Re: [MBZ] OT covid

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Some enterprising entrepreneur will be marketing Placebo pills that are "as
effective as Ivermectin at half the price."

On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 8:15 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Interesting to know. Thanks!
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
> > better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the
> hospital.
> > This is a randomized controlled trial, which is pretty much the strongest
> > type of design for proof in a clinical trial:
> >
> > https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2022, 5:35 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I love the color!
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Re: [MBZ] OT covid

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Interesting to know. Thanks!

-D

> On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
> better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the hospital.
> This is a randomized controlled trial, which is pretty much the strongest
> type of design for proof in a clinical trial:
> 
> https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483
> 
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022, 5:35 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> I love the color!
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5367679576681612/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT covid

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Probability that treatment is better than placebo: 91%.

On 2022-10-27 23:06, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the 
hospital.
This is a randomized controlled trial, which is pretty much the 
strongest

type of design for proof in a clinical trial:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483


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[MBZ] OT covid

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the hospital.
This is a randomized controlled trial, which is pretty much the strongest
type of design for proof in a clinical trial:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483

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> I love the color!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

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Yes it is effective.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Due to quick progression (6 days from from ++ to -- test) I am convinced
> that Paxlovid is effective.  Symptoms disappeared as well.  I will be
> testing every few days to check for rebound covid.
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think their point was that it won’t address the symptoms while you have
>> them, so use OTC stuff to deal with the symptoms and don’t expect the
>> Paxlovid to do it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you knock the virus down sooner you’re addressing the symptoms.
>> Whatever happened to real doctors?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the
>> symptoms, just knock the virus down quicker than if you let it run it’s
>> course. They said to just use OTC stuff for the symptoms, like
>> Dayquil/Nyquil, etc.
 
 -D
 
> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She
>> got some Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where
>> she could be up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr
>> straight. Her husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and
>> got it and his symptoms totally subsided. I guess the stuff works, best to
>> get it asap to minimize symptoms so if you’re getting flu-like symptoms
>> best to get the Pax.
> 
> She had one booster last year, did not get one this year. I don’t know
>> about him.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore
>> throat,
>> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to
>> minimize
>> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it
>> 2X
>> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
>> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
>> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the
>> virus.
>> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
>> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
>> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
>> 
>> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
>> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my
>> acquaintances has
>> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given
>> it to
>> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super
>> contagious.
>> 
>> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
>> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
>> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Due to quick progression (6 days from from ++ to -- test) I am convinced
that Paxlovid is effective.  Symptoms disappeared as well.  I will be
testing every few days to check for rebound covid.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think their point was that it won’t address the symptoms while you have
> them, so use OTC stuff to deal with the symptoms and don’t expect the
> Paxlovid to do it.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 21, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
> >
> > If you knock the virus down sooner you’re addressing the symptoms.
> Whatever happened to real doctors?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the
> symptoms, just knock the virus down quicker than if you let it run it’s
> course. They said to just use OTC stuff for the symptoms, like
> Dayquil/Nyquil, etc.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She
> got some Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where
> she could be up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr
> straight. Her husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and
> got it and his symptoms totally subsided. I guess the stuff works, best to
> get it asap to minimize symptoms so if you’re getting flu-like symptoms
> best to get the Pax.
> >>>
> >>> She had one booster last year, did not get one this year. I don’t know
> about him.
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >>>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore
> throat,
>  congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to
> minimize
>  risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it
> 2X
>  daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
>  disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
>  after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the
> virus.
>  Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
>  test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
>  afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> 
>  I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
>  generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my
> acquaintances has
>  Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given
> it to
>  me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super
> contagious.
> 
>  My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
>  contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
>  infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I think their point was that it won’t address the symptoms while you have them, 
so use OTC stuff to deal with the symptoms and don’t expect the Paxlovid to do 
it.

-D

> On Aug 21, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> If you knock the virus down sooner you’re addressing the symptoms. Whatever 
> happened to real doctors?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the 
>> symptoms, just knock the virus down quicker than if you let it run it’s 
>> course. They said to just use OTC stuff for the symptoms, like 
>> Dayquil/Nyquil, etc.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She got 
>>> some Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where she 
>>> could be up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr 
>>> straight. Her husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and 
>>> got it and his symptoms totally subsided. I guess the stuff works, best to 
>>> get it asap to minimize symptoms so if you’re getting flu-like symptoms 
>>> best to get the Pax. 
>>> 
>>> She had one booster last year, did not get one this year. I don’t know 
>>> about him. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
 congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
 risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
 daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
 disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
 after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
 Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
 test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
 afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
 
 I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
 generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
 Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
 me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
 
 My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
 contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
 infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

If you knock the virus down sooner you’re addressing the symptoms. Whatever 
happened to real doctors?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the 
> symptoms, just knock the virus down quicker than if you let it run it’s 
> course. They said to just use OTC stuff for the symptoms, like 
> Dayquil/Nyquil, etc.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She got 
>> some Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where she 
>> could be up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr 
>> straight. Her husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and 
>> got it and his symptoms totally subsided. I guess the stuff works, best to 
>> get it asap to minimize symptoms so if you’re getting flu-like symptoms best 
>> to get the Pax. 
>> 
>> She had one booster last year, did not get one this year. I don’t know about 
>> him. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
>>> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
>>> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
>>> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
>>> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
>>> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
>>> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
>>> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
>>> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
>>> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
>>> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
>>> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
>>> 
>>> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
>>> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
>>> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I dunno, if they're giving it the day I go see the doc I guess. I'm not sold on 
the value of the boosters.
Curt

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  On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:   Will you take the new booster shot this fall?

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:33 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

We had it back in April. I never tested positive but I had a wicked sinus 
headache and felt sore for a couple days. I've been having sinus issues for 
awhile and apparently if your sinuses don't drain properly you might never test 
positive...
We're both vaccinated but not boosted. Angie thinks she got it at the YMCA 
pool. I'm dubious, there are a ton of easier vectors.
Curt
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

  On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes wrote:   Oldest son went through exactly what 
you describe two weekends ago. He went to a local walk-in clinic which refused 
to give him Paxlovid because they said he wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom 
has cancer, I don’t want this in the house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he 
got it at work, as some of his co-workers were out with it.

He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid made 
him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask him.

He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested positive 
or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and are still 
masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have contracted COVID as of 
this date, knock on wood.

-D

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> 
> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
> 
> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Will you take the new booster shot this fall?

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:33 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We had it back in April. I never tested positive but I had a wicked sinus
> headache and felt sore for a couple days. I've been having sinus issues for
> awhile and apparently if your sinuses don't drain properly you might never
> test positive...
> We're both vaccinated but not boosted. Angie thinks she got it at the YMCA
> pool. I'm dubious, there are a ton of easier vectors.
> Curt
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Oldest son went through exactly what you
> describe two weekends ago. He went to a local walk-in clinic which refused
> to give him Paxlovid because they said he wasn’t “high risk” until I said
> “Mom has cancer, I don’t want this in the house.” They gave it to him. He
> thinks he got it at work, as some of his co-workers were out with it.
>
> He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid
> made him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask
> him.
>
> He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested
> positive or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and
> are still masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have
> contracted COVID as of this date, knock on wood.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> > congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> > risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> > daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> > disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> > after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> > Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> > test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> > afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> >
> > I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> > generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances
> has
> > Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it
> to
> > me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super
> contagious.
> >
> > My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> > contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> > infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We had it back in April. I never tested positive but I had a wicked sinus 
headache and felt sore for a couple days. I've been having sinus issues for 
awhile and apparently if your sinuses don't drain properly you might never test 
positive...
We're both vaccinated but not boosted. Angie thinks she got it at the YMCA 
pool. I'm dubious, there are a ton of easier vectors.
Curt
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  On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes wrote:   Oldest son went through exactly what 
you describe two weekends ago. He went to a local walk-in clinic which refused 
to give him Paxlovid because they said he wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom 
has cancer, I don’t want this in the house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he 
got it at work, as some of his co-workers were out with it.

He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid made 
him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask him.

He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested positive 
or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and are still 
masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have contracted COVID as of 
this date, knock on wood.

-D

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> 
> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
> 
> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> Just received results from yesterday's PCR test by the county health dept.
results:  "inconclusive".  WTF?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/13/musk-says-took-four-covid-19-tests-two-were-positive-two-negative.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Just received results from yesterday's PCR test by the county health dept.
results:  "inconclusive".  WTF?

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:51 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the
> symptoms, just knock the virus down quicker than if you let it run it’s
> course. They said to just use OTC stuff for the symptoms, like
> Dayquil/Nyquil, etc.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She got
> some Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where she
> could be up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr
> straight. Her husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and
> got it and his symptoms totally subsided. I guess the stuff works, best to
> get it asap to minimize symptoms so if you’re getting flu-like symptoms
> best to get the Pax.
> >
> > She had one booster last year, did not get one this year. I don’t know
> about him.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> >> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> >> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> >> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> >> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> >> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> >> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> >> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> >> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> >>
> >> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> >> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances
> has
> >> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it
> to
> >> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super
> contagious.
> >>
> >> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> >> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> >> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the symptoms, 
just knock the virus down quicker than if you let it run it’s course. They said 
to just use OTC stuff for the symptoms, like Dayquil/Nyquil, etc.

-D

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She got some 
> Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where she could 
> be up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr straight. Her 
> husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and got it and his 
> symptoms totally subsided. I guess the stuff works, best to get it asap to 
> minimize symptoms so if you’re getting flu-like symptoms best to get the Pax. 
> 
> She had one booster last year, did not get one this year. I don’t know about 
> him. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
>> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
>> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
>> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
>> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
>> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
>> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
>> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
>> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
>> 
>> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
>> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
>> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
>> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
>> 
>> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
>> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
>> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

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On 2022-08-19 17:04, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
infected, although I cannot confirm this.


I'd think it's more than 60%, or at least more than 60% of adults.
I'm closer to a hermit than most, so it's no surprise that I haven't had 
it yet.


Was barely too young to qualify for the vax until about March 2021 
(could have gotten it in January if I was 60), by then my non-hermit 
part of the year was drawing to a close and I wasn't going to take time 
off work for it. After work ended, I saw no need for it, and soon after 
the cardiac side effects were beginning to show up.
My boss and her husband got it this January, (both triple vaxxed at that 
point in time), but she recovered before we opened the office. Doubt she 
was still shedding much viral material, and we have 3 UV air filters in 
the office. I was glad she bought those.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She got some 
Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where she could be 
up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr straight. Her 
husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and got it and his 
symptoms totally subsided. I guess the stuff works, best to get it asap to 
minimize symptoms so if you’re getting flu-like symptoms best to get the Pax. 

She had one booster last year, did not get one this year. I don’t know about 
him. 

--FT
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> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> 
> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
> 
> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Beats me. He stayed in his room for the week and we stayed away from him. His 
employer let him return three days after testing negative.

-D

On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

At what point was your son considered "recovered" and no longer in need of 
quarantining and/or masking at home?

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
This was a walk-in clinic place that is run by a local hospital group that was 
identified as being a participant in the “fast track” program or whatever they 
call it where if you’re diagnosed they can immediately dispense Paxlovid. 
That’s why I took him there. He paid nothing for it, just the office visit 
charge since he had already tested positive with a home test.

-D

On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:

The Paxlovid Rx was free to me, but my son says private MDs in LA that don't 
take insurance charge  "$3k and up".

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM dan 
penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:
Oldest son went through exactly what you describe two weekends ago. He went to 
a local walk-in clinic which refused to give him Paxlovid because they said he 
wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom has cancer, I don’t want this in the 
house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he got it at work, as some of his 
co-workers were out with it.

He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid made 
him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask him.

He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested positive 
or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and are still 
masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have contracted COVID as of 
this date, knock on wood.

-D

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
>  wrote:
>
> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
>
> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
>
> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

At what point was your son considered "recovered" and no longer in need of
quarantining and/or masking at home?

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This was a walk-in clinic place that is run by a local hospital group that
> was identified as being a participant in the “fast track” program or
> whatever they call it where if you’re diagnosed they can immediately
> dispense Paxlovid. That’s why I took him there. He paid nothing for it,
> just the office visit charge since he had already tested positive with a
> home test.
>
> -D
>
> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
>
> The Paxlovid Rx was free to me, but my son says private MDs in LA that
> don't take insurance charge  "$3k and up".
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Oldest son went through exactly what you describe two weekends ago. He
> went to a local walk-in clinic which refused to give him Paxlovid because
> they said he wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom has cancer, I don’t want
> this in the house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he got it at work, as
> some of his co-workers were out with it.
>
> He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid
> made him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask
> him.
>
> He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested
> positive or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and
> are still masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have
> contracted COVID as of this date, knock on wood.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> > congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> > risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> > daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> > disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> > after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> > Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> > test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> > afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> >
> > I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> > generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances
> has
> > Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it
> to
> > me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super
> contagious.
> >
> > My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> > contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> > infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This was a walk-in clinic place that is run by a local hospital group that was 
identified as being a participant in the “fast track” program or whatever they 
call it where if you’re diagnosed they can immediately dispense Paxlovid. 
That’s why I took him there. He paid nothing for it, just the office visit 
charge since he had already tested positive with a home test.

-D

On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The Paxlovid Rx was free to me, but my son says private MDs in LA that don't 
take insurance charge  "$3k and up".

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Oldest son went through exactly what you describe two weekends ago. He went to 
a local walk-in clinic which refused to give him Paxlovid because they said he 
wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom has cancer, I don’t want this in the 
house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he got it at work, as some of his 
co-workers were out with it.

He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid made 
him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask him.

He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested positive 
or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and are still 
masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have contracted COVID as of 
this date, knock on wood.

-D

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
>
> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
>
> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The Paxlovid Rx was free to me, but my son says private MDs in LA that
don't take insurance charge  "$3k and up".

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Oldest son went through exactly what you describe two weekends ago. He
> went to a local walk-in clinic which refused to give him Paxlovid because
> they said he wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom has cancer, I don’t want
> this in the house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he got it at work, as
> some of his co-workers were out with it.
>
> He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid
> made him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask
> him.
>
> He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested
> positive or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and
> are still masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have
> contracted COVID as of this date, knock on wood.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> > congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> > risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> > daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> > disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> > after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> > Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> > test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> > afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> >
> > I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> > generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances
> has
> > Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it
> to
> > me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super
> contagious.
> >
> > My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> > contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> > infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: COVID Positive

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Oldest son went through exactly what you describe two weekends ago. He went to 
a local walk-in clinic which refused to give him Paxlovid because they said he 
wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom has cancer, I don’t want this in the 
house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he got it at work, as some of his 
co-workers were out with it.

He tested negative by the following Thursday. He said that the Paxlovid made 
him nauseous. Didn’t mention anything about his taste, but I can ask him.

He was vaccinated but not boosted. Neither myself nor Mrs. Dan tested positive 
or showed any symptoms. We’re vaccinated and double boosted and are still 
masking when we go out or travel. Neither one of us have contracted COVID as of 
this date, knock on wood.

-D

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
> congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
> risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
> daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
> disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
> after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
> Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
> test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
> afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.
> 
> I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
> generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
> Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
> me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.
> 
> My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
> contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
> infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
congestion similar to mild cold).  I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
disagreeable metallic taste in my mouth after eating, which fades away
after 4-5 hours.  Supposedly, Paxlovid hastens recovery from the virus.
Yesterday (Thursday) I tested negative and again today (15 minute home
test) so there may be some truth to this.  I also took a PCR test this
afternoon and will know the results tomorrow.

I am fully vaccinated and double boosted (last on April 21, 2022) and
generally wear a mask when shopping indoors.  None of my acquaintances has
Covid and I did not notice anyone with symptoms who might have given it to
me.  I assume I contracted the omicron/B5 variant that is super contagious.

My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
contracted Covid 19?  I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
infected, although I cannot confirm this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What state is this?

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:46 PM greg via Mercedes 
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> It looks to me like the dam has burst. After chasing appointments for
> weeks unsuccessfully, I received TWO opportunities within 10 minutes
> yesterday. I found an appointment at a county site in an inconvenient
> location, signed up of course. Within 10 minutes I had an email from my
> local clinic offering a shot. I took it, then cancelled the county site
> appointment.
>
> I get my first dose on Tues.
>
> Greg
>
> > Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies
> > and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with
> > Mrs. Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got
> > notifications that we were eligible.
> >
> > I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but
> > we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh
> > on Sunday.
> >
> > So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first
> > dose with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[greg via Mercedes]

It looks to me like the dam has burst. After chasing appointments for
weeks unsuccessfully, I received TWO opportunities within 10 minutes
yesterday. I found an appointment at a county site in an inconvenient
location, signed up of course. Within 10 minutes I had an email from my
local clinic offering a shot. I took it, then cancelled the county site
appointment.

I get my first dose on Tues.

Greg

> Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies
> and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with
> Mrs. Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got
> notifications that we were eligible.
>
> I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but
> we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh
> on Sunday.
>
> So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first
> dose with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

We got our Johnson & Johnson shot on Tuesday. No reactions.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:03 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> Got my first (Moderna) shot yesterday.  Benefit of my wife volunteering at
> the
> clinic.  ("They're going to have extra today, get down here.")
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Got my first (Moderna) shot yesterday.  Benefit of my wife volunteering at the
clinic.  ("They're going to have extra today, get down here.")

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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

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“Good heavens Miss Sakimoto, you’re beautiful!”

-D

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My immunologist professor friend and MD/PhD drug development friend, who were 
> both involved in setting up the AZ trial here, say either is fine. I tend to 
> believe them, I have been blinded by SCIENCE!!!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think that Pfizer one was tested on a very small sample which determined 
>> its effectiveness and the moderna was more fully tested, or so I was told. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll take what they’re giving, as long as it works. A couple of percentage 
>>> points either way isn’t going to make a difference.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Either one is fine
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his 
>> cronies and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered 
>> along with Mrs. Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we 
>> got notifications that we were eligible.
>> 
>> I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, 
>> but we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to 
>> Floriduh on Sunday.
>> 
>> So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first 
>> dose with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My immunologist professor friend and MD/PhD drug development friend, who were 
both involved in setting up the AZ trial here, say either is fine. I tend to 
believe them, I have been blinded by SCIENCE!!!

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think that Pfizer one was tested on a very small sample which determined 
> its effectiveness and the moderna was more fully tested, or so I was told. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ll take what they’re giving, as long as it works. A couple of percentage 
>> points either way isn’t going to make a difference.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Either one is fine
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his 
> cronies and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered 
> along with Mrs. Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we 
> got notifications that we were eligible.
> 
> I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but 
> we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh 
> on Sunday.
> 
> So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first 
> dose with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
> 
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I think that Pfizer one was tested on a very small sample which determined its 
effectiveness and the moderna was more fully tested, or so I was told. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ll take what they’re giving, as long as it works. A couple of percentage 
> points either way isn’t going to make a difference.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Either one is fine
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies 
 and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with 
 Mrs. Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got 
 notifications that we were eligible.
 
 I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but 
 we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh on 
 Sunday.
 
 So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first 
 dose with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
 
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I got my first Pfizer dose almost 2wk ago, no reaction whatsoever except for 
minor soreness at the injection site (a former nurse relative says get it in 
your dominant arm as more motion will help alleviate that more quickly). I’m 
reading that the first dose makes a good part of the antibodies so that’s 
comforting. 

I’m ready to resume normal programming. I started going back to the gym which I 
think I has given me much more benefits than risk of covids hazards. I was 
feeling like a total slug after months of not going and that was awful. I can 
really feel the difference already, I feel so much better. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ll take what they’re giving, as long as it works. A couple of percentage 
> points either way isn’t going to make a difference.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Either one is fine
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies 
 and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with 
 Mrs. Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got 
 notifications that we were eligible.
 
 I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but 
 we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh on 
 Sunday.
 
 So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first 
 dose with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ll take what they’re giving, as long as it works. A couple of percentage 
points either way isn’t going to make a difference.

-D

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Either one is fine
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 
>>> Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies 
>>> and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with 
>>> Mrs. Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got 
>>> notifications that we were eligible.
>>> 
>>> I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but 
>>> we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh on 
>>> Sunday.
>>> 
>>> So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first 
>>> dose with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Either one is fine

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Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies 
>> and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with Mrs. 
>> Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got notifications 
>> that we were eligible.
>> 
>> I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but 
>> we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh on 
>> Sunday.
>> 
>> So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first dose 
>> with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies 
> and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with Mrs. 
> Dan in the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got notifications 
> that we were eligible.
> 
> I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but 
> we’re in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh on 
> Sunday.
> 
> So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first dose 
> with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.
> 
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[MBZ] OT - COVID Vaccine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies and 
lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with Mrs. Dan in 
the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got notifications that we were 
eligible.

I signed us both up and we could have gotten in as early as Saturday, but we’re 
in Indiana at the northern ranch right now, returning to Floriduh on Sunday.

So I made appointments for us on Monday morning. We’re up for our first dose 
with the Pfizer vaccine at 9:00.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Recent paper from China showing that a significant percentage of patients
present with GI-only symptoms, just FYI:

https://journals.lww.com/ajg/Documents/COVID_Digestive_Symptoms_AJG_Preproof.pdf

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 1:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Thanks, Karl.
>
> He self isolates pretty well, so that’s not an issue. He didn’t present
> with any respiratory issues. If he has what the wife brought home, it’s not
> so much diarrhea as things are just really loose. That’s why I was saying I
> was surprised that all of the known stuff I threw at it seemed to have
> little to no effect. It’s just gradually gotten more normal over a week’s
> time.
>
> We’ll keep a close eye, for sure. Again, thank you!
>
> Dan
>
> > On Mar 28, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known
> > presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it
> > could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also.
> >
> > The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized
> > patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of
> > test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19.
> >
> > You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks
> > later I think:
> >
> >
> https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao
> >
> > Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if
> he
> > isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only
> > reason to go to an ER.
> >
> > That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people
> > seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of
> > symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any
> > respiratory stuff at all.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house
> >>> recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but
> >>> definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has
> >>> affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally
> >>> slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect.
> >>
> >> When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of
> >> applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Covid-19 News

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They have to know what will harm first --- seems a lot don't, and the rest
are due to "honest mistakes".

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> LOL.  Whatever became of Do No Harm?
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > From personal experience, of all the injuries and infections I have
> > experienced, death is the most difficult to recover from.
> > Thus, I join Andrew in moving forward with aggressive use of drugs and
> > procedures which show great promise of good effect in treatment...  used
> > well within the practice of good science and common sense.
> > Tempered with the knowledge that the numerical most common cause of death
> > is medical treatment.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:11 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm on the side of waiving some safeguards for clinical trials of
> > > speculative newer drugs if patients are out of options.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:02 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Posted for insight, not to incite.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Covid-19 News

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LOL.  Whatever became of Do No Harm?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> From personal experience, of all the injuries and infections I have
> experienced, death is the most difficult to recover from.
> Thus, I join Andrew in moving forward with aggressive use of drugs and
> procedures which show great promise of good effect in treatment...  used
> well within the practice of good science and common sense.
> Tempered with the knowledge that the numerical most common cause of death
> is medical treatment.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:11 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm on the side of waiving some safeguards for clinical trials of
> > speculative newer drugs if patients are out of options.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:02 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Posted for insight, not to incite.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Covid-19 News

[G Mann via Mercedes]

>From personal experience, of all the injuries and infections I have
experienced, death is the most difficult to recover from.
Thus, I join Andrew in moving forward with aggressive use of drugs and
procedures which show great promise of good effect in treatment...  used
well within the practice of good science and common sense.
Tempered with the knowledge that the numerical most common cause of death
is medical treatment.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm on the side of waiving some safeguards for clinical trials of
> speculative newer drugs if patients are out of options.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:02 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Posted for insight, not to incite.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095
> >
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm on the side of waiving some safeguards for clinical trials of
speculative newer drugs if patients are out of options.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:02 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Posted for insight, not to incite.
>
>
> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Karl.

He self isolates pretty well, so that’s not an issue. He didn’t present with 
any respiratory issues. If he has what the wife brought home, it’s not so much 
diarrhea as things are just really loose. That’s why I was saying I was 
surprised that all of the known stuff I threw at it seemed to have little to no 
effect. It’s just gradually gotten more normal over a week’s time.

We’ll keep a close eye, for sure. Again, thank you!

Dan

> On Mar 28, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known
> presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it
> could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also.
> 
> The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized
> patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of
> test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19.
> 
> You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks
> later I think:
> 
> https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao
> 
> Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if he
> isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only
> reason to go to an ER.
> 
> That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people
> seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of
> symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any
> respiratory stuff at all.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house
>>> recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but
>>> definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has
>>> affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally
>>> slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect.
>> 
>> When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of
>> applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah 2 weeks ago that podcast said some patients were presenting with GI 
symptoms, which could also be another vector for infection of others.


--FT

On 3/28/20 4:36 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known
presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it
could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also.

The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized
patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of
test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19.

You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks
later I think:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao

Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if he
isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only
reason to go to an ER.

That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people
seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of
symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any
respiratory stuff at all.







On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house
recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but
definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has
affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally
slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect.

When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of
applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known
presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it
could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also.

The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized
patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of
test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19.

You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks
later I think:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao

Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if he
isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only
reason to go to an ER.

That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people
seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of
symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any
respiratory stuff at all.







On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house
> > recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but
> > definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has
> > affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally
> > slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect.
>
> When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of
> applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor.
>
>
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house
> recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but
> definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has
> affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally
> slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect.

When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of
applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Glad to hear it is not COVID-19!

Lesson to us all, not a good time to share any health concerns with other
than a healthcare professional or family, lest someone go off half cocked.

Sad stories about traveling nurses being kicked out of leases because
landlords are afraid of contagion.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This hit really close to home:
>
> Youngest boy comes home from work last night, looking a bit peaked and
> feeling poorly, said he had a fever. Hmm. Not good. Checks his temperature,
> sure enough, he’s got a mild fever. Says his gut has been a mess as the day
> went on, with his lower GI going berserk.
>
> Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house recently,
> which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but definitely tearing up
> the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has affected the symptoms. Yogurt,
> cheese, anything that would normally slow or stop things up has absolutely
> no effect.
>
> So anyway, once we hear the symptoms we breathe a sigh of relief and send
> him off to his room.
>
> About an hour later, he comes out to me at the computer and he’s all
> worked up. Seems that he shared his concerns about his symptoms/health with
> a coworker that day. The coworker, a poorly educated rural Bubba type, goes
> home and tells his equally clueless wife. She has a major meltdown and
> calls a County commissioner, at home, and rants about the employees
> spreading CV19 all over the place and the County doing nothing to prevent
> it.
>
> So now youngest son is like the chicken that got caught in the tractor’s
> nuts, to quote Slim Pickens.
>
> I tell him to not worry, he’s not going to lose his job, and that with
> everyone on edge this is just one of what will probably be many meltdowns
> that will occur over the next few weeks. Hardly calming, but at this point
> there’s not a lot he can do. He was planning on going to the doctor this
> morning to get checked out anyway.
>
> So he goes to the doctor this morning. Stomach bug, doc tells him. No
> cure, it has to run it’s course. He gets a “get out of jail free” statement
> from the doc and sends it to his supervisor so he can return to work
> tomorrow.
>
> Crisis averted. Oy.
>
> -D
>
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[MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This hit really close to home:

Youngest boy comes home from work last night, looking a bit peaked and feeling 
poorly, said he had a fever. Hmm. Not good. Checks his temperature, sure 
enough, he’s got a mild fever. Says his gut has been a mess as the day went on, 
with his lower GI going berserk.

Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house recently, which 
I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but definitely tearing up the lower 
GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, 
anything that would normally slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect.

So anyway, once we hear the symptoms we breathe a sigh of relief and send him 
off to his room.

About an hour later, he comes out to me at the computer and he’s all worked up. 
Seems that he shared his concerns about his symptoms/health with a coworker 
that day. The coworker, a poorly educated rural Bubba type, goes home and tells 
his equally clueless wife. She has a major meltdown and calls a County 
commissioner, at home, and rants about the employees spreading CV19 all over 
the place and the County doing nothing to prevent it.

So now youngest son is like the chicken that got caught in the tractor’s nuts, 
to quote Slim Pickens.

I tell him to not worry, he’s not going to lose his job, and that with everyone 
on edge this is just one of what will probably be many meltdowns that will 
occur over the next few weeks. Hardly calming, but at this point there’s not a 
lot he can do. He was planning on going to the doctor this morning to get 
checked out anyway.

So he goes to the doctor this morning. Stomach bug, doc tells him. No cure, it 
has to run it’s course. He gets a “get out of jail free” statement from the doc 
and sends it to his supervisor so he can return to work tomorrow.

Crisis averted. Oy.

-D

 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Covid Charlie Foxtrot

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Typical, let the feds run it and it takes too long, is too expensive, and
in the end doesn't even work right.

Maybe one good outcome of this 'crisis' is a dramatic change in law and
regulation to unshackle private enterprises for producing such tests.  If I
were Prez, I'd try to ram that through Congress right now, before they
start the next round of impeachment hearings.  Could probably save a bit of
money in the federal budget by eliminating whichever office is responsible
for this screw-up.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:31 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Two independent opinions -- one a friend, a professor of immunology at
> the local kawlidge, and the Dr. Boy, both say this whole thing is a
> total Charlie Foxtrot re: testing and such.
>
> "The FDA/CDC test is 5 genes by RT-PCR.
>
> Not sure why on earth this method is the go too. could not borrow
> our RT-PCR machines because the FDA has only approved the brand ABI.
> Total clusterf***.
> I had thought about ordering PCR primers posted on the WHO website weeks
> ago.
>
> My lab class was looking up the genomes of this virus that were being
> posted weeks ago.  Crazy thing is us “amateur” molecular biologists
> could do this testing."
>
> Stanford developed their own tests a coupla weeks ago, better than what
> is "out there."
>
> This all goes down to a lot of long-time bureaucratic nonsense standing
> in the way... comforting... meanwhile everyone is pointing fingers at
> the others and the guy in charge, playing the blame game, filling 7x24
> cable time...
>
> --
> --FT
>
>
>
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[MBZ] OT Covid Charlie Foxtrot

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Two independent opinions -- one a friend, a professor of immunology at 
the local kawlidge, and the Dr. Boy, both say this whole thing is a 
total Charlie Foxtrot re: testing and such.


"The FDA/CDC test is 5 genes by RT-PCR.

Not sure why on earth this method is the go too. could not borrow 
our RT-PCR machines because the FDA has only approved the brand ABI.  
Total clusterf***.
I had thought about ordering PCR primers posted on the WHO website weeks 
ago.


My lab class was looking up the genomes of this virus that were being 
posted weeks ago.  Crazy thing is us “amateur” molecular biologists 
could do this testing."


Stanford developed their own tests a coupla weeks ago, better than what 
is "out there."


This all goes down to a lot of long-time bureaucratic nonsense standing 
in the way... comforting... meanwhile everyone is pointing fingers at 
the others and the guy in charge, playing the blame game, filling 7x24 
cable time...


--
--FT

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