Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I had to check again to see that this was a gasser, 380K km is only about 237,000 miles. My 240D has 280k mi right now, my '85 190D had over 300k mi... 237k mi is high but not huge, my Dodge pickup had 222k mi when I got rid of it, the engine still ran great. -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:31:30 +1030 From: Hendrik & Fay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question Message-ID: <4b99764a.8050...@ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My 89 300TE does this as well but only when hot (around the 100 mark) and 1bar at operating temp (just above 80). Seeing this is a high K motor (380K klicks) I am not surprised and I may go to higher viscosity oil before next summer. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
My 89 300TE does this as well but only when hot (around the 100 mark) and 1bar at operating temp (just above 80). Seeing this is a high K motor (380K klicks) I am not surprised and I may go to higher viscosity oil before next summer. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, thats pretty typical. It does not take much to drop the guage to zero or close to it at idle. The sending unit is a little flaky, but not by much. OK Don wrote: My M103 in the '91 300E has the opposite symptom - it drops to nearly 0 when hot at idle. I used 15W50 when I changed the oil, thinking it might change the idling pressure, but it didn't. I remember hearing (here) that the M103 is known for this behavior, but I don't remember anything else. There is no o-ring on the fliter stem, as it's a screw-on canister filter. The pressure hits 3 bar when hot at about 1800 rpm. Otherwise, the car runs great -- we've put about 5000 miles on it since we got it. I have no idea how long it's been this way. To worry and try to do something, or forget it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
It should drop to at least half on the gauge at hot idle. Or, just keep driving it, whatever. It will be gone in a couple of weeks anyway. Donald Snook wrote: Larry wrote: "Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or sender" I don't think that is correct. At least from the experience of Peter (who has the same car with the same kind of oil). So, I think it might just be the M104 holds better oil pressure with the 15-40 in it. Plus, I noticed over the weekend, that with a long period of idling, plus several frequent trips, the oil did drop to less than 3. Larry also wrote: "re the oil change - 1st - there seems to be a lot of unknowns around the most recent oil change - it won't cost that much to go ahead and change the oil & filter so you'll *know* the condition of the oil." Yea, I think I will do that next week, just so I can get it on a schedule that I am sure of and I KNOW when it needs to be serviced. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2731 - Release Date: 03/08/10 13:33:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Allan wrote: "I don't know if the M104 is "new" enough to qualify, but newer engines do call for lighter oil. If you're running 15W40 in an engine that's designed for 5W20 it will show high pressure." According to the dealer (not that they are always right by any means), they say that the MB recommendation is 15-40 up to Model Year 1998. Then, the weights changed. The car has had 15-40 in it for its whole life, but it currently has 10-30. So, I will be changing it next week back to 15-40. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I don't know if the M104 is "new" enough to qualify, but newer engines do call for lighter oil. If you're running 15W40 in an engine that's designed for 5W20 it will show high pressure. Allan Donald Snook writes: > Larry wrote: "Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or > sender" > > I don't think that is correct. At least from the experience of Peter (who > has the same car with the same kind of oil). So, I think it might just be > the M104 holds better oil pressure with the 15-40 in it. Plus, I noticed > over the weekend, that with a long period of idling, plus several frequent > trips, the oil did drop to less than 3. > > Larry also wrote: "re the oil change - 1st - there seems to be a lot of > unknowns around the > most recent oil change - it won't cost that much to go ahead and change the > oil & filter so you'll *know* the condition of the oil." > > Yea, I think I will do that next week, just so I can get it on a schedule > that I am sure of and I KNOW when it needs to be serviced. > > Donald H. Snook -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Larry wrote: "Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or sender" I don't think that is correct. At least from the experience of Peter (who has the same car with the same kind of oil). So, I think it might just be the M104 holds better oil pressure with the 15-40 in it. Plus, I noticed over the weekend, that with a long period of idling, plus several frequent trips, the oil did drop to less than 3. Larry also wrote: "re the oil change - 1st - there seems to be a lot of unknowns around the most recent oil change - it won't cost that much to go ahead and change the oil & filter so you'll *know* the condition of the oil." Yea, I think I will do that next week, just so I can get it on a schedule that I am sure of and I KNOW when it needs to be serviced. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Mine - with regulary Dealer oil changes of 1540 from new by the first owner - still acts just like that. When the oil gets a little old or it is really realy hot it drops to jsut above 2 bar. Car has 143,000 miles now. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:16 AM, LarryT wrote: > Mitch wrote < > it did when the cars were brand new and the bearings were tight>> > > I think you'll find even a brand *new* MB with zero miles on the engine > will see a drop in pressure to between 2.5 to 3.0 Bar (closer to 3.0 Bar) > when idling hot. > > Here's how it works. When an engine is cold, it must have a little > clearance or the engine won't turn over. When things heat up that clearance > grows from the normal heat expansion and you *will* see a drop in oil > pressure.I've driven 2 MB's with *very* recent, full rebuilds. One was > diesel and one was a gasser - both pegged when started and dropped to a > touch below the 3 mark when hot. That was brand new - with Zero miles. They > stayed like that for many miles. 60K plus for the diesel and I've forgotten > how many for the gasser - but it was driven for years with no loss of > pressure. > > Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or sender > > re the oil change - 1st - there seems to be a lot of unknowns around the > most recent oil change - it won't cost that much to go ahead and change the > oil & filter so you'll *know* the condition of the oil. > > > > 2nd - if the oil only has 900 mi or so > don't bother with an oil analysis - the oil hasn't had enough time for any > contaminants to become suspended in the oil so any present can be detected > during the lab work. So the analysis would not be very helpful. > > **BTW - I have the 94 E320 Owners Manual in pdf form if you'd like a > copy?** > > HTHs > > LarryT > '91 300D > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -- > From: "Donald Snook" > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:33 PM > To: > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question > > Mitch wrote: "It's permissible for the needle to drop when the oil is >> hot, but I don't think >> it did when the cars were brand new and the bearings were tight." >> >> That is sort of what I thinking. That all of my prior cars had MANY MANY >> more miles on them, so maybe this one is like this because the engine is in >> great shape. >> >> I did check the oil yesterday. It has been 10 months since the last oil >> change and only about 900 miles. The oil looked like gold, clear and light >> honey colored like it just came out of the bottle. >> >> Donald H. Snook >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Mitch wrote <> I think you'll find even a brand *new* MB with zero miles on the engine will see a drop in pressure to between 2.5 to 3.0 Bar (closer to 3.0 Bar) when idling hot. Here's how it works. When an engine is cold, it must have a little clearance or the engine won't turn over. When things heat up that clearance grows from the normal heat expansion and you *will* see a drop in oil pressure.I've driven 2 MB's with *very* recent, full rebuilds. One was diesel and one was a gasser - both pegged when started and dropped to a touch below the 3 mark when hot. That was brand new - with Zero miles. They stayed like that for many miles. 60K plus for the diesel and I've forgotten how many for the gasser - but it was driven for years with no loss of pressure. Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or sender re the oil change - 1st - there seems to be a lot of unknowns around the most recent oil change - it won't cost that much to go ahead and change the oil & filter so you'll *know* the condition of the oil. 2nd - if the oil only has 900 mi or so don't bother with an oil analysis - the oil hasn't had enough time for any contaminants to become suspended in the oil so any present can be detected during the lab work. So the analysis would not be very helpful. **BTW - I have the 94 E320 Owners Manual in pdf form if you'd like a copy?** HTHs LarryT '91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:33 PM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question Mitch wrote: "It's permissible for the needle to drop when the oil is hot, but I don't think it did when the cars were brand new and the bearings were tight." That is sort of what I thinking. That all of my prior cars had MANY MANY more miles on them, so maybe this one is like this because the engine is in great shape. I did check the oil yesterday. It has been 10 months since the last oil change and only about 900 miles. The oil looked like gold, clear and light honey colored like it just came out of the bottle. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
A GL 450? or a G500? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I still see plenty of fools commuting many miles with 1 person in a Suburban or Yukon XL or Excursion or some other big stupid SUV. If you're driving 20,000 miles a year switching from 17mpg to 30mpg (and lowered maintenance and repair costs of 2wd vs 4wd) probably makes good sense. Even better if you buy a 2-3 year old car since it seems like used car prices are absolutely in the toilet... The old man is about ready to replace his Jeep Liberty. He's considering an H3 or a Jeep Grand Cherokee. While I'm no friend of Jeep I'm leaning him toward the Grand. I don't know exactly what makes an H3 but I'm sure its something pitiful... Alternately I'm thinking something in a Land Rover... Anybody else got a suggestion? Dad is in his early 60's, wants a fairly capable offroader (better than the Liberty for sure!) doesn't particularly care about gas mileage (because he doesn't really travel) and wants some comfort but doesn't care about "luxury" amenities. Oh and he'll only buy new... -Curt Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:21:42 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My wife got on that whenever gas was up close to $4, about the Suburban. It's 10 yr old, paid for, ins and whatever is minimal, in good shape, provides a lot of utility and sport, and yeah, it cost $100 to fill up then (every few weeks), but it is so far down on the depreciation scale that gas cost for the time we use it is sorta noise level. I pointed out that one could spend $20k or $30k and increase tax, insurance, payments, and everything else to save a few $$ on gas (not that I would do that). Made no sense. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I still see plenty of fools commuting many miles with 1 person in a Suburban or Yukon XL or Excursion or some other big stupid SUV. If you're driving 20,000 miles a year switching from 17mpg to 30mpg (and lowered maintenance and repair costs of 2wd vs 4wd) probably makes good sense. Even better if you buy a 2-3 year old car since it seems like used car prices are absolutely in the toilet... The old man is about ready to replace his Jeep Liberty. He's considering an H3 or a Jeep Grand Cherokee. While I'm no friend of Jeep I'm leaning him toward the Grand. I don't know exactly what makes an H3 but I'm sure its something pitiful... Alternately I'm thinking something in a Land Rover... Anybody else got a suggestion? Dad is in his early 60's, wants a fairly capable offroader (better than the Liberty for sure!) doesn't particularly care about gas mileage (because he doesn't really travel) and wants some comfort but doesn't care about "luxury" amenities. Oh and he'll only buy new... -Curt Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:21:42 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question Message-ID: <4b912186.2090...@constructivity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My wife got on that whenever gas was up close to $4, about the Suburban. It's 10 yr old, paid for, ins and whatever is minimal, in good shape, provides a lot of utility and sport, and yeah, it cost $100 to fill up then (every few weeks), but it is so far down on the depreciation scale that gas cost for the time we use it is sorta noise level. I pointed out that one could spend $20k or $30k and increase tax, insurance, payments, and everything else to save a few $$ on gas (not that I would do that). Made no sense. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
My wife got on that whenever gas was up close to $4, about the Suburban. It's 10 yr old, paid for, ins and whatever is minimal, in good shape, provides a lot of utility and sport, and yeah, it cost $100 to fill up then (every few weeks), but it is so far down on the depreciation scale that gas cost for the time we use it is sorta noise level. I pointed out that one could spend $20k or $30k and increase tax, insurance, payments, and everything else to save a few $$ on gas (not that I would do that). Made no sense. --R On 3/5/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: You know, you buy cheap older cars that cost less to buy, insure, etc. and the cost of fuel is sort of irrelevant. I used to say that about new SUVs and the price of gasoline. If your lease payment is $450, and maintenance and insurance are $150 a month, does it really matter if your monthly fuel cost is $200 or $300? That would just mean your total cost went up from $800 to $900 when the cost of gas went up 50%. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Rich Thomas wrote: You know, you buy cheap older cars that cost less to buy, insure, etc. and the cost of fuel is sort of irrelevant. I used to say that about new SUVs and the price of gasoline. If your lease payment is $450, and maintenance and insurance are $150 a month, does it really matter if your monthly fuel cost is $200 or $300? That would just mean your total cost went up from $800 to $900 when the cost of gas went up 50%. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
You know, you buy cheap older cars that cost less to buy, insure, etc. and the cost of fuel is sort of irrelevant. --R On 3/5/2010 9:05 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: "So, any idea what the fuel mileage is on your new car? How much extra are you having to pay for premium fuel? Are you ahead or behind on a cost per mile basis, compared to the Ford?" I don't know what kind of mileage I am getting on my car. The tank was nearly full when I bought it and I haven't had to fill it up yet. I will have to do that today. I think Premium is about 20 cents higher than regular gas. I don't think it is a good comparison from this car to the Ford. Because, we still have the ford. The comparison is from my current car to my previous car. Now, if you are saying the cost per mile for The Expedition versus whatever car we might trade it off for, that's a different story. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy wrote: "So, any idea what the fuel mileage is on your new car? How much extra are you having to pay for premium fuel? Are you ahead or behind on a cost per mile basis, compared to the Ford?" I don't know what kind of mileage I am getting on my car. The tank was nearly full when I bought it and I haven't had to fill it up yet. I will have to do that today. I think Premium is about 20 cents higher than regular gas. I don't think it is a good comparison from this car to the Ford. Because, we still have the ford. The comparison is from my current car to my previous car. Now, if you are saying the cost per mile for The Expedition versus whatever car we might trade it off for, that's a different story. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok Don wrote: "Hmmm - I was thinking about getting a 4WD vehicle for some photo safaris - want to trade for a '91 300E? Seems pretty even to me" Ok, IF you also have a Cashier's check in the glove box made out to me for $6000. On second thought, since this is My wife's car and she loves it, just make out to Baker Funeral home since that is where you will find me when I trade off her car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I have a 95 E320 wagon with about 100k miles now... for as long as I've owned it (4 years, 30k miles) the oil pressure has been high as you describe. Only when the engine is fully warmed after driving does the idle oil pressure drop to about 2.5 bar. I run 0w40 mobil 1 at 7500 changes. Perhaps its just the nature of these cars. I've seen alot of M103s with much lower oil pressure... 1 bar or less hot. Perhaps something was changed for the M104? Jaime On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something > on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the > oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, > the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop > quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil > pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last > night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all > that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have > very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. > > I don't know what to think. > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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-Original Message- On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Mitch wrote: "Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon > that gets 13mpg on > the highway?" > > I have been married for 11 years, so I am smarter than that! Actually, it > does get about 17 mpg on the highway and she loves that big old SUV. It > really is still pretty nice. Leather and all the extra gizmos. It has also > been nearly trouble free (knocking wood). > > She ran the battery dead one time because she was on the phone with the car > off, but the ignition on for about 15 minutes. Then, the idle air control > motor went bad. That cost about $100 to fix. Other than that, it has been a > great vehicle. It still looks good. But, you are right the mileage is > lousy. I will need to replace the tires soon and I am not looking forward > to spending $800 on it. But, tires are important and she does occasionally > have to take it on long trips, so its worth it. Both of the Fords that she > drove have been really good cars - a 97 Explorer and this 01 Expedition. > The worst part about the Expedition is that it is not worth very much, not > that many people want a 5.4L V8 and 4wd with 150,000 miles. So, she'll > drive it until it dies. > > Donald H. Snook > So, any idea what the fuel mileage is on your new car? How much extra are you having to pay for premium fuel? Are you ahead or behind on a cost per mile basis, compared to the Ford? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmmm - I was thinking about getting a 4WD vehicle for some photo safaris - want to trade for a '91 300E? Seems pretty even to me On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Mitch wrote: "Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon > that gets 13mpg on > the highway?" > > I have been married for 11 years, so I am smarter than that! Actually, it > does get about 17 mpg on the highway and she loves that big old SUV. It > really is still pretty nice. Leather and all the extra gizmos. It has also > been nearly trouble free (knocking wood). > > She ran the battery dead one time because she was on the phone with the car > off, but the ignition on for about 15 minutes. Then, the idle air control > motor went bad. That cost about $100 to fix. Other than that, it has been a > great vehicle. It still looks good. But, you are right the mileage is > lousy. I will need to replace the tires soon and I am not looking forward > to spending $800 on it. But, tires are important and she does occasionally > have to take it on long trips, so its worth it. Both of the Fords that she > drove have been really good cars - a 97 Explorer and this 01 Expedition. > The worst part about the Expedition is that it is not worth very much, not > that many people want a 5.4L V8 and 4wd with 150,000 miles. So, she'll > drive it until it dies. > > Donald H. Snook > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: I need to replace the tires soon and I am not looking forward to spending $800 on it. 265/70R17? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Grabber+HTS&partnum=67SR7GRHTS http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+AT+KL78&partnum=67SR7KL78OWL http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+APT+KL51&partnum=67HR7KL51OWL http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=Geolandar+H%2FT-S+G051&partnum=67SR7GEOHTSOWL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've been using cheap 15w40 in my 240D as well. The 190D gets M1 5w40 changed at 12,000 miles but the 240D leaks way too much for Mobil 1 to make any kind of sense... -Curt Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 20:11:04 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question Message-ID: <3a3393481003031811p5688fc9ey84612ca63665e...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 cheap 1540 - like I have in all my cars. I kno we all talk alot abotu all the expensive oils - but I have never had an engine wear out due to excessive heat or "oil Viscosity breakdown" I just use a 1540 synthtic blend availble at my local rural king for about 20 bucks per 2 gallon jug. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Peter wrote: "1995 E320 wagon. Love it. Wife has it" > > Great! I am glad there is someone on here with experience with the 95 > E320. What oil do you use? > > The wagons are cool, I have always liked them. But, my wife said she would > make fun of me, if I drove a wagon. Of course, she made fun of me when I > bought a $900 Buick, too. So, I should be used to it! > > Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: "Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon that gets 13mpg on the highway?" I have been married for 11 years, so I am smarter than that! Actually, it does get about 17 mpg on the highway and she loves that big old SUV. It really is still pretty nice. Leather and all the extra gizmos. It has also been nearly trouble free (knocking wood). She ran the battery dead one time because she was on the phone with the car off, but the ignition on for about 15 minutes. Then, the idle air control motor went bad. That cost about $100 to fix. Other than that, it has been a great vehicle. It still looks good. But, you are right the mileage is lousy. I will need to replace the tires soon and I am not looking forward to spending $800 on it. But, tires are important and she does occasionally have to take it on long trips, so its worth it. Both of the Fords that she drove have been really good cars - a 97 Explorer and this 01 Expedition. The worst part about the Expedition is that it is not worth very much, not that many people want a 5.4L V8 and 4wd with 150,000 miles. So, she'll drive it until it dies. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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cheap 1540 - like I have in all my cars. I kno we all talk alot abotu all the expensive oils - but I have never had an engine wear out due to excessive heat or "oil Viscosity breakdown" I just use a 1540 synthtic blend availble at my local rural king for about 20 bucks per 2 gallon jug. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Peter wrote: "1995 E320 wagon. Love it. Wife has it" > > Great! I am glad there is someone on here with experience with the 95 > E320. What oil do you use? > > The wagons are cool, I have always liked them. But, my wife said she would > make fun of me, if I drove a wagon. Of course, she made fun of me when I > bought a $900 Buick, too. So, I should be used to it! > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, the warning light never comes on. Yes, it's running Mobil1. If it looks like I'm going to keep tha car, I'll send you a sample to analyze. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:29 AM, LarryT wrote: > The important part is where you said it "hit 3 bar at 1800 rpm" The book > calls for max / pegged by 3000 rpm. > > Does the Oil Pressure Warning Light come on at idle? > > This is where Synthetic pays for itself IMHO. > > > LarryT > 91 300D > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Larry wrote: "Hi Donald - IMHO, It's time to change it - at 11 months it's been in there long enough. There's also a possibility it's dino juice which may allow the acids formed by combustion to start attacking the bearings and other soft parts. 10W30 sounds like a good choice (300E, right?) - although if MB tells you something else I'd go with them. But don't believe what Mobil 1 website says - they do not take into account the fact it's 15 years old. IMO. Also, change at recommended intervals - 5K in normal service & 3000 in severe service, or after 1 year - IMO diesels are always considered to be in severe service. Did the chalk note have a date with the weig?" I talked to the service manager at the stealership yesterday. He was a really nice guy. Called me back and went through everything with me. I'm sure he thinks he is going to get a regular customer, and maybe I will get something done there (but, probably not). I was surprised he spent as much time looking through everything and talking with me. But, here's what I found out. The last oil change was done with Mobil 15-40. This is the dino Mobil oil, not synthetic. In fact, all of the oil changes done at the dealership (which has serviced it since new) have been Mobil 15-40. He said that is what they use on the cars they service that were manufactured pre-1998. I don't know where the chalk note with the 10-30 indication was from. He said they do not use the chalk and he looked at the Repair Orders on the car dating back to 1995 and it has always had 15-40. So, either the used car dealership I bought it from changed the oil, or it was done at some other time when the guy was perhaps out of town. I am betting on the dealership. The oil looks absolutely too clean to be 11 months and 900 miles old. He also told me something interesting, he said they do not use 10-30 on these cars, because he has seen documented cases of the 103 and 104 actually consuming oil. I have never heard of that, but, I don't have much experience with the 103 and none with the 104. The car had its 75,000 mile dealership service, so the next big one according to him is the 90,000 mile service where it is due for plugs, transmission service, fuel filter change and all of the various inspections. I think I will not have that done at the dealer! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: The wagons are cool, I have always liked them. But, my wife said she would make fun of me, if I drove a wagon. Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon that gets 13mpg on the highway? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John R. wrote: "Om606? 0w40 (m1, if you can find the stuff that's mb approved... Else, "formula M")" No, it's a gasser, so it's a M104. I think it the OW X might be too "thin" for my car. I know technically, oils aren't thin, but you all know what I mean. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter wrote: "1995 E320 wagon. Love it. Wife has it" Great! I am glad there is someone on here with experience with the 95 E320. What oil do you use? The wagons are cool, I have always liked them. But, my wife said she would make fun of me, if I drove a wagon. Of course, she made fun of me when I bought a $900 Buick, too. So, I should be used to it! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The important part is where you said it "hit 3 bar at 1800 rpm" The book calls for max / pegged by 3000 rpm. Does the Oil Pressure Warning Light come on at idle? This is where Synthetic pays for itself IMHO. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "OK Don" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:44 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question My M103 in the '91 300E has the opposite symptom - it drops to nearly 0 when hot at idle. I used 15W50 when I changed the oil, thinking it might change the idling pressure, but it didn't. I remember hearing (here) that the M103 is known for this behavior, but I don't remember anything else. There is no o-ring on the fliter stem, as it's a screw-on canister filter. The pressure hits 3 bar when hot at about 1800 rpm. Otherwise, the car runs great -- we've put about 5000 miles on it since we got it. I have no idea how long it's been this way. To worry and try to do something, or forget it? -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yea, thats pretty typical. It does not take much to drop the guage to zero or close to it at idle. The sending unit is a little flaky, but not by much. OK Don wrote: My M103 in the '91 300E has the opposite symptom - it drops to nearly 0 when hot at idle. I used 15W50 when I changed the oil, thinking it might change the idling pressure, but it didn't. I remember hearing (here) that the M103 is known for this behavior, but I don't remember anything else. There is no o-ring on the fliter stem, as it's a screw-on canister filter. The pressure hits 3 bar when hot at about 1800 rpm. Otherwise, the car runs great -- we've put about 5000 miles on it since we got it. I have no idea how long it's been this way. To worry and try to do something, or forget it? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2719 - Release Date: 03/02/10 13:34:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yea, its working, but not properly. Donald Snook wrote: Allan wrote: "Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause this)." I suppose it could be. But, the needle does climb to three when I start the car, so I would guess that means it is working. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2719 - Release Date: 03/02/10 13:34:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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your sender is bad, it should drop to about half. Donald Snook wrote: I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2719 - Release Date: 03/02/10 13:34:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My M103 in the '91 300E has the opposite symptom - it drops to nearly 0 when hot at idle. I used 15W50 when I changed the oil, thinking it might change the idling pressure, but it didn't. I remember hearing (here) that the M103 is known for this behavior, but I don't remember anything else. There is no o-ring on the fliter stem, as it's a screw-on canister filter. The pressure hits 3 bar when hot at about 1800 rpm. Otherwise, the car runs great -- we've put about 5000 miles on it since we got it. I have no idea how long it's been this way. To worry and try to do something, or forget it? -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know what to think. I think you need more miles to loosen up the bearings more. Then it'll drop some when hot. It's _permissible_ to drop to ~1 Bar at hot idle. It's not _required_ to drop at all! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Donald - IMHO, It's time to change it - at 11 months it's been in there long enough. There's also a possibility it's dino juice which may allow the acids formed by combustion to start attacking the bearings and other soft parts. 10W30 sounds like a good choice (300E, right?) - although if MB tells you something else I'd go with them. But don't believe what Mobil 1 website says - they do not take into account the fact it's 15 years old. IMO. Also, change at recommended intervals - 5K in normal service & 3000 in severe service, or after 1 year - IMO diesels are always considered to be in severe service. But many people do otherwise. Did the chalk note have a date with the weig? Hope this helps - btw, you can do an oil analysis before getting rid of the present oil - and as others have said, in general, high oil pressure is usually a good thing - just remember how the Grand Canyons were formed. ;-) Good luck -- LarryT '91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:39 PM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question Larry wrote: "Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have?" I have not changed the oil. I called the local dealer to find out when it was done. It was changed in April of last year. It has only been about 900 miles since the last change. I don't know what kind of oil (dino or synthetic), but there is a note in chalk on the air cleaner that it was 10-30. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Om606? 0w40 (m1, if you can find the stuff that's mb approved... Else, "formula M") -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:16, Rich Thomas > wrote: What's the best kind for him to use? --R (ducking) On 3/2/2010 12:09 PM, LarryT wrote: Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have? LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1995 E320 wagon. Love it. Wife has it On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > Peter wrote: "Getting close to an oil discussion here. My 104 holds hard a > pegged untill the oil needs changed - at about 5500 miles - mostly high way, > then at idle it drops to 2.5 bars. Then I change the oil I run sythetic > 1540. I know I know - but it has never failed me - and none of my cars use > or leak with some over 350K on the clock." > > That's great to know, Peter! Thanks. By the way, what car do you have with > the 104 in it? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter wrote: "Getting close to an oil discussion here. My 104 holds hard a pegged untill the oil needs changed - at about 5500 miles - mostly high way, then at idle it drops to 2.5 bars. Then I change the oil I run sythetic 1540. I know I know - but it has never failed me - and none of my cars use or leak with some over 350K on the clock." That's great to know, Peter! Thanks. By the way, what car do you have with the 104 in it? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich wrote: "What's the best kind for him to use?" Good Question, Rich. I wanted to know, too. But, didn't want to start an oil thread. If it makes a difference to anyone answering this question. I don't know yet what kind of oil has been used in the past on this car. But, I have a call into the Service Manager at the local stealership to find out. Also, this car has the more powerful M104 engine and 81,000 miles. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Larry wrote: "Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have?" I have not changed the oil. I called the local dealer to find out when it was done. It was changed in April of last year. It has only been about 900 miles since the last change. I don't know what kind of oil (dino or synthetic), but there is a note in chalk on the air cleaner that it was 10-30. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan wrote: "Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause this)." I suppose it could be. But, the needle does climb to three when I start the car, so I would guess that means it is working. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: "It's permissible for the needle to drop when the oil is hot, but I don't think it did when the cars were brand new and the bearings were tight." That is sort of what I thinking. That all of my prior cars had MANY MANY more miles on them, so maybe this one is like this because the engine is in great shape. I did check the oil yesterday. It has been 10 months since the last oil change and only about 900 miles. The oil looked like gold, clear and light honey colored like it just came out of the bottle. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: Mitch wrote: "Does the gauge read zero with the engine stopped and the ignition on?" Yes. And when I start it, the needle climbs up to 3. Sounds like a properly functioning system to me. Somewhere close to 100psi, the relief valve will open to prevent overpressure. The gauge only goes to 40-45psi. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: "Does the gauge read zero with the engine stopped and the ignition on?" Yes. And when I start it, the needle climbs up to 3. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:18 -0500, "LarryT" wrote: > Don't know for sure but the recommended oil for your car may be a 0W40 > or similar - there may be a sticker somewhere telling what to use - > engine compartment, door jamb, gas filler cover, trunk, ? which will > tell you which to use. > > If the PO used 15W50 it will have higher OP. > > I haven't been over confident in the recommendations made by people at > the dealerships. A good reason to change the oil right away when you get a used car from a dealer. 95% of the time they have not done anything to the car since they got it except maybe clean it, so who knows how old the oil is, the other 5% of the time if they do change the oil they are probably using Wal-Mart's house brand 5W30. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which oil sheet for this car? http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1 -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question LarryT wrote: > What kind of engine does he have - a 103? E320, so I think M104. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Getting close to an oil discussion here. My 104 holds hard a pegged untill the oil needs changed - at about 5500 miles - mostly high way, then at idle it drops to 2.5 bars. Then I change the oil I run sythetic 1540. I know I know - but it has never failed me - and none of my cars use or leak with some over 350K on the clock. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > LarryT wrote: > >> What kind of engine does he have - a 103? >> > > E320, so I think M104. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Extra Virgin Olive Oil? Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question What's the best kind for him to use? --R (ducking) mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: What kind of engine does he have - a 103? E320, so I think M104. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What kind of engine does he have - a 103? LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Rich Thomas" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:16 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question What's the best kind for him to use? --R (ducking) On 3/2/2010 12:09 PM, LarryT wrote: Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have? LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Don't know for sure but the recommended oil for your car may be a 0W40 or similar - there may be a sticker somewhere telling what to use - engine compartment, door jamb, gas filler cover, trunk, ? which will tell you which to use. If the PO used 15W50 it will have higher OP. I haven't been over confident in the recommendations made by people at the dealerships. Good luck - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What's the best kind for him to use? --R (ducking) On 3/2/2010 12:09 PM, LarryT wrote: Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have? LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have? LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Donald Snook" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM To: Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
With the factory short block OM621 i got years ago, the oil pressure still pegs out and is always at the peg, even warm idle. The old engine went down to 2 or less when warm, but the bearings were shot. I put a SW oil pressure gauge on it and found I had to keep the RPM low when it was cold to keep the pressure under 100PSI (over 6 bar). At highway speed, and warmed up, it runs at 86PSI. On the newer Diesel MB cars, the pressure has been lower. I never put a quality OP gauge on any of them. I would not worry about the OP being on the peg. that is a good thing. I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some manufacturers phony the gauges to help avoid unnecessary service complaints. 'Some' oil pressure is enough at idle, it will go up when you spin the pump. You cannot explain that to a non technical person who assumes that more is better all of the time. Excessive oil pressure requires more hp to run the pump, causes seals to leak. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: "Donald Snook" To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 11:18:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Perhaps you should not be going to the drive thru (bad for you) and sitting for 10 minutes? Hope that helps. --R On 3/2/2010 11:18 AM, Donald Snook wrote: I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause this). Or you could have a real overpressure situation, perhaps the relief valve is stuck. Have your indy put an oil pressure test gauge on it to confirm the dash reading. Does the gauge read zero with the engine stopped and the ignition on? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's permissible for the needle to drop when the oil is hot, but I don't think it did when the cars were brand new and the bearings were tight. On my 1979 300SD (~300,000 miles) 2 bar at hot idle with 15W40 was a pretty reliable indicator that it needed an oil change. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause this). Or you could have a real overpressure situation, perhaps the relief valve is stuck. Have your indy put an oil pressure test gauge on it to confirm the dash reading. Allan On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:18 -0600, "Donald Snook" wrote: > I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something > on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and > the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at > idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need > will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me > car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a > drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 > minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is > a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this > car. > > I don't know what to think. > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will drop quite a bit at idle. But, I have noticed that on my new to me car, the oil pressure goes up to 3 and stays there. I was waiting in a drive thru last night with the car warm and idling. I waited almost 10 minutes and in all that time, the needle never dropped. I suppose it is a good thing to have very good oil pressure, but, it never drops on this car. I don't know what to think. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
