Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah ORGANIC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Screwls

--FT


On 6/17/17 5:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
i see nothing mis-spelled, Pubic skools is a deliberate spelling, 
reflecting on the main interest of those institutions.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
June 17, 2017 at 12:06 PM
Curley's exposure to chemtrails permanently buggered his spelling.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah ORGANIC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You left off the "k" in publick.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> i see  nothing mis-spelled, Pubic skools is a deliberate spelling,
> reflecting on the main interest of those institutions.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> June 17, 2017 at 12:06 PM
>> Curley's exposure to chemtrails permanently buggered his spelling.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah ORGANIC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

i see  nothing mis-spelled, Pubic skools is a deliberate spelling, 
reflecting on the main interest of those institutions.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
June 17, 2017 at 12:06 PM
Curley's exposure to chemtrails permanently buggered his spelling.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah ORGANIC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curley's exposure to chemtrails permanently buggered his spelling.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 10:32 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> Well, since you brought up contrails and reality, the turbulence from an
> aircraft passing through the air has nothing to do with it. The results of
> burning jet-A are carbon dioxide and water. When you release water vapor in
> an atmosphere that is at -30F, it condenses. the shape of the resulting
> condensation clouds are indeed determined by the wake turbulence of the
> aircraft, but not the actual condensation trail - just the swirling shapes.
>
> There was at least talk, if not actual tests, of releasing "chemicals" in
> the atmosphere by high flying aircrafts to find out if a difference in IR
> and or UV radiation hitting earth could be made, but I think it was short
> lived. It only lives on in the minds of the conspiracy theorists and
> anit-government hate groups as chemtrails.
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> >  they easily fall prey to stuff like "chemtrails" because they have
> > never learned that when an aircraft goes through air, the turbulence
> causes
> > moisture to condense, leaving trails of condensed water, or Condensation
> > trails, shortened to contrails.   Some body with a sense of humor make up
> > this chemtrail story to prove how stupid and gullible the sheeple turned
> > out by pubic skools are, and it stuck.
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[clay via Mercedes]

Natural gas turbine

> On Jun 17, 2017, at 7:37 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> How is the result of digesting poop being turned into moving electrons?
> Fuel cells? Burned to generate steam to turn a turbine the spins a
> generator?
> 
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 12:32 AM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> The dairy farms out by me do the co-gen thing.  It saves them from having
>> poop ponds fail, ground water polluted and the eco cops over regulating.
>> The poo power makes electric for the farms, and left over electrons get
>> onto the grid.  I think the fairgrounds get free power, there are a few pig
>> farmers sharing poop too.
>> 
>> AT the moment the biggest waste generating county just ships biowaste out
>> of the county and makes stench, wastes fuel transporting, and charges the
>> consumer for the compost.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Anaerobic digestion produces hydrogen and methane gas.  Since there is no 
pentacyclosiloxane in it (the stuff that makes your hair shiny in shampoo and 
conditioner) it can be compressed, dried, and burned in either a turbine or 
internal combustion engine to run a generator.

Land fill methane is grossly contaminated with siloxanes, so is wastewater 
treatment plant methane, so it has to be cleaned up before it's burned, else 
you get sand being generated by the combustion of the gas.  Pentacyclosiloxane 
is carried by methane pretty well, so it's always present in domestic waste.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

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Methane is generated in digesters.  The methane is used to fuel generators, 
typically driven by reciprocating engines that burn the methane.

I guess you could use it to fire a boiler and generate steam, but it’s pretty 
low as far as BTU content so I don’t think it would be very efficient used in 
that manner.

At least that’s the way I’ve seen it done.

-D

> On Jun 17, 2017, at 10:37 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> How is the result of digesting poop being turned into moving electrons?
> Fuel cells? Burned to generate steam to turn a turbine the spins a
> generator?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[OK Don via Mercedes]

How is the result of digesting poop being turned into moving electrons?
Fuel cells? Burned to generate steam to turn a turbine the spins a
generator?

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 12:32 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The dairy farms out by me do the co-gen thing.  It saves them from having
> poop ponds fail, ground water polluted and the eco cops over regulating.
> The poo power makes electric for the farms, and left over electrons get
> onto the grid.  I think the fairgrounds get free power, there are a few pig
> farmers sharing poop too.
>
> AT the moment the biggest waste generating county just ships biowaste out
> of the county and makes stench, wastes fuel transporting, and charges the
> consumer for the compost.
>
> clay
>
>
>


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OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah ORGANIC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Well, since you brought up contrails and reality, the turbulence from an
aircraft passing through the air has nothing to do with it. The results of
burning jet-A are carbon dioxide and water. When you release water vapor in
an atmosphere that is at -30F, it condenses. the shape of the resulting
condensation clouds are indeed determined by the wake turbulence of the
aircraft, but not the actual condensation trail - just the swirling shapes.

There was at least talk, if not actual tests, of releasing "chemicals" in
the atmosphere by high flying aircrafts to find out if a difference in IR
and or UV radiation hitting earth could be made, but I think it was short
lived. It only lives on in the minds of the conspiracy theorists and
anit-government hate groups as chemtrails.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


>  they easily fall prey to stuff like "chemtrails" because they have
> never learned that when an aircraft goes through air, the turbulence causes
> moisture to condense, leaving trails of condensed water, or Condensation
> trails, shortened to contrails.   Some body with a sense of humor make up
> this chemtrail story to prove how stupid and gullible the sheeple turned
> out by pubic skools are, and it stuck.
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[clay via Mercedes]

The dairy farms out by me do the co-gen thing.  It saves them from having poop 
ponds fail, ground water polluted and the eco cops over regulating.  The poo 
power makes electric for the farms, and left over electrons get onto the grid.  
I think the fairgrounds get free power, there are a few pig farmers sharing 
poop too.

AT the moment the biggest waste generating county just ships biowaste out of 
the county and makes stench, wastes fuel transporting, and charges the consumer 
for the compost.

clay



> On Jun 16, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able
> 
> It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting to see
> how it turns out.
> 
> "North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground for Utah's first
> food digester Thursday morning in a project aimed at reducing landfill
> waste and harnessing unused renewable energy.
> 
> The North Salt Lake facility, to be opened in late 2018, will deploy
> anaerobic digesters to grind and liquify food waste, then use water, heat
> and bacteria to convert it into methane gas to be used as natural gas and
> bio-solids to be converted into fertilizer."
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah ORGANIC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Kooks all.  I heard an analysis on the raadidio this morning about how 
the millennials have no clue about Merkun history, and therefore have no 
basis for reality, so their "reality" is whatever they make it up to 
be.  As it was "taught" (indoctrinated) to them  in skool.


That makes a good case about why both sides of the kook fringe agree.  
with no basis for reality, they easily fall prey to stuff like 
"chemtrails" because they have never learned that when an aircraft goes 
through air, the turbulence causes moisture to condense, leaving trails 
of condensed water, or Condensation trails, shortened to contrails.   
Some body with a sense of humor make up this chemtrail story to prove 
how stupid and gullible the sheeple turned out by pubic skools are, and 
it stuck.   It was a joke, just like KWanzaa.


They have been taught in skool that reality is whatever they think, so 
they think the laws of nature, and nature's God, (which includes the 
laws of physics) don't apply to them.  This leads to a lot of Darwin Awards.



"Without a vision, the people perish"  Steve Deace.   I'd modify that:  
"Without an understanding of History, the people perish"  That is pretty 
close to "those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it."



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
June 16, 2017 at 3:42 PM
I was at this vegan supper a coupla weeks ago, this couple was there 
that I know.  I had never really talked to the wife other than 
pleasantries.  Both of them are far lefties, but not too 
proselytizing.  We were walking around a garden at the place where the 
supper was, we were talking about raising vegetables, and she says, 
"We quit growing our vegetables because of chemicals the farms near us 
sprayed and chemtrails."


Chemtrails.  So I ask my daughter a bit later who is kinda up on this 
stuff, why would some far out leftie be all up about chemtrails, I 
thought that was some kind of far right wing conspiracy thing, you 
know, precious bodily fluids and all that. She says no, there is some 
aspect of it that the far lefties are all upset about too but she 
didn't know the details.  So how weird is that, far lefties and far 
righties have met on the far side of reality, and agree on something.  
Chemtrails.  Seriously, WTF?


--FT




Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
June 16, 2017 at 12:42 PM
I'm 100 percent organic. Also, very tolerant of grass patches growing
within my lawn.

I try to shred leaves first but they still take 4ever to degrade.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

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June 16, 2017 at 12:34 PM
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:11:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes

What about the chemicals used on lawns and trees?


Craig

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
June 16, 2017 at 8:11 AM
Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive 
but you need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use 
trays the worms migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move 
down, you harvest that tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I 
think its top down but it could be the other way, its been awhile 
since I looked into it.
Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood 
chips. Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple 
days. It only makes a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. 
Someday if we move up north full time I'll look into something like 
that, not for commercial purposes, just to compost a large garden. Let 
the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree service 
guys dump tree trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the garden.I do this 
on a very small scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of compost a year 
which is limited mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. I've 
tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be 
bothered.

-Curt


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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human
or bovine or pig or whatever.

A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm
sh*t] operat

Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah DIGESTIBLE WASTE

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Our County, in one of its rare achievements, collects food and yard 
waste and composts it at the dump, you can go buy the stuff pretty 
cheepcheep.  They have a pretty serious operation going on there.


--FT


On 6/16/17 3:39 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

The governmant needs to collect digestible waste.  The UT project can
be duplicated everywhere.  There's probably a climate change angle to
be played in there also.  And nice tax increase to fund the operation.
Don't complain - it will be less labor for everyone.
tin.man

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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah ORGANIC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I was at this vegan supper a coupla weeks ago, this couple was there 
that I know.  I had never really talked to the wife other than 
pleasantries.  Both of them are far lefties, but not too proselytizing.  
We were walking around a garden at the place where the supper was, we 
were talking about raising vegetables, and she says, "We quit growing 
our vegetables because of chemicals the farms near us sprayed and 
chemtrails."


Chemtrails.  So I ask my daughter a bit later who is kinda up on this 
stuff, why would some far out leftie be all up about chemtrails, I 
thought that was some kind of far right wing conspiracy thing, you know, 
precious bodily fluids and all that. She says no, there is some aspect 
of it that the far lefties are all upset about too but she didn't know 
the details.  So how weird is that, far lefties and far righties have 
met on the far side of reality, and agree on something.  Chemtrails.  
Seriously, WTF?


--FT


On 6/16/17 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I'm 100 percent organic.  Also, very tolerant of grass patches growing
within my lawn.

I try to shred leaves first but they still take 4ever to degrade.


--
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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah CHOPPING LEAVES

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I got an attachment for a leaf blower I had that would turn it into a 
leaf vac, there was a bag that attached to it and the fan inside while 
sucking would also chop up the leaves, you would get a back of nice leaf 
mulch out of it, and it held an amazing amount of leaves once chopped 
up.  I would dump those in the compost bin.


--FT


On 6/16/17 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Chop the leaves with the lawnmower, they'll break down way faster. Just run 
mower over them before you rake. I use the mower to windrow them over to the 
pile.Unchopped leaves tend to form matts, especially when they're wet, which 
take a long time to break down. Gotta get some air in there.
-Curt


--
--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah now COMPOSTERS

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have a plastic box out back that I dump stuff in, it is quite the hive 
of activity for all sorts of small critters, stuff cooks down pretty 
fast.  My wife ordered it from somewhere, it has 3 plastic slats on each 
side that snap together, the other sides snap in at the corners like a 
dovetailed box.  It has a lid that sits on top, folds in half.  I've had 
it for maybe 15 yr and it still works and has held up well.


Every now and then I get a shovel full and put it in a 5gal bucket and 
let it marinate for a week or so to make a compost tea which you then 
pour around on your plants and the residue you can spread around too 
though it pretty much dissolves in the water.


I was at some used book store a year or so ago and they had this HUGE 
book on composting, it is like a textbook or something, I bought it for 
a dollar.  I have thumbed through it, it has everything you would ever 
want to know about composting.


--R


On 6/16/17 12:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Depends, a lot of people seem to love them but generally when you talk to those 
people their expectations are pretty low.They're more work, you need to monitor 
your moisture level and keep the nitrogen content right. Too much nitrogen 
bearing stuff (the greens) and you get a slimy nasty stink pit, not enough and 
it works really slow.
The marketing is just marketing, you can get compost out in 90 days but its a 
lot of extra work. A pile on the edge of the yard is much more reasonable for 
most folks energy input-wise.
-Curt


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Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com>
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big production 
machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground it up and mixed 
with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which distributed it onto a 
series of belts with a slight downward slope. There were something like 7 or 
eight belts one above the other one each side. The belts moved very slow it 
took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to the bottom. At the bottom 
what was left fell off and got separated into worms and worm castings. There 
was no uneaten waste left. The worms were sold for fishing and the rest for 
gardens. Once the whole thing was started it was self sustaining as most of the 
worms kept eating and traveling upward into the new food upslope. The few that 
didn't were fish food. The only problem he had was finding enough waste to put 
into the input end. After proofing it and showing that it worked he sold the 
patent for a good bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China and went over 
there to help them build it and get it going. They never paid him just told him 
to sue them which by the time it went through the courts over there they had 
claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the machinery to someplace 
else and started again under a new name. Told him that they could do that as 
long as he wanted to waste money trying to sue them. He saw the light and gave 
up.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but you 
need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays the worms 
migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move down, you harvest that 
tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I think its top down but it could be 
the other way, its been awhile since I looked into it.
Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood chips. 
Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It only makes 
a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we move up north 
full time I'll look into something like that, not for commercial purposes, just 
to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings 
and the tree service guys dump tree trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the 
garden.I do this on a very small scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of 
compost a year which is limited mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. 
I've tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be 
bothered.
-Curt


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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human or 
bovine or pig or whatever.

A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm sh*t] 
operation wher

Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

  Mao sez:  "Don't complain - it will be less labor for everyone."

SURE!  All that money the goobers want to take by force as "taxes" just 
majikally appears in my pockets.  No labor is involved whatsoever to 
generate the money to pay those taxes. 



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 2:39 PM
The governmant needs to collect digestible waste. The UT project can
be duplicated everywhere. There's probably a climate change angle to
be played in there also. And nice tax increase to fund the operation.
Don't complain - it will be less labor for everyone.
tin.man


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

The governmant needs to collect digestible waste.  The UT project can
be duplicated everywhere.  There's probably a climate change angle to
be played in there also.  And nice tax increase to fund the operation.
Don't complain - it will be less labor for everyone.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

well, we are all 100% organic.  Dust to dust, ashes to ashes.




Except if you drink the koolaid, then the DDT you touched lasts 
forever.  Except it does not.  YMMV, but the facts don't.  DDT:  dust to 
dust, ashes to ashes too.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 12:42 PM
I'm 100 percent organic. Also, very tolerant of grass patches growing
within my lawn.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm averse to physical labor so I just leave the leaves to stew in their
own bone dry juices.  I might toss in some green matter from time to time.
The pile is huge due to our superabundance of deciduous trees.  Our
neighbors collected their leaves in 50+ large Home Depot yard waste
collection bags for the county to take away.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I mow the grass 2-4 times a month as needed, mow the leaves in the fall,
> and let nature take its course. It's very low-labor. This year I bought
> Gator Blades to help speed the process.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:15:12 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> One word - don't. No chemicals needed.

Certainly, no chemicals are needed on the compost pile, but the
people from whom you get grass clippings may have used insecticides
and antifungal chemicals on their lawns.


Craig


> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:11:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree
> > > service guys dump tree trimmings ...
> >
> > What about the chemicals used on lawns and trees?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

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I mow the grass 2-4 times a month as needed, mow the leaves in the fall, and 
let nature take its course. It's very low-labor. This year I bought Gator 
Blades to help speed the process.

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

What Curt said. i read somewhere that 50/50 green (grass clippings) to
brown (chopped up leaves) BY WEIGHT is the ideal ratio for fast composting.
That having been said, we just use what we have, when we have it. I collect
the grass clippings in the spring and fall for the compost, and let it
mulch/compost on the lawn the rest of the time. The pile gets turned once a
week or so, if we remember - more often in the spring when we need the
compost for the veggie beds. We have to water the compost pile when we turn
it to keep it moist.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Chop the leaves with the lawnmower, they'll break down way faster. Just
> run mower over them before you rake. I use the mower to windrow them over
> to the pile.Unchopped leaves tend to form matts, especially when they're
> wet, which take a long time to break down. Gotta get some air in there.
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:54 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
>
> I mulch my veg garden with grass clippings from the lawn.  They practically
> combust in the sun and break down quickly.  I also use them in the compost
> bin - sparingly - and the results are decent.  My biggest source is
> infinite supplies of leaves in the fall.  Unlike Curt's experience, mine do
> NOT degrade rapidly.
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I was of the impression that a lot of grass clippings was a bad thing. I
> > can recall dumping grass clippings in piles in our woods when I was a
> kid,
> > and them pretty much remaining in the same state (not breaking down much)
> > for a very long time. That and the heat they generated would often be
> > visible in the fall.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Depends, a lot of people seem to love them but generally when you talk
> > to those people their expectations are pretty low.They're more work, you
> > need to monitor your moisture level and keep the nitrogen content right.
> > Too much nitrogen bearing stuff (the greens) and you get a slimy nasty
> > stink pit, not enough and it works really slow.
> > > The marketing is just marketing, you can get compost out in 90 days but
> > its a lot of extra work. A pile on the edge of the yard is much more
> > reasonable for most folks energy input-wise.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >
> > >  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
> > >
> > > Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?
> > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big
> > production machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground
> it
> > up and mixed with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which
> > distributed it onto a series of belts with a slight downward slope. There
> > were something like 7 or eight belts one above the other one each side.
> The
> > belts moved very slow it took something like 4-5 days to go from the top
> to
> > the bottom. At the bottom what was left fell off and got separated into
> > worms and worm castings. There was no uneaten waste left. The worms were
> > sold for fishing and the rest for gardens. Once the whole thing was
> started
> > it was self sustaining as most of the worms kept eating and traveling
> > upward into the new food upslope. The few that didn't were fish food. The
> > only problem he had was finding enough waste to put into the input end.
> > After proofing it and showing that it worked he sold the patent for a
> good
> > bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China and went over there to
> help
> > them build it and get it going. They never paid him just told him to sue
> > them which by the time it went through the courts over there they had
> > claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the machinery to
> > someplac

Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[OK Don via Mercedes]

One word - don't. No chemicals needed.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:11:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree
> > service guys dump tree trimmings ...
>
> What about the chemicals used on lawns and trees?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Are you piling them or just leaving them out? How big is the pile? What else do 
you put in it? How long is "forever"?
-Curt


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I'm 100 percent organic.  Also, very tolerant of grass patches growing
within my lawn.

I try to shred leaves first but they still take 4ever to degrade.

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wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:11:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree
> > service guys dump tree trimmings ...
>
> What about the chemicals used on lawns and trees?
>
>
> Craig
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It leaches out fast, I'm not super worried about it. Since you live someplace 
it doesn't rain a lot it'd be a different story. Most of those chemicals break 
down fast from sunlight too though...
-Curt


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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:11:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree
> service guys dump tree trimmings ...

What about the chemicals used on lawns and trees?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm 100 percent organic.  Also, very tolerant of grass patches growing
within my lawn.

I try to shred leaves first but they still take 4ever to degrade.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:11:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree
> > service guys dump tree trimmings ...
>
> What about the chemicals used on lawns and trees?
>
>
> Craig
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:11:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree
> service guys dump tree trimmings ...

What about the chemicals used on lawns and trees?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Chop the leaves with the lawnmower, they'll break down way faster. Just run 
mower over them before you rake. I use the mower to windrow them over to the 
pile.Unchopped leaves tend to form matts, especially when they're wet, which 
take a long time to break down. Gotta get some air in there.
-Curt


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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
I mulch my veg garden with grass clippings from the lawn.  They practically
combust in the sun and break down quickly.  I also use them in the compost
bin - sparingly - and the results are decent.  My biggest source is
infinite supplies of leaves in the fall.  Unlike Curt's experience, mine do
NOT degrade rapidly.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com
> wrote:

> I was of the impression that a lot of grass clippings was a bad thing. I
> can recall dumping grass clippings in piles in our woods when I was a kid,
> and them pretty much remaining in the same state (not breaking down much)
> for a very long time. That and the heat they generated would often be
> visible in the fall.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Depends, a lot of people seem to love them but generally when you talk
> to those people their expectations are pretty low.They're more work, you
> need to monitor your moisture level and keep the nitrogen content right.
> Too much nitrogen bearing stuff (the greens) and you get a slimy nasty
> stink pit, not enough and it works really slow.
> > The marketing is just marketing, you can get compost out in 90 days but
> its a lot of extra work. A pile on the edge of the yard is much more
> reasonable for most folks energy input-wise.
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >      From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
> >
> > Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big
> production machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground it
> up and mixed with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which
> distributed it onto a series of belts with a slight downward slope. There
> were something like 7 or eight belts one above the other one each side. The
> belts moved very slow it took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to
> the bottom. At the bottom what was left fell off and got separated into
> worms and worm castings. There was no uneaten waste left. The worms were
> sold for fishing and the rest for gardens. Once the whole thing was started
> it was self sustaining as most of the worms kept eating and traveling
> upward into the new food upslope. The few that didn't were fish food. The
> only problem he had was finding enough waste to put into the input end.
> After proofing it and showing that it worked he sold the patent for a good
> bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China and went over there to help
> them build it and get it going. They never paid him just told him to sue
> them which by the time it went through the courts over there they had
> claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the machinery to
> someplace else and started again under a new name. Told him that they could
> do that as
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Grass clippings are high in nitrogen, by themselves in a big pile they turn 
into a slimy mess. Mix them about 50/50 with brown leaves and they'll get hot 
and compost super quick. Best if you can get a cubic yard of the mix, the 
center will be very hot. Turn every couple days for best results.
I want to restate the volume of my finished compost, I think we got more like 
18 cubic feet, I always screw up my cubic foot guesstimates and end up giving 
square feet forgetting about the depth. I just took the loader and scooped it 
out. Good trial run for the loader. Reminds me I gotta cut down the bucket, its 
way too big and the geometry on the lift cylinder is poor...
-Curt


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 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
I was of the impression that a lot of grass clippings was a bad thing. I can 
recall dumping grass clippings in piles in our woods when I was a kid, and them 
pretty much remaining in the same state (not breaking down much) for a very 
long time. That and the heat they generated would often be visible in the fall.

-D

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Depends, a lot of people seem to love them but generally when you talk to 
> those people their expectations are pretty low.They're more work, you need to 
> monitor your moisture level and keep the nitrogen content right. Too much 
> nitrogen bearing stuff (the greens) and you get a slimy nasty stink pit, not 
> enough and it works really slow.
> The marketing is just marketing, you can get compost out in 90 days but its a 
> lot of extra work. A pile on the edge of the yard is much more reasonable for 
> most folks energy input-wise.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>      From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
> 
> Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?  
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big production 
> machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground it up and mixed 
> with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which distributed it onto 
> a series of belts with a slight downward slope. There were something like 7 
> or eight belts one above the other one each side. The belts moved very slow 
> it took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to the bottom. At the 
> bottom what was left fell off and got separated into worms and worm castings. 
> There was no uneaten waste left. The worms were sold for fishing and the rest 
> for gardens. Once the whole thing was started it was self sustaining as most 
> of the worms kept eating and traveling upward into the new food upslope. The 
> few that didn't were fish food. The only problem he had was finding enough 
> waste to put into the input end. After proofing it and showing that it worked 
> he sold the patent for a good bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China 
> and went over there to help them build it and get it going. They never paid 
> him just told him to sue them which by the time it went through the courts 
> over there they had claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the 
> machinery to someplace else and started again under a new name. Told him that 
> they could do that as


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I mulch my veg garden with grass clippings from the lawn.  They practically
combust in the sun and break down quickly.  I also use them in the compost
bin - sparingly - and the results are decent.  My biggest source is
infinite supplies of leaves in the fall.  Unlike Curt's experience, mine do
NOT degrade rapidly.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com
> wrote:

> I was of the impression that a lot of grass clippings was a bad thing. I
> can recall dumping grass clippings in piles in our woods when I was a kid,
> and them pretty much remaining in the same state (not breaking down much)
> for a very long time. That and the heat they generated would often be
> visible in the fall.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Depends, a lot of people seem to love them but generally when you talk
> to those people their expectations are pretty low.They're more work, you
> need to monitor your moisture level and keep the nitrogen content right.
> Too much nitrogen bearing stuff (the greens) and you get a slimy nasty
> stink pit, not enough and it works really slow.
> > The marketing is just marketing, you can get compost out in 90 days but
> its a lot of extra work. A pile on the edge of the yard is much more
> reasonable for most folks energy input-wise.
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
> >
> > Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big
> production machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground it
> up and mixed with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which
> distributed it onto a series of belts with a slight downward slope. There
> were something like 7 or eight belts one above the other one each side. The
> belts moved very slow it took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to
> the bottom. At the bottom what was left fell off and got separated into
> worms and worm castings. There was no uneaten waste left. The worms were
> sold for fishing and the rest for gardens. Once the whole thing was started
> it was self sustaining as most of the worms kept eating and traveling
> upward into the new food upslope. The few that didn't were fish food. The
> only problem he had was finding enough waste to put into the input end.
> After proofing it and showing that it worked he sold the patent for a good
> bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China and went over there to help
> them build it and get it going. They never paid him just told him to sue
> them which by the time it went through the courts over there they had
> claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the machinery to
> someplace else and started again under a new name. Told him that they could
> do that as
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I was of the impression that a lot of grass clippings was a bad thing. I can 
recall dumping grass clippings in piles in our woods when I was a kid, and them 
pretty much remaining in the same state (not breaking down much) for a very 
long time. That and the heat they generated would often be visible in the fall.

-D

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Depends, a lot of people seem to love them but generally when you talk to 
> those people their expectations are pretty low.They're more work, you need to 
> monitor your moisture level and keep the nitrogen content right. Too much 
> nitrogen bearing stuff (the greens) and you get a slimy nasty stink pit, not 
> enough and it works really slow.
> The marketing is just marketing, you can get compost out in 90 days but its a 
> lot of extra work. A pile on the edge of the yard is much more reasonable for 
> most folks energy input-wise.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
> 
> Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?  
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big production 
> machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground it up and mixed 
> with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which distributed it onto 
> a series of belts with a slight downward slope. There were something like 7 
> or eight belts one above the other one each side. The belts moved very slow 
> it took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to the bottom. At the 
> bottom what was left fell off and got separated into worms and worm castings. 
> There was no uneaten waste left. The worms were sold for fishing and the rest 
> for gardens. Once the whole thing was started it was self sustaining as most 
> of the worms kept eating and traveling upward into the new food upslope. The 
> few that didn't were fish food. The only problem he had was finding enough 
> waste to put into the input end. After proofing it and showing that it worked 
> he sold the patent for a good bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China 
 and went over there to help them build it and get it going. They never paid 
him just told him to sue them which by the time it went through the courts over 
there they had claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the 
machinery to someplace else and started again under a new name. Told him that 
they could do that as


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ridiculously tiny and worthless


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 11:10 AM
Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Depends, a lot of people seem to love them but generally when you talk to those 
people their expectations are pretty low.They're more work, you need to monitor 
your moisture level and keep the nitrogen content right. Too much nitrogen 
bearing stuff (the greens) and you get a slimy nasty stink pit, not enough and 
it works really slow.
The marketing is just marketing, you can get compost out in 90 days but its a 
lot of extra work. A pile on the edge of the yard is much more reasonable for 
most folks energy input-wise.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?  
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big production 
machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground it up and mixed 
with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which distributed it onto a 
series of belts with a slight downward slope. There were something like 7 or 
eight belts one above the other one each side. The belts moved very slow it 
took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to the bottom. At the bottom 
what was left fell off and got separated into worms and worm castings. There 
was no uneaten waste left. The worms were sold for fishing and the rest for 
gardens. Once the whole thing was started it was self sustaining as most of the 
worms kept eating and traveling upward into the new food upslope. The few that 
didn't were fish food. The only problem he had was finding enough waste to put 
into the input end. After proofing it and showing that it worked he sold the 
patent for a good bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China and went over 
there to help them build it and get it going. They never paid him just told him 
to sue them which by the time it went through the courts over there they had 
claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the machinery to someplace 
else and started again under a new name. Told him that they could do that as 
long as he wanted to waste money trying to sue them. He saw the light and gave 
up.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but you 
need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays the worms 
migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move down, you harvest that 
tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I think its top down but it could be 
the other way, its been awhile since I looked into it.
Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood chips. 
Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It only makes 
a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we move up north 
full time I'll look into something like that, not for commercial purposes, just 
to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings 
and the tree service guys dump tree trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the 
garden.I do this on a very small scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of 
compost a year which is limited mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. 
I've tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be 
bothered.
-Curt


      From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human or 
bovine or pig or whatever.

A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm sh*t] 
operation wherein they were collecting food waste from some restaurants and 
dumping it out and then seeding it with worms then collecting the worm 
emissions to sell.  I met the guys a few years back, they were kinda 
neo-hippies with this whack scheme and I think they actually did it for awhile 
and sold a few bags of wormsh*t to gardeners (it was not cheap) but then lost 
interest in the labor-intensiveness and abandoned the pile of rotting food 
waste (including worms too I guess) on the farm, which was quite fragrant for 
awhile.

He also now has a herd of water buffaloes that he inherited due to a similar 
scheme to make mozzarella cheese, the story of the whole ongoing debacle is 
about the funniest thing I have ever heard.

--FT


On 6/16/17 8:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

a sewage plant with giant insinkerators to feed  into it.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
June 16, 2017 at 6:36 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/539 8548-155/new-utah-facility-wil l-be-ab

Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Anyone have any luck with those rotating drum backyard composters?

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big production
> machine where you dump the food waste in one end which ground it up and
> mixed with cow sh*t then transported it up into a hopper which distributed
> it onto a series of belts with a slight downward slope. There were
> something like 7 or eight belts one above the other one each side. The
> belts moved very slow it took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to
> the bottom. At the bottom what was left fell off and got separated into
> worms and worm castings. There was no uneaten waste left. The worms were
> sold for fishing and the rest for gardens. Once the whole thing was started
> it was self sustaining as most of the worms kept eating and traveling
> upward into the new food upslope. The few that didn't were fish food. The
> only problem he had was finding enough waste to put into the input end.
> After proofing it and showing that it worked he sold the patent for a good
> bundle. Also sold some to a collective in China and went over there to help
> them build it and get it going. They never paid him just told him to sue
> them which by the time it went through the courts over there they had
> claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down moved all the machinery to
> someplace else and started again under a new name. Told him that they could
> do that as long as he wanted to waste money trying to sue them. He saw the
> light and gave up.
>
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but
>> you need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays
>> the worms migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move down, you
>> harvest that tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I think its top down
>> but it could be the other way, its been awhile since I looked into it.
>> Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood
>> chips. Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It
>> only makes a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we
>> move up north full time I'll look into something like that, not for
>> commercial purposes, just to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service
>> guys dump their grass clippings and the tree service guys dump tree
>> trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the garden.I do this on a very small
>> scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of compost a year which is limited
>> mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. I've tried to get the
>> neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be bothered.
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
>>  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:04 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
>>Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human
>> or bovine or pig or whatever.
>>
>> A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm sh*t]
>> operation wherein they were collecting food waste from some restaurants and
>> dumping it out and then seeding it with worms then collecting the worm
>> emissions to sell.  I met the guys a few years back, they were kinda
>> neo-hippies with this whack scheme and I think they actually did it for
>> awhile and sold a few bags of wormsh*t to gardeners (it was not cheap) but
>> then lost interest in the labor-intensiveness and abandoned the pile of
>> rotting food waste (including worms too I guess) on the farm, which was
>> quite fragrant for awhile.
>>
>> He also now has a herd of water buffaloes that he inherited due to a
>> similar scheme to make mozzarella cheese, the story of the whole ongoing
>> debacle is about the funniest thing I have ever heard.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 6/16/17 8:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> a sewage plant with giant insinkerators to feed  into it.
>>>
>>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> June 16, 2017 at 6:36 AM
>>>> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting to
>>>> see
>>>> how it turns out.
>>>>
>>>> "North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground f

Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

All true.


Dan--- via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 8:31 AM
Using animal waste to generate methane to generate power is old news. 
I worked on total confinement hog operations in the early 1980s in 
Indiana that were generating a good portion of their own power using 
digesters powered by pig poop. An operation with 2000 hogs could 
generate its own power with minimal effort once the process was 
started. It could also be run by 2-3 operators on a continuous basis, 
so it was a nice "add on" for a farmer, especially if they had a large 
row crop operation that could also supply feed.


The biggest issue I saw was the effort it took to process the methane, 
as it was very "wet" so a rather complicated set of dryers and 
dessicants had to be employed to get the moisture levels in the 
methane down to reasonable levels. Without doing so the output was 
rather corrosive. I can recall seeing equipment that was only a year 
old being literally covered with rust if it was in any sort of 
proximity to the stuff.


Low BTU output as well, like 600 BTU/cubic foot or something like that 
(natural gas is closer to 1,000 BTU/cubic foot IIRC.)


-D




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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[MG via Mercedes]

Have a friend who years ago got into that. He built a whole big 
production machine where you dump the food waste in one end which 
ground it up and mixed with cow sh*t then transported it up into 
a hopper which distributed it onto a series of belts with a 
slight downward slope. There were something like 7 or eight belts 
one above the other one each side. The belts moved very slow it 
took something like 4-5 days to go from the top to the bottom. At 
the bottom what was left fell off and got separated into worms 
and worm castings. There was no uneaten waste left. The worms 
were sold for fishing and the rest for gardens. Once the whole 
thing was started it was self sustaining as most of the worms 
kept eating and traveling upward into the new food upslope. The 
few that didn't were fish food. The only problem he had was 
finding enough waste to put into the input end. After proofing it 
and showing that it worked he sold the patent for a good bundle. 
Also sold some to a collective in China and went over there to 
help them build it and get it going. They never paid him just 
told him to sue them which by the time it went through the courts 
over there they had claimed bankruptcy, closed the place down 
moved all the machinery to someplace else and started again under 
a new name. Told him that they could do that as long as he wanted 
to waste money trying to sue them. He saw the light and gave up.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but you 
need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays the worms 
migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move down, you harvest that 
tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I think its top down but it could be 
the other way, its been awhile since I looked into it.
Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood chips. 
Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It only makes 
a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we move up north 
full time I'll look into something like that, not for commercial purposes, just 
to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings 
and the tree service guys dump tree trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the 
garden.I do this on a very small scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of 
compost a year which is limited mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. 
I've tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be 
bothered.
-Curt


  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>

 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human 
or bovine or pig or whatever.


A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm 
sh*t] operation wherein they were collecting food waste from some 
restaurants and dumping it out and then seeding it with worms then 
collecting the worm emissions to sell.  I met the guys a few years back, 
they were kinda neo-hippies with this whack scheme and I think they 
actually did it for awhile and sold a few bags of wormsh*t to gardeners 
(it was not cheap) but then lost interest in the labor-intensiveness and 
abandoned the pile of rotting food waste (including worms too I guess) 
on the farm, which was quite fragrant for awhile.


He also now has a herd of water buffaloes that he inherited due to a 
similar scheme to make mozzarella cheese, the story of the whole ongoing 
debacle is about the funniest thing I have ever heard.


--FT


On 6/16/17 8:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

a sewage plant with giant insinkerators to feed  into it.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
June 16, 2017 at 6:36 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able

It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting 
to see

how it turns out.

"North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground for Utah's 
first

food digester Thursday morning in a project aimed at reducing landfill
waste and harnessing unused renewable energy.

The North Salt Lake facility, to be opened in late 2018, will deploy
anaerobic digesters to grind and liquify food waste, then use water, 
heat
and bacteria to convert it into methane gas to be used as natural gas 
and

bio-solids to be converted into fertilizer."
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yeah, the first site I was on was just amazing at how badly stuff was corroded 
in the short time it had been there. I went out to commission a new generator 
set and any bare metal was rusted up like it had been in the elements for years.

-D

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> When I first got out of high school Dad and I worked on a landfill methane 
> project. All the piping had to be plastic as the methane was so corrosive 
> even stainless steel lasted no time at all.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I first got out of high school Dad and I worked on a landfill methane 
project. All the piping had to be plastic as the methane was so corrosive even 
stainless steel lasted no time at all.
-Curt


  From: Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: "d...@penoff.com" <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
Using animal waste to generate methane to generate power is old news. I worked 
on total confinement hog operations in the early 1980s in Indiana that were 
generating a good portion of their own power using digesters powered by pig 
poop.  An operation with 2000 hogs could generate its own power with minimal 
effort once the process was started. It could also be run by 2-3 operators on a 
continuous basis, so it was a nice "add on" for a farmer, especially if they 
had a large row crop operation that could also supply feed.

The biggest issue I saw was the effort it took to process the methane, as it 
was very "wet" so a rather complicated set of dryers and dessicants had to be 
employed to get the moisture levels in the methane down to reasonable levels. 
Without doing so the output was rather corrosive. I can recall seeing equipment 
that was only a year old being literally covered with rust if it was in any 
sort of proximity to the stuff.

Low BTU output as well, like 600 BTU/cubic foot or something like that (natural 
gas is closer to 1,000 BTU/cubic foot IIRC.)

-D

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but you 
> need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays the 
> worms migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move down, you harvest 
> that tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I think its top down but it 
> could be the other way, its been awhile since I looked into it.
> Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood chips. 
> Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It only 
> makes a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we move up 
> north full time I'll look into something like that, not for commercial 
> purposes, just to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service guys dump 
> their grass clippings and the tree service guys dump tree trimmings, mix, 
> wait and spread in the garden.I do this on a very small scale now, We produce 
> 4-5 cubic feet of compost a year which is limited mostly by the fact that we 
> don't eat that much. I've tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in 
> but he can't be bothered.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>      From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
> 
> Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human 
> or bovine or pig or whatever.
> 
> A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm 
> sh*t] operation wherein they were collecting food waste from some 
> restaurants and dumping it out and then seeding it with worms then 
> collecting the worm emissions to sell.  I met the guys a few years back, 
> they were kinda neo-hippies with this whack scheme and I think they 
> actually did it for awhile and sold a few bags of wormsh*t to gardeners 
> (it was not cheap) but then lost interest in the labor-intensiveness and 
> abandoned the pile of rotting food waste (including worms too I guess) 
> on the farm, which was quite fragrant for awhile.
> 
> He also now has a herd of water buffaloes that he inherited due to a 
> similar scheme to make mozzarella cheese, the story of the whole ongoing 
> debacle is about the funniest thing I have ever heard.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 6/16/17 8:21 AM, Curley McLain via M


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My in-laws have some sort of huge trees that fill their yard with leaves every 
year. They bag 'em and we haul them here, usually 2 full pickup loads. We have 
more smaller trees that I run through the lawnmower and put in the compost pile.
All that composts down to 4-5 cubic feet. Its amazing to watch the leaves 
compost down. Our leaves will completely fill the 4x4x4 bin heaped over at the 
top. Within a month the bin is merely full, after another month its half full. 
We add the bagged leaves all winter when we add food waste, it keeps the smell 
down and keeps some of the animals out.

I switch the active bin into resting status when we plant the garden. When I 
flip the pile I add some more of the bagged leaves to fill up the bin. By the 
folllowing spring its 4-5 cubic feet of compost...
-Curt


  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
you need a couple of BIG sycamore trees that get plenty of water.  Those will 
produce 4-6 cubic YARDS of mulch each year.  Way more than we need for a 
800-1000 sq ft garden. not to mention a steady supply of kindling for your wood 
fars.


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  June 16, 2017 at 8:11 AM  Worm castings are big 
business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but you need a good system 
thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays the worms migrate through. So 
as the food is consumed they move down, you harvest that tray, reload and place 
it at the bottom. I think its top down but it could be the other way, its been 
awhile since I looked into it.
Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood chips. 
Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It only makes 
a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we move up north 
full time I'll look into something like that, not for commercial purposes, just 
to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings 
and the tree service guys dump tree trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the 
garden.I do this on a very small scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of 
compost a year which is limited mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. 
I've tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be 
bothered.
-Curt




   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Using animal waste to generate methane to generate power is old news. I worked 
on total confinement hog operations in the early 1980s in Indiana that were 
generating a good portion of their own power using digesters powered by pig 
poop.  An operation with 2000 hogs could generate its own power with minimal 
effort once the process was started. It could also be run by 2-3 operators on a 
continuous basis, so it was a nice "add on" for a farmer, especially if they 
had a large row crop operation that could also supply feed.

The biggest issue I saw was the effort it took to process the methane, as it 
was very "wet" so a rather complicated set of dryers and dessicants had to be 
employed to get the moisture levels in the methane down to reasonable levels. 
Without doing so the output was rather corrosive. I can recall seeing equipment 
that was only a year old being literally covered with rust if it was in any 
sort of proximity to the stuff.

Low BTU output as well, like 600 BTU/cubic foot or something like that (natural 
gas is closer to 1,000 BTU/cubic foot IIRC.)

-D

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but you 
> need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays the 
> worms migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move down, you harvest 
> that tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I think its top down but it 
> could be the other way, its been awhile since I looked into it.
> Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood chips. 
> Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It only 
> makes a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we move up 
> north full time I'll look into something like that, not for commercial 
> purposes, just to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service guys dump 
> their grass clippings and the tree service guys dump tree trimmings, mix, 
> wait and spread in the garden.I do this on a very small scale now, We produce 
> 4-5 cubic feet of compost a year which is limited mostly by the fact that we 
> don't eat that much. I've tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in 
> but he can't be bothered.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
> 
> Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human 
> or bovine or pig or whatever.
> 
> A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm 
> sh*t] operation wherein they were collecting food waste from some 
> restaurants and dumping it out and then seeding it with worms then 
> collecting the worm emissions to sell.  I met the guys a few years back, 
> they were kinda neo-hippies with this whack scheme and I think they 
> actually did it for awhile and sold a few bags of wormsh*t to gardeners 
> (it was not cheap) but then lost interest in the labor-intensiveness and 
> abandoned the pile of rotting food waste (including worms too I guess) 
> on the farm, which was quite fragrant for awhile.
> 
> He also now has a herd of water buffaloes that he inherited due to a 
> similar scheme to make mozzarella cheese, the story of the whole ongoing 
> debacle is about the funniest thing I have ever heard.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 6/16/17 8:21 AM, Curley McLain via M


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As a portion of the grid methane production makes good sense, provides 
baseload...
-Curt


  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
On farm methane production was popular in the 80s.  Then the goobermnt/big 3 
buyers engineered a reduction in farm income, so nobody had money to build 
them.  There was 2-3 years  again recently where farm income started to make 
sense and people were building again, but this time it was more monoslope 
cattle buildings, (passive solar) Not so much methane production.


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  June 16, 2017 at 8:02 AM  This is an up and 
coming thing on farms. Dad was telling me about going to some place in Maine 
that was way off the end of a dirt road in the middle of nowhere that had a 
great big digester. He said you knew something was up by the size of the power 
lines to and from the place.I forget how much power they were making but it was 
a big net-producer of power while also powering everything on the farm.
-Curt




   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

you need a couple of BIG sycamore trees that get plenty of water.  Those 
will produce 4-6 cubic YARDS of mulch each year.  Way more than we need 
for a 800-1000 sq ft garden. not to mention a steady supply of kindling 
for your wood fars.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 8:11 AM
Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive 
but you need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use 
trays the worms migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move 
down, you harvest that tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I 
think its top down but it could be the other way, its been awhile 
since I looked into it.
Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood 
chips. Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple 
days. It only makes a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. 
Someday if we move up north full time I'll look into something like 
that, not for commercial purposes, just to compost a large garden. Let 
the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings and the tree service 
guys dump tree trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the garden.I do this 
on a very small scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of compost a year 
which is limited mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. I've 
tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be 
bothered.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

On farm methane production was popular in the 80s.  Then the 
goobermnt/big 3 buyers engineered a reduction in farm income, so nobody 
had money to build them.  There was 2-3 years  again recently where farm 
income started to make sense and people were building again, but this 
time it was more monoslope cattle buildings, (passive solar) Not so much 
methane production.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 8:02 AM
This is an up and coming thing on farms. Dad was telling me about 
going to some place in Maine that was way off the end of a dirt road 
in the middle of nowhere that had a great big digester. He said you 
knew something was up by the size of the power lines to and from the 
place.I forget how much power they were making but it was a big 
net-producer of power while also powering everything on the farm.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Worm castings are big business and *shouldn't* be too labor intensive but you 
need a good system thats well thought out. The smart folks use trays the worms 
migrate through. So as the food is consumed they move down, you harvest that 
tray, reload and place it at the bottom. I think its top down but it could be 
the other way, its been awhile since I looked into it.
Compost is way easier, make a big pile of food waste mixed with wood chips. 
Cover it all in a couple inches of chips, turn every couple days. It only makes 
a smell for an hour or two while you're turning. Someday if we move up north 
full time I'll look into something like that, not for commercial purposes, just 
to compost a large garden. Let the lawn service guys dump their grass clippings 
and the tree service guys dump tree trimmings, mix, wait and spread in the 
garden.I do this on a very small scale now, We produce 4-5 cubic feet of 
compost a year which is limited mostly by the fact that we don't eat that much. 
I've tried to get the neighbor to put his food waste in but he can't be 
bothered.
-Curt


  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human 
or bovine or pig or whatever.

A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm 
sh*t] operation wherein they were collecting food waste from some 
restaurants and dumping it out and then seeding it with worms then 
collecting the worm emissions to sell.  I met the guys a few years back, 
they were kinda neo-hippies with this whack scheme and I think they 
actually did it for awhile and sold a few bags of wormsh*t to gardeners 
(it was not cheap) but then lost interest in the labor-intensiveness and 
abandoned the pile of rotting food waste (including worms too I guess) 
on the farm, which was quite fragrant for awhile.

He also now has a herd of water buffaloes that he inherited due to a 
similar scheme to make mozzarella cheese, the story of the whole ongoing 
debacle is about the funniest thing I have ever heard.

--FT


On 6/16/17 8:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> a sewage plant with giant insinkerators to feed  into it.
>
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> June 16, 2017 at 6:36 AM
>> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able
>>
>> It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting 
>> to see
>> how it turns out.
>>
>> "North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground for Utah's 
>> first
>> food digester Thursday morning in a project aimed at reducing landfill
>> waste and harnessing unused renewable energy.
>>
>> The North Salt Lake facility, to be opened in late 2018, will deploy
>> anaerobic digesters to grind and liquify food waste, then use water, 
>> heat
>> and bacteria to convert it into methane gas to be used as natural gas 
>> and
>> bio-solids to be converted into fertilizer."
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Where the insinkerator and treatment works take the place of the human 
or bovine or pig or whatever.


A buddy of mine allowed some dudes to set up a [food waste --> worm 
sh*t] operation wherein they were collecting food waste from some 
restaurants and dumping it out and then seeding it with worms then 
collecting the worm emissions to sell.  I met the guys a few years back, 
they were kinda neo-hippies with this whack scheme and I think they 
actually did it for awhile and sold a few bags of wormsh*t to gardeners 
(it was not cheap) but then lost interest in the labor-intensiveness and 
abandoned the pile of rotting food waste (including worms too I guess) 
on the farm, which was quite fragrant for awhile.


He also now has a herd of water buffaloes that he inherited due to a 
similar scheme to make mozzarella cheese, the story of the whole ongoing 
debacle is about the funniest thing I have ever heard.


--FT


On 6/16/17 8:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

a sewage plant with giant insinkerators to feed  into it.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 6:36 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able

It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting 
to see

how it turns out.

"North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground for Utah's 
first

food digester Thursday morning in a project aimed at reducing landfill
waste and harnessing unused renewable energy.

The North Salt Lake facility, to be opened in late 2018, will deploy
anaerobic digesters to grind and liquify food waste, then use water, 
heat
and bacteria to convert it into methane gas to be used as natural gas 
and

bio-solids to be converted into fertilizer."
-
Max
Charleston SC
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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

This is an up and coming thing on farms. Dad was telling me about going to some 
place in Maine that was way off the end of a dirt road in the middle of nowhere 
that had a great big digester. He said you knew something was up by the size of 
the power lines to and from the place.I forget how much power they were making 
but it was a big net-producer of power while also powering everything on the 
farm.
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 7:36 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah
   
http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able

It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting to see
how it turns out.

"North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground for Utah's first
food digester Thursday morning in a project aimed at reducing landfill
waste and harnessing unused renewable energy.

The North Salt Lake facility, to be opened in late 2018, will deploy
anaerobic digesters to grind and liquify food waste, then use water, heat
and bacteria to convert it into methane gas to be used as natural gas and
bio-solids to be converted into fertilizer."
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

a sewage plant with giant insinkerators to feed  into it.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
June 16, 2017 at 6:36 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able

It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting 
to see

how it turns out.

"North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground for Utah's first
food digester Thursday morning in a project aimed at reducing landfill
waste and harnessing unused renewable energy.

The North Salt Lake facility, to be opened in late 2018, will deploy
anaerobic digesters to grind and liquify food waste, then use water, heat
and bacteria to convert it into methane gas to be used as natural gas and
bio-solids to be converted into fertilizer."
-
Max
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] OT Renewable Energy project in Utah

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/5398548-155/new-utah-facility-will-be-able

It doesn't look like this will generate revenue, will be interesting to see
how it turns out.

"North Salt Lake • State and local officials broke ground for Utah's first
food digester Thursday morning in a project aimed at reducing landfill
waste and harnessing unused renewable energy.

The North Salt Lake facility, to be opened in late 2018, will deploy
anaerobic digesters to grind and liquify food waste, then use water, heat
and bacteria to convert it into methane gas to be used as natural gas and
bio-solids to be converted into fertilizer."
-
Max
Charleston SC
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