Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
It's been a while since I've had enough free time to really get online and ask questions. So this is going back quite a ways to when I was asking about my leaking trunk. I did eventually find the extremely clogged drains on both sides of the rear wheel wells and free them of quite a lot of gunk. With the ability for the car to now properly drain I was able to find *fresh* water coming in to the trunk. On both sides, apparently some where above the hump of the wheel well, water is able to enter and then run down the wheel wells in twin streams, one on other side, into the pockets where the drains are located. However I am unsure where the water actually starts. Since it is coming from both sides apparently equally, would this be more likely to be a shot rear window seal, or something to do with the sunroof? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
I vote rear window. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal It's been a while since I've had enough free time to really get online and ask questions. So this is going back quite a ways to when I was asking about my leaking trunk. I did eventually find the extremely clogged drains on both sides of the rear wheel wells and free them of quite a lot of gunk. With the ability for the car to now properly drain I was able to find *fresh* water coming in to the trunk. On both sides, apparently some where above the hump of the wheel well, water is able to enter and then run down the wheel wells in twin streams, one on other side, into the pockets where the drains are located. However I am unsure where the water actually starts. Since it is coming from both sides apparently equally, would this be more likely to be a shot rear window seal, or something to do with the sunroof? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Probably a rear window seal. if the trunk seal fails, the water just runs down the edges of the trunk and off the back of the car. The rear window seal leak is a tough one to find - there are several layers of metal between the rear window frame and the trunk, and the water will wind it's way around through these parts and make it into the trunk area. Dan --- On Sun, 6/6/10, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 10:30 AM It's been a while since I've had enough free time to really get online and ask questions. So this is going back quite a ways to when I was asking about my leaking trunk. I did eventually find the extremely clogged drains on both sides of the rear wheel wells and free them of quite a lot of gunk. With the ability for the car to now properly drain I was able to find *fresh* water coming in to the trunk. On both sides, apparently some where above the hump of the wheel well, water is able to enter and then run down the wheel wells in twin streams, one on other side, into the pockets where the drains are located. However I am unsure where the water actually starts. Since it is coming from both sides apparently equally, would this be more likely to be a shot rear window seal, or something to do with the sunroof? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Rear window or rear windSHIELD?? On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Probably a rear window seal. if the trunk seal fails, the water just runs down the edges of the trunk and off the back of the car. The rear window seal leak is a tough one to find - there are several layers of metal between the rear window frame and the trunk, and the water will wind it's way around through these parts and make it into the trunk area. Dan --- On Sun, 6/6/10, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 10:30 AM It's been a while since I've had enough free time to really get online and ask questions. So this is going back quite a ways to when I was asking about my leaking trunk. I did eventually find the extremely clogged drains on both sides of the rear wheel wells and free them of quite a lot of gunk. With the ability for the car to now properly drain I was able to find *fresh* water coming in to the trunk. On both sides, apparently some where above the hump of the wheel well, water is able to enter and then run down the wheel wells in twin streams, one on other side, into the pockets where the drains are located. However I am unsure where the water actually starts. Since it is coming from both sides apparently equally, would this be more likely to be a shot rear window seal, or something to do with the sunroof? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
is able to enter and then run down the wheel wells in twin streams, one on other side, into the pockets where the drains are located. The sunroof drains come down there, and should be tubed to beneath the car. Or the window leaks badly! My SL's trunk seal is leaking, the water is getting under the rubber and spilling over the short metal lip and in. There's less of a crown on the SL's trunk opening than the 123, I just thought I'd point out that it can leak even when there's nothing obviously wrong. (The channel needs re-cleaning out and a full gluing of the rubber. That'll keep the water from spilling into the trunk, it'll instead follow the channel around the trunk, then down and off the back as it's supposed to go.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Rear windshield/windscreen, whatever. Dan --- On Sun, 6/6/10, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 12:22 PM Rear window or rear windSHIELD?? On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Probably a rear window seal. if the trunk seal fails, the water just runs down the edges of the trunk and off the back of the car. The rear window seal leak is a tough one to find - there are several layers of metal between the rear window frame and the trunk, and the water will wind it's way around through these parts and make it into the trunk area. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
The rear window can only be a windshield or windscreen if you are driving reeeaaallly fast in reverse. Otherwise there is no wind to shield or screen you from. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal Rear windshield/windscreen, whatever. Dan --- On Sun, 6/6/10, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 12:22 PM Rear window or rear windSHIELD?? On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Probably a rear window seal. if the trunk seal fails, the water just runs down the edges of the trunk and off the back of the car. The rear window seal leak is a tough one to find - there are several layers of metal between the rear window frame and the trunk, and the water will wind it's way around through these parts and make it into the trunk area. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
The rear window can only be a windshield or windscreen if you are driving reeeaaallly fast in reverse. Otherwise there is no wind to shield or screen you from. Speaking as an SL owner, I beg to differ. The blast of air roiling forwards as you drive can be quite unpleasant. The flip-up aftermarket see-through windscreen is worth owning. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Jim is right - from my hippy days driving an MGA with long hair whipping into my eyes - it hurt and was dangerous. On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The rear window can only be a windshield or windscreen if you are driving reeeaaallly fast in reverse. Otherwise there is no wind to shield or screen you from. Speaking as an SL owner, I beg to differ. The blast of air roiling forwards as you drive can be quite unpleasant. The flip-up aftermarket see-through windscreen is worth owning. -- Jim -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Common trunk leak sources include rear window (rust in corners) and tail lights (seals). -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:25 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: If you have 3 feet of water in there it will come out somewhere, trust me. Nah, it isn't 3 feet. When I bought the car, the trunk was leaking. The service shop says it was the broken antenna, that water was coming in there. So they've broken off the remainder of the antenna and sealed it off with a putty/tape like substance. There isn't any noticeable rust in the trunk, so my belief is that the leak is recent, and hasn't been happening a real long time. There is rust in other body panels, so I know she has been outside a good portion of her life. My brother and I took after the trunk with a shop wet/dry vac and got up a good amount of the stored water that was in the spare tire section. I have noticed water in the deck lid, though. I open the trunk, and water sloshes out. The service shop says that the remaining water is evaporating from heat, rising to the deck lid, condensing, rolling down the lid into the front of it, then when I open it falls back out and the cycle pretty much repeats. The trunk has not once been completely dry since I've owned the car. So my thought was, is it sealed so well that this water has no where else to go. However, I've not noticed any drains. I'll have to make time to try to locate the ones mentioned here. Greg says he clears his with a chopstick? So they can't be very large, right? There are small depressions behind the wheel wells where water sits. We had shop vac'd those out too, as they had some standing water in them. So the drains should be in those areas, or somewhere under the spare tire? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: If you have 3 feet of water in there it will come out somewhere, trust me. Nah, it isn't 3 feet. When I bought the car, the trunk was leaking. The service shop says it was the broken antenna, that water was coming in there. So they've broken off the remainder of the antenna and sealed it off with a putty/tape like substance. There isn't any noticeable rust in the trunk, so my belief is that the leak is recent, and hasn't been happening a real long time. There is rust in other body panels, so I know she has been outside a good portion of her life. My brother and I took after the trunk with a shop wet/dry vac and got up a good amount of the stored water that was in the spare tire section. I have noticed water in the deck lid, though. I open the trunk, and water sloshes out. The service shop says that the remaining water is evaporating from heat, rising to the deck lid, condensing, rolling down the lid into the front of it, then when I open it falls back out and the cycle pretty much repeats. The trunk has not once been completely dry since I've owned the car. So my thought was, is it sealed so well that this water has no where else to go. However, I've not noticed any drains. I'll have to make time to try to locate the ones mentioned here. Greg says he clears his with a chopstick? So they can't be very large, right? There are small depressions behind the wheel wells where water sits. We had shop vac'd those out too, as they had some standing water in them. So the drains should be in those areas, or somewhere under the spare tire? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
All of the above, theres 3 drains in the trunk, one in each wheel well and one under the spare tire. Fill a wheel well with water and feel around with your finger. My fingers are pretty small and I can fit a fingertip through... Alternately go underneath and look up... -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:24:34 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal Message-ID: m2n446c86e31004060724od78e14abn3cc94cd7e1b80...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: If you have 3 feet of water in there it will come out somewhere, trust me. Nah, it isn't 3 feet. When I bought the car, the trunk was leaking. The service shop says it was the broken antenna, that water was coming in there. So they've broken off the remainder of the antenna and sealed it off with a putty/tape like substance. There isn't any noticeable rust in the trunk, so my belief is that the leak is recent, and hasn't been happening a real long time. There is rust in other body panels, so I know she has been outside a good portion of her life. My brother and I took after the trunk with a shop wet/dry vac and got up a good amount of the stored water that was in the spare tire section. I have noticed water in the deck lid, though. I open the trunk, and water sloshes out. The service shop says that the remaining water is evaporating from heat, rising to the deck lid, condensing, rolling down the lid into the front of it, then when I open it falls back out and the cycle pretty much repeats. The trunk has not once been completely dry since I've owned the car. So my thought was, is it sealed so well that this water has no where else to go. However, I've not noticed any drains. I'll have to make time to try to locate the ones mentioned here. Greg says he clears his with a chopstick? So they can't be very large, right? There are small depressions behind the wheel wells where water sits. We had shop vac'd those out too, as they had some standing water in them. So the drains should be in those areas, or somewhere under the spare tire? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:24:34 -0400 Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: So my thought was, is it sealed so well that this water has no where else to go. No, not if the three drains are unplugged. However, I've not noticed any drains. I'll have to make time to try to locate the ones mentioned here. Greg says he clears his with a chopstick? So they can't be very large, right? There are small depressions behind the wheel wells where water sits. We had shop vac'd those out too, as they had some standing water in them. So the drains should be in those areas, or somewhere under the spare tire? The drains are in both of the depressions behind the wheel wells and underneath the spare tire -- one for each water collection basin. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Odd question, but does the W123 trunk seal so well that it won't let water *out*? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
If you have 3 feet of water in there it will come out somewhere, trust me. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal Odd question, but does the W123 trunk seal so well that it won't let water *out*? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
I wouldn't think so. Isn't there a gap where the 2 ends of the seal don't quite meet at the bottom? In any case the 2 drains should provide adequate venting for each other. If it doesn't drain then the drains are likely clogged. I use a bamboo chopstick from below to clear them. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal Odd question, but does the W123 trunk seal so well that it won't let water *out*? EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Rusty Cullens wrote: If you have 3 feet of water in there it will come out somewhere, trust me. The passenger cabin? Is a 123 line a 116 in that the wells behind the back wheels can fill with liquid to several inches deep? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
There's a ~3/4 drain in each of those wells - with a rubber boot to keep stuff from the road coming in through them They'd drain water though - as long as leaves, maps, gloves, etc aren't covering them. YMMV LarryT 91 300D 78 240D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal Rusty Cullens wrote: If you have 3 feet of water in there it will come out somewhere, trust me. The passenger cabin? Is a 123 line a 116 in that the wells behind the back wheels can fill with liquid to several inches deep? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal
Odd question, but does the W123 trunk seal so well that it won't let water *out*? You mean if it's a swimming pool and slopping out of the top, or do you wonder if it has drains in the floor? (It should.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
