Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve done it, it’s a pig of a job because of where the ABS unit is located. 
Cheap repair, but really unpleasant to do, like motor mounts.

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see guys saying they fix the motors with hardware store brushes and all is 
> good
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I investigated this one a couple of days ago. Not sure why it’s relisted. 
>> Don’t recall the reason for rejecting it after corresponding with the 
>> seller. Probably because of miles.
>> 
>> Found a 2002 ML320 on the local FB Marketplace. Has BAS light and the owner 
>> says it needs a yaw sensor, even had the part number. This is a common 
>> failure on these but the part is now NLA from Mercedes but it can be found 
>> in the aftermarket for around $130. Only problem is that a BAS fault is 
>> usually a precursor to an ABS pump motor with bad brushes. It just goes 
>> downhill from there. Too bad, as it only like 130k on the clock.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I see guys saying they fix the motors with hardware store brushes and all is 
good

--FT
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> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I investigated this one a couple of days ago. Not sure why it’s relisted. 
> Don’t recall the reason for rejecting it after corresponding with the seller. 
> Probably because of miles.
> 
> Found a 2002 ML320 on the local FB Marketplace. Has BAS light and the owner 
> says it needs a yaw sensor, even had the part number. This is a common 
> failure on these but the part is now NLA from Mercedes but it can be found in 
> the aftermarket for around $130. Only problem is that a BAS fault is usually 
> a precursor to an ABS pump motor with bad brushes. It just goes downhill from 
> there. Too bad, as it only like 130k on the clock.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I investigated this one a couple of days ago. Not sure why it’s relisted. Don’t 
recall the reason for rejecting it after corresponding with the seller. 
Probably because of miles.

Found a 2002 ML320 on the local FB Marketplace. Has BAS light and the owner 
says it needs a yaw sensor, even had the part number. This is a common failure 
on these but the part is now NLA from Mercedes but it can be found in the 
aftermarket for around $130. Only problem is that a BAS fault is usually a 
precursor to an ABS pump motor with bad brushes. It just goes downhill from 
there. Too bad, as it only like 130k on the clock.

-D

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Is the color black or dark blue?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Jun 9, 2021 3:29:03 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> A little high for the miles but looks fairly decent, could probably negotiate 
> to something a little more reasonable.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 6/9/21 3:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A little high for the miles but looks fairly decent, could probably 
negotiate to something a little more reasonable.


--FT

On 6/9/21 3:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html


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[MBZ] One For Dan

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Miles are a bit high. I wonder if has the factory tow package.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7334199499.html


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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That looks really nice but yeah that is probably about $1k too high. The 320 
performs well and gets good fuel mileage 21-22Mpg in my wagon. 

--FT
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> On Mar 11, 2021, at 6:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> Not a wagon though. Slightly over priced too.
> 
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[MBZ] One For Dan

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Not a wagon though. Slightly over priced too.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/land-lakes-2004-mercedes-e320/7289960587.html


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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Incorrect, the late 70s GM diesels we're junk. By '82 they had figured it out. 
Today you rarely see them but square body GM trucks rusted bad so they're 
relatively rare now anyway, it's no big surprise the least common of them are 
quite rare...
Curt

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  On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   a lot of them never lived long enough 
to go back to the stealer because 
it needed service.  They just self destructed.  The early 80s GM 
diesels are POS.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Not really. The big problem with them was back then people did not know how 
> to work on them (dealers)
>
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Sounds like my Ford Explorer...

LarryT


On 07/25/2018 11:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Underpowered and thirsty but by the end of the run rugged and reliable...

Curt

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   On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:   It is still a POS.  Rumor of not, it doesn't matter.  A POS is a POS.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

The 5.7 was built from the ground up as a diesel, it was never a converted gas 
engine. This is a rumor.




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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Underpowered and thirsty but by the end of the run rugged and reliable...

Curt

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  On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:41 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   It is still a POS.  Rumor of not, it 
doesn't matter.  A POS is a POS.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> The 5.7 was built from the ground up as a diesel, it was never a converted 
> gas engine. This is a rumor.
>
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Agree wholeheartedly!  I had a 78 Malibu w/a smallish V8 - the engine 
(not the transmission) ran great but all the other bits of the car had 
been "cheaped to death" as you described, I especially disliked the 
fasteners - mostly flat sheet metal w/a little hole and a twisted piece 
of metal in the hole to grab the bolt (barely).  they always seemed too 
strip way to easily.


That car was a good car, but without the cheapy-ness it would have been 
much better.  I'm sure there were more things I disliked but it's been 
30+ years..  ;-)


LarryT


On 07/24/2018 9:08 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Another GM idea cheaped to death



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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Two problems with those GM engines:  original rear main bearing design was 
grossly inadequate and the fuel filters were totally inadequate for the quality 
of the fuel available (read very poor).  

Very small amounts of water in the fuel would trash the rotary pump (I seem to 
remember it was a Stanadyne, but I'm not really sure) and there was no water 
trap in the fuel filter, which wasn't fine enough anyway.  Lots of dead cars 
because the fuel pump ate itself on truck stop diesel.  Truck diesel was 
terrible in those days, it's still not really up to European grade.

It was common to spin a rear bearing at 25,000 mile intervals on the early 
engines.

As a stationary engine with good fuel they run forever.

They also had glow plug issues, the compression was too low, and the heads had 
cracking problems in road use, too.

Another GM idea cheaped to death -- with a turbo, 21:1 compression ratio, and 
properly programmed injection timing it would have cranked out 250 hp and 300 
ft/lbs of torque and been a screamer.  Instead it was either a boat anchor or a 
smoke belching slug.  They were VERY slow on upgrades, and smoked horribly at 
full throttle like all low compression diesels.
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

a lot of them never lived long enough to go back to the stealer because 
it needed service.  They just self destructed.   The early 80s GM 
diesels are POS.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Not really. The big problem with them was back then people did not know how to 
work on them (dealers)





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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Not really. The big problem with them was back then people did not know how to 
work on them (dealers)

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> On Jul 24, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is still a POS.  Rumor of not, it doesn't matter.  A POS is a POS.
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> The 5.7 was built from the ground up as a diesel, it was never a converted 
>> gas engine. This is a rumor.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is still a POS.  Rumor of not, it doesn't matter.  A POS is a POS.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

The 5.7 was built from the ground up as a diesel, it was never a converted gas 
engine. This is a rumor.





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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks, nice to know we are still allowed to have an opinion, on this list any 
way...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 23, 2018 8:23:17 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>
>Your opinion may vary, however.
>
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I recall that the failed 6.2l in my '87? Suburban was a Mexican product. Was 
the 5.7 also Mexican?

Greg 

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The 5.7 was built from the ground up as a diesel, it was never a converted gas 
engine. This is a rumor.

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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I seem 
> to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.   Less that 1/2 mile per 
> gallon IIRC.
> 
> Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas 
> engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners feeling 
> pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a LOT more costly 
> than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I
>>>> assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...
>>>> 
>>>> LarryT
>>>> 
>>>> For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets
>>> dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
>>> 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A very persistent rumor. I'm pretty sure we've discussed it on this forum 
repeatedly...
-Curt

On Monday, July 23, 2018, 10:30:24 PM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The 5.7 was built from the ground up as a diesel, it was never a converted gas 
engine. This is a rumor.

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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I seem 
> to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.  Less that 1/2 mile per 
> gallon IIRC.
> 
> Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas 
> engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners feeling 
> pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a LOT more costly 
> than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
 BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I
 assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...
 
 LarryT
 
 For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.  RTW gets
>>> dissels.  The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
>>> 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The 5.7 was built from the ground up as a diesel, it was never a converted gas 
engine. This is a rumor.

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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I seem 
> to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.   Less that 1/2 mile per 
> gallon IIRC.
> 
> Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas 
> engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners feeling 
> pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a LOT more costly 
> than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
 BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I
 assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...
 
 LarryT
 
 For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets
>>> dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One For Dan P

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 GM didn't modify a gas engine, they just shared displacement. It wasn't broken 
cranks either, they didn't have sufficient head clamping. It was fixed by the 
end of the run but nobody wants to hear that part.
The 5.7l diesel blocks are prized by hot rodders as they're stronger than the 
gasser blocks...
-Curt

On Monday, July 23, 2018, 7:41:58 PM EDT, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I 
seem to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.   Less that 1/2 
mile per gallon IIRC.

Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas 
engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners 
feeling pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a 
LOT more costly than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.

LarryT


On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I
>>> assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...
>>>
>>> LarryT
>>>
>>> For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.  RTW gets
>> dissels.  The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
>>
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Exactly!

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
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> including the consumers IMO
>
>
>
> On 07/23/2018 8:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> It was the principle of the matter - someone lied, all will be punished.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I
>>> seem to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.   Less that 1/2
>>> mile per gallon IIRC.
>>>
>>> Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas
>>> engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners feeling
>>> pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a LOT more
>>> costly than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.
>>>
>>> LarryT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>
> BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the
> US?  I
>
>> assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...
>>
>> LarryT
>>
>> For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets
>>
>> dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
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[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

including the consumers IMO


On 07/23/2018 8:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

It was the principle of the matter - someone lied, all will be punished.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I
seem to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.   Less that 1/2
mile per gallon IIRC.

Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas
engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners feeling
pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a LOT more
costly than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.

LarryT



On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:


I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I

assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...

LarryT

For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets


dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.


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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Ima real man then!

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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 8:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Real men drive Diesels I haven't seen any real men in Europe OR
> California in a couple decades to busy with their man buns and skinny
> jeans, I opine.
> Your opinion may vary, however.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On July 23, 2018 at 5:32 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yurp is working on banning them. Some reaction to the emissions debacle
>> plus concerns about particulates and health.
>> 
>> I know London and Paris don't want diesels, with or without particulate
>> filters.
>> California doesn't want commercial diesels without particulate filters.
>> 
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Real men drive Diesels I haven't seen any real men in Europe OR
California in a couple decades to busy with their man buns and skinny
jeans, I opine.
Your opinion may vary, however.

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>
> > On July 23, 2018 at 5:32 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yurp is working on banning them. Some reaction to the emissions debacle
> plus concerns about particulates and health.
>
> I know London and Paris don't want diesels, with or without particulate
> filters.
> California doesn't want commercial diesels without particulate filters.
>
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> On July 23, 2018 at 8:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> It was the principle of the matter - someone lied, all will be punished.

I believe that concept, plus attempts at winning the courthouse lottery, 
resulted in a baseless class action suit or two against GM, alleging that GM 
did the same thing as VW. 

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It was the principle of the matter - someone lied, all will be punished.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I
> seem to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.   Less that 1/2
> mile per gallon IIRC.
>
> Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas
> engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners feeling
> pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a LOT more
> costly than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.
>
> LarryT
>
>
>
> On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I
 assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...

 LarryT

 For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets

>>> dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
>>>
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Was the change that big or just the fact VW management deceived them?  I 
seem to recall the actual MPG increase was pretty small.   Less that 1/2 
mile per gallon IIRC.


Of course Chevrolet got the ball rolling with their modification of gas 
engine to diesel.  A lot of broken cranks left a lot of GM owners 
feeling pretty bad.  And repairing a engine with a damaged crank is a 
LOT more costly than a few tenths MPG IMNSHO of course.


LarryT


On 07/23/2018 6:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:


BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I
assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...

LarryT

For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets

dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.


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I think the VW dieselgate killed Diesels in the US - perhaps permanently.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I
>> assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...
>>
>> LarryT
>>
>> For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets
> dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
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> On July 23, 2018 at 5:32 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yurp is working on banning them. Some reaction to the emissions debacle plus 
> concerns about particulates and health. 

I know London and Paris don't want diesels, with or without particulate filters.
California doesn't want commercial diesels without particulate filters. 

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Yes, the EU nannies at picking at IE for having Dissels.   IE is tryin 
to figger out if they buckle, or if they buck the EU nannies.   I am 
hoping for being Irish, and putting up a fight!


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Yurp is working on banning them. Some reaction to the emissions debacle plus 
concerns about particulates and health.

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Yurp is working on banning them. Some reaction to the emissions debacle plus 
concerns about particulates and health. 

--R
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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 5:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  I 
>> assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...
>> 
>> LarryT
>> 
> For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets 
> dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.
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Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:


BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the 
US?  I assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...


LarryT

For instance:  In Ireland, the majority of cars are Dissel.   RTW gets 
dissels.   The goofy CARB and Feds keep them out here.


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Wish it were feasible to transplant the 1991 diesel and all it's systems 
into my 2006 E350.  Probably be a bear to do if possible at all for less 
than the price of a newer diesel.


BTW,  When did MB stop importing any diesel equipped cars into the US?  
I assume they're still being made and sold in other markets...


LarryT


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RE: engine swap for 110.110.10    (190Dc/200D)

OM617 won't fit.  You'd have to start with a 6 cyl vergasser for that.

Om616 will fit, if from a 4 speed car, and with relocation/remote 
oelfilter.   OM601 would probably work, probably with additional 
massive relocations.


OM 616 bell housing will bolt up to the original trans



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RE: engine swap for 110.110.10(190Dc/200D)

OM617 won't fit.  You'd have to start with a 6 cyl vergasser for that.

Om616 will fit, if from a 4 speed car, and with relocation/remote 
oelfilter.   OM601 would probably work, probably with additional massive 
relocations.


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Yeah it looks fairly straight unless that is a cheap respray and no telling 
what’s under it. Interior not too bad. A quick bit of the googles suggests 
engine swaps might be possible if the one In it is inop but there’s not a lot 
of length in the engine bay and the diff and rear axles probably won’t take 
much torque so they would need swapping too. 

$1000 maybe if not less?

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> This could actually be a car worth messing with. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like a cool car but the ignition switch is buggered. Wonder what it 
>> means it needs a distributor to run?  Injection pump or something?  Wonder 
>> how hard it would be to drop in a 617 or something else.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
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This could actually be a car worth messing with. 

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> On Jul 19, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Looks like a cool car but the ignition switch is buggered. Wonder what it 
> means it needs a distributor to run?  Injection pump or something?  Wonder 
> how hard it would be to drop in a 617 or something else.
> 
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> 
> 
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Looks like a cool car but the ignition switch is buggered. Wonder what 
it means it needs a distributor to run?  Injection pump or something?  
Wonder how hard it would be to drop in a 617 or something else.


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If he hasn't quit the list...

https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6622923795.html

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That looks like the one we used to own, except it is white instead of red.


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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

If he hasn't quit the list...

https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6622923795.html

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] One for Dan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's a classic color combo for fintails.  Very much "in your face".  I
like it but not the price.  :(

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Are you still looking for a clean fintail? I found a really expensive one
> for you.
>
> http://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/316/
>
> I mean, it's only $17,500, so that's walkin' `round money.
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If anyone has half a brain they will want to take advantage of his
> > professed buyer’s remorse and offer him less than what he paid.  After
> all,
> > if he’s so sorry he bought it, wouldn’t he expect to take a loss to get
> rid
> > of it?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On June 24, 2017 at 6:29 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> On a related note, the schmuck that bought my 300D is getting requests
> > to sell it on the “buyer’s remorse” story.  Guess if he wants to take a
> > loss he might be able to get rid of it.
> > >
> > > Somebody might offer him BAT money (7k) for it, they can plainly see
> > what he paid and might regret not doing it themselves.
> > > I'm sure the transaction price will never be publicized unless he
> > auctions it himself.
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Re: [MBZ] One for Dan

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Dan,

Are you still looking for a clean fintail? I found a really expensive one
for you.

http://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/316/

I mean, it's only $17,500, so that's walkin' `round money.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If anyone has half a brain they will want to take advantage of his
> professed buyer’s remorse and offer him less than what he paid.  After all,
> if he’s so sorry he bought it, wouldn’t he expect to take a loss to get rid
> of it?
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On June 24, 2017 at 6:29 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> On a related note, the schmuck that bought my 300D is getting requests
> to sell it on the “buyer’s remorse” story.  Guess if he wants to take a
> loss he might be able to get rid of it.
> >
> > Somebody might offer him BAT money (7k) for it, they can plainly see
> what he paid and might regret not doing it themselves.
> > I'm sure the transaction price will never be publicized unless he
> auctions it himself.
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Re: [MBZ] One for Dan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If anyone has half a brain they will want to take advantage of his professed 
buyer’s remorse and offer him less than what he paid.  After all, if he’s so 
sorry he bought it, wouldn’t he expect to take a loss to get rid of it?

-D


> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On June 24, 2017 at 6:29 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> On a related note, the schmuck that bought my 300D is getting requests to 
>> sell it on the “buyer’s remorse” story.  Guess if he wants to take a loss he 
>> might be able to get rid of it.
> 
> Somebody might offer him BAT money (7k) for it, they can plainly see what he 
> paid and might regret not doing it themselves. 
> I'm sure the transaction price will never be publicized unless he auctions it 
> himself.
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Re: [MBZ] One for Dan

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On June 24, 2017 at 6:29 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> On a related note, the schmuck that bought my 300D is getting requests to 
> sell it on the “buyer’s remorse” story.  Guess if he wants to take a loss he 
> might be able to get rid of it.

Somebody might offer him BAT money (7k) for it, they can plainly see what he 
paid and might regret not doing it themselves. 
I'm sure the transaction price will never be publicized unless he auctions it 
himself.

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Re: [MBZ] One for Dan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Already saw it.  This si a sort of rally car someone has been showing around on 
BAT for a couple of years.  People will end up paying stupid money for it.

On a related note, the schmuck that bought my 300D is getting requests to sell 
it on the “buyer’s remorse” story.  Guess if he wants to take a loss he might 
be able to get rid of it.

-D


> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-230s/
> 
> No Reserve: 1967 Mercedes-Benz 230S Fintail
> 
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[MBZ] One for Dan

[Craig via Mercedes]

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-230s/

No Reserve: 1967 Mercedes-Benz 230S Fintail


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Re: [MBZ] One for Dan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ll stick with W126 and earlier for now, thank you.  I really prefer the 
legacy stuff any more after driving my 350SDL.

Dan

> On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:05 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> there was a w140 600SE that may have wanted your attention
> 
> clay


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[clay via Mercedes]

there was a w140 600SE that may have wanted your attention

clay


> On Jun 22, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting.  More than I paid for mine, and more miles, too.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 7:00 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting.  More than I paid for mine, and more miles, too.

Dan

> On Jun 22, 2016, at 7:00 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 

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[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5607284361.html

Not mine, no interest


clay 

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[MBZ] One for Dan suvapaqu

[Dieselhead]

I put in a blind bid on a generator at a sale for an electric motor 
shop that is going out of business.  Well, I got it.


When I picked it up the owner said the generator is out of a pullman 
car.  It has a kohler engine, is probably a kohler genset.  3.5 Kw 
115/230 single phase.  It is a heavy sucker.  It is reportedly low 
rpm and quiet.


I went to Home despot with the generator on the trailer to pick up 
some cement blocks to build a base for it, and when I came out, a 
couple of guys came over to see it.  I was enthralled by someone's 
126, and these people were enthralled by my generator.   They said it 
would be real quiet and long lived.


I will need to build a surround for it, as it is not watertight.  But 
that is a project for sometime later.  I also think I can convert it 
to run on natural gas.  Dual fuel would be even better...Anyhow, i 
figger in a pinch it can power some lights and the refrigerator.   I 
like the Quiet part...


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Re: [MBZ] One for Dan suvapaqu

[Dan Penoff]

Send me pictures of it and I can identify.  Also, find the generator nameplate, 
NOT the engine nameplate, which will have Kohler at the top with a mode, spec 
and serial number.  It will most likely be on the side of the alternator 
(generator) or the controller.

Once i know more I can address your needs as far as dry/dual fuel.

Dan


On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

 
 I put in a blind bid on a generator at a sale for an electric motor shop that 
 is going out of business.  Well, I got it.
 
 When I picked it up the owner said the generator is out of a pullman car.  It 
 has a kohler engine, is probably a kohler genset.  3.5 Kw 115/230 single 
 phase.  It is a heavy sucker.  It is reportedly low rpm and quiet.
 
 I went to Home despot with the generator on the trailer to pick up some 
 cement blocks to build a base for it, and when I came out, a couple of guys 
 came over to see it.  I was enthralled by someone's 126, and these people 
 were enthralled by my generator.   They said it would be real quiet and long 
 lived.
 
 I will need to build a surround for it, as it is not watertight.  But that is 
 a project for sometime later.  I also think I can convert it to run on 
 natural gas.  Dual fuel would be even better...Anyhow, i figger in a pinch it 
 can power some lights and the refrigerator.   I like the Quiet part...
 
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