Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
According to the following statistics, you stand roughly one chance in 340,000 of being injured or killed by an involuntarily exploding air bag in one of the car brands listed below. Since you also stand one chance in 4000 to 8000 of dying in a car accident in any one year depending on the circumstances, the exploding airbag odds look pretty good. Gerry When car sensors detect a crash, a chemical reaction is triggered by the ignition of a solid hunk of propellant. The way propellant works in an airbag comes down to heat, moisture, and timing. A wad of chemicals sits inside a flattened metal canister until heated up—which makes those chemicals expand quickly and gaseously when the airbag needs to inflate. Vents on the back of the bag prevent the whole thing from being blown to bits. All this happens in about half the time it takes for a person to blink: between 100 and 200 milliseconds. That’s how it’s supposed to work, anyway. But as many as one in seven cars on the roads in the United States may have defective airbags. That’s the scope of the ongoing automotive recall that includes 34 million cars—Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, General Motors, Subaru, Ford, Chrysler, and BMW are all affected. The defective Takata-made airbags explode with shrapnel, spraying motorists with sharp bits of metal, and have caused more than 100 injuries and at least eight deaths in the past decade. The faulty airbags are being traced back to the chemical compound Takata now uses for propellant. The manufacturer changed the main ingredient from tetrazole to ammonium nitrate in 2001. Takata has defended its continued use of the latter, calling it “safe and effective for use in airbag inflators when properly engineered and manufactured,” in a statement. But employee emails show that there were “dire warnings about safety and quality lapses years before Takata Corp. would fully acknowledge the threat posed by its defective airbags,” according to a report by the Senate Commerce Committee this week. Senator Bill Nelson, a Floridan Democrat, says it now appears that Takata was aware of “serious safety and quality control lapses” in its factories as early as 2001. Ammonium nitrate can expand rapidly as a gas without exploding, but it can also explode violently. It's pretty unstable, too, which means it can—and often does—blow up when it isn't supposed to. It’s cheap, which makes it desirable to manufacturers, but it’s unpredictable. “And it's not regulated at all as a propellant,” said Byron Bloch, a car-design consultant and long-time advocate for automotive-safety technologiessnip http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/06/airbags/396854/ More than you want to know about airbags: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag . Rich Thomas wrote: Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R On 7/2/15 12:18 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Actually, they work a little too good. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R On 7/2/15 12:18 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Those aren’t the ones that include shrapnel at no additional charge, are they? The wife’s former Mazda 6 had one of these and it got swapped out by the stealer a couple of months ago. I understood them to be the functional equivalent of a Claymore or Bouncing Betty in your steering wheel. Dan On Jul 2, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Actually, they work a little too good. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
Are they Takata airbags? If so, they don't work anyway, so you can just disregard --R On 7/2/15 12:18 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
On July 2, 2015 at 7:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Ya6z-NlDo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
That reminds me, I need to glue some walnuts onto my chipmunk traps. Little bastards are digging holes all over my yard, time to trim the population a little. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB On July 2, 2015 at 7:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Ya6z-NlDo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
There may be something to work with here... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 2, 2015 1:29:37 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 2, 2015 at 7:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Ya6z-NlDo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
I thought that MB recently added ten years to the original ten years of air bag life? I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
So the dates are when the Air Bags are supposed to be replaced? That must be pretty expensive -- Hmm I wonder how much of the mechanism is replaced? Just the explosive mechanism or just the sensors? Don't know what kind of explosives they use but from personal experience, I've seen bullets that were hand-loaded 35+ years ago still fire like new. I doubt they use smokeless gun powder but it's probably similar chemicals involved (Perhaps). Thanks - LarryT 91 300D On 7/2/2015 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I remember this being a big thing at one point where airbags were supposed to stop working and we were all going to die in horrible crashes.Last I heard it turns out that nobody really knows the effective lifespan of an airbag. If you could use it as a negotiating tactic I'd say go for it. rel -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB Based on being notified of an age extension on an older MB, I have to assume that there is an Use By date for air bags. I have seen similar stickers on my cars. That being said, I've never heard of anyone ever replacing all of their air bags based on their age Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was browsing some used MBs and noticed a sticker in the door frame of a ML320 that read; Steering Wheel - 06-2015 Instrument Panel - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Front Door - 06-2015 Right Front Door - 06-2015 Left Roof Frame --- Right Roof frame -- I assume there are air bags in each location and each will need to be replaced at some point? The sticker says they need to be replaced this month, correct? Seems like that would require a large price reduction. Don't recall the year of the ML but I think it was between 2000 and 2005. Is there a time frame when air bags need to be replace ? Thanks LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticker on Used MB
supposedly, the self test is the SRS light that comes on with the ignition indicates a good air bag. Larry 91 300D On 7/2/2015 7:21 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I thought that MB recently added ten years to the original ten years of air bag life? I've got the original airbag from my '87 wagon. I need a creative way to test it, if anyone has one (and no, I won't sit on it and detonate it, need a crash test dummy or some such). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
