Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I am talking about the clean diesel fuel -low sulphur.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Well that is the  politically correct view.lots of evidence of diesel
> > vs.gas not to  mention  coal generated electric. . Rant off.
>
> Early diesels ran on coal dust, FWIW.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:

> Well that is the  politically correct view.lots of evidence of diesel
> vs.gas not to  mention  coal generated electric. . Rant off.

Early diesels ran on coal dust, FWIW.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I drive a clean diesel - the best of all worlds!

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:08 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well that is the  politically correct view.lots of evidence of diesel
> vs.gas not to  mention  coal generated electric. . Rant off.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But, but diesels are bad, very, very bad!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 21, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > This would never happen with my OM 617 diesel.
> > >
> > > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:15 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> About that Tesla fire:
> > >> "Tesla Fire in Texas Crash Was Not How It Was Reported, Says Fire
> Chief"
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36189237/tesla-model-s-fire-texas-crash-details-fire-chief/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   - A crash
> > >>   <
> > >>
> >
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36175793/tesla-model-s-crash-texas-autopilot/
> > >>>
> > >> and
> > >>   subsequent fire of a Tesla Model S
> > >>    this past weekend
> > quickly
> > >>   caught attention online for its "four-hour" blaze, but that's not
> > >> exactly
> > >>   what happened, the fire chief told *Car and Driver* today.
> > >>   - The initial fireball was contained in a matter of minutes, and it
> > was
> > >>   just tiny flareups that were a longer-lasting problem, chief Palmer
> > Buck
> > >>   explained to the *Houston Chronicle
> > >>   <
> > >>
> >
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/neighborhood/woodlands/article/Woodlands-fire-chief-says-Tesla-fire-example-of-16113029.php
> > >>>
> > >> *
> > >>   and *C/D.*
> > >>   - Although the chief acknowledges EV fires require different tactics
> > by
> > >>   firefighters, Tesla and government safety data asserts that
> > traditional
> > >>   internal-combustion vehicles experience one fire for every 19
> million
> > >> miles
> > >>   traveled; for Teslas EVs, it's one fire for 205 million miles
> > traveled.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> That was my thought too. Play stupid games
> > >>>
> > >>> Allan
> > >>>
> > >>> "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  writes:
> > >>>
> >  Father Charles calls two more home.
> > 
> >  On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
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> > >>
> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>
> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> > >> Wernher
> > >> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Well that is the  politically correct view.lots of evidence of diesel
vs.gas not to  mention  coal generated electric. . Rant off.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But, but diesels are bad, very, very bad!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This would never happen with my OM 617 diesel.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:15 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> About that Tesla fire:
> >> "Tesla Fire in Texas Crash Was Not How It Was Reported, Says Fire Chief"
> >>
> >>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36189237/tesla-model-s-fire-texas-crash-details-fire-chief/
> >>
> >>
> >>   - A crash
> >>   <
> >>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36175793/tesla-model-s-crash-texas-autopilot/
> >>>
> >> and
> >>   subsequent fire of a Tesla Model S
> >>    this past weekend
> quickly
> >>   caught attention online for its "four-hour" blaze, but that's not
> >> exactly
> >>   what happened, the fire chief told *Car and Driver* today.
> >>   - The initial fireball was contained in a matter of minutes, and it
> was
> >>   just tiny flareups that were a longer-lasting problem, chief Palmer
> Buck
> >>   explained to the *Houston Chronicle
> >>   <
> >>
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/neighborhood/woodlands/article/Woodlands-fire-chief-says-Tesla-fire-example-of-16113029.php
> >>>
> >> *
> >>   and *C/D.*
> >>   - Although the chief acknowledges EV fires require different tactics
> by
> >>   firefighters, Tesla and government safety data asserts that
> traditional
> >>   internal-combustion vehicles experience one fire for every 19 million
> >> miles
> >>   traveled; for Teslas EVs, it's one fire for 205 million miles
> traveled.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> That was my thought too. Play stupid games
> >>>
> >>> Allan
> >>>
> >>> "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  writes:
> >>>
>  Father Charles calls two more home.
> 
>  On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >>>
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> >>
> >> --
> >> OK Don
> >>
> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>
> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> >> Wernher
> >> Von Braun
> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

But, but diesels are bad, very, very bad!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This would never happen with my OM 617 diesel.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:15 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> About that Tesla fire:
>> "Tesla Fire in Texas Crash Was Not How It Was Reported, Says Fire Chief"
>> 
>> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36189237/tesla-model-s-fire-texas-crash-details-fire-chief/
>> 
>> 
>>   - A crash
>>   <
>> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36175793/tesla-model-s-crash-texas-autopilot/
>>> 
>> and
>>   subsequent fire of a Tesla Model S
>>    this past weekend quickly
>>   caught attention online for its "four-hour" blaze, but that's not
>> exactly
>>   what happened, the fire chief told *Car and Driver* today.
>>   - The initial fireball was contained in a matter of minutes, and it was
>>   just tiny flareups that were a longer-lasting problem, chief Palmer Buck
>>   explained to the *Houston Chronicle
>>   <
>> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/neighborhood/woodlands/article/Woodlands-fire-chief-says-Tesla-fire-example-of-16113029.php
>>> 
>> *
>>   and *C/D.*
>>   - Although the chief acknowledges EV fires require different tactics by
>>   firefighters, Tesla and government safety data asserts that traditional
>>   internal-combustion vehicles experience one fire for every 19 million
>> miles
>>   traveled; for Teslas EVs, it's one fire for 205 million miles traveled.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That was my thought too. Play stupid games
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  writes:
>>> 
 Father Charles calls two more home.
 
 On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> 
> 
>>> 
>> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
> 
> Allan
> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> --
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

This would never happen with my OM 617 diesel.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:15 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> About that Tesla fire:
> "Tesla Fire in Texas Crash Was Not How It Was Reported, Says Fire Chief"
>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36189237/tesla-model-s-fire-texas-crash-details-fire-chief/
>
>
>- A crash
><
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36175793/tesla-model-s-crash-texas-autopilot/
> >
> and
>subsequent fire of a Tesla Model S
> this past weekend quickly
>caught attention online for its "four-hour" blaze, but that's not
> exactly
>what happened, the fire chief told *Car and Driver* today.
>- The initial fireball was contained in a matter of minutes, and it was
>just tiny flareups that were a longer-lasting problem, chief Palmer Buck
>explained to the *Houston Chronicle
><
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/neighborhood/woodlands/article/Woodlands-fire-chief-says-Tesla-fire-example-of-16113029.php
> >
> *
>and *C/D.*
>- Although the chief acknowledges EV fires require different tactics by
>firefighters, Tesla and government safety data asserts that traditional
>internal-combustion vehicles experience one fire for every 19 million
> miles
>traveled; for Teslas EVs, it's one fire for 205 million miles traveled.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That was my thought too. Play stupid games
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  writes:
> >
> > > Father Charles calls two more home.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
> > >>
> > >> Allan
> > >>
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> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[OK Don via Mercedes]

About that Tesla fire:
"Tesla Fire in Texas Crash Was Not How It Was Reported, Says Fire Chief"
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36189237/tesla-model-s-fire-texas-crash-details-fire-chief/


   - A crash
   

and
   subsequent fire of a Tesla Model S
    this past weekend quickly
   caught attention online for its "four-hour" blaze, but that's not exactly
   what happened, the fire chief told *Car and Driver* today.
   - The initial fireball was contained in a matter of minutes, and it was
   just tiny flareups that were a longer-lasting problem, chief Palmer Buck
   explained to the *Houston Chronicle
   

*
   and *C/D.*
   - Although the chief acknowledges EV fires require different tactics by
   firefighters, Tesla and government safety data asserts that traditional
   internal-combustion vehicles experience one fire for every 19 million miles
   traveled; for Teslas EVs, it's one fire for 205 million miles traveled.


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> That was my thought too. Play stupid games
>
> Allan
>
> "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  writes:
>
> > Father Charles calls two more home.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

That was my thought too. Play stupid games

Allan

"M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  writes:

> Father Charles calls two more home.
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
>>
>> Allan
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

When i was a firefighter pre Tesla we used foam - not water.
This is more evidence on how evil Teslas are. IMHO

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 8:38 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  This doesn't speak well to the local fire department. You don't put water
> on an electrical fire.AFAIK there is a foam that most FDs have specifically
> for this kind of fire.
> I'm not sure the condition they're suggesting occurred is possible. I
> think the car will require input from a driver every 20-30 seconds or it'll
> stop driving. I don't think you could "jump in the backseat" and let the
> car drive as the article suggests. I drove one 2 years ago and it required
> you to keep your hands on the wheel or the self driving would kick out.
> -Curt
>
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021, 8:18:15 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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>
>
> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Father Charles calls two more home.

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> https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/
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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> You don't put water on an electrical fire.

Well, it's more complex than that.  But yes, there are better substances.
The water might only have been for suppressing smoke and heat, to avoid
damaging the roadway etc.

So far as I know, even smothering it in Pintos would have worked as well
as water, so far as putting out the fire went.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 This doesn't speak well to the local fire department. You don't put water on 
an electrical fire.AFAIK there is a foam that most FDs have specifically for 
this kind of fire.
I'm not sure the condition they're suggesting occurred is possible. I think the 
car will require input from a driver every 20-30 seconds or it'll stop driving. 
I don't think you could "jump in the backseat" and let the car drive as the 
article suggests. I drove one 2 years ago and it required you to keep your 
hands on the wheel or the self driving would kick out.
-Curt

On Sunday, April 18, 2021, 8:18:15 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/

Allan

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[MBZ] Two dead in Tesla crash; 32k gallons of water to extinguish battery fire; nobody driving.

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/

Allan

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