Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
I cured that with a 215 CI Olds V8 in my MGA. >Honestly, they are nothing like a MG, and they will start when it rains > > > Harry > 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles > 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles > 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion > 1999 Mazda Miata ? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
Yep, that gen of Miata has a live axel, but the later one is independent Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 7:17 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > After owning a Miata for the last 6 years I will admit its not easiest to get into. Once in > they are quite comfortable and there is plenty of room, even for someone over 6'? They are > very reliable, well put together and handle well, but with a live axle I doubt they would > > outhandle a Z3. Live axle? I thought there was a rigid framework linking the diff to the tranny to prevent wind-up? Or am I confusing it with the 3rd gen RX7? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > After owning a Miata for the last 6 years I will admit its not easiest to get > into. Once in > they are quite comfortable and there is plenty of room, even > for someone over 6'? They are > very reliable, well put together and handle > well, but with a live axle I doubt they would > > outhandle a Z3. Live axle? I thought there was a rigid framework linking the diff to the tranny to prevent wind-up? Or am I confusing it with the 3rd gen RX7? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
After owning a Miata for the last 6 years I will admit its not easiest to get into. Once in they are quite comfortable and there is plenty of room, even for someone over 6'? They are very reliable, well put together and handle well, but with a live axle I doubt they would outhandle a Z3. Honestly, they are nothing like a MG, especially when you factor in 4 wheel disc brakes, power steering and they will start when it rains Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: ned kleinhenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes List Sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:30 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread Bill: I don't think there is much difference between a Z3 and a Miata in terms of room for getting (climbing) in and out. If you spot a Z3 for sale, you might stop and try climbing into it to see for yourself. The roadster I remember being particularly difficult to contort my middle aged body into is the S2000. Incidently, I considered a Miata and believe it too would be a good choice. Miata is smaller than a Z3 (or Boxter, SLC, S2000 etc), and IMHO it handles the best - like a go cart. And I expect it requires less repair than any of the German choices. But for my purposes, a Miata is too much like the MG's and Triumphs I fooled around with in my youth, when I wished I could afford a Jag E-type or a Healy 3000. My Z3 is more like those bigger, more powerful roadsters. YMMV. Ned K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonder if a 603 would fit -- torque! On 7/5/07, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that would be fun. Small block V8 > and I understand there are plenty of kits available. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That surprises me. I was just thinking about the seats in my Dodge Dakota today. Its a '96 with 203,000 miles and the seats are still pretty decent. We're getting on to what I consider the life expectancy of the engine and I'm pondering my next move. The tranny has also pretty well had it. One big thought is a 4BT (or similar) with a new trans. But then geez I'd ought to get new doors as the old ones are starting to rot, and theres a bit of rust starting on one fender. Old Dakotas around here are known for breaking frames too so... Think I'll go test drive a Colorado, I've got $3k in earnings on my GM card and I've got a couple business trips coming up that could probably add another $500 pretty quick. -Curt Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Right. I didn't (don't) have any trouble at all fitting in her 6. It's just the 8 and the Miata that I can't seem to fit in due to my height. As for her 6, it's a nice car, but the cloth upholstery sucks. Coming up on 2 years old and it's already beginning to wear. I tried to talk her into leather, but she wouldn't go for it. Validation. Dan - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
Dan - My son is 6'2" also, and does well with his, but he has lowered seats. His wife is fairly short, but her head topped above the roll bar, so he got a lowered seat for her side so the roll bar will actually protect them - should it be needed ... I'm 5'10" and it works well for me - I just have problems getting in and especially getting out. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread I think Mazda has a thing about people taller than 6 feet. I say that because I couldn't fit in a Miata if I tried (I'm 6'2".) I was serious considering a Mazda 8 a couple of years ago when we bought the wife's Mazda 6, but I couldn't fit in the damned thing. Even with the seat all the way back my head was touching the roof. Dan --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > John Freer wrote: > > > > H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that > would be fun. Small block V8 > > and I understand there are plenty of kits > available. > > I remember the "Monster" w/302 Ford. I'd rather keep > it Mazda with a 13B turbo rotary engine. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
Right. I didn't (don't) have any trouble at all fitting in her 6. It's just the 8 and the Miata that I can't seem to fit in due to my height. As for her 6, it's a nice car, but the cloth upholstery sucks. Coming up on 2 years old and it's already beginning to wear. I tried to talk her into leather, but she wouldn't go for it. Validation. Dan --- R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No problem with the Mazda 6. My neighbor has a new > one and he is 6'5". Seems to fit fine. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > LWB250 > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:17 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW > thread > > > I think Mazda has a thing about people taller than 6 > feet. I say that because I couldn't fit in a Miata > if > I tried (I'm 6'2".) > > I was serious considering a Mazda 8 a couple of > years > ago when we bought the wife's Mazda 6, but I > couldn't > fit in the damned thing. Even with the seat all the > way back my head was touching the roof. > > Dan > > > > --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > John Freer wrote: > > > > > > H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that > > would be fun. Small block V8 > > > and I understand there are plenty of kits > > available. > > > > I remember the "Monster" w/302 Ford. I'd rather > keep > > it Mazda with a 13B turbo rotary engine. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
No problem with the Mazda 6. My neighbor has a new one and he is 6'5". Seems to fit fine. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread I think Mazda has a thing about people taller than 6 feet. I say that because I couldn't fit in a Miata if I tried (I'm 6'2".) I was serious considering a Mazda 8 a couple of years ago when we bought the wife's Mazda 6, but I couldn't fit in the damned thing. Even with the seat all the way back my head was touching the roof. Dan --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > John Freer wrote: > > > > H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that > would be fun. Small block V8 > > and I understand there are plenty of kits > available. > > I remember the "Monster" w/302 Ford. I'd rather keep > it Mazda with a 13B turbo rotary engine. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
I think Mazda has a thing about people taller than 6 feet. I say that because I couldn't fit in a Miata if I tried (I'm 6'2".) I was serious considering a Mazda 8 a couple of years ago when we bought the wife's Mazda 6, but I couldn't fit in the damned thing. Even with the seat all the way back my head was touching the roof. Dan --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > John Freer wrote: > > > > H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that > would be fun. Small block V8 > > and I understand there are plenty of kits > available. > > I remember the "Monster" w/302 Ford. I'd rather keep > it Mazda with a 13B turbo rotary engine. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
John Freer wrote: > > H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that would be fun. Small block V8 > and I understand there are plenty of kits available. I remember the "Monster" w/302 Ford. I'd rather keep it Mazda with a 13B turbo rotary engine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt - you could do it like my son did. He bought a '90 with an engine he didn't particularly want and an automatic. He cleaned it up and sold the hard top for about half of what he paid for the car, then rented it for three months [to a lady who was being shipped overseas] to recover the rest of his investment. He then made contacts with a Miata group and bought a desired engine and 5 speed transmission cheap from a kid who had wrecked his Miata. He added a turbo to end up with a quite nice looking and well performing car. I'm not sure where his mechanical abilities come from [mine are far less], but I'm glad he has them. He really does not look like the mailman BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Freer Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that would be fun. Small block V8 and I understand there are plenty of kits available. On 7/5/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Curt Raymond wrote: > > I think the Miata is one of the nicest sports cars around. A friend has > one in black that I think is stunning. They fit like a glove too. > > I'd like to have one if I could sneak it past the wife (well that and if > our mortgage didn't dictate no toy purchases). > > 15 year old MX-5s are getting to be like 25 year old 300SDs, pricewise. > There's a seemingly good one (~140kmi) advertised locally for $3500. > Mitch. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
H, candidates for a Monster Miata? Now that would be fun. Small block V8 and I understand there are plenty of kits available. On 7/5/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Curt Raymond wrote: > > I think the Miata is one of the nicest sports cars around. A friend has > one in black that I think is stunning. They fit like a glove too. > > I'd like to have one if I could sneak it past the wife (well that and if > our mortgage didn't dictate no toy purchases). > > 15 year old MX-5s are getting to be like 25 year old 300SDs, pricewise. > There's a seemingly good one (~140kmi) advertised locally for $3500. > Mitch. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
Curt Raymond wrote: > I think the Miata is one of the nicest sports cars around. A friend has one > in black that I think is stunning. They fit like a glove too. > I'd like to have one if I could sneak it past the wife (well that and if our > mortgage didn't dictate no toy purchases). 15 year old MX-5s are getting to be like 25 year old 300SDs, pricewise. There's a seemingly good one (~140kmi) advertised locally for $3500. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
Hey Bill, I think the Miata is one of the nicest sports cars around. A friend has one in black that I think is stunning. They fit like a glove too. I'd like to have one if I could sneak it past the wife (well that and if our mortgage didn't dictate no toy purchases). Unfortunately at my size I have to open the roof to get in and out... -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 01:41:54 -0400 From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, Ned. I need to replace a 'big' car first for my wife [hopefully with Donald's 300SEL], then if the $$ hold out I may well look for one. My son has a '90 Miata that he enjoys driving, but he was a mechanic prior to his current incarnation as a computer guru for the USAF, and can do everything himself. I'm not so gifted. The problem with the Miata is that I would need to install a lift where the back seat should be to get me in and out of the thing. The Z3 looks a bit more accessible for an old man while still fun to drive. I'm due for another trip down the Blue Ridge Parkway. BillR Jacksonville FL 19881 300SD 291k miles - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have you ever tried to get out of a Pontiac Fiero?? I remember when they were new in the showrooms. I was much younger and thinner then and I had a hard time getting out of the darned thing. It needed a removable steering wheel like the race cars. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of BillR Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:07 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread I have not gotten as far as actually sitting in one, but if it is much like the Miata I wouldn't want to try it. I went with a friend who was shopping for an exotic, and when he suggested I sit in one of them I discovered I could not twist myself in the ways needed to get all the way in. Guess it is a good thing such items are out of my price range. I don't do well getting up from the seat of his Miata. His is fitted with special seats to lower them in relation to the roll bar [he is tall] and has the 5 point harness. Fun to ride in except for the getting in and out part, but too cramped for me to drive easily - in addition to the engine modifications he has added that make it a bit peppier than my 300SD ... . I will try one out a Z3 one of these days, but will not be in a hurry to do so. Maybe my age and condition suggest a MB coupe. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have not gotten as far as actually sitting in one, but if it is much like the Miata I wouldn't want to try it. I went with a friend who was shopping for an exotic, and when he suggested I sit in one of them I discovered I could not twist myself in the ways needed to get all the way in. Guess it is a good thing such items are out of my price range. I don't do well getting up from the seat of his Miata. His is fitted with special seats to lower them in relation to the roll bar [he is tall] and has the 5 point harness. Fun to ride in except for the getting in and out part, but too cramped for me to drive easily - in addition to the engine modifications he has added that make it a bit peppier than my 300SD ... . I will try one out a Z3 one of these days, but will not be in a hurry to do so. Maybe my age and condition suggest a MB coupe. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ned kleinhenz Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:30 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread Bill: I don't think there is much difference between a Z3 and a Miata in terms of room for getting (climbing) in and out. If you spot a Z3 for sale, you might stop and try climbing into it to see for yourself. The roadster I remember being particularly difficult to contort my middle aged body into is the S2000. Incidently, I considered a Miata and believe it too would be a good choice. Miata is smaller than a Z3 (or Boxter, SLC, S2000 etc), and IMHO it handles the best - like a go cart. And I expect it requires less repair than any of the German choices. But for my purposes, a Miata is too much like the MG's and Triumphs I fooled around with in my youth, when I wished I could afford a Jag E-type or a Healy 3000. My Z3 is more like those bigger, more powerful roadsters. YMMV. Ned K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In my postings to this thread, I made an error which may have puzzled some. While searching for a roadster I said I considered Mercedes SLC. I should have said "SLK." By the way, all the SLK's I found were above my price range and with automatic transmissions. An automatic is OK in my diesels. But for me a sports car is not a sports car unless I can jam the gears. Ned K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bill: I don't think there is much difference between a Z3 and a Miata in terms of room for getting (climbing) in and out. If you spot a Z3 for sale, you might stop and try climbing into it to see for yourself. The roadster I remember being particularly difficult to contort my middle aged body into is the S2000. Incidently, I considered a Miata and believe it too would be a good choice. Miata is smaller than a Z3 (or Boxter, SLC, S2000 etc), and IMHO it handles the best - like a go cart. And I expect it requires less repair than any of the German choices. But for my purposes, a Miata is too much like the MG's and Triumphs I fooled around with in my youth, when I wished I could afford a Jag E-type or a Healy 3000. My Z3 is more like those bigger, more powerful roadsters. YMMV. Ned K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:50:05 -0400 "ned kleinhenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The first week I had it it, it threw a water pump bearing and damaged > some cooling system stuff. After towing it home, I fixed it in a few > hours with $100 in parts for some place called Buy Euro Parts.com. Rusty to the rescue! He does indeed sell more than Benz parts. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, Ned. I need to replace a 'big' car first for my wife [hopefully with Donald's 300SEL], then if the $$ hold out I may well look for one. My son has a '90 Miata that he enjoys driving, but he was a mechanic prior to his current incarnation as a computer guru for the USAF, and can do everything himself. I'm not so gifted. The problem with the Miata is that I would need to install a lift where the back seat should be to get me in and out of the thing. The Z3 looks a bit more accessible for an old man while still fun to drive. I'm due for another trip down the Blue Ridge Parkway. BillR Jacksonville FL 19881 300SD 291k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ned kleinhenz Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:50 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread << BillR wrote- I have been playing with the idea of getting a Z3. How has it been to own?>> Bill: I have a 2.8 liter Roadster with a five speed, and it is a circus to drive. I have owned it since late October, and put about 10k miles on it, so far. I garaged it about 3 months, last winter. I wanted some type of sports car and found Z3 to be the most cost effective when compared to Boxter and Honda S2000, and MB SLC (used cars about 5 to 10 years old). Performace of a six cylinder Z3 is very comparable to those cars I compared it with. The real excitement is in its acceleration. It has a torque curve shaped like the one for my 606 diesel (Z3 has a much higher power to weight ratio). It can pin you back against the seat anytime you step on the gas above 2500 rpm. And of course it handles ... like a BMW. The first week I had it it, it threw a water pump bearing and damaged some cooling system stuff. After towing it home, I fixed it in a few hours with $100 in parts for some place called Buy Euro Parts.com. Since then, I've had only a few and minor things to fix. I've driven Merecedes for 23 years, and I know them well. I've only driven this Z3 for about 8 months. So the jury is still out if you're asking if I would recommend one. However, my student son has had an '89 E30 (325iC) for about 4-5 years. And we've had very good luck with that car. I guess that is why, as an MB afficionado, I still defend BMW. Cheers, Ned K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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<< BillR wrote- I have been playing with the idea of getting a Z3. How has it been to own?>> Bill: I have a 2.8 liter Roadster with a five speed, and it is a circus to drive. I have owned it since late October, and put about 10k miles on it, so far. I garaged it about 3 months, last winter. I wanted some type of sports car and found Z3 to be the most cost effective when compared to Boxter and Honda S2000, and MB SLC (used cars about 5 to 10 years old). Performace of a six cylinder Z3 is very comparable to those cars I compared it with. The real excitement is in its acceleration. It has a torque curve shaped like the one for my 606 diesel (Z3 has a much higher power to weight ratio). It can pin you back against the seat anytime you step on the gas above 2500 rpm. And of course it handles ... like a BMW. The first week I had it it, it threw a water pump bearing and damaged some cooling system stuff. After towing it home, I fixed it in a few hours with $100 in parts for some place called Buy Euro Parts.com. Since then, I've had only a few and minor things to fix. I've driven Merecedes for 23 years, and I know them well. I've only driven this Z3 for about 8 months. So the jury is still out if you're asking if I would recommend one. However, my student son has had an '89 E30 (325iC) for about 4-5 years. And we've had very good luck with that car. I guess that is why, as an MB afficionado, I still defend BMW. Cheers, Ned K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ned - I have been playing with the idea of getting a Z3. How has it been to own? BillR 1981 300SD 292k 2001 I30 89k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ned kleinhenz Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:02 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread I'm very relieved to see this thread was mostly tongue in cheek. It started out sounding like the ultimate in stereotyping and prejudice. Indeed, Mercedes owners calling bimmer owners arrogant and pretentious is ridiculous. Personality depends upon the owner, not the car. I own both brands. And both are excellent marques, but for different reasons. Working on both is similar. And BMW is almost as durable as MB. When I need to drive something roomy, comfortable and reliable I start up my (extremely used) E300D. When I want to drive something really fun, I take out my (very used) Z3 Roadster.. Ned K '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD '89 325 iC '00 Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm very relieved to see this thread was mostly tongue in cheek. It started out sounding like the ultimate in stereotyping and prejudice. Indeed, Mercedes owners calling bimmer owners arrogant and pretentious is ridiculous. Personality depends upon the owner, not the car. I own both brands. And both are excellent marques, but for different reasons. Working on both is similar. And BMW is almost as durable as MB. When I need to drive something roomy, comfortable and reliable I start up my (extremely used) E300D. When I want to drive something really fun, I take out my (very used) Z3 Roadster.. Ned K '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD '89 325 iC '00 Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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123s - on the news in some foreign war-torn country being used by guerillas, warlords, or dignitaries, My first Diesel Mercedes, a '78 300D, got the name "Taliban Sedan" by one of the neighbors. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The determinant in whether a Benz owner is an obnoxious twit is generally that he bought it NEW, while the rest of us proles bought at deep discounts! On 7/2/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One thing that I've taken note of in my decision making process > regarding buying a Benz is how often I see Benzes - older ones like > 123s - on the news in some foreign war-torn country being used by > guerillas, warlords, or dignitaries, etc. > > It would seem to suggest that they are pretty reliable. I mean, you > may see the rich leaders using other makes, but when it comes to poor, > determined people, they seem to have '80s Benzes. > > Brian > 83 240D > 87 190D > > Andrew wrote: > > Mechanics say the main difference between BMWs and MBs from the > technician's > > standpoint is that "BMWs break". > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One thing that I've taken note of in my decision making process regarding buying a Benz is how often I see Benzes - older ones like 123s - on the news in some foreign war-torn country being used by guerillas, warlords, or dignitaries, etc. It would seem to suggest that they are pretty reliable. I mean, you may see the rich leaders using other makes, but when it comes to poor, determined people, they seem to have '80s Benzes. Brian 83 240D 87 190D Andrew wrote: > Mechanics say the main difference between BMWs and MBs from the technician's > standpoint is that "BMWs break". ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Depends upon whether they bought to car to have a very good car or to show how much money they can spend. The latter tend to be obnoxious, the former tend to be picky. I'll take picky over obnoxious any day! Peter On Jul 2, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: > I know. I just have fun with this kind of thing, and a lot of it does > ring true. > > In fact, as a gas station attendant I used to get treated pretty > poorly by drivers of just about all luxury cars. We could hear the > Benz diesels coming from before they showed up at our driveway, and we > knew two things: we had a full-serve coming in, and we ought to brace > ourselves for the accompanying attitude. But one of the > foulest-attituded women drove a convertible Olds Cutlass - about '72 > vintage. > > It's so funny that now I am driving the exact same type of Benz that > we used to dread, but I'm as far from pretentious as the car is from > cutting edge luxury. > > Brian > > On 7/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I see it this way..in most cases if the person is arrogant jerk >> because of the car he drives, 9 times out of 10 he/she was that way >> long before they bought it. As a Benz owner I'd be just as happy >> behind the wheel of a BMW. Mainly because they are great cars, handle >> so much better than anything in their class and?are safe.?They're no >> less reliable that most european cars on the road. Thinking that a >> car can change a person into a arrogant a$$ is nothing more than a >> opinion. We all know what opinions are like? Besides, if you've ever >> heard the engine in a M3 at full tilt...it just swt! >> >> >> Harry >> 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles >> 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles >> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion >> 1999 Mazda Miata ? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:52 pm >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread >> >> >> >> On 7/1/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I haven't known many BMW owners, but three I can think of are my >>> uncle >>> (has been restoring some really small old one for a long time now). >>> And my mother in law (bizarre to me - total prude evil wretch who has >>> one of those Z convertibles. Must be a late-mid-life crisis). And the >>> fiance of a friend of my wife's. He's an IBM engineer and is kind of >>> an arrogant guy for a geek. >>> >>> So there are two out of three that fall in line with the general >>> opinion of the list. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Clay wrote: >>> The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a >>> bit of european flair. They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, >>> whole foods, or chic night clubs. More cash than brains. >>> >>> This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the >>> nail in Seattle >>> >> >> FWIW (not much), I used to own a BMW before I got the Mercedes diesel >> bug, and I don't think I fit Clay's stereotype---I liked the Bimmer >> not for its prestige value but for the same reason I like other >> European cars, for its quirky design, personality, safety, and high >> fun-to-drive levels compared to just about anything else I could have >> had for the same price. >> >> The one I had was a 1989 E30 chassis 325iX (for those not familiar >> with BMW taxonomy, that's a subcompact sedan with a 2.5 liter six and >> four-wheel-drive). I felt like quality-wise it was a notch below an >> '80s Mercedes, but inconsistently so---the paint held up better than >> most 123s I've seen on the road, and the interior leather was very >> tough, but the plastics used were definitely of lower quality, and it >> had constant electrical problems which I assume were due to inferior >> insulation and connectors. >> >> Just like an M-B, the engineering was a puzzling mix of genius (e.g. >> the semi-trailing-arm suspension which made for fantastic handling, >> the perfect placement of the instruments and controls) and stupidity >> (the front left halfshaft that went through the oil pan). >> >> I still am tempted by '80s BMWs all the time. If I found a cherry '87 >> or '88 535is for sale nearby, red with tan leather and a 5-speed, I'd >> have my wallet out in a heartbeat. >> >> Alex Chamberlain >>
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I know. I just have fun with this kind of thing, and a lot of it does ring true. In fact, as a gas station attendant I used to get treated pretty poorly by drivers of just about all luxury cars. We could hear the Benz diesels coming from before they showed up at our driveway, and we knew two things: we had a full-serve coming in, and we ought to brace ourselves for the accompanying attitude. But one of the foulest-attituded women drove a convertible Olds Cutlass - about '72 vintage. It's so funny that now I am driving the exact same type of Benz that we used to dread, but I'm as far from pretentious as the car is from cutting edge luxury. Brian On 7/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see it this way..in most cases if the person is arrogant jerk because of > the car he drives, 9 times out of 10 he/she was that way long before they > bought it. As a Benz owner I'd be just as happy behind the wheel of a BMW. > Mainly because they are great cars, handle so much better than anything in > their class and?are safe.?They're no less reliable that most european cars on > the road. Thinking that a car can change a person into a arrogant a$$ is > nothing more than a opinion. We all know what opinions are like? Besides, if > you've ever heard the engine in a M3 at full tilt...it just swt! > > > Harry > 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles > 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles > 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion > 1999 Mazda Miata ? > > > -Original Message- > From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:52 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread > > > > On 7/1/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I haven't known many BMW owners, but three I can think of are my uncle > > (has been restoring some really small old one for a long time now). > > And my mother in law (bizarre to me - total prude evil wretch who has > > one of those Z convertibles. Must be a late-mid-life crisis). And the > > fiance of a friend of my wife's. He's an IBM engineer and is kind of > > an arrogant guy for a geek. > > > > So there are two out of three that fall in line with the general > > opinion of the list. > > > > Brian > > > > Clay wrote: > > The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a > > bit of european flair. They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, > > whole foods, or chic night clubs. More cash than brains. > > > > This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the > > nail in Seattle > > > > FWIW (not much), I used to own a BMW before I got the Mercedes diesel > bug, and I don't think I fit Clay's stereotype---I liked the Bimmer > not for its prestige value but for the same reason I like other > European cars, for its quirky design, personality, safety, and high > fun-to-drive levels compared to just about anything else I could have > had for the same price. > > The one I had was a 1989 E30 chassis 325iX (for those not familiar > with BMW taxonomy, that's a subcompact sedan with a 2.5 liter six and > four-wheel-drive). I felt like quality-wise it was a notch below an > '80s Mercedes, but inconsistently so---the paint held up better than > most 123s I've seen on the road, and the interior leather was very > tough, but the plastics used were definitely of lower quality, and it > had constant electrical problems which I assume were due to inferior > insulation and connectors. > > Just like an M-B, the engineering was a puzzling mix of genius (e.g. > the semi-trailing-arm suspension which made for fantastic handling, > the perfect placement of the instruments and controls) and stupidity > (the front left halfshaft that went through the oil pan). > > I still am tempted by '80s BMWs all the time. If I found a cherry '87 > or '88 535is for sale nearby, red with tan leather and a 5-speed, I'd > have my wallet out in a heartbeat. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo > '93 Isuzu Trooper > '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading > spam and email virus protection. > ___ > http://www
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I had a mechanic who though relatively highly of the early 80's 300 series BMW, but advised that they tended to show age catastrophically. The other models were far too expensive and fell apart as quickly if not faster. He drove a porsche, and was as nice as could be. He was not overly fond of the owners of bimmers that came to his shop, and promised me a great deal on the model of my choice where I interested. Seems the bimmer folks would rather let him get a lien than pay for repairs and go buy themselves new wheels. On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On 7/1/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I haven't known many BMW owners, but three I can think of are my >> uncle >> (has been restoring some really small old one for a long time now). >> And my mother in law (bizarre to me - total prude evil wretch who has >> one of those Z convertibles. Must be a late-mid-life crisis). And the >> fiance of a friend of my wife's. He's an IBM engineer and is kind of >> an arrogant guy for a geek. >> >> So there are two out of three that fall in line with the general >> opinion of the list. >> >> Brian >> >> Clay wrote: >> The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a >> bit of european flair. They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, >> whole foods, or chic night clubs. More cash than brains. >> >> This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the >> nail in Seattle >> > > FWIW (not much), I used to own a BMW before I got the Mercedes diesel > bug, and I don't think I fit Clay's stereotype---I liked the Bimmer > not for its prestige value but for the same reason I like other > European cars, for its quirky design, personality, safety, and high > fun-to-drive levels compared to just about anything else I could have > had for the same price. > > The one I had was a 1989 E30 chassis 325iX (for those not familiar > with BMW taxonomy, that's a subcompact sedan with a 2.5 liter six and > four-wheel-drive). I felt like quality-wise it was a notch below an > '80s Mercedes, but inconsistently so---the paint held up better than > most 123s I've seen on the road, and the interior leather was very > tough, but the plastics used were definitely of lower quality, and it > had constant electrical problems which I assume were due to inferior > insulation and connectors. > > Just like an M-B, the engineering was a puzzling mix of genius (e.g. > the semi-trailing-arm suspension which made for fantastic handling, > the perfect placement of the instruments and controls) and stupidity > (the front left halfshaft that went through the oil pan). > > I still am tempted by '80s BMWs all the time. If I found a cherry '87 > or '88 535is for sale nearby, red with tan leather and a 5-speed, I'd > have my wallet out in a heartbeat. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo > '93 Isuzu Trooper > '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
You would hear that from a Benz mechanic as well.. most of them will tell you the more complex and expensive a car is, the better chance of something going wrong. Besides if you pay attention to the car requirements?for maintainence (and each vehicle is different) it shouldn't break. Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 9:40 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread Mechanics say the main difference between BMWs and MBs from the technician's standpoint is that "BMWs break". On 7/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Harry > 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles > 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles > 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion > 1999 Mazda Miata ? > > I used to think Benz owners were arrogant a$$holes who thought their sh*t > doesn't stink. They wear overpriced 3 piece suits and think everything else > on the road is inferior. The old saying goes, don't knock it till you try > it.. Could explain why you see Beemer owners with bumper stickers that say > "My Mercedes is in the shop"..;) > > Clay wrote: > The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a > bit of european flair.? They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, > whole foods, or chic night clubs.? More cash than brains. > > This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the > nail in Seattle > > Hendrick wrote: > Wash your mouth out with soap. > The only good beemer is a beemer in a crusher. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I see it this way..in most cases if the person is arrogant jerk because of the car he drives, 9 times out of 10 he/she was that way long before they bought it. As a Benz owner I'd be just as happy behind the wheel of a BMW. Mainly because they are great cars, handle so much better than anything in their class and?are safe.?They're no less reliable that most european cars on the road. Thinking that a car can change a person into a arrogant a$$ is nothing more than a opinion. We all know what opinions are like? Besides, if you've ever heard the engine in a M3 at full tilt...it just swt! Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread On 7/1/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't known many BMW owners, but three I can think of are my uncle > (has been restoring some really small old one for a long time now). > And my mother in law (bizarre to me - total prude evil wretch who has > one of those Z convertibles. Must be a late-mid-life crisis). And the > fiance of a friend of my wife's. He's an IBM engineer and is kind of > an arrogant guy for a geek. > > So there are two out of three that fall in line with the general > opinion of the list. > > Brian > > Clay wrote: > The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a > bit of european flair. They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, > whole foods, or chic night clubs. More cash than brains. > > This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the > nail in Seattle > FWIW (not much), I used to own a BMW before I got the Mercedes diesel bug, and I don't think I fit Clay's stereotype---I liked the Bimmer not for its prestige value but for the same reason I like other European cars, for its quirky design, personality, safety, and high fun-to-drive levels compared to just about anything else I could have had for the same price. The one I had was a 1989 E30 chassis 325iX (for those not familiar with BMW taxonomy, that's a subcompact sedan with a 2.5 liter six and four-wheel-drive). I felt like quality-wise it was a notch below an '80s Mercedes, but inconsistently so---the paint held up better than most 123s I've seen on the road, and the interior leather was very tough, but the plastics used were definitely of lower quality, and it had constant electrical problems which I assume were due to inferior insulation and connectors. Just like an M-B, the engineering was a puzzling mix of genius (e.g. the semi-trailing-arm suspension which made for fantastic handling, the perfect placement of the instruments and controls) and stupidity (the front left halfshaft that went through the oil pan). I still am tempted by '80s BMWs all the time. If I found a cherry '87 or '88 535is for sale nearby, red with tan leather and a 5-speed, I'd have my wallet out in a heartbeat. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
On 7/1/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't known many BMW owners, but three I can think of are my uncle > (has been restoring some really small old one for a long time now). > And my mother in law (bizarre to me - total prude evil wretch who has > one of those Z convertibles. Must be a late-mid-life crisis). And the > fiance of a friend of my wife's. He's an IBM engineer and is kind of > an arrogant guy for a geek. > > So there are two out of three that fall in line with the general > opinion of the list. > > Brian > > Clay wrote: > The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a > bit of european flair. They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, > whole foods, or chic night clubs. More cash than brains. > > This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the > nail in Seattle > FWIW (not much), I used to own a BMW before I got the Mercedes diesel bug, and I don't think I fit Clay's stereotype---I liked the Bimmer not for its prestige value but for the same reason I like other European cars, for its quirky design, personality, safety, and high fun-to-drive levels compared to just about anything else I could have had for the same price. The one I had was a 1989 E30 chassis 325iX (for those not familiar with BMW taxonomy, that's a subcompact sedan with a 2.5 liter six and four-wheel-drive). I felt like quality-wise it was a notch below an '80s Mercedes, but inconsistently so---the paint held up better than most 123s I've seen on the road, and the interior leather was very tough, but the plastics used were definitely of lower quality, and it had constant electrical problems which I assume were due to inferior insulation and connectors. Just like an M-B, the engineering was a puzzling mix of genius (e.g. the semi-trailing-arm suspension which made for fantastic handling, the perfect placement of the instruments and controls) and stupidity (the front left halfshaft that went through the oil pan). I still am tempted by '80s BMWs all the time. If I found a cherry '87 or '88 535is for sale nearby, red with tan leather and a 5-speed, I'd have my wallet out in a heartbeat. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
Mechanics say the main difference between BMWs and MBs from the technician's standpoint is that "BMWs break". On 7/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Harry > 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles > 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles > 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion > 1999 Mazda Miata ? > > I used to think Benz owners were arrogant a$$holes who thought their sh*t > doesn't stink. They wear overpriced 3 piece suits and think everything else > on the road is inferior. The old saying goes, don't knock it till you try > it.. Could explain why you see Beemer owners with bumper stickers that say > "My Mercedes is in the shop"..;) > > Clay wrote: > The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a > bit of european flair.? They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, > whole foods, or chic night clubs.? More cash than brains. > > This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the > nail in Seattle > > Hendrick wrote: > Wash your mouth out with soap. > The only good beemer is a beemer in a crusher. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? I used to think Benz owners were arrogant a$$holes who thought their sh*t doesn't stink. They wear overpriced 3 piece suits and think everything else on the road is inferior. The old saying goes, don't knock it till you try it.. Could explain why you see Beemer owners with bumper stickers that say "My Mercedes is in the shop"..;) Clay wrote: The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a bit of european flair.? They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, whole foods, or chic night clubs.? More cash than brains. This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the nail in Seattle Hendrick wrote: Wash your mouth out with soap. The only good beemer is a beemer in a crusher. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread
I haven't known many BMW owners, but three I can think of are my uncle (has been restoring some really small old one for a long time now). And my mother in law (bizarre to me - total prude evil wretch who has one of those Z convertibles. Must be a late-mid-life crisis). And the fiance of a friend of my wife's. He's an IBM engineer and is kind of an arrogant guy for a geek. So there are two out of three that fall in line with the general opinion of the list. Brian Clay wrote: The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a bit of european flair. They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, whole foods, or chic night clubs. More cash than brains. This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the nail in Seattle Hendrick wrote: Wash your mouth out with soap. The only good beemer is a beemer in a crusher. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
