Re: [MBZ] We've sprung a leak

[clay via Mercedes]

I ran up to the PnP and scored three pans.  One from a TE, the other two W126.  
Fresh seal and a used pan.  Good as, used

clay

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Torque converter drained into the pan while it was sitting?  My wagon will do 
> that after sitting for weeks and weeks.  The normal ATF level in the pan is 
> below the pan lip seal, so no leaking, but if the torque converter drains 
> down into the pan, level goes over what the pan can contain and it can leak.
> 
> You may need a new pan to contain the leak.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On November 18, 2016 7:55:37 PM EST, clay via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> I did the ATF change a few days ago.  Took it for a drive, checked
>> level, got under and looked for leaks.  The thing was buttoned up
>> tight.  Dry as it has never been, and clean.
>> 
>> Today, I go out to try to take the SDL for an errand and it will not
>> fire off.  There is a wet shadow all under the car.  At a glance it
>> looked like rain that had yet to dry.  Closer, and it looked red and
>> there was a drip coming off the passenger rear corner of the pan.  Lots
>> of fluid, maybe a cup or so on the ground.  I had to hook up the
>> charger for a few hours to get enough  electrons for it to light off,
>> then drove it up a ramp.  
>> 
>> When I got under, I could see what looked like damp along the seal from
>> mid pan bolt to the rear bolt.  I brake cleanered it and waited to see
>> what happened.  There was a second drip.  It was coming from midline at
>> the rear of the pan, and though small beads, it was faster than the
>> side.  I loosened the two bolts to see if that would hasten or slow the
>> leakage.  It did not.  I was very careful in making sure the seal had
>> seated well and wiped the mating surface at the trans.   The seal is
>> new and supple.  Had been lubed with atf both inside and out.  What
>> could be going on?
>> 
>> I will have to drop the pan and refill if I am not able to get this
>> thing to really seal.
>> 
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] We've sprung a leak

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When I first got the 87 300D, I changed fluid and filter.and drove it.  
It leaked ATF pretty bad until the oil change.  After I got the leaks 
pretty well stopped it it seemed fine.  THen I parked it for a couple 
days.Came back and the puddle was almost from the rear wheels to the 
front wheels.I refilled the trans and drove it.  Put a bottle of the 
stop leak/ gasket softener stuff in and its been fine for the past 9 
yrs.   List speculation at the time was that the TC puked and it went on 
the ground.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
November 18, 2016 at 7:41 PM
That sounds fine to me. I'm curious to hear other ideas.

Maybe Mobil 1 ATF will restore whatever seal keeps the torque 
converter from draining?

clay via Mercedes 
November 18, 2016 at 7:37 PM
I am not sure, but the TC could have done something like that. I had 
drained it as part of the filter change. Put less than enough ATF in 
before doing a big drive about to get the system hot. Around 15 miles 
in 3. When I got home I put a few cups in to get enough fluid on the 
stick to hit the low mark while the engine was running. Rowed through 
the gears a few times to get all the fluid around before and after the 
drive and top off.


clay





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Max Dillon via Mercedes 
November 18, 2016 at 7:28 PM
Torque converter drained into the pan while it was sitting? My wagon 
will do that after sitting for weeks and weeks. The normal ATF level 
in the pan is below the pan lip seal, so no leaking, but if the torque 
converter drains down into the pan, level goes over what the pan can 
contain and it can leak.


You may need a new pan to contain the leak.
clay via Mercedes 
November 18, 2016 at 6:55 PM
I did the ATF change a few days ago. Took it for a drive, checked 
level, got under and looked for leaks. The thing was buttoned up 
tight. Dry as it has never been, and clean.


Today, I go out to try to take the SDL for an errand and it will not 
fire off. There is a wet shadow all under the car. At a glance it 
looked like rain that had yet to dry. Closer, and it looked red and 
there was a drip coming off the passenger rear corner of the pan. Lots 
of fluid, maybe a cup or so on the ground. I had to hook up the 
charger for a few hours to get enough electrons for it to light off, 
then drove it up a ramp.


When I got under, I could see what looked like damp along the seal 
from mid pan bolt to the rear bolt. I brake cleanered it and waited to 
see what happened. There was a second drip. It was coming from midline 
at the rear of the pan, and though small beads, it was faster than the 
side. I loosened the two bolts to see if that would hasten or slow the 
leakage. It did not. I was very careful in making sure the seal had 
seated well and wiped the mating surface at the trans. The seal is new 
and supple. Had been lubed with atf both inside and out. What could be 
going on?


I will have to drop the pan and refill if I am not able to get this 
thing to really seal.


clay
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Re: [MBZ] We've sprung a leak

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That sounds fine to me.  I'm curious to hear other ideas.

Maybe Mobil 1 ATF will restore whatever seal keeps the torque converter from 
draining?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 18, 2016 8:37:54 PM EST, clay via Mercedes  
wrote:
>I am not sure, but the TC could have done something like that.  I had
>drained it as part of the filter change.  Put less than enough ATF in
>before doing a big drive about to get the system hot.  Around 15 miles
>in 3.  When I got home I put a few cups in to get enough fluid on the
>stick to hit the low mark while the engine was running.   Rowed through
>the gears a few times to get all the fluid around before and after the
>drive and top off.
>
>clay
>
>
>
>> On Nov 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Torque converter drained into the pan while it was sitting?  My wagon
>will do that after sitting for weeks and weeks.  The normal ATF level
>in the pan is below the pan lip seal, so no leaking, but if the torque
>converter drains down into the pan, level goes over what the pan can
>contain and it can leak.
>> 
>> You may need a new pan to contain the leak.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On November 18, 2016 7:55:37 PM EST, clay via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> I did the ATF change a few days ago.  Took it for a drive, checked
>>> level, got under and looked for leaks.  The thing was buttoned up
>>> tight.  Dry as it has never been, and clean.
>>> 
>>> Today, I go out to try to take the SDL for an errand and it will not
>>> fire off.  There is a wet shadow all under the car.  At a glance it
>>> looked like rain that had yet to dry.  Closer, and it looked red and
>>> there was a drip coming off the passenger rear corner of the pan. 
>Lots
>>> of fluid, maybe a cup or so on the ground.  I had to hook up the
>>> charger for a few hours to get enough  electrons for it to light
>off,
>>> then drove it up a ramp.  
>>> 
>>> When I got under, I could see what looked like damp along the seal
>from
>>> mid pan bolt to the rear bolt.  I brake cleanered it and waited to
>see
>>> what happened.  There was a second drip.  It was coming from midline
>at
>>> the rear of the pan, and though small beads, it was faster than the
>>> side.  I loosened the two bolts to see if that would hasten or slow
>the
>>> leakage.  It did not.  I was very careful in making sure the seal
>had
>>> seated well and wiped the mating surface at the trans.   The seal is
>>> new and supple.  Had been lubed with atf both inside and out.  What
>>> could be going on?
>>> 
>>> I will have to drop the pan and refill if I am not able to get this
>>> thing to really seal.
>>> 
>>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] We've sprung a leak

[clay via Mercedes]

I am not sure, but the TC could have done something like that.  I had drained 
it as part of the filter change.  Put less than enough ATF in before doing a 
big drive about to get the system hot.  Around 15 miles in 3.  When I got home 
I put a few cups in to get enough fluid on the stick to hit the low mark while 
the engine was running.   Rowed through the gears a few times to get all the 
fluid around before and after the drive and top off.

clay



> On Nov 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Torque converter drained into the pan while it was sitting?  My wagon will do 
> that after sitting for weeks and weeks.  The normal ATF level in the pan is 
> below the pan lip seal, so no leaking, but if the torque converter drains 
> down into the pan, level goes over what the pan can contain and it can leak.
> 
> You may need a new pan to contain the leak.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On November 18, 2016 7:55:37 PM EST, clay via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> I did the ATF change a few days ago.  Took it for a drive, checked
>> level, got under and looked for leaks.  The thing was buttoned up
>> tight.  Dry as it has never been, and clean.
>> 
>> Today, I go out to try to take the SDL for an errand and it will not
>> fire off.  There is a wet shadow all under the car.  At a glance it
>> looked like rain that had yet to dry.  Closer, and it looked red and
>> there was a drip coming off the passenger rear corner of the pan.  Lots
>> of fluid, maybe a cup or so on the ground.  I had to hook up the
>> charger for a few hours to get enough  electrons for it to light off,
>> then drove it up a ramp.  
>> 
>> When I got under, I could see what looked like damp along the seal from
>> mid pan bolt to the rear bolt.  I brake cleanered it and waited to see
>> what happened.  There was a second drip.  It was coming from midline at
>> the rear of the pan, and though small beads, it was faster than the
>> side.  I loosened the two bolts to see if that would hasten or slow the
>> leakage.  It did not.  I was very careful in making sure the seal had
>> seated well and wiped the mating surface at the trans.   The seal is
>> new and supple.  Had been lubed with atf both inside and out.  What
>> could be going on?
>> 
>> I will have to drop the pan and refill if I am not able to get this
>> thing to really seal.
>> 
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] We've sprung a leak

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Torque converter drained into the pan while it was sitting?  My wagon will do 
that after sitting for weeks and weeks.  The normal ATF level in the pan is 
below the pan lip seal, so no leaking, but if the torque converter drains down 
into the pan, level goes over what the pan can contain and it can leak.

You may need a new pan to contain the leak.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 18, 2016 7:55:37 PM EST, clay via Mercedes  
wrote:
>I did the ATF change a few days ago.  Took it for a drive, checked
>level, got under and looked for leaks.  The thing was buttoned up
>tight.  Dry as it has never been, and clean.
>
>Today, I go out to try to take the SDL for an errand and it will not
>fire off.  There is a wet shadow all under the car.  At a glance it
>looked like rain that had yet to dry.  Closer, and it looked red and
>there was a drip coming off the passenger rear corner of the pan.  Lots
>of fluid, maybe a cup or so on the ground.  I had to hook up the
>charger for a few hours to get enough  electrons for it to light off,
>then drove it up a ramp.  
>
>When I got under, I could see what looked like damp along the seal from
>mid pan bolt to the rear bolt.  I brake cleanered it and waited to see
>what happened.  There was a second drip.  It was coming from midline at
>the rear of the pan, and though small beads, it was faster than the
>side.  I loosened the two bolts to see if that would hasten or slow the
>leakage.  It did not.  I was very careful in making sure the seal had
>seated well and wiped the mating surface at the trans.   The seal is
>new and supple.  Had been lubed with atf both inside and out.  What
>could be going on?
>
>I will have to drop the pan and refill if I am not able to get this
>thing to really seal.
>
>clay
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[MBZ] We've sprung a leak

[clay via Mercedes]

I did the ATF change a few days ago.  Took it for a drive, checked level, got 
under and looked for leaks.  The thing was buttoned up tight.  Dry as it has 
never been, and clean.

Today, I go out to try to take the SDL for an errand and it will not fire off.  
There is a wet shadow all under the car.  At a glance it looked like rain that 
had yet to dry.  Closer, and it looked red and there was a drip coming off the 
passenger rear corner of the pan.  Lots of fluid, maybe a cup or so on the 
ground.  I had to hook up the charger for a few hours to get enough  electrons 
for it to light off, then drove it up a ramp.  

When I got under, I could see what looked like damp along the seal from mid pan 
bolt to the rear bolt.  I brake cleanered it and waited to see what happened.  
There was a second drip.  It was coming from midline at the rear of the pan, 
and though small beads, it was faster than the side.  I loosened the two bolts 
to see if that would hasten or slow the leakage.  It did not.  I was very 
careful in making sure the seal had seated well and wiped the mating surface at 
the trans.   The seal is new and supple.  Had been lubed with atf both inside 
and out.  What could be going on?

I will have to drop the pan and refill if I am not able to get this thing to 
really seal.

clay
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