Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 04:22 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: Mercedes revised the recommendation (236.2) for PS fluid in about 1987/1988 (236.3). They use an oil that's a little less viscous than type A ATF (which is less viscous than Dexron II/III) and that isn't treated with the Lubrisol additives. It is far superior (doesn't stiffen up) to conventional Dexron in very cold weather (although the synthetics that meet the Dexron/Mercon spec seem just fine). The Mercedes fluid is recommended for ALL Mercedes PS systems, but ATF is still permissible for any system that was originally factory filled with ATF (most any car built before 1987). Using ATF in cars up to about 1995 will not cause any major problem, but in cold weather, the steering may be more than a little stiff. Here's the result of some research on the subject by Dr Eric Chowanietz: I've felt things stiffen up with conventional Dexron III/Mercron and earlier Dexrons but never had the stiffness with Mobil 1 or Amsoil synthetic tranny fluid. I haven't moved and it still gets to 25 below around here. It seems Eric has mixed feelings on the application but he is spot on about the conventional ATF/Dexron in the cold going on to say it could have better corrosion and lubricating qualities. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
John Berryman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 02:38 PM, Donald Snook wrote:
I picked it because that is evidently what Mercedes recommends for a
1990 300SEL. If I am going to pay the premium price for Mobil 1 ATF or
Amsoil ATF, then I might as well pay the price for the stuff that was
actually designed for the car. It is not as if I am putting in the
home
grown parts store brand of power steering fluid.
Is ATF approved for that new-fangled rig? I've drained it and
replenished it in many customers cars over the years. I know at one
time or another, I looked up that info.
I wouldn't think you'd be getting junk from Rusty, furthest thing from
my mind. I don't keep PS fluid around, AFIK ATF is good for almost
everything.
Mercedes revised the recommendation (236.2) for PS fluid in about
1987/1988 (236.3). They use an oil that's a little less viscous than
type A ATF (which is less viscous than Dexron II/III) and that isn't
treated with the Lubrisol additives. It is far superior (doesn't stiffen
up) to conventional Dexron in very cold weather (although the synthetics
that meet the Dexron/Mercon spec seem just fine). The Mercedes fluid is
recommended for ALL Mercedes PS systems, but ATF is still permissible
for any system that was originally factory filled with ATF (most any car
built before 1987). Using ATF in cars up to about 1995 will not cause
any major problem, but in cold weather, the steering may be more than a
little stiff.
Here's the result of some research on the subject by Dr Eric Chowanietz:
The MB manual transmission oil and PS oil (from memory 262.2 and 262.3 ??)
are basically old-fashioned non-friction modified hydraulic oils - as used
in old auto transmissions and farm machinery ("Type A, Suffix A"). The PS
oil is a very slightly lighter weight than the manual transmission oil.
When you think about it the PS oil has a lot less work to do than the ATF -
it is a much simpler oil. I'm sure ATF will 'work' perfectly well so long
as you are not in a *very* cold climate where the slightly higher viscosity
of the ATF might pose a problem. Indeed, a modern ATF probably has much
better corrosion-inhibiting properties and lubricates better than these
old-fashioned oils.
MB do not, of course, make their own oils. The people at the Elf Oil
technical HQ told me that the MB PS oil was supplied by them. I don't know
if this really is true, but they were able to quote both their own P/N and
the MB P/N right of the top of their heads - which sounded convincing to me.
Eric
Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 02:38 PM, Donald Snook wrote: I picked it because that is evidently what Mercedes recommends for a 1990 300SEL. If I am going to pay the premium price for Mobil 1 ATF or Amsoil ATF, then I might as well pay the price for the stuff that was actually designed for the car. It is not as if I am putting in the home grown parts store brand of power steering fluid. Is ATF approved for that new-fangled rig? I've drained it and replenished it in many customers cars over the years. I know at one time or another, I looked up that info. I wouldn't think you'd be getting junk from Rusty, furthest thing from my mind. I don't keep PS fluid around, AFIK ATF is good for almost everything. Correction? comments? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 02:04 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: basically everything. the place is just covered with cats here Open a Chinese Restaurant (so the urban myth goes). When they give you lemons, make lemonade. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 01:57 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: Just some of Gary's clothing. Ewww! Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
Johnny B. wrote: "Why do you choose PS fluid (that smells like cat piss or otherwise) over tranny fluid? I'm taking a survey so I may better serve my future Amsoil customers." I picked it because that is evidently what Mercedes recommends for a 1990 300SEL. If I am going to pay the premium price for Mobil 1 ATF or Amsoil ATF, then I might as well pay the price for the stuff that was actually designed for the car. It is not as if I am putting in the home grown parts store brand of power steering fluid. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
what clothing? i wear the exact same clothing every day and it doesn't smell of cat piss! On 2/1/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just some of Gary's clothing. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Berryman > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:51 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > > > hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else! > > > >Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss? > > Johnny B. > I Mac Therefore I am > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
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basically everything. the place is just covered with cats here On 2/1/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > > > hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else! > > > >Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss? > > Johnny B. > I Mac Therefore I am > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
Just some of Gary's clothing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Berryman Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else! > Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else! Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Donald Snook wrote: I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That is fast service. Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells like cat pee? I opened the bottle to see what color it was and SHEESH that stuff smells awful. Donald H. Snook That would be one good reason for me to continue using Amsoil Synthetic tranny fluid. Why do you choose PS fluid (that smells like cat piss or otherwise) over tranny fluid? I'm taking a survey so I may better serve my future Amsoil customers. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
"A pioneer in imported parts business, Rusty Cullens has been selling foreign car parts for over 25 years. Now he brings his legendary service, outstanding pricing and Southern hospitality to retail buyers via the internet." ?? On 2/1/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ain't it the truth! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:33 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering > > hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else! > > On 2/1/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That > > is fast service. Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells > > like cat pee? I opened the bottle to see what color it was and > SHEESH > > that stuff smells awful. > > > > > > > > Donald H. Snook > > > > 1990 300SEL > > > > ___ > > http://www.striplin.net > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
Ain't it the truth! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else! On 2/1/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That > is fast service. Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells > like cat pee? I opened the bottle to see what color it was and SHEESH > that stuff smells awful. > > > > Donald H. Snook > > 1990 300SEL > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else! On 2/1/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That > is fast service. Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells > like cat pee? I opened the bottle to see what color it was and SHEESH > that stuff smells awful. > > > > Donald H. Snook > > 1990 300SEL > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
[MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering
I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That is fast service. Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells like cat pee? I opened the bottle to see what color it was and SHEESH that stuff smells awful. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL
