Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Another update: Rick (tech) installed the new line and road tested the car. Had intermittent hard pedal action, which was cured by pumping. Now he thinks it's a lazy vacuum pump. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Your acumen may have earned you an A**AB*Y. This will be confirmed tomorrow. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Before Rick throws more parts at it, you may want to make an agreement with him that you will not pay for replacing the vacuum pump if the problem remains after he installs the new pump. In other words, he needs to do some real trouble shooting and diagnose correctly the failed part, rather than fixing by replacing parts. You could have done that yourself, and at a far lower price! - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Before Rick throws more parts at it, you may want to make an agreement with him that you will not pay for replacing the vacuum pump if the problem remains after he installs the new pump. In other words, he needs to do some real trouble shooting and diagnose correctly the failed part, rather than fixing by replacing parts. You could have done that yourself, and at a far lower price! I was just thinking 'a real mechanic would have diagnosed the whole system before beginning repairs instead of stopping as soon as he found the first bad part'. When Andrew said the hose was plugged solid, I was hoping it was plugged solid in both directions, because plugged solid in only one direction means the check valve works. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
The check valve is toast. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Before Rick throws more parts at it, you may want to make an agreement with him that you will not pay for replacing the vacuum pump if the problem remains after he installs the new pump. In other words, he needs to do some real trouble shooting and diagnose correctly the failed part, rather than fixing by replacing parts. You could have done that yourself, and at a far lower price! I was just thinking 'a real mechanic would have diagnosed the whole system before beginning repairs instead of stopping as soon as he found the first bad part'. When Andrew said the hose was plugged solid, I was hoping it was plugged solid in both directions, because plugged solid in only one direction means the check valve works. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Which means he does not know what he is doing. --R On 11/12/14 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Another update: Rick (tech) installed the new line and road tested the car. Had intermittent hard pedal action, which was cured by pumping. Now he thinks it's a lazy vacuum pump. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Your acumen may have earned you an A**AB*Y. This will be confirmed tomorrow. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Take it to Randy in Silver Spring. 301-585-6464. On Nov 12, 2014 2:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Which means he does not know what he is doing. --R On 11/12/14 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Another update: Rick (tech) installed the new line and road tested the car. Had intermittent hard pedal action, which was cured by pumping. Now he thinks it's a lazy vacuum pump. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Your acumen may have earned you an A**AB*Y. This will be confirmed tomorrow. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Gout an update from my mechanic. Pump is good. Seems the hose is completely blocked. Could also be a booster problem but he can't check the booster until he replaces the hose. WIll get definitive answer tomorrow. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You need to get a Mityvac and have at the various hoses and connections. You'll track it down soon enough. You can see if there is vacuum coming from the pump or not. If there is then there is a leak in a line or your brake booster or some other part in the system. It is easy enough to check where, the lines to the locks go off behind the brake line (I think, been awhile since I have done this) so you can disconnect the connector and plug up the line, then see if the brakes work. The shutoff line is along there too, just look where the hoses go. You can plug the lines with a golf tee or pencil. It should pull down pretty far, if not much vacuum then you have a leak in the line from the pump or the diaphragm. Those connectors disintegrate and leak, I ended up making another one for in front of the brake booster on the TD from some barb fittings and a tee from Home Depot. Works fine and will last forever, I think even cheaper than the actual part. The vac hoses under the hood can rot too, vac hose is cheap. Remember, this is one case where if it sucks, that is good. --R On 11/10/14 6:23 PM, astrasfogel--- via Mercedes wrote: My symptoms are silent -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 10 November 2014, 04:31PM -0500 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:41 PM To: Scott Ritchey; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD My pessimistic half is betting on the vacuum pump, the most expensive scenaro ($350 + labor). The junkyard / breakers / pick and pull is your friend. I had one break mechanically. It sounded like a rod was going to let loose. $60 later with a trip to the bone yard, and it was all better. Potomac German Auto is close by, yes? Call and maybe they have one and will ship...? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Your acumen may have earned you an A**AB*Y. This will be confirmed tomorrow. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Fairy gut!(very good) It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Is there a check valve in the main hose leading to the brake booster? I had a vehicle way back that would periodically lose the power brake function and scare me half to death. I changed the hose between the booster and the intake (it was a gas engine) and that solved the problem. There was a check valve in the hose that would sometimes stick. RB On 09/11/2014 9:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Some of you will recall my write up of the intermittent loss of power braking on my 1983 300TD, coupled with the loss of engine shut off (won't turn off with key). I fiddled with a rubber connector to the brake booster line, and happily the problem disappeared for nearly a week. The issue then resurfaced, but now the following symptoms occur all the time: 1) Power brakes completely gone - must apply extremely forceful pressure on the brake pedal (or petal, if you prefer). 2) Cannot shut off the engine with key - must be done manually 3) Vacuum door locks completely inoperative, even with the engine running. Otherwise, everything else on the car works fine. Whoever is the first to successfully diagnose this problem, based solely on the symptoms enunciated above, wins a coveted ATTABOY. Good luck. Andrew 1983 300TD No brakes, locks or engine shutoff 1985 300TD CA version ___ http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
I like your explanation better than any of the others because it's a cheap fix. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 10 November 2014, 11:48AM -0500 from Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca: Is there a check valve in the main hose leading to the brake booster? I had a vehicle way back that would periodically lose the power brake function and scare me half to death. I changed the hose between the booster and the intake (it was a gas engine) and that solved the problem. There was a check valve in the hose that would sometimes stick. RB On 09/11/2014 9:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Some of you will recall my write up of the intermittent loss of power braking on my 1983 300TD, coupled with the loss of engine shut off (won't turn off with key). I fiddled with a rubber connector to the brake booster line, and happily the problem disappeared for nearly a week. The issue then resurfaced, but now the following symptoms occur all the time: 1) Power brakes completely gone - must apply extremely forceful pressure on the brake pedal (or petal, if you prefer). 2) Cannot shut off the engine with key - must be done manually 3) Vacuum door locks completely inoperative, even with the engine running. Otherwise, everything else on the car works fine. Whoever is the first to successfully diagnose this problem, based solely on the symptoms enunciated above, wins a coveted ATTABOY. Good luck. Andrew 1983 300TD No brakes, locks or engine shutoff 1985 300TD CA version ___ http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
I kinda doubt it. The tube looks grate. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 10 November 2014, 10:17AM -0500 from Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
'Glad weuns can laff 'bout you 'spressin' yoself so clere. Wilt - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Yup. In my 79 300TD, there was a large glob of (wait for it) Shoe Goo sealing a hole on that tube. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:17 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
My pessimistic half is betting on the vacuum pump, the most expensive scenaro ($350 + labor). On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yup. In my 79 300TD, there was a large glob of (wait for it) Shoe Goo sealing a hole on that tube. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:17 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
One would think that the pump would either work or not work. It is a diaphram right? The mechanism moves it back and forth and is essentially a pump that creates vacuum on the low side. If the diaphram is torn, it shouldn't work. One would not think it would work some of the time. RB On 10/11/2014 1:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My pessimistic half is betting on the vacuum pump, the most expensive scenaro ($350 + labor). On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yup. In my 79 300TD, there was a large glob of (wait for it) Shoe Goo sealing a hole on that tube. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:17 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
I have changed vac pumps a coupla times on the TD and the SD. Fairly easy job on the SD, a bit more involved on the TD. I have a tutorial on it. --R On 11/10/14 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My pessimistic half is betting on the vacuum pump, the most expensive scenaro ($350 + labor). On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yup. In my 79 300TD, there was a large glob of (wait for it) Shoe Goo sealing a hole on that tube. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:17 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD It's the big plastic tube that gose to the break booster. If it is braken you will loose you're break peddle. Their a known week link. --R On 11/9/14 11:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:41 PM To: Scott Ritchey; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD My pessimistic half is betting on the vacuum pump, the most expensive scenaro ($350 + labor). The junkyard / breakers / pick and pull is your friend. I had one break mechanically. It sounded like a rod was going to let loose. $60 later with a trip to the bone yard, and it was all better. Potomac German Auto is close by, yes? Call and maybe they have one and will ship...? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
My symptoms are silent -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 10 November 2014, 04:31PM -0500 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:41 PM To: Scott Ritchey; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD My pessimistic half is betting on the vacuum pump, the most expensive scenaro ($350 + labor). The junkyard / breakers / pick and pull is your friend. I had one break mechanically. It sounded like a rod was going to let loose. $60 later with a trip to the bone yard, and it was all better. Potomac German Auto is close by, yes? Call and maybe they have one and will ship...? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
You need to get a Mityvac and have at the various hoses and connections. You'll track it down soon enough. You can see if there is vacuum coming from the pump or not. If there is then there is a leak in a line or your brake booster or some other part in the system. It is easy enough to check where, the lines to the locks go off behind the brake line (I think, been awhile since I have done this) so you can disconnect the connector and plug up the line, then see if the brakes work. The shutoff line is along there too, just look where the hoses go. You can plug the lines with a golf tee or pencil. It should pull down pretty far, if not much vacuum then you have a leak in the line from the pump or the diaphragm. Those connectors disintegrate and leak, I ended up making another one for in front of the brake booster on the TD from some barb fittings and a tee from Home Depot. Works fine and will last forever, I think even cheaper than the actual part. The vac hoses under the hood can rot too, vac hose is cheap. Remember, this is one case where if it sucks, that is good. --R On 11/10/14 6:23 PM, astrasfogel--- via Mercedes wrote: My symptoms are silent -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 10 November 2014, 04:31PM -0500 from Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:41 PM To: Scott Ritchey; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD My pessimistic half is betting on the vacuum pump, the most expensive scenaro ($350 + labor). The junkyard / breakers / pick and pull is your friend. I had one break mechanically. It sounded like a rod was going to let loose. $60 later with a trip to the bone yard, and it was all better. Potomac German Auto is close by, yes? Call and maybe they have one and will ship...? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Some of you will recall my write up of the intermittent loss of power braking on my 1983 300TD, coupled with the loss of engine shut off (won't turn off with key). I fiddled with a rubber connector to the brake booster line, and happily the problem disappeared for nearly a week. The issue then resurfaced, but now the following symptoms occur all the time: 1) Power brakes completely gone - must apply extremely forceful pressure on the brake pedal (or petal, if you prefer). 2) Cannot shut off the engine with key - must be done manually 3) Vacuum door locks completely inoperative, even with the engine running. Otherwise, everything else on the car works fine. Whoever is the first to successfully diagnose this problem, based solely on the symptoms enunciated above, wins a coveted ATTABOY. Good luck. Andrew 1983 300TD No brakes, locks or engine shutoff 1985 300TD CA version ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Failed vacuum pump diaphragm? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Some of you will recall my write up of the intermittent loss of power braking on my 1983 300TD, coupled with the loss of engine shut off (won't turn off with key). I fiddled with a rubber connector to the brake booster line, and happily the problem disappeared for nearly a week. The issue then resurfaced, but now the following symptoms occur all the time: 1) Power brakes completely gone - must apply extremely forceful pressure on the brake pedal (or petal, if you prefer). 2) Cannot shut off the engine with key - must be done manually 3) Vacuum door locks completely inoperative, even with the engine running. Otherwise, everything else on the car works fine. Whoever is the first to successfully diagnose this problem, based solely on the symptoms enunciated above, wins a coveted ATTABOY. Good luck. Andrew 1983 300TD No brakes, locks or engine shutoff 1985 300TD CA version ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Same as the last time. Read the suggestions posted to you. Vacuum pump is bad or you have a massive vacuum leak. THis was all explained to you before. Some of you will recall my write up of the intermittent loss of power braking on my 1983 300TD, coupled with the loss of engine shut off (won't turn off with key). I fiddled with a rubber connector to the brake booster line, and happily the problem disappeared for nearly a week. The issue then resurfaced, but now the following symptoms occur all the time: 1) Power brakes completely gone - must apply extremely forceful pressure on the brake pedal (or petal, if you prefer). 2) Cannot shut off the engine with key - must be done manually 3) Vacuum door locks completely inoperative, even with the engine running. Otherwise, everything else on the car works fine. Whoever is the first to successfully diagnose this problem, based solely on the symptoms enunciated above, wins a coveted ATTABOY. Good luck. Andrew 1983 300TD No brakes, locks or engine shutoff 1985 300TD CA version ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
What's that? On Nov 9, 2014 11:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fact that messing with the nut made it better for a while leads me to guess the main synthetic tube is broken. No diaphragm on that car. I vote for busted main vacuum line or a ruptured booster. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
