Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
I am always to hot in most stores I visit. Feels like it's 75 or higher in many. at home we keep it at 66-68F in winter -- Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Zoltan Finks wrote: Without delving too deeply, I can just say that I'm surprised how warm most people keep their homes and businesses. For cat's sake, turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater! I am so stiflingly hot and uncomfortable in many peoples' homes. We keep ours at 62 when I'm home alone and 64 when the wife is here. I'm guilty as charged. I keep mine at 73. I like to be comfortable wearing pants, socks, and a short sleeved shirt. Thats what I wear at work, and when I go outside I put on a jacket. If I lived farther north I might wear a long sleeved shirt (they aggravate me to no end though), but down here in MS it doesn't bother me to pony up the money to stay warm. I also keep it at 72-73 in the summer (now that is probably on the excessive side in MS). I do this partly because my parents were so stingy about it. Especially my Dad. When I'd go visit him he'd have the thermostat set at 84 in Phoenix in the summer. When I'm sitting in a chair using the computer (ie, no physical activity) I should not be sweating. I've always argued that it was worth the money to be comfortable, and now I'm just carrying that out!! ;) And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Some people sweat, etc at different levels. Personally, by late evening my hair is all greasy and the next morning I feel nasty. I very rarely go without a daily shower... just so I can feel like a normal person. Don't forget people showering after going to the gym. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Earning? I was a graduate student at the time and director of a dormitory, with a very part time job. I was not earning much, but really don't remember anything but being broke about all the time. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Bill, Just wondering... How much were you earning in the mid 70's? Take care, Chuck On Feb 21, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Bill R wrote: So we have $.20/gallon in the 1930's and $.23 in the mid 1960's. I sure wish fuel prices had stayed on that track. In the mid 1970's I had a grey market Alfa GTV with dual Webbers. I was getting 45 mpg at 70 mph on the highway and I can't recall the in-town mileage. I lived on the NW side of Indianapolis and worked a couple of days a week on the East side. I was averaging $2.50 a week for fuel, though if you counted repair and maintenance costs that didn't matter as much as it should have. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/21/08 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel I remember my sister paying a dollar for five gallons of gas during the 1930s. This was for the first car in the family; a 1928 Oakland which had wooden spoke wheels, a cloth top, and a rumble seat. The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. Some stations would keep the cylinder full and dispense it between the gallon marks. One day we heard a loud boom and the house windows rattled. A fellow who was putting gas in the tank of a model T Ford at the station across the street was standing over the tank which was under the front seat. When he lit a cigarette the gas exploded and blew him out of the car. That was on Market Street in New Albany, Indiana. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Alybody remember the gas wars of the 60s on the highway to Boston from New Haven? There was a strip with traffic lights and many competing gas stations, one of which had it down to $.22/gal. during the war. On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earning? I was a graduate student at the time and director of a dormitory, with a very part time job. I was not earning much, but really don't remember anything but being broke about all the time. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Bill, Just wondering... How much were you earning in the mid 70's? Take care, Chuck On Feb 21, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Bill R wrote: So we have $.20/gallon in the 1930's and $.23 in the mid 1960's. I sure wish fuel prices had stayed on that track. In the mid 1970's I had a grey market Alfa GTV with dual Webbers. I was getting 45 mpg at 70 mph on the highway and I can't recall the in-town mileage. I lived on the NW side of Indianapolis and worked a couple of days a week on the East side. I was averaging $2.50 a week for fuel, though if you counted repair and maintenance costs that didn't matter as much as it should have. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/21/08 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel I remember my sister paying a dollar for five gallons of gas during the 1930s. This was for the first car in the family; a 1928 Oakland which had wooden spoke wheels, a cloth top, and a rumble seat. The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. Some stations would keep the cylinder full and dispense it between the gallon marks. One day we heard a loud boom and the house windows rattled. A fellow who was putting gas in the tank of a model T Ford at the station across the street was standing over the tank which was under the front seat. When he lit a cigarette the gas exploded and blew him out of the car. That was on Market Street in New Albany, Indiana. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official
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usually because of the heat from office equipment/lights etc the issue is keeping the heat down. I once worked as a consultant in a Sprint owned 20 story building, during the weekend coding madness the temp would climb to 90F+ We finally said this is crazy how much does it cost to run the building A/C? Was turned off to *save* money, cause who was in the building anyway Besides 100 contractors burning overtime... Manager when away talked to the building owners. Came back and said $57 per day We charged the $114 for each weekend to the pizza/food account. I have also worked in smart building armed with a key flashlight so that we could turn the lights back on via the main electrical panel when the system's motion detectors and clock decide there shouldn't be any more staff present, no just a few consultants grinding away at 10:30 at night... Not enough movement to retrip the sensors... So maybe they stop the a/c and heat with the lamps On Feb 22, 2008, at 10:59 AM, E M wrote: At night, I have a clear view from the back of my house of 4 gov buildings, all with every single light turned on, 24 hours a day. Bet they keep it nice and toasty too. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What always amuses me about JIT inventory is that it applies strictly to putting parts together. Doesn't take long in American manufacturing for the management to want JIT MANUFACTURING of parts, jigs, fixtures, etc. There is an enormous difference between the arrival of pre- manufactured parts and MAKING them on instant demand JIT works great IF someone ELSE has the warehouses. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Brian, Wow! 62 and 64 is going above and beyond the call! The gov't in Canada had tv ads that suggested you turn your t-stat to 68 and put on a sweater, and you're well beyond that! I don't understand this obsession with surgical cleanliness that people seem to have nowadays. Anti-bacterial this, and daisy fresh that. What a load of shit. Especially when you get some desk jockey whose most strenuous moment of the day is lifting his/her coffee cup and they have a shower in the morning and when they get home...or at the gym. (that one I understand) As for truckers, whenever I got some idiot being aggressive behind me I would bide my time until we reached a big hill or two. Then, as we approached the hill I would lift of the pedal and slow down without touching my brakes. He'd have no choice but to back off and it takes him a lot longer to get going again than it does me! This was only done when actual idiots were at the wheel, flashing their lights before they even got close, or riding inches from my rear bumper. In Ontario, trucks are not allowed in the passing lane. (Left lane) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: Without delving too deeply, I can just say that I'm surprised how warm most people keep their homes and businesses. For cat's sake, turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater! I am so stiflingly hot and uncomfortable in many peoples' homes. We keep ours at 62 when I'm home alone and 64 when the wife is here. I'm guilty as charged. I keep mine at 73. I like to be comfortable wearing pants, socks, and a short sleeved shirt. Thats what I wear at work, and when I go outside I put on a jacket. If I lived farther north I might wear a long sleeved shirt (they aggravate me to no end though), but down here in MS it doesn't bother me to pony up the money to stay warm. I also keep it at 72-73 in the summer (now that is probably on the excessive side in MS). I do this partly because my parents were so stingy about it. Especially my Dad. When I'd go visit him he'd have the thermostat set at 84 in Phoenix in the summer. When I'm sitting in a chair using the computer (ie, no physical activity) I should not be sweating. I've always argued that it was worth the money to be comfortable, and now I'm just carrying that out!! ;) And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Some people sweat, etc at different levels. Personally, by late evening my hair is all greasy and the next morning I feel nasty. I very rarely go without a daily shower... just so I can feel like a normal person. Don't forget people showering after going to the gym. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At my 29 years, I've seen gas as low as $0.69 during the mid to late 90s. Luther On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:29:19 -0600, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan wrote: Lowest price I clearly remember as a kid was $0.79/gal for regular. As recently as the mid 1990s I could buy gas for $0.97 - $0.99 near Joliet IL there were two stations there that were always in a price war it seemed. When I first started driving, gas was $.74/gal. I drive a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I remember one time, I didn't know if I could make it home and only had 52 cents in the ashtray. I pulled into a station that offered a 4 cent discount on gas if bought paid cash. So, I put in 56 cents and brought my 52 cents to the register. The guy was laughing at me and told me the discount was only good if you bought a whole gallon. He gave me a break and didn't beat the other four pennies out of me. Donald H. Snook -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree 100 percent. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/21/08 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Zedic wrote: Do you doubt that there's any truth to this horseshit? That is the magic of Al Gore and his movement. He weaves the tiniest little slice of truth into all of the other crap, and then acts self righteous when his critics point out that a lot of what he has alleged is a) not true or b)speculation at best c) contrary to how he lives his own life. Global warming is real - to what extent - is another story. Is it man made? I am not sure it all is. Does it actually affect us? Not sure about that either. Does Al Gore want to profit from his gloom and doom prophesy which is yet to be shown the least bit accurate? THAT is one of the few things I am certain about. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1291 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 11:05 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: At my 29 years, I've seen gas as low as $0.69 during the mid to late 90s. My lowest was about $1 a gallon when I was in high school. Was probably around 2000-2001. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm not quite ready to live like that. While I'll turn a light off if I leave a room, I think ppl are taking this whole global warming/cooling thing a little far. I keep the house at 69, shower three times a day, and use premium gas in all my cars, and I'm not yet convinced doing any of the above makes a bit of difference on the grand scale of things. I dont' feel guilty about doing any of these things either. I brush often too and don't worry too much about the toothpaste going down the drain. Guess I'm just an evil man. But if being evil means smelling good, guess there's no hope for me. hee hee. :-) Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without delving too deeply, I can just say that I'm surprised how warm most people keep their homes and businesses. For cat's sake, turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater! I am so stiflingly hot and uncomfortable in many peoples' homes. We keep ours at 62 when I'm home alone and 64 when the wife is here. And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. You'd think diesel exhaust would kill some smell receptors, but I don't know. (My MB content) Brian One of you guys wrote: Well here's your chance to change your wasteful lifestyle and be the first on your block! Convince your family and friends to modify their lifestyles too! Go ahead! I dare you!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At night, I have a clear view from the back of my house of 4 gov buildings, all with every single light turned on, 24 hours a day. Bet they keep it nice and toasty too. Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Brian, Wow! 62 and 64 is going above and beyond the call! The gov't in Canada had tv ads that suggested you turn your t-stat to 68 and put on a sweater, and you're well beyond that! I don't understand this obsession with surgical cleanliness that people seem to have nowadays. Anti-bacterial this, and daisy fresh that. What a load of shit. Especially when you get some desk jockey whose most strenuous moment of the day is lifting his/her coffee cup and they have a shower in the morning and when they get home...or at the gym. (that one I understand) As for truckers, whenever I got some idiot being aggressive behind me I would bide my time until we reached a big hill or two. Then, as we approached the hill I would lift of the pedal and slow down without touching my brakes. He'd have no choice but to back off and it takes him a lot longer to get going again than it does me! This was only done when actual idiots were at the wheel, flashing their lights before they even got close, or riding inches from my rear bumper. In Ontario, trucks are not allowed in the passing lane. (Left lane) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm not saying it's so with the buildings you look at but from working in industry, I can safely say that once a building reaches a certain size it gets cheaper to leave things on 24/7. Heat gets cheaper because assuming the roof is the same height, multiplying the sq feet by 4 only increases the radiated surfaces per sq foot by 85% For example. a 1 cu ft space has 5 sq ft of area, not counting the bottom. Set 4 out isolated from each other and you have 20 sq ft of surface area (5*4). Now, set up a 1*4*4 space up and you have 17 sq ft of surface area. Multiply by 4 again to 1*8*8* and your surface area per sq foot increases by only 85% again. The numbers get even better for if the area grows three dimensionally. Giving the cost and the load on the utility companies to re-heat a building in the morning, it gets much more economical to leave the thermostat set as is. Lights are another economic decision. Flourescent lights burn out from being started in a large office building, the cost to keep them on is generally less than the cost of buying bulbs more frequently paying a maintenance man to replace them as they burn out. I worked for GTE many years ago and our building covered 17 acres. Maintenence discovered that it was cheaper to leave the lights on 24/7 and to go through change out all of the bulbs ballasts every 3 years. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/22/08 2:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At night, I have a clear view from the back of my house of 4 gov buildings, all with every single light turned on, 24 hours a day. Bet they keep it nice and toasty too. Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Brian, Wow! 62 and 64 is going above and beyond the call! The gov't in Canada had tv ads that suggested you turn your t-stat to 68 and put on a sweater, and you're well beyond that! I don't understand this obsession with surgical cleanliness that people seem to have nowadays. Anti-bacterial this, and daisy fresh that. What a load of shit. Especially when you get some desk jockey whose most strenuous moment of the day is lifting his/her coffee cup and they have a shower in the morning and when they get home...or at the gym. (that one I understand) As for truckers, whenever I got some idiot being aggressive behind me I would bide my time until we reached a big hill or two. Then, as we approached the hill I would lift of the pedal and slow down without touching my brakes. He'd have no choice but to back off and it takes him a lot longer to get going again than it does me! This was only done when actual idiots were at the wheel, flashing their lights before they even got close, or riding inches from my rear bumper. In Ontario, trucks are not allowed in the passing lane. (Left lane) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1293 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 9:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another consideration is that most of these huge buildings do have skelaton crews and cleaning crews at night. Pete -- Original message -- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not saying it's so with the buildings you look at but from working in industry, I can safely say that once a building reaches a certain size it gets cheaper to leave things on 24/7. Heat gets cheaper because assuming the roof is the same height, multiplying the sq feet by 4 only increases the radiated surfaces per sq foot by 85% For example. a 1 cu ft space has 5 sq ft of area, not counting the bottom. Set 4 out isolated from each other and you have 20 sq ft of surface area (5*4). Now, set up a 1*4*4 space up and you have 17 sq ft of surface area. Multiply by 4 again to 1*8*8* and your surface area per sq foot increases by only 85% again. The numbers get even better for if the area grows three dimensionally. Giving the cost and the load on the utility companies to re-heat a building in the morning, it gets much more economical to leave the thermostat set as is. Lights are another economic decision. Flourescent lights burn out from being started in a large office building, the cost to keep them on is generally less than the cost of buying bulbs more frequently paying a maintenance man to replace them as they burn out. I worked for GTE many years ago and our building covered 17 acres. Maintenence discovered that it was cheaper to leave the lights on 24/7 and to go through change out all of the bulbs ballasts every 3 years. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M Received: 2/22/08 2:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At night, I have a clear view from the back of my house of 4 gov buildings, all with every single light turned on, 24 hours a day. Bet they keep it nice and toasty too. Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic wrote: And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Brian, Wow! 62 and 64 is going above and beyond the call! The gov't in Canada had tv ads that suggested you turn your t-stat to 68 and put on a sweater, and you're well beyond that! I don't understand this obsession with surgical cleanliness that people seem to have nowadays. Anti-bacterial this, and daisy fresh that. What a load of shit. Especially when you get some desk jockey whose most strenuous moment of the day is lifting his/her coffee cup and they have a shower in the morning and when they get home...or at the gym. (that one I understand) As for truckers, whenever I got some idiot being aggressive behind me I would bide my time until we reached a big hill or two. Then, as we approached the hill I would lift of the pedal and slow down without touching my brakes. He'd have no choice but to back off and it takes him a lot longer to get going again than it does me! This was only done when actual idiots were at the wheel, flashing their lights before they even got close, or riding inches from my rear bumper. In Ontario, trucks are not allowed in the passing lane. (Left lane) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1293 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 9:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery
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To be honest, I don't care that they leave the lights on, I'd just rather they didn't tell me what to do with mine. I'm paying for both after all, as well as the cleaning staff. ;-) Come to think of it, as we pick up the tab for everything the gov does, you'd think they would speak to us a little nicer at times. :-) Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another consideration is that most of these huge buildings do have skelaton crews and cleaning crews at night. Pete -- Original message -- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not saying it's so with the buildings you look at but from working in industry, I can safely say that once a building reaches a certain size it gets cheaper to leave things on 24/7. Heat gets cheaper because assuming the roof is the same height, multiplying the sq feet by 4 only increases the radiated surfaces per sq foot by 85% For example. a 1 cu ft space has 5 sq ft of area, not counting the bottom. Set 4 out isolated from each other and you have 20 sq ft of surface area (5*4). Now, set up a 1*4*4 space up and you have 17 sq ft of surface area. Multiply by 4 again to 1*8*8* and your surface area per sq foot increases by only 85% again. The numbers get even better for if the area grows three dimensionally. Giving the cost and the load on the utility companies to re-heat a building in the morning, it gets much more economical to leave the thermostat set as is. Lights are another economic decision. Flourescent lights burn out from being started in a large office building, the cost to keep them on is generally less than the cost of buying bulbs more frequently paying a maintenance man to replace them as they burn out. I worked for GTE many years ago and our building covered 17 acres. Maintenence discovered that it was cheaper to leave the lights on 24/7 and to go through change out all of the bulbs ballasts every 3 years. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M Received: 2/22/08 2:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At night, I have a clear view from the back of my house of 4 gov buildings, all with every single light turned on, 24 hours a day. Bet they keep it nice and toasty too. Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic wrote: And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Brian, Wow! 62 and 64 is going above and beyond the call! The gov't in Canada had tv ads that suggested you turn your t-stat to 68 and put on a sweater, and you're well beyond that! I don't understand this obsession with surgical cleanliness that people seem to have nowadays. Anti-bacterial this, and daisy fresh that. What a load of shit. Especially when you get some desk jockey whose most strenuous moment of the day is lifting his/her coffee cup and they have a shower in the morning and when they get home...or at the gym. (that one I understand) As for truckers, whenever I got some idiot being aggressive behind me I would bide my time until we reached a big hill or two. Then, as we approached the hill I would lift of the pedal and slow down without touching my brakes. He'd have no choice but to back off and it takes him a lot longer to get going again than it does me! This was only done when actual idiots were at the wheel, flashing their lights before they even got close, or riding inches from my rear bumper. In Ontario, trucks are not allowed in the passing lane. (Left lane) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1293 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 9:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list
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I think a similar formula applies to ship building too. Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying it's so with the buildings you look at but from working in industry, I can safely say that once a building reaches a certain size it gets cheaper to leave things on 24/7. Heat gets cheaper because assuming the roof is the same height, multiplying the sq feet by 4 only increases the radiated surfaces per sq foot by 85% For example. a 1 cu ft space has 5 sq ft of area, not counting the bottom. Set 4 out isolated from each other and you have 20 sq ft of surface area (5*4). Now, set up a 1*4*4 space up and you have 17 sq ft of surface area. Multiply by 4 again to 1*8*8* and your surface area per sq foot increases by only 85% again. The numbers get even better for if the area grows three dimensionally. Giving the cost and the load on the utility companies to re-heat a building in the morning, it gets much more economical to leave the thermostat set as is. Lights are another economic decision. Flourescent lights burn out from being started in a large office building, the cost to keep them on is generally less than the cost of buying bulbs more frequently paying a maintenance man to replace them as they burn out. I worked for GTE many years ago and our building covered 17 acres. Maintenence discovered that it was cheaper to leave the lights on 24/7 and to go through change out all of the bulbs ballasts every 3 years. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/22/08 2:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At night, I have a clear view from the back of my house of 4 gov buildings, all with every single light turned on, 24 hours a day. Bet they keep it nice and toasty too. Ed 300E On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Brian, Wow! 62 and 64 is going above and beyond the call! The gov't in Canada had tv ads that suggested you turn your t-stat to 68 and put on a sweater, and you're well beyond that! I don't understand this obsession with surgical cleanliness that people seem to have nowadays. Anti-bacterial this, and daisy fresh that. What a load of shit. Especially when you get some desk jockey whose most strenuous moment of the day is lifting his/her coffee cup and they have a shower in the morning and when they get home...or at the gym. (that one I understand) As for truckers, whenever I got some idiot being aggressive behind me I would bide my time until we reached a big hill or two. Then, as we approached the hill I would lift of the pedal and slow down without touching my brakes. He'd have no choice but to back off and it takes him a lot longer to get going again than it does me! This was only done when actual idiots were at the wheel, flashing their lights before they even got close, or riding inches from my rear bumper. In Ontario, trucks are not allowed in the passing lane. (Left lane) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1293 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 9:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yea, I just love the rolling roadblock. You get one truck trying to pass another truck for like 10 miles uphill. Geez dude, give up and get back over so the 20 cars behind you can move on. Zoltan Finks wrote: Well, I'm sure you're probably correct about this. On the other hand, I am almost constantly disappointed in the lack of professionalism displayed by the drivers of big rigs (and city and school buses for that matter). It often seems to be a matter of bullying. Yes, truckers have to stand up for their rights and not allow themselves to be inconvenienced by inconsiderate cars, but I often see pushy driving by truckers too. Often this takes the form of tailgating you in the left lane as you try to pass the car in the right lane. So you have to downshift - get over it - you have no right to tailgate. And when you're piloting multiple more tons than the passenger car, I believe your responsibility is pretty grave and you ought to act accordingly or find another line of work. I recall one day on the interstate when I was speeding (yes, believe it or not). And I went to go around a semi, and another semi proceeded to block my way without any reason. Then the two of them created a rolling roadblock for me. I can only assume they took me for the typical clueless driver screwing around and not respecting them. Had I better tires and more power (non-turbo SAAB) I would have nailed it and passed on the shoulder. I'd like to get my hands on these two idiots and see how tough they are on two feet. Brian Phillip wrote: Every truck driver out there would agree with you. If you have ever driven in a big truck and seen the quantity of stupidity demonstrated by the drivers of cars, you realize that the lack of safety is usually the cars. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I keep ours 68 during the day in the winter, 62 at night and when nobody is home, program thermostat. In the summer, used to keep it 78 when people home, but I think I dropped it to 76. 82 during the day when nobody here. At night have it set to drop to something like 72. Heard somewhere its cooler at night so easier for the system to drop the temp overnight, then the next day its already cooled way down so the unit does not have to hardly run at all on the warmup to the 82 daytime set. Zoltan Finks wrote: Without delving too deeply, I can just say that I'm surprised how warm most people keep their homes and businesses. For cat's sake, turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater! I am so stiflingly hot and uncomfortable in many peoples' homes. We keep ours at 62 when I'm home alone and 64 when the wife is here. And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. You'd think diesel exhaust would kill some smell receptors, but I don't know. (My MB content) Brian One of you guys wrote: Well here's your chance to change your wasteful lifestyle and be the first on your block! Convince your family and friends to modify their lifestyles too! Go ahead! I dare you!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh yea, as to showers, I take one every month weather I need it or not :) Jeff Zedic wrote: And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. Brian, Wow! 62 and 64 is going above and beyond the call! The gov't in Canada had tv ads that suggested you turn your t-stat to 68 and put on a sweater, and you're well beyond that! I don't understand this obsession with surgical cleanliness that people seem to have nowadays. Anti-bacterial this, and daisy fresh that. What a load of shit. Especially when you get some desk jockey whose most strenuous moment of the day is lifting his/her coffee cup and they have a shower in the morning and when they get home...or at the gym. (that one I understand) As for truckers, whenever I got some idiot being aggressive behind me I would bide my time until we reached a big hill or two. Then, as we approached the hill I would lift of the pedal and slow down without touching my brakes. He'd have no choice but to back off and it takes him a lot longer to get going again than it does me! This was only done when actual idiots were at the wheel, flashing their lights before they even got close, or riding inches from my rear bumper. In Ontario, trucks are not allowed in the passing lane. (Left lane) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well hell, for that matter, just weeks after 911, it stayed down around 79 a gallon here for a while, then stabilized at between 89 and 99 for months. Luther wrote: At my 29 years, I've seen gas as low as $0.69 during the mid to late 90s. Luther On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:29:19 -0600, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan wrote: Lowest price I clearly remember as a kid was $0.79/gal for regular. As recently as the mid 1990s I could buy gas for $0.97 - $0.99 near Joliet IL there were two stations there that were always in a price war it seemed. When I first started driving, gas was $.74/gal. I drive a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I remember one time, I didn't know if I could make it home and only had 52 cents in the ashtray. I pulled into a station that offered a 4 cent discount on gas if bought paid cash. So, I put in 56 cents and brought my 52 cents to the register. The guy was laughing at me and told me the discount was only good if you bought a whole gallon. He gave me a break and didn't beat the other four pennies out of me. Donald H. Snook -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well yea, the enterprise has to leave its warp engines running all the time, because it takes a long time to fire them up. Why Im sure you all remember the problem Scotty had when he needed to start them up quick. Good thing Al Gore was not in charge. E M wrote: I think a similar formula applies to ship building too. Ed 300E -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Insert banned type comment here. Gas hasn't been under $1 in New England since I got out of high school in '94. -Curt Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:01:55 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well hell, for that matter, just weeks after 911, it stayed down around 79 a gallon here for a while, then stabilized at between 89 and 99 for months. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: At my 29 years, I've seen gas as low as $0.69 during the mid to late 90s. I miss 1998. It was a good time to not have any money but still drive a 450SEL, as premium was never over a dollar for the year or so that I owned it. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know how much crude was at the time. Didn't follow that back then, and I only know nowadays because it's all over the news due to its all-time high price. Interesting about the tax added to diesel. So without it, diesel would have been even cheaper in relation to gas than it was? Clearly if this tax is still in place it needs to be looked at. Heck, you would have thought back in the 80s when Benz was cranking out diesel powered automobiles, a stink would have been raised over this tax. Well, maybe it wasn't raised because the price was not a problem and it was, after all, still cheaper than gas. I do agree with the concept that the more damage a vehicle does to the road, the more its operator should pay in road tax. But I haven't fully thought the issue through in terms of: Goods have to get shipped, and we all need/want them, so why penalize those in the business of shipping them? I do know that when I see a tractor trailer on the road around my house, I sorta cringe at the wear they are putting on the road. (and I cringe for a couple other reasons) I guess as someone who spends a lot of time on a bicycle, the road edge is important to me. Truth told, I think that in this age of crisis in terms of oil and environment and road congestion, (yes the last one IS a crisis!), folks who opt to drive vehicles that are considerably larger than they need ought to be made to contribute more somehow. I guess if your vehicle registration or tax is weight-based, that's something, but I don't suspect it's enough. So I say let's repeal the tax on diesel fuel. And let's levy a tax on, at least, those who drive full sized pickup trucks and SUVs and cannot prove they have an actual need to do so. I know this would add a layer of bureaucracy, but I'd still be for it. As for penalizing trucking companies, I don't know - maybe just if they drive through town? Actually, I'd love it if there could be a separate highway system for freight trucks. Safety would be hugely improved and the truckers could go about throwing their weight around among themselves instead of trying to intimidate passenger car drivers (broad generalization - yes). I know - totally unfeasible to accomplish. I'm just saying. Brian On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, And when gas was $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 per gallon, the price of crude oil was how much a barrel? But it's not just the price of crude oil. The cost of labor construction materials has more than doubled since the 70s. Diesel is higher than regular gas because of a tax that was added onto diesel in the early 80s. Back then, the interstate system was in serious financial trouble and the government was trying to find a way to fund repairs new construction. They analyzed traffic and discovered that truckers their loads were responsible for more than 80% of the wear on the interstate road system. They needed a tax that was tied directly to road usage and an additional tax on diesel fuel made perfect since because back then over 99% of all on road diesel was burned by truckers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. That's only a few cents above what it's been here in Oregon for months now. I think we have some of the highest fuel prices in the continental U.S. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi+, Ursula, 28-30MPG Hwy at 65MPH, and a bit less at 75MPH ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008
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Aren't drivers of large vehicles paying more fuel tax/mile? Be careful what you wish for or you might find yourself driving a A class and paying three times as much for fuel to fund the separate highway system for heavy vehicles. Hendrik Zoltan Finks wrote: I don't know how much crude was at the time. Didn't follow that back then, and I only know nowadays because it's all over the news due to its all-time high price. Interesting about the tax added to diesel. So without it, diesel would have been even cheaper in relation to gas than it was? Clearly if this tax is still in place it needs to be looked at. Heck, you would have thought back in the 80s when Benz was cranking out diesel powered automobiles, a stink would have been raised over this tax. Well, maybe it wasn't raised because the price was not a problem and it was, after all, still cheaper than gas. I do agree with the concept that the more damage a vehicle does to the road, the more its operator should pay in road tax. But I haven't fully thought the issue through in terms of: Goods have to get shipped, and we all need/want them, so why penalize those in the business of shipping them? I do know that when I see a tractor trailer on the road around my house, I sorta cringe at the wear they are putting on the road. (and I cringe for a couple other reasons) I guess as someone who spends a lot of time on a bicycle, the road edge is important to me. Truth told, I think that in this age of crisis in terms of oil and environment and road congestion, (yes the last one IS a crisis!), folks who opt to drive vehicles that are considerably larger than they need ought to be made to contribute more somehow. I guess if your vehicle registration or tax is weight-based, that's something, but I don't suspect it's enough. So I say let's repeal the tax on diesel fuel. And let's levy a tax on, at least, those who drive full sized pickup trucks and SUVs and cannot prove they have an actual need to do so. I know this would add a layer of bureaucracy, but I'd still be for it. As for penalizing trucking companies, I don't know - maybe just if they drive through town? Actually, I'd love it if there could be a separate highway system for freight trucks. Safety would be hugely improved and the truckers could go about throwing their weight around among themselves instead of trying to intimidate passenger car drivers (broad generalization - yes). I know - totally unfeasible to accomplish. I'm just saying. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I paid $.0139 during the Gas Wars in Connecticut, about 1959 or so. They pumped it too! Some stations had young ladies in bathing suits pumping gas and handing out glasses and such. Pete -- Original message -- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can remember my grandfather carping about $0.23 regular and him giving me a blast for driving that krautwagon (my '72 220D)that used $0.32 diesel fuel. This was in '76-'77. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alan wrote: Lowest price I clearly remember as a kid was $0.79/gal for regular. As recently as the mid 1990s I could buy gas for $0.97 - $0.99 near Joliet IL there were two stations there that were always in a price war it seemed. When I first started driving, gas was $.74/gal. I drive a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I remember one time, I didn't know if I could make it home and only had 52 cents in the ashtray. I pulled into a station that offered a 4 cent discount on gas if bought paid cash. So, I put in 56 cents and brought my 52 cents to the register. The guy was laughing at me and told me the discount was only good if you bought a whole gallon. He gave me a break and didn't beat the other four pennies out of me. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, I'd love it if there could be a separate highway system for freight trucks. They've got it. It's called the railroad. It really p***es me off that it's been largely let go to seed. With that working correctly, and smaller last-mile delivery trucks, we'd have a very efficient (in terms of fuel) system that would be a lot easier on roads. And companies with high I/O needs would again, as before, cluster along RR lines to avoid the need for that last delivery. Humph. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: They've got it. It's called the railroad. It really p***es me off that it's been largely let go to seed. With that working correctly, and smaller last-mile delivery trucks, we'd have a very efficient (in terms of fuel) system that would be a lot easier on roads. And companies with high I/O needs would again, as before, cluster along RR lines to avoid the need for that last delivery. Humph. The railroads actually seem to be making a comeback. Lots of them are expanding and upgrading their tracks(double tracks and upgrading to higher speed corners in downtown ($$$) areas). The folks at Trains magazine are also commenting on the increase in business. Most of them say it is coming from the saturated highway system. They have many years of neglect to recover from though. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree, it has always puzzled me why there's so many big bloody trucks about when it's much more efficient to ship via rail! Someone on this list responded a couple of years ago when I ranted about this, that the problem was the railways following the current business idealcorner the market and sodomise the client. Because of this the trucking industry filled the gap and we have the silly mess we have now. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i boughtmy first diesel about a decade ago. fuel was 70 cents a gallon at the truck stop on I85 in doraville, GA. fuel prices are going to wreck us On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounds pretty good, diesel has been 3.69 to 3.89 all winter here in WA On Feb 20, 2008 7:21 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jeff Zedic wrote: I agree, it has always puzzled me why there's so many big bloody trucks about when it's much more efficient to ship via rail! Someone on this list responded a couple of years ago when I ranted about this, that the problem was the railways following the current business idealcorner the market and sodomise the client. Because of this the trucking industry filled the gap and we have the silly mess we have now. It looks like they are finally realizing that they need to have a marketing sales department!! I think they've also started to improve their turnaround time. IE, drop off to pick up time. I think I remember reading that it takes trucks 3 days to bring freight across the country, but rail was 4 or 5 days since it had to sit in a rail yard for about a day at both the source and destination. In todays market where people spend millions of dollars to minimize their inventory on hand, when they need to meet demand they need it to be met quickly. Rail is finally starting to work on that! :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In today's market where people spend millions of dollars to minimize their inventory on hand, when they need to meet demand they need it to be met quickly. Rail is finally starting to work on that! :) And why the big push for JIT versus inventory? In part, because they're taxed on inventory! Your government tax dollars at work! Taxation: helping to wreck the roads every day. Don't worry, we'll tax you to help fix the roads too! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The railroads actually seem to be making a comeback. True, and there's no better proof of the fact than that Warren Buffett's been loading up on Burlington Northern stock. Man knows an infrastructure trend when he sees one if anybody does. Of course, I'm not giving anyone investment advice here. ;) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember taking the train as a kid and young teen many times, over driving or flying. I find flying now, on those 4-5 hour flights are just a pain and wast of time. You spend more time in customs at either end, than you do in the air. There was a real romance about boarding a train. I often took the old Turbo between Toronto and Montreal, and if felt very much like boarding the Concorde of trains. The seating would rival any First Class airplane ticket at the time, and you would walk around, sit up in the 747 type engine where there was a bar. Snack bar was very cool, and the best part, they had a microwave!! They'd reheat a hotdog or hamburger, bun already on. Sure, it was all soggy, and so hot it melted the plastic to the bun, but it was amazing all the same. The cars were all joined, without the usual doors between each car, just one long articulated tube. It was fast, smooth, and very modern at the time. It had it's problems, and was pulled out of service, but it was pretty cool at the time. It's replacement was more conventional and reliable, but felt like a big step back. Much like we have given up the Concorde to ride double decker buses in the sky. Am I the only one bored with the offerings of the past 30 years? Oh, the good old days. OMG, did I just say that? Guess I'm now officially old. hee hee. Ed 300E ps. regular is $1.10 per litre here today. I find I get similar mileage if I drive slow or fast, so I opt for fast. ;-) On 21/02/2008, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: They've got it. It's called the railroad. It really p***es me off that it's been largely let go to seed. With that working correctly, and smaller last-mile delivery trucks, we'd have a very efficient (in terms of fuel) system that would be a lot easier on roads. And companies with high I/O needs would again, as before, cluster along RR lines to avoid the need for that last delivery. Humph. The railroads actually seem to be making a comeback. Lots of them are expanding and upgrading their tracks(double tracks and upgrading to higher speed corners in downtown ($$$) areas). The folks at Trains magazine are also commenting on the increase in business. Most of them say it is coming from the saturated highway system. They have many years of neglect to recover from though. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree with you Ed. I really enjoy the trains...especially now that I live in a country where the actually HAVE trains to use. In October we went to Paris on the TGV. Talk about smooth! Like a baby's bum at 320 km/hr! Even changed tracks at that speed! Apparently the French have a prototype rail based train that can do 580 km/hr! Woohoo!! Meanwhile, back here in the boonies, I take the GO train and it rattles and hums at a whopping 100-110 km/hryawn...chunky, clunky and painfully slow... Hopefully when the price of fuel rises some more, people will realise that the short-sighted designs of our cities will make us pay! hahaha, I can't wait! It's also better to get off the train and be in the city centrenot 50 km away. And I don't mind lugging my luggage on and off instead of having to wait in the terminal for ages. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, I'd love it if there could be a separate highway system for freight trucks. They've got it. It's called the railroad. It really p***es me off that it's been largely let go to seed. With that working correctly, and smaller last-mile delivery trucks, we'd have a very efficient (in terms of fuel) system that would be a lot easier on roads. And companies with high I/O needs would again, as before, cluster along RR lines to avoid the need for that last delivery. Humph. -- Jim Problem is that the RRs are a series of monopolies. If you want to ship your freight or semi full of freight to many places, you have the choice of only one railroad company and you have to pay their price. Nationalizing the railroads probably wouldn't work but nationalizing the tracks (just like the interstate system is nationalized) might work. That way, you'd have numerous startups and established companies running to the same places, and the market (competition) would keep the prices within reason. I've seen articles outlining how this could be done using a traffic control system similar to air traffic control. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy, you have to rethink your views on Al Gore. I suggest you view Inconvenient Truth if you haven't already done so. If you have, then there is no real hope for a rapid conversion. P.S. It's perfectly OK to drive old diesels and be a Gore supporter. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much coverage you folks get of Canadian news (none? - USA is a bit introverted in many ways) but British Columbia provincial government just introduced a carbon tax. They will tax all sorts of fuel for vehicles, heating etc. I guess they think that it is green to tax further in order to save the planet. If this sort of thing carries on, I'm gonna need to move to a warmer climate as it is a bit much to expect a poor old bu**er like me to freeze in the dark just to save the world for my non-existent (at this stage anyway) grandchilren. One would think that ownership of a real old MB diesel would be sufficient evidence of my good enviromental wishes without looking for ways to tax me to reinforce Al Gore's message, but then, governments of all stripes do love to tax us. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel HA! At least one thing is cheaper in D.C. ($3.49/gal for diesel at last sighting) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I paid $.0139 during the Gas Wars in Connecticut, about 1959 or so. They pumped it too! Some stations had young ladies in bathing suits pumping gas and handing out glasses and such. Pete 1.4 cents per gallon ?! I think you misplaced the decimal. *smile* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It seems than at Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:38:57 -0800, Zoltan wrote: I don't know how much crude was at the time. Didn't follow that back then, and I only know nowadays because it's all over the news due to its all-time high price. Interesting about the tax added to diesel. So without it, diesel would have been even cheaper in relation to gas than it was? Clearly if this tax is still in place it needs to be looked at. Heck, you would have thought back in the 80s when Benz was cranking out diesel powered automobiles, a stink would have been raised over this tax. Well, maybe it wasn't raised because the price was not a problem and it was, after all, still cheaper than gas. Even when MB and VW and BMW and GM were all selling lots of diesel cars, the quantity of diesel used by cars was a _lot_ less than big trucks. It still is. Lets figure a ordinary solo driver will log 2500 miles (4025 km) per week. A typical truck could achive 6.25 mi/gal (2.65 l/km) This results in 400 (1500 l) gallons per week. In my 240D, it would take me 6 months to use the same quantity of fuel the truck uses every week. Thus my usage and tax is just a drop in the bucket. Actually, I'd love it if there could be a separate highway system for freight trucks. Safety would be hugely improved and the truckers could go about throwing their weight around among themselves instead of trying to intimidate passenger car drivers (broad generalization - yes). I know - totally unfeasible to accomplish. I'm just saying. Brian Every truck driver out there would agree with you. If you have ever driven in a big truck and seen the quantity of stupidity demonstrated by the drivers of cars, you realize that the lack of safety is usually the cars. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid $.0139 during the Gas Wars in Connecticut, about 1959 or so. They pumped it too! Some stations had young ladies in bathing suits pumping gas and handing out glasses and such. Pete 1.4 cents per gallon ?! I think you misplaced the decimal. *smile* He was too busy noticing the young ladies, obviously. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Right! It was $.139/gallon. Talk nice about those chicks, they're somone's Grandma now! Pete -- Original message -- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Fmiser wrote: I paid $.0139 during the Gas Wars in Connecticut, about 1959 or so. They pumped it too! Some stations had young ladies in bathing suits pumping gas and handing out glasses and such. Pete 1.4 cents per gallon ?! I think you misplaced the decimal. *smile* He was too busy noticing the young ladies, obviously. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It seems than at Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:43:50 +1030, Hendrik wrote: Aren't drivers of large vehicles paying more fuel tax/mile? Hendrik Yes. Most states only have part of the road tax for cargo transport added to the fuel. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Might as well rent that new movie by that Michael Moore guy about the great health care in Cuba too, you'll want to move there and totally eliminate your carbon footprint. Maybe Al can fly you there in his jet. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Randy, you have to rethink your views on Al Gore. I suggest you view Inconvenient Truth if you haven't already done so. If you have, then there is no real hope for a rapid conversion. P.S. It's perfectly OK to drive old diesels and be a Gore supporter. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much coverage you folks get of Canadian news (none? - USA is a bit introverted in many ways) but British Columbia provincial government just introduced a carbon tax. They will tax all sorts of fuel for vehicles, heating etc. I guess they think that it is green to tax further in order to save the planet. If this sort of thing carries on, I'm gonna need to move to a warmer climate as it is a bit much to expect a poor old bu**er like me to freeze in the dark just to save the world for my non-existent (at this stage anyway) grandchilren. One would think that ownership of a real old MB diesel would be sufficient evidence of my good enviromental wishes without looking for ways to tax me to reinforce Al Gore's message, but then, governments of all stripes do love to tax us. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel HA! At least one thing is cheaper in D.C. ($3.49/gal for diesel at last sighting) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree, it has always puzzled me why there's so many big bloody trucks about when it's much more efficient to ship via rail! Zedic Time. A truck can get a load from one coast to the other in 5-8 days. Every time, any destination. The railroad takes longer, and if it's not a major market at each end it is even longer. Boats and barges are still the most efficient use of fuel - but they are even slower and more route restricted than rail! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He talks the talk but he does not appear to be living the green life. I consider Gore to be an opportunist trying to take advantage of the hype that he is stirring up. I think we do have issues that need to be addressed but taxing the you know what out of us is hardly the answer. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Randy, you have to rethink your views on Al Gore. I suggest you view Inconvenient Truth if you haven't already done so. If you have, then there is no real hope for a rapid conversion. P.S. It's perfectly OK to drive old diesels and be a Gore supporter. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much coverage you folks get of Canadian news (none? - USA is a bit introverted in many ways) but British Columbia provincial government just introduced a carbon tax. They will tax all sorts of fuel for vehicles, heating etc. I guess they think that it is green to tax further in order to save the planet. If this sort of thing carries on, I'm gonna need to move to a warmer climate as it is a bit much to expect a poor old bu**er like me to freeze in the dark just to save the world for my non-existent (at this stage anyway) grandchilren. One would think that ownership of a real old MB diesel would be sufficient evidence of my good enviromental wishes without looking for ways to tax me to reinforce Al Gore's message, but then, governments of all stripes do love to tax us. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel HA! At least one thing is cheaper in D.C. ($3.49/gal for diesel at last sighting) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think we do have issues that need to be addressed but taxing the you know what out of us is hardly the answer. Randy Well here's your chance to change your wasteful lifestyle and be the first on your block! Convince your family and friends to modify their lifestyles too! Go ahead! I dare you!! People seem to be waiting for a leader to show them what to do.why?? It's not rocket science. Why not make a change just because you can? The one thing that will make people modify their behaviour is to increase the cost of doing it! They simply refuse to do it otherwise...guess we haven't evolved all that much Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jeff Zedic wrote: The one thing that will make people modify their behaviour is to increase the cost of doing it! They simply refuse to do it otherwise...guess we haven't evolved all that much You can also make the alternative cheaper. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew S. wrote: Randy, you have to rethink your views on Al Gore. I suggest you view Inconvenient Truth if you haven't already done so. If you have, then there is no real hope for a rapid conversion. Well, I did view it and it was exactly what I expected - horseshit! Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald, Do you doubt that there's any truth to this horseshit? Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So far what has amazed me about the alernatives is how many of these companies seem to see no way to make money with new technologies?? Any alternative will hurt the economy Nonsense, what simpleton horseshit that is! Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Phillip wrote: A truck can get a load from one coast to the other in 5-8 days. Every time, any destination. The railroad takes longer, and if it's not a major market at each end it is even longer. I agree with that, except it is a lot safer to have that cargo on the trains - at least safer for those cars on the interstate. I also agree that a lot of the safety problems associated with trucks are not the fault of the truckers, but rather the morons who don't know how to drive. BUT, just having more and more big trucks on the roads increases the chances of accidents. And accidents involving two cars are a lot less deadly to the other vehicles, than accidents involving 18 wheelers. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy wisely wrote: He talks the talk but he does not appear to be living the green life. I consider Gore to be an opportunist trying to take advantage of the hype that he is stirring up. I think we do have issues that need to be addressed but taxing the you know what out of us is hardly the answer. Amen to that! Well said. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I fail to see how further taxing is going to do anything but line the governments pockets R A Bennell wrote: I don't know how much coverage you folks get of Canadian news (none? - USA is a bit introverted in many ways) but British Columbia provincial government just introduced a carbon tax. They will tax all sorts of fuel for vehicles, heating etc. I guess they think that it is green to tax further in order to save the planet. If this sort of thing carries on, I'm gonna need to move to a warmer climate as it is a bit much to expect a poor old bu**er like me to freeze in the dark just to save the world for my non-existent (at this stage anyway) grandchilren. One would think that ownership of a real old MB diesel would be sufficient evidence of my good enviromental wishes without looking for ways to tax me to reinforce Al Gore's message, but then, governments of all stripes do love to tax us. Randy -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Time and money. Considering that the goods have to be shifted from factory to rail head and then at the other end from rail head to final destination. Easier and more likely cheaper to just have a truck take the goods from A to B. There are systems in place where the whole trailer is put onto rail and they just have to hook up a semi, perhaps a Mercedes semi (for a bit of MB content). Hendrik Fmiser wrote: I agree, it has always puzzled me why there's so many big bloody trucks about when it's much more efficient to ship via rail! Zedic Time. A truck can get a load from one coast to the other in 5-8 days. Every time, any destination. The railroad takes longer, and if it's not a major market at each end it is even longer. Boats and barges are still the most efficient use of fuel - but they are even slower and more route restricted than rail! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zedic wrote: Do you doubt that there's any truth to this horseshit? That is the magic of Al Gore and his movement. He weaves the tiniest little slice of truth into all of the other crap, and then acts self righteous when his critics point out that a lot of what he has alleged is a) not true or b)speculation at best c) contrary to how he lives his own life. Global warming is real - to what extent - is another story. Is it man made? I am not sure it all is. Does it actually affect us? Not sure about that either. Does Al Gore want to profit from his gloom and doom prophesy which is yet to be shown the least bit accurate? THAT is one of the few things I am certain about. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, I wasn't asking about Gore...to me he's unimportant. I was more concerned with what your thoughts are about the phenomenon. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thankyou. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Randy wisely wrote: He talks the talk but he does not appear to be living the green life. I consider Gore to be an opportunist trying to take advantage of the hype that he is stirring up. I think we do have issues that need to be addressed but taxing the you know what out of us is hardly the answer. Amen to that! Well said. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So we have $.20/gallon in the 1930's and $.23 in the mid 1960's. I sure wish fuel prices had stayed on that track. In the mid 1970's I had a grey market Alfa GTV with dual Webbers. I was getting 45 mpg at 70 mph on the highway and I can't recall the in-town mileage. I lived on the NW side of Indianapolis and worked a couple of days a week on the East side. I was averaging $2.50 a week for fuel, though if you counted repair and maintenance costs that didn't matter as much as it should have. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/21/08 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel I remember my sister paying a dollar for five gallons of gas during the 1930s. This was for the first car in the family; a 1928 Oakland which had wooden spoke wheels, a cloth top, and a rumble seat. The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. Some stations would keep the cylinder full and dispense it between the gallon marks. One day we heard a loud boom and the house windows rattled. A fellow who was putting gas in the tank of a model T Ford at the station across the street was standing over the tank which was under the front seat. When he lit a cigarette the gas exploded and blew him out of the car. That was on Market Street in New Albany, Indiana. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bill, Just wondering... How much were you earning in the mid 70's? Take care, Chuck On Feb 21, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Bill R wrote: So we have $.20/gallon in the 1930's and $.23 in the mid 1960's. I sure wish fuel prices had stayed on that track. In the mid 1970's I had a grey market Alfa GTV with dual Webbers. I was getting 45 mpg at 70 mph on the highway and I can't recall the in-town mileage. I lived on the NW side of Indianapolis and worked a couple of days a week on the East side. I was averaging $2.50 a week for fuel, though if you counted repair and maintenance costs that didn't matter as much as it should have. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/21/08 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel I remember my sister paying a dollar for five gallons of gas during the 1930s. This was for the first car in the family; a 1928 Oakland which had wooden spoke wheels, a cloth top, and a rumble seat. The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. Some stations would keep the cylinder full and dispense it between the gallon marks. One day we heard a loud boom and the house windows rattled. A fellow who was putting gas in the tank of a model T Ford at the station across the street was standing over the tank which was under the front seat. When he lit a cigarette the gas exploded and blew him out of the car. That was on Market Street in New Albany, Indiana. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why the big push for JIT versus inventory? In part, because they're taxed on inventory! Your government tax dollars at work! That is no doubt part of it, but also businesses woke up to the opportunity cost of having a lot of capital tied up in large inventories. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Let's remember as well that the JIT inventory idea came from a MUCH smaller country. I imagine it was easier to arrange shipping when the farthest distance between supplier and factory could only be 300 miles or so...(just guessing..I've no idea how big Japan is) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, I'm sure you're probably correct about this. On the other hand, I am almost constantly disappointed in the lack of professionalism displayed by the drivers of big rigs (and city and school buses for that matter). It often seems to be a matter of bullying. Yes, truckers have to stand up for their rights and not allow themselves to be inconvenienced by inconsiderate cars, but I often see pushy driving by truckers too. Often this takes the form of tailgating you in the left lane as you try to pass the car in the right lane. So you have to downshift - get over it - you have no right to tailgate. And when you're piloting multiple more tons than the passenger car, I believe your responsibility is pretty grave and you ought to act accordingly or find another line of work. I recall one day on the interstate when I was speeding (yes, believe it or not). And I went to go around a semi, and another semi proceeded to block my way without any reason. Then the two of them created a rolling roadblock for me. I can only assume they took me for the typical clueless driver screwing around and not respecting them. Had I better tires and more power (non-turbo SAAB) I would have nailed it and passed on the shoulder. I'd like to get my hands on these two idiots and see how tough they are on two feet. Brian Phillip wrote: Every truck driver out there would agree with you. If you have ever driven in a big truck and seen the quantity of stupidity demonstrated by the drivers of cars, you realize that the lack of safety is usually the cars. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Without delving too deeply, I can just say that I'm surprised how warm most people keep their homes and businesses. For cat's sake, turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater! I am so stiflingly hot and uncomfortable in many peoples' homes. We keep ours at 62 when I'm home alone and 64 when the wife is here. And another thing: I don't think people should take more than one shower a day. Heck I don't even take one a day. Isn't it shocking? I am willing to deal with the increase in body odor I'd have to endure from the general public. Heck, I'd rather smell that than bad breath, and It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of people have that problem. I think I have a very effective nose or something. It's a curse. You'd think diesel exhaust would kill some smell receptors, but I don't know. (My MB content) Brian One of you guys wrote: Well here's your chance to change your wasteful lifestyle and be the first on your block! Convince your family and friends to modify their lifestyles too! Go ahead! I dare you!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. I am thinking next time, I have to take a long trip for work, I am going to rent a car. 17 on the highway in my Expedition hurts Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:12:02 -0600 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. Ours went up a few days ago. 3.039 for regular and 3.529 for diesel. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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light crude hit $100 yesterday, up $4. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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sounds pretty good, diesel has been 3.69 to 3.89 all winter here in WA On Feb 20, 2008 7:21 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, that is because that refinery blew up, and oil is over 100 a barrel again. Donald Snook wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. I am thinking next time, I have to take a long trip for work, I am going to rent a car. 17 on the highway in my Expedition hurts Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HA! At least one thing is cheaper in D.C. ($3.49/gal for diesel at last sighting) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know how much coverage you folks get of Canadian news (none? - USA is a bit introverted in many ways) but British Columbia provincial government just introduced a carbon tax. They will tax all sorts of fuel for vehicles, heating etc. I guess they think that it is green to tax further in order to save the planet. If this sort of thing carries on, I'm gonna need to move to a warmer climate as it is a bit much to expect a poor old bu**er like me to freeze in the dark just to save the world for my non-existent (at this stage anyway) grandchilren. One would think that ownership of a real old MB diesel would be sufficient evidence of my good enviromental wishes without looking for ways to tax me to reinforce Al Gore's message, but then, governments of all stripes do love to tax us. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel HA! At least one thing is cheaper in D.C. ($3.49/gal for diesel at last sighting) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed today, $3.599 for diesel. Last I filled a few weeks ago was $3.349. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:10:51 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Jim Cathey wrote: Refinery fire the other day in Texas (?). Talking head said that it was actually a pretty small refinery, but that the market would probably react disproportionately. I'm sure gas prices shot up in speculation, not due to any actual shortage in supply. What I like is when the price of crude jumps in response to a reduced ability to refine it. Totally bassackwards, but that's the way it always seems to go. The senseless jumps in crude are usually shortable, april contracts are back down to 98.55 already. $1450 a contract for going short at $100 isn't a huge gain, but it makes a nice day's pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. That's only a few cents above what it's been here in Oregon for months now. I think we have some of the highest fuel prices in the continental U.S. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi+, Ursula, 28-30MPG Hwy at 65MPH, and a bit less at 75MPH ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. That's only a few cents above what it's been here in Oregon for months now. I think we have some of the highest fuel prices in the continental U.S. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi+, Ursula, 28-30MPG Hwy at 65MPH, and a bit less at 75MPH ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. In a way it makes sense for fuel to be priced proportional to its energy content per gallon/liter, if all else were equal. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian, And when gas was $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 per gallon, the price of crude oil was how much a barrel? But it's not just the price of crude oil. The cost of labor construction materials has more than doubled since the 70s. Diesel is higher than regular gas because of a tax that was added onto diesel in the early 80s. Back then, the interstate system was in serious financial trouble and the government was trying to find a way to fund repairs new construction. They analyzed traffic and discovered that truckers their loads were responsible for more than 80% of the wear on the interstate road system. They needed a tax that was tied directly to road usage and an additional tax on diesel fuel made perfect since because back then over 99% of all on road diesel was burned by truckers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. That's only a few cents above what it's been here in Oregon for months now. I think we have some of the highest fuel prices in the continental U.S. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi+, Ursula, 28-30MPG Hwy at 65MPH, and a bit less at 75MPH ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can remember my grandfather carping about $0.23 regular and him giving me a blast for driving that krautwagon (my '72 220D)that used $0.32 diesel fuel. This was in '76-'77. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:36:29 -0700 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:12:02 -0600 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gas and diesel shot up this morning here in Wichita. I would guess it did the same thing everywhere. Regular unleaded 3.09 premium 3.29 and diesel is 3.39. Ours went up a few days ago. 3.039 for regular and 3.529 for diesel. That was a spread of 49 cents. But ours went up again today: 3.139 for regular and 3.679 for diesel, which is a spread of 54 cents. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:00:24 -0800 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 I remember driving through Wyoming with my new '72 220D/8 and filling up at $ 0.199/gallon. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
When my buddies and I would go around driving after the ball games in high school, we would all throw in 50cents and stop at the gas station, put a goodly amount in the tank (say $2 would get 8gal or so), and whoever drove would have enough to last a good part of the week. The one who usually drove had a Rambler with (if I recall) a 327 in it, quite a sleeper. There was a motorhead kid who put a Corvette engine in his Rambler, had cut-outs on the pipes, and would go roaring in front of school and downshift and make one hell of a racket, we all knew who it was. Another guy had a Corvair, one day about 9AM he gets called out of class, his car parked a block or so away was on fire and burning up. Cops, fire trucks, school officials, the whole deal turned out. He was freaked out.. Turns out he had left a roach in the ashtray that morning, and it smoldered an hour or so before conflagrating. The dope he lost was probably worth more than the car, that really bummed him, and he thought he was going to get busted when they tried to figure out why the car caught fire. He had a hose rigged up to a bottle of whiskey in the front trunk too, so you could take a hit off it while driving, but no containers visible. He got a job at Mac's Diner to make some money to buy another car (and held off on his fledgling pharmaceutical business for awhile), we would go by there on our drives, order a cheeseburger and coke, and he would give us a grocery sack full of burgers fries drinks pies, whatever was on the shelf. Burgers cost about what a gallon of gas cost (see, all that story closes well!). I think he ran for mayor or president or something. --R Robert Rentfro wrote: I can remember my grandfather carping about $0.23 regular and him giving me a blast for driving that krautwagon (my '72 220D)that used $0.32 diesel fuel. This was in '76-'77. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
I remember my sister paying a dollar for five gallons of gas during the 1930s. This was for the first car in the family; a 1928 Oakland which had wooden spoke wheels, a cloth top, and a rumble seat. The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. Some stations would keep the cylinder full and dispense it between the gallon marks. One day we heard a loud boom and the house windows rattled. A fellow who was putting gas in the tank of a model T Ford at the station across the street was standing over the tank which was under the front seat. When he lit a cigarette the gas exploded and blew him out of the car. That was on Market Street in New Albany, Indiana. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, if $.38 is the lowest you remember you are still a kid on this list. I remember paying $.23 on a car I was driving. Ocala, FL, and had to be 1966. BillR -Original Message- From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/20/08 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel At 07:00 PM 2/20/2008, you wrote: Yes, 3.79 here for the frothy stuff. I still think overall the government or some evil entity in power is trying to counteract the benefits diesel drivers get in fuel mileage. With what looks like diesel popularity increasing faster than ever (talk of Subaru diesels and Honda diesels and the like) I bet the price differential in fuel will stay or increase. Brian longing for the days when gas was like $.97 per gallon and diesel about $.85 Hi, All. Though not the oldest on the list. I can remember when, in 70-71 at the Getty station that I ran, premium gas was 38 cents and received many complaints that the price was 2 cents too high! My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. Some As..le Fumble fingered high I.Q. Type Mekanique, replaced the delivery valve seals and left 2 of them loose. (20nm, loosen, 20nm, loosen, 35nm, e viola) Many thanks to our dear departed Doctor Professor Booth! Fred Moir Older than dirt. Dieselitis Maximus 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent 87 190DT responding to treatment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
Lowest price I clearly remember as a kid was $0.79/gal for regular. As recently as the mid 1990s I could buy gas for $0.97 - $0.99 near Joliet IL there were two stations there that were always in a price war it seemed. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
My latest acquisition is now running on 5 cylinders. 5 outta 5 ain't bad! At least it wasn't a head gasket as you had originally thought. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi+, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whoa look at the price of fuel
The filling station across the street had gravity flow pumps. The attendant would hand pump the amount of gas you wanted into a glass cylinder at the top of the pump which was marked off in gallons, and then it would drain by gravity through the hose and into your tank. The graduated glass cylinder was one way the customer could be sure he was getting what he paid for. I pumped many a tank out of one of these we had at the barn. Held 10 gallons, usually we'd only pump a few into the tractor. Rusty beat-up old thing from my grandpa's service station. (Had another stored in the barn.) It could be seen (just) from the road, occasionally a stranger would drive in and ask if they could buy it. Never sold it, any modern replacement would require power to pump. It's still there, but decommissioned due to in-ground tank leaks. Now they use a surface tank with a cheap nasty barrel pump on it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
