance the local car makers here are struggling to compete against imports, you can buy a new VW golf for round about 20k or a Suzuki for 12k if you really wanna cheap out. Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. Basically we can blame rampant capitalism for all our problems. Shareholders want big fat dividends and don't care how they are achieved. For example what do you think would happen if the Apple board announced that they intend to move production of their iWhatever back to the States, with a resulting drop in profits due to higher manufacturing costs? More than likely they would get the sack for fiscal irresponsibility. They can bleat on long as they like about made in America and jobs for Americans but will it wash with the shareholders? Anyway enough ranting from me. Hendrik who is sending this from his cheap Asian manufactured computer On 08/11/12 01:01, Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship" - Alexander Tytler 1787 "The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money." - Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
