Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Or Something
welcome to the world of small people in small jobs who think a badge makes them special. But of course you knew how this would go that since you'd been talking to the sheriff and his deputy about this kind of situation. ;-) it's a shame you were getting hungry - it could have turned out very interesting! Maybe you should have asked if they'd share their dozen Krispie Kreme donuts with you? So the cell phone lady never stopped talking even as she slid upside down? What a macaroon, as /Foghorn Leghorn/ used to say. Cartoon characters are such astute observers. It must be the same with cell phone users as with drunk drivers never being hurt as often as their victims. Sorry I am only now responding to your story Rich - for some reason Thunderbird decided you and your MBZ posts belong in my Junk folder... LarryT 91 300D On 5/16/2013 1:08 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: A coupla weeks ago some woman managed to run off the right side of the road, then cross a median and 4 lanes and end up greasy side up in a ditch, going backwards, on the other side of the road, just a bit down from me. I was going to the grocery to get something, it was like 6:30PM. On the way back I pulled off to the side and got out to take a coupla pictures (this relates to ongoing road issues I agitate about). 2 deputies were there kinda watching things, nothing else going on. One of them comes to me, a young one, and once he finishes his personal conversation on his cell phone, tells me I can't take a picture. I point out I am in a public place, the car is in a public place, it is in plain sight, and yes I can take a picture. Then he gets up in my face and starts in on me about that, says this is a crime scene. So I ask, hmmm, what crime has been committed? So then he tells me that they opened an incident number on it. Uh, yeah, I can imagine you would do that, but that still doesn't tell me why I can't take a picture. So then he asks me if I want to get a picture of the blood in the car, and I say no, just the whole thing there. Then he says well there is blood in it and I am not letting you get a picture of that. I tell him all I can see is the bottom of the car since it is in the ditch which is like 4ft deep, and this goes on. SO then I say let's go ask the other deputy, who is older and fat. We go there and he gets all bent about the idea of me taking a picture and tells me I am interfering with a crime scene. I asked him again what crime was involved, he tells me they have an incident number. Duh. At this point I was getting kinda hungry so decided just to let it be. If it had been earlier I would have pushed it to see what they would do, if they would actually try to arrest me on some stupid pretense. I have the occasional conversation with the Sheriff about this road stuff, and with his #2, so that would have been fun to follow up. The next day I go over to the farm stand, in the front of which this car ended up(side down), and talk to the owner who tells me the woman driving was still yapping on her cell phone when she climbed out of the car. Go figure. I am still trying to figure out if near-terminal stupidity is the actual crime that occurred, though it should be. --R On 5/15/13 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: You don't videorecord me. The Supreme Court disagrees, and I'm recording you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Or Something
Thunderbird has been hijacked by the IRS! --R On 5/19/13 11:38 AM, Larry T wrote: Sorry I am only now responding to your story Rich - for some reason Thunderbird decided you and your MBZ posts belong in my Junk folder... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] best chain saw
On 15/05/2013 6:42 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I don't WILL very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily to being ordered about. I bristle when somebody says, You WILL do this, or you WILL do that. Actually, that's the BEST way to get me NOT to do it. Wilton Wait a minute here. Were you not career military? Is that not what it means to be career military - accept commands from higher ups? And what about the wife - is she not SWMBO? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Thought somebody'd latch onto that. There's a big difference between being ordered about by some egotistical, ranting, a$$ and following the LAWFUL orders of a military superior. In my 22 years of active duty in the US Air Force, I was never ordered about in a tyrannical manner by anyone, and I never ordered about anyone else in such a manner. I understood the national and Air Force policies and the mission at hand and did whatever necessary to carry out those policies and to accomplish the mission. In fact, I received very few verbal/oral orders. I was never in a situation that required such ordering about. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw On 15/05/2013 6:42 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I don't WILL very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily to being ordered about. I bristle when somebody says, You WILL do this, or you WILL do that. Actually, that's the BEST way to get me NOT to do it. Wilton Wait a minute here. Were you not career military? Is that not what it means to be career military - accept commands from higher ups? And what about the wife - is she not SWMBO? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Or Something
A coupla weeks ago some woman managed to run off the right side of the road, then cross a median and 4 lanes and end up greasy side up in a ditch, going backwards, on the other side of the road, just a bit down from me. I was going to the grocery to get something, it was like 6:30PM. On the way back I pulled off to the side and got out to take a coupla pictures (this relates to ongoing road issues I agitate about). 2 deputies were there kinda watching things, nothing else going on. One of them comes to me, a young one, and once he finishes his personal conversation on his cell phone, tells me I can't take a picture. I point out I am in a public place, the car is in a public place, it is in plain sight, and yes I can take a picture. Then he gets up in my face and starts in on me about that, says this is a crime scene. So I ask, hmmm, what crime has been committed? So then he tells me that they opened an incident number on it. Uh, yeah, I can imagine you would do that, but that still doesn't tell me why I can't take a picture. So then he asks me if I want to get a picture of the blood in the car, and I say no, just the whole thing there. Then he says well there is blood in it and I am not letting you get a picture of that. I tell him all I can see is the bottom of the car since it is in the ditch which is like 4ft deep, and this goes on. SO then I say let's go ask the other deputy, who is older and fat. We go there and he gets all bent about the idea of me taking a picture and tells me I am interfering with a crime scene. I asked him again what crime was involved, he tells me they have an incident number. Duh. At this point I was getting kinda hungry so decided just to let it be. If it had been earlier I would have pushed it to see what they would do, if they would actually try to arrest me on some stupid pretense. I have the occasional conversation with the Sheriff about this road stuff, and with his #2, so that would have been fun to follow up. The next day I go over to the farm stand, in the front of which this car ended up(side down), and talk to the owner who tells me the woman driving was still yapping on her cell phone when she climbed out of the car. Go figure. I am still trying to figure out if near-terminal stupidity is the actual crime that occurred, though it should be. --R On 5/15/13 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: You don't videorecord me. The Supreme Court disagrees, and I'm recording you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am still trying to figure out if near-terminal stupidity is the actual crime that occurred, though it should be. --R On the part of the deputies, or the driver or both/all? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: On 15/05/2013 6:42 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I don't WILL very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily to being ordered about. I bristle when somebody says, You WILL do this, or you WILL do that. Actually, that's the BEST way to get me NOT to do it. Wilton Wait a minute here. Were you not career military? Is that not what it means to be career military - accept commands from higher ups? I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll take E. All of the Above for $50 Bob. --R On 5/16/13 1:13 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I am still trying to figure out if near-terminal stupidity is the actual crime that occurred, though it should be. --R On the part of the deputies, or the driver or both/all? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. _ My experience in recent years is that the politzia think they are the ges tapo, with all the powers thereunto taken. (taken, not given, is deliberate on my part in writing, but also in their attitude) And yes, we are not their employers, but serfs in their attitude. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You sound like a 60s radical leftist. Would you like the police to ask permission in order to arrest bad guys? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. _ My experience in recent years is that the politzia think they are the ges tapo, with all the powers thereunto taken. (taken, not given, is deliberate on my part in writing, but also in their attitude) And yes, we are not their employers, but serfs in their attitude. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 16/05/2013 12:18 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: On 15/05/2013 6:42 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I don't WILL very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily to being ordered about. I bristle when somebody says, You WILL do this, or you WILL do that. Actually, that's the BEST way to get me NOT to do it. Wilton Wait a minute here. Were you not career military? Is that not what it means to be career military - accept commands from higher ups? I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. ___ Well, I think you missed the point of my little jest. Wilton said he did not take kindly to orders and I said, orders seem to me to be the normal thing in the military. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The problem is that the police appear to enjoy harrassing the normal folks but not all that anxious to do anything much about the bad guys. Randy On 16/05/2013 1:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You sound like a 60s radical leftist. Would you like the police to ask permission in order to arrest bad guys? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. _ My experience in recent years is that the politzia think they are the ges tapo, with all the powers thereunto taken. (taken, not given, is deliberate on my part in writing, but also in their attitude) And yes, we are not their employers, but serfs in their attitude. __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not you, Randy. My remark was directed to the guy who is always whining about his rights being trampled by law enforcement types. (Dieselhead?) On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The problem is that the police appear to enjoy harrassing the normal folks but not all that anxious to do anything much about the bad guys. Randy On 16/05/2013 1:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You sound like a 60s radical leftist. Would you like the police to ask permission in order to arrest bad guys? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. _ My experience in recent years is that the politzia think they are the ges tapo, with all the powers thereunto taken. (taken, not given, is deliberate on my part in writing, but also in their attitude) And yes, we are not their employers, but serfs in their attitude. ___ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey Andrew, do you work for the IRS? I have an application I need someone to look over. --R On 5/16/13 2:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You sound like a 60s radical leftist. Would you like the police to ask permission in order to arrest bad guys? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. _ My experience in recent years is that the politzia think they are the ges tapo, with all the powers thereunto taken. (taken, not given, is deliberate on my part in writing, but also in their attitude) And yes, we are not their employers, but serfs in their attitude. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What does this have to do with chain saws? Serously, I can't understand how anyone could construe the teabagger movement as anything but apolitical. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hey Andrew, do you work for the IRS? I have an application I need someone to look over. --R On 5/16/13 2:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You sound like a 60s radical leftist. Would you like the police to ask permission in order to arrest bad guys? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. _ My experience in recent years is that the politzia think they are the ges tapo, with all the powers thereunto taken. (taken, not given, is deliberate on my part in writing, but also in their attitude) And yes, we are not their employers, but serfs in their attitude. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a new group I am establishing, Chainsaw Patriots for Afternoon Tea Parties in the Conservatory, figured I could get a quick review on my 501c4 app. Could you help? --R On 5/16/13 2:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What does this have to do with chain saws? Serously, I can't understand how anyone could construe the teabagger movement as anything but apolitical. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hey Andrew, do you work for the IRS? I have an application I need someone to look over. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The problem is that the police appear to enjoy harrassing the normal folks but not all that anxious to do anything much about the bad guys. Randy Bingo! Randy Wins! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ordered about - my meaning of such is to be ordered in an egotistical, tyrannical, etc., manner. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw On 16/05/2013 12:18 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: On 15/05/2013 6:42 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I don't WILL very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily to being ordered about. I bristle when somebody says, You WILL do this, or you WILL do that. Actually, that's the BEST way to get me NOT to do it. Wilton Wait a minute here. Were you not career military? Is that not what it means to be career military - accept commands from higher ups? I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. ___ Well, I think you missed the point of my little jest. Wilton said he did not take kindly to orders and I said, orders seem to me to be the normal thing in the military. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Several unrelated subjects in the best chain saw thread, now. 'Not even about chain saws any more, is it? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw What does this have to do with chain saws? Serously, I can't understand how anyone could construe the teabagger movement as anything but apolitical. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hey Andrew, do you work for the IRS? I have an application I need someone to look over. --R On 5/16/13 2:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You sound like a 60s radical leftist. Would you like the police to ask permission in order to arrest bad guys? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I see Wilton already answered, but I was going to say Col Strickland isn't likely to take much shit from a 20 year old bald dude with a bad attitude. Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian and being from the States, but we here like to pretend we still live in a free country, where our 'civil servants' are our employees, not our 'higher ups'. Of course, 90% of our 'civil servants' (and I'm not just talking about the cops, the ones without police authority are usually much worse) know better, and they go to great lengths to make us mere serfs grovel before their awesomeness. Mitch. _ My experience in recent years is that the politzia think they are the ges tapo, with all the powers thereunto taken. (taken, not given, is deliberate on my part in writing, but also in their attitude) And yes, we are not their employers, but serfs in their attitude. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew sez: What does this have to do with chain saws? Serously, I can't understand how anyone could construe the teabagger movement as anything but apolitical. There I think you stumbled into the truth. Most tea party people ARE apolitical, but they understand the Decalration, the constitution and the Bill of rights, and most know a little about the founding Principles. They know the D are socialist/marxist and the R are socialists, and tea party people dont trust either. The one tea party gig I went to, several state legislators came in and asked to be heard, and they were politely ushered away. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: In a tight modern house you need a source of makeup air, this should not be leaving a window open, thats silly. If the house is that tight, it shouldn't have natural draft appliances in it (furnace, water heater). Otherwise, you'll backdraft CO into the house when you turn on the dryer , bathroom vent, or range hood. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: In a tight modern house you need a source of makeup air, this should not be leaving a window open, thats silly. If the house is that tight, it shouldn't have natural draft appliances in it (furnace, water heater). Otherwise, you'll backdraft CO into the house when you turn on the dryer , bathroom vent, or range hood. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I won't argue with you on that point. Our house was built in 1981 and the fireplace is not a true fireplace. It is one of the zero cleance metal boxes with an insulated metal chimney inside a chase that looks a bit like a fireplace from the outside. There were better models available even then but the builder did not offer it and I was not quick enough to realize I needed the better one then. I had never lived in a house with a fireplace. We had wood stoves when I was still at home but not a fireplace. Replacement with the model that has an air intake would be more trouble than it is worth so we just carry on with what we have. If I were to replace it, I would likely either go with an electric unit which is a total fake or else a self contained gas fired unit that would permit me to remove the original fire box and chimney etc. It would just have a vent out the back rather than a vent to the roof. Randy On 14/05/2013 8:49 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You're right about the fireplace but yours is also built poorly. In a tight modern house you need a source of makeup air, this should not be leaving a window open, thats silly. There should be an air inlet just below the fireplace opening which allows outside air in a controlled manner. There are loads of woodburning fireplace inserts which raise the terrible inefficiencies of the fireplace. The best, of course, is a real woodstove which sits into the room rather than trying to reflect heat into the room. -Curt My experience with a nice wood fireplace is that you lose more heat than you gain. We had one to start in our house and it was sort of nice to have a crackling fire with a bit of the smell of woodsmoke but we quickly realized we could not use it in really cold weather (when we most likely would have) because it sucked all of the heat out of the rest of the house. It was warm by the fire but not anywhere else. It made our furnace and hot water tank chimney back draft and that smelled awful in addition to being unhealthy and unsafe. We could only use the fireplace with the windows on either side of it open and that caused a cold draft that was not pleasant to sit in. So, after a while, we put in a gas insert. It looks nice and it is fast and easy but it is not the same so basically we don't use it. If it wouldn't be such a big mess, I would remove the whole thing. It's primary purpose now is to hold the mantle clock and the stockings at Christmas. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 15/05/2013 7:33 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: In a tight modern house you need a source of makeup air, this should not be leaving a window open, thats silly. If the house is that tight, it shouldn't have natural draft appliances in it (furnace, water heater). Otherwise, you'll backdraft CO into the house when you turn on the dryer , bathroom vent, or range hood. Mitch. ___ We have two air inlets. One feeds to the floor area near the gas furnaceto provide combustion air and the other feeds into the cold air return ducting. However, you are right that if we run too many fans at one time, we get issues. The gas fireplace has a pilot light and we will sometimes have to crack open a window near the fireplace as we get backdraft from the fireplace vent. I have considered putting in an air to air heat exchanger unit but retrofitting into a 2 storey house is not easy to do well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On May 15, 2013 9:36 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The gas fireplace has a pilot light and we will sometimes have to crack open a window near the fireplace as we get backdraft from the fireplace vent. I have considered putting in an air to air heat exchanger unit but retrofitting into a 2 storey house is not easy to do well. Dying of CO poisoning is easier? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Their sounds don't travel nearly as far as an oboxious piece of mechanized equipment that doesn't belong in wilderness.. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: On May 15, 2013 9:36 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The gas fireplace has a pilot light and we will sometimes have to crack open a window near the fireplace as we get backdraft from the fireplace vent. I have considered putting in an air to air heat exchanger unit but retrofitting into a 2 storey house is not easy to do well. Dying of CO poisoning is easier? They sell UL listed detectors made to warn you that you're dying from CO for around $20-40. $100-200 will get you one that doesn't meet UL standards, but actually tells you about the CO before it makes you sick. UL standards prohibit it from alerting to low levels of CO. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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True, but they travel in herds for moral support, so you have to multiply the sound factor; whereas, a manly man with a chainsaw might be out there all by himself raping and pillaging Mother Gaia. --R On 5/15/13 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Their sounds don't travel nearly as far as an oboxious piece of mechanized equipment that doesn't belong in wilderness.. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And the right wingers don't organize and travel in packs?? And make loud noises? On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: True, but they travel in herds for moral support, so you have to multiply the sound factor; whereas, a manly man with a chainsaw might be out there all by himself raping and pillaging Mother Gaia. --R On 5/15/13 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Their sounds don't travel nearly as far as an oboxious piece of mechanized equipment that doesn't belong in wilderness.. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my island, a friend of mine organized the event, but did not get nekkid, which was probably A Good Thing. They did not make much noise but apparently the po-pos did. http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208 Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R On 5/15/13 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And the right wingers don't organize and travel in packs?? And make loud noises? On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: True, but they travel in herds for moral support, so you have to multiply the sound factor; whereas, a manly man with a chainsaw might be out there all by himself raping and pillaging Mother Gaia. --R On 5/15/13 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Their sounds don't travel nearly as far as an oboxious piece of mechanized equipment that doesn't belong in wilderness.. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich, is that you there in the ---, or are you the one with the white butt? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my island, a friend of mine organized the event, but did not get nekkid, which was probably A Good Thing. They did not make much noise but apparently the po-pos did. http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208 Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R On 5/15/13 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And the right wingers don't organize and travel in packs?? And make loud noises? On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: True, but they travel in herds for moral support, so you have to multiply the sound factor; whereas, a manly man with a chainsaw might be out there all by himself raping and pillaging Mother Gaia. --R On 5/15/13 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Their sounds don't travel nearly as far as an oboxious piece of mechanized equipment that doesn't belong in wilderness.. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 15/05/2013 11:56 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On May 15, 2013 9:36 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The gas fireplace has a pilot light and we will sometimes have to crack open a window near the fireplace as we get backdraft from the fireplace vent. I have considered putting in an air to air heat exchanger unit but retrofitting into a 2 storey house is not easy to do well. Dying of CO poisoning is easier? Alex ___ I hope not. We have a CO detector in the house near the bedroom and it has never gone off. We can usually smell it in the living room and open a window a bit to help the fireplace vent in the manner it is supposed to. Really only happens when there are a number of fans running. Sunday afternoons are good for that in the winter. My wife will have the dryer running and then maybe the exhaust hood over the stove. Flip on a bathroom fan or turn the kitchen hood up a notch and we will have the fireplace try to run backwards. Does not normally effect the vent from the furnace any more. That used to happen when we had a good fire in the old wood burning fireplace. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 15/05/2013 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my island, a friend of mine organized the event, but did not get nekkid, which was probably A Good Thing. They did not make much noise but apparently the po-pos did. http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208 Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R That is quite a tree. Anybody figure out why they all needed to be nekkid? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They explain it in the video - On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=HLvipGedfFQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R That is quite a tree. Anybody figure out why they all needed to be nekkid? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah well, there we go. I watched the video but without sound as I don't have any speakers connected to this computer in my office. The one policeman was quite the stereotypical jerk. Surely when he knows he is on camera, he could refrain from spitting on the ground? Randy On 15/05/2013 3:10 PM, OK Don wrote: They explain it in the video - On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=HLvipGedfFQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R That is quite a tree. Anybody figure out why they all needed to be nekkid? Randy _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ah well, there we go. I watched the video but without sound as I don't have any speakers connected to this computer in my office. The one policeman was quite the stereotypical jerk. Surely when he knows he is on camera, he could refrain from spitting on the ground? Randy True about the cop - I keep a pair of cheap headphones for just such occasions :-) The photographer explained that the clothed people around the tree is bland, makes no statement, etc.; while the nekkid people fit in nature with the tree, make the photo memorable, blah, blah, blah --- -- OK Don Who thinks there would be less obesity if there was more public nudity. There should be a law agianst forcing people to wear clothes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I inhabit a very different universe, free of inappropriate nekkid butts, pale or otherwise. You have my sympathy. Ry On May 15, 2013 3:41 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Rich, is that you there in the ---, or are you the one with the white butt? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my island, a friend of mine organized the event, but did not get nekkid, which was probably A Good Thing. They did not make much noise but apparently the po-pos did. http://www.**charlestoncitypaper.com/**charleston/first-look-the-** angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?**oid=3391208http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208 Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=HLvipGedfFQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R On 5/15/13 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And the right wingers don't organize and travel in packs?? And make loud noises? On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: True, but they travel in herds for moral support, so you have to multiply the sound factor; whereas, a manly man with a chainsaw might be out there all by himself raping and pillaging Mother Gaia. --R On 5/15/13 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Their sounds don't travel nearly as far as an oboxious piece of mechanized equipment that doesn't belong in wilderness.. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz. **comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman
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On 15/05/2013 3:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I inhabit a very different universe, free of inappropriate nekkid butts, pale or otherwise. You have my sympathy. I have seen some of the Washington DC folks on TV. Probably a good thing that most of them keep their clothing on in public. Randy who thinks the same about our folks who hang around Ottawa ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LOL.You got that right, although we are also one of the fittest cities in North America. I have started to jog again. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 15/05/2013 3:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I inhabit a very different universe, free of inappropriate nekkid butts, pale or otherwise. You have my sympathy. I have seen some of the Washington DC folks on TV. Probably a good thing that most of them keep their clothing on in public. Randy who thinks the same about our folks who hang around Ottawa __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What were police upset about in the video? Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw On 15/05/2013 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my island, a friend of mine organized the event, but did not get nekkid, which was probably A Good Thing. They did not make much noise but apparently the po-pos did. http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208 Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R That is quite a tree. Anybody figure out why they all needed to be nekkid? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Helps 'em commune with Nature. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ah well, there we go. I watched the video but without sound as I don't have any speakers connected to this computer in my office. The one policeman was quite the stereotypical jerk. Surely when he knows he is on camera, he could refrain from spitting on the ground? Randy True about the cop - I keep a pair of cheap headphones for just such occasions :-) The photographer explained that the clothed people around the tree is bland, makes no statement, etc.; while the nekkid people fit in nature with the tree, make the photo memorable, blah, blah, blah --- -- OK Don Who thinks there would be less obesity if there was more public nudity. There should be a law agianst forcing people to wear clothes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BTW, Rich, how old is the tree? Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw I inhabit a very different universe, free of inappropriate nekkid butts, pale or otherwise. You have my sympathy. Ry On May 15, 2013 3:41 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Rich, is that you there in the ---, or are you the one with the white butt? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my island, a friend of mine organized the event, but did not get nekkid, which was probably A Good Thing. They did not make much noise but apparently the po-pos did. http://www.**charlestoncitypaper.com/**charleston/first-look-the-** angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?**oid=3391208http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208 Here's a vid, I know one of the girls in there, maybe some others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=HLvipGedfFQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvipGedfFQ It is all quite tasty, er, tasteful. --R On 5/15/13 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And the right wingers don't organize and travel in packs?? And make loud noises? On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: True, but they travel in herds for moral support, so you have to multiply the sound factor; whereas, a manly man with a chainsaw might be out there all by himself raping and pillaging Mother Gaia. --R On 5/15/13 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Their sounds don't travel nearly as far as an oboxious piece of mechanized equipment that doesn't belong in wilderness.. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Better to hear the whines of liberal tree-huggers. --R On 5/15/13 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sounds good to me. What's the value of wilderness if you have to hear the whine of chain saws?? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz. **comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search
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Randy Bennell wrote: Ah well, there we go. I watched the video but without sound as I don't have any speakers connected to this computer in my office. The one policeman was quite the stereotypical jerk. Yep, I'm afraid I would have had words with him in the first 30 seconds. Barking orders and 'taking control' is one thing, giving orders that you have no legal authority to enforce is quite another. I would have had to pull out my phone and start recording him the instant he told the guy in the red shirt that he couldn't record him. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: What were police upset about in the video? 25 people getting nekkid to hug a tree. I read somewhere that the photographer was denied permission to do it at any time. Not when the park was open, not when the park was closed. Now I wonder if the cops were watching for him and waiting to pounce instead of responding to a citizen complaint. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They might not be nekkid but your local universe is full of a. --R On 5/15/13 4:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I inhabit a very different universe, free of inappropriate nekkid butts, pale or otherwise. You have my sympathy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So the plan or threat to get nekkid was enough for police to order them about? Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw WILTON wrote: What were police upset about in the video? 25 people getting nekkid to hug a tree. I read somewhere that the photographer was denied permission to do it at any time. Not when the park was open, not when the park was closed. Now I wonder if the cops were watching for him and waiting to pounce instead of responding to a citizen complaint. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: So the plan or threat to get nekkid was enough for police to order them about? Just minor evidence that we live in a police state. The major evidence is much more frightening. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I don't WILL very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily to being ordered about. I bristle when somebody says, You WILL do this, or you WILL do that. Actually, that's the BEST way to get me NOT to do it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw WILTON wrote: So the plan or threat to get nekkid was enough for police to order them about? Just minor evidence that we live in a police state. The major evidence is much more frightening. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I don't WILL very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily to being ordered about. I bristle when somebody says, You WILL do this, or you WILL do that. Actually, that's the BEST way to get me NOT to do it. You don't videorecord me. The Supreme Court disagrees, and I'm recording you. You WILL sit down and not walk away. You mean I'm under arrest? What for? Not under arrest, just detained. Since I'm not under arrest, goodbye. I don't think the voice of authority would have been able to deal with me calmly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 5/15/13 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And the right wingers don't organize and travel in packs?? And make loud noises? On May 15, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. I resemble that remark. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A good, well sharpened two man saw with the vertical handles and raker teeth can keep up with a gas powered chain saw. Much less dangerous, plus it builds team spirit to operate. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: thanks, Folks, THe best chainsaw that i ever had was an old Poulan pulpwooder's saw, i would call it. It was huge and had a big open bow for a bar. It was only for cutting up logs. You'd put the end of the bow up against the log and there was a casting clamped to bottom of the bow that you put under the log. You would then lift the motor end up and the bow would go deeper and deeper into the log. You could just cut logs on the ground. I think they are supposed to be incredibly dangerous. Are they even still made. I had mine back in the late 70's to mid 80's when i heated with wood. It was a bear to start or even to pick up, to drop while holding the starter cord to start it. I could do it fine from age 25 to 35, but i don't know about now, at nearly 59. Once running it was great and never would quit. I got the machine from my local chainsaw repair guy who would always sell me interesting saws that needed a little work. I think, that sadly, it was stolen at some point. Now all i have are a couple of barely used mass marketed Poulans maybe a 2150 and a 2300 with bars that are probably too long. They suck. I bought them for probably $5 or $10 each at yard sales. Once running, they are ok, but since much of my living is made cleaning carbs on motor scooters, i have little interest in cleaning chainsaw carbs. I usually start them with starting fluid for the little bit of cutting that i have to do, normally. Now i have a big tree that i had a crazy guy take down and need to cut up the limbs on the ground. xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, depending on your inclination and the strength of your back, a good bowsaw will cut a lot of wood as well. Sometimes called a Swede Saw. My father worked in the bush as a young man and cut a lot of wood before chain saws became readily available. I am not sure I would like to follow in his footsteps however. I prefer the chainsaw but try to be very careful. That is one of the reasons that I bought the new saw a couple of years ago. The new ones have safety features not seen on saws 30 years ago like the chain brake. I also bought a set of the chaps that are supposed to protect your legs. Randy On 14/05/2013 10:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: A good, well sharpened two man saw with the vertical handles and raker teeth can keep up with a gas powered chain saw. Much less dangerous, plus it builds team spirit to operate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan story: When I was 10 yeas old, we moved into a house that sat on an acre of lawn with an adjoining wooded plot that was around 7-8 acres. The house had a great room with a vaulted ceiling, and a fireplace made of stone that nearly filled one of the walls. Dad proclaimed when we moved in, I am going to have a fire every night in the winter. When fall came around he informed my older brother and I that we would now be spending our fall weekends felling trees and cutting timber for the fireplace. He went out into the woods with a can of spray paint and marked the trees he wanted us to cut down. So he comes home from work a few days later, having made a stop at Vonneguts, our local hardware store. Anticipation was high between my brother and I, thinking about all the fun we were going to have with a chain saw and the resulting damage we would do. Dad pulls into the garage, pops the trunk of his car, and pulls out An axe. An adze. Some wedges. (We are just about ready to burst at this point) .and a Tuttle Tooth Two Man Saw!!! Whaaa? Oh, and two new pair of leather work gloves. So my brother and I spent our October and November weekends felling trees with the axe and wedges, and cutting up the lumber with the Tuttle Tooth saw. I will say that if you have a couple of people who work together well, you can do some serious damage with a two man saw. I sold the saw just a year or two ago. It was as sharp as the day we got it. Dan who still doesn't have a chain saw, which is probably just as well On May 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: A good, well sharpened two man saw with the vertical handles and raker teeth can keep up with a gas powered chain saw. Much less dangerous, plus it builds team spirit to operate. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: thanks, Folks, THe best chainsaw that i ever had was an old Poulan pulpwooder's saw, i would call it. It was huge and had a big open bow for a bar. It was only for cutting up logs. You'd put the end of the bow up against the log and there was a casting clamped to bottom of the bow that you put under the log. You would then lift the motor end up and the bow would go deeper and deeper into the log. You could just cut logs on the ground. I think they are supposed to be incredibly dangerous. Are they even still made. I had mine back in the late 70's to mid 80's when i heated with wood. It was a bear to start or even to pick up, to drop while holding the starter cord to start it. I could do it fine from age 25 to 35, but i don't know about now, at nearly 59. Once running it was great and never would quit. I got the machine from my local chainsaw repair guy who would always sell me interesting saws that needed a little work. I think, that sadly, it was stolen at some point. Now all i have are a couple of barely used mass marketed Poulans maybe a 2150 and a 2300 with bars that are probably too long. They suck. I bought them for probably $5 or $10 each at yard sales. Once running, they are ok, but since much of my living is made cleaning carbs on motor scooters, i have little interest in cleaning chainsaw carbs. I usually start them with starting fluid for the little bit of cutting that i have to do, normally. Now i have a big tree that i had a crazy guy take down and need to cut up the limbs on the ground. xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good training! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Dan story: When I was 10 yeas old, we moved into a house that sat on an acre of lawn with an adjoining wooded plot that was around 7-8 acres. The house had a great room with a vaulted ceiling, and a fireplace made of stone that nearly filled one of the walls. Dad proclaimed when we moved in, I am going to have a fire every night in the winter. When fall came around he informed my older brother and I that we would now be spending our fall weekends felling trees and cutting timber for the fireplace. He went out into the woods with a can of spray paint and marked the trees he wanted us to cut down. So he comes home from work a few days later, having made a stop at Vonneguts, our local hardware store. Anticipation was high between my brother and I, thinking about all the fun we were going to have with a chain saw and the resulting damage we would do. Dad pulls into the garage, pops the trunk of his car, and pulls out An axe. An adze. Some wedges. (We are just about ready to burst at this point) .and a Tuttle Tooth Two Man Saw!!! Whaaa? Oh, and two new pair of leather work gloves. So my brother and I spent our October and November weekends felling trees with the axe and wedges, and cutting up the lumber with the Tuttle Tooth saw. I will say that if you have a couple of people who work together well, you can do some serious damage with a two man saw. I sold the saw just a year or two ago. It was as sharp as the day we got it. Dan who still doesn't have a chain saw, which is probably just as well On May 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: A good, well sharpened two man saw with the vertical handles and raker teeth can keep up with a gas powered chain saw. Much less dangerous, plus it builds team spirit to operate. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: thanks, Folks, THe best chainsaw that i ever had was an old Poulan pulpwooder's saw, i would call it. It was huge and had a big open bow for a bar. It was only for cutting up logs. You'd put the end of the bow up against the log and there was a casting clamped to bottom of the bow that you put under the log. You would then lift the motor end up and the bow would go deeper and deeper into the log. You could just cut logs on the ground. I think they are supposed to be incredibly dangerous. Are they even still made. I had mine back in the late 70's to mid 80's when i heated with wood. It was a bear to start or even to pick up, to drop while holding the starter cord to start it. I could do it fine from age 25 to 35, but i don't know about now, at nearly 59. Once running it was great and never would quit. I got the machine from my local chainsaw repair guy who would always sell me interesting saws that needed a little work. I think, that sadly, it was stolen at some point. Now all i have are a couple of barely used mass marketed Poulans maybe a 2150 and a 2300 with bars that are probably too long. They suck. I bought them for probably $5 or $10 each at yard sales. Once running, they are ok, but since much of my living is made cleaning carbs on motor scooters, i have little interest in cleaning chainsaw carbs. I usually start them with starting fluid for the little bit of cutting that i have to do, normally. Now i have a big tree that i had a crazy guy take down and need to cut up the limbs on the ground. xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
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Andrew -- a secret Amish --R On 5/14/13 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: A good, well sharpened two man saw with the vertical handles and raker teeth can keep up with a gas powered chain saw. Much less dangerous, plus it builds team spirit to operate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: A good, well sharpened two man saw with the vertical handles and raker teeth can keep up with a gas powered chain saw. Respectfully - no. If the logs are laid out, braced above the ground, and the cuts are just bucking - then a energetic pair could keep up with a slow chainsaw. But that's not how I use my chainsaws. I fell, limb, and buck. I have a medium large saw with an aggressive chain for the big cuts. It likely cuts a bit faster than a two-man crosscut when bucking with the log in an ideal setup. And it's way faster than a crosscut for felling and less than ideal bucking. The little chainsaw is used for limbing and smalling bucking. No saw or axe can compete for speed. The chainsaw also requires a lot less effort. So I can cut more wood in a given amount of time, and cut more wood before I tire. More wood is good. Sharpening a crosscut saw is not trivial. To do it right requires a more tools and a lot more skill than sharpening a chain. With either, touching the ground with the teeth is bad. But a chain can be field sharpened - or replaced. Trying to field sharpen a crosscut is generally a waste of effort and metal. Now, I like my crosscut saw, and I plan to keep it. But there is a reason the professional timber folks don't use crosscut saws except where the government forbids the use of a chainsaw. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My experience with a nice wood fireplace is that you lose more heat than you gain. We had one to start in our house and it was sort of nice to have a crackling fire with a bit of the smell of woodsmoke but we quickly realized we could not use it in really cold weather (when we most likely would have) because it sucked all of the heat out of the rest of the house. It was warm by the fire but not anywhere else. It made our furnace and hot water tank chimney back draft and that smelled awful in addition to being unhealthy and unsafe. We could only use the fireplace with the windows on either side of it open and that caused a cold draft that was not pleasant to sit in. So, after a while, we put in a gas insert. It looks nice and it is fast and easy but it is not the same so basically we don't use it. If it wouldn't be such a big mess, I would remove the whole thing. It's primary purpose now is to hold the mantle clock and the stockings at Christmas. Randy On 14/05/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Dan story: When I was 10 yeas old, we moved into a house that sat on an acre of lawn with an adjoining wooded plot that was around 7-8 acres. The house had a great room with a vaulted ceiling, and a fireplace made of stone that nearly filled one of the walls. Dad proclaimed when we moved in, I am going to have a fire every night in the winter. When fall came around he informed my older brother and I that we would now be spending our fall weekends felling trees and cutting timber for the fireplace. He went out into the woods with a can of spray paint and marked the trees he wanted us to cut down. So he comes home from work a few days later, having made a stop at Vonneguts, our local hardware store. Anticipation was high between my brother and I, thinking about all the fun we were going to have with a chain saw and the resulting damage we would do. Dad pulls into the garage, pops the trunk of his car, and pulls out An axe. An adze. Some wedges. (We are just about ready to burst at this point) .and a Tuttle Tooth Two Man Saw!!! Whaaa? Oh, and two new pair of leather work gloves. So my brother and I spent our October and November weekends felling trees with the axe and wedges, and cutting up the lumber with the Tuttle Tooth saw. I will say that if you have a couple of people who work together well, you can do some serious damage with a two man saw. I sold the saw just a year or two ago. It was as sharp as the day we got it. Dan who still doesn't have a chain saw, which is probably just as well ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On May 14, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a reason the professional timber folks don't use crosscut saws except where the government forbids the use of a chainsaw. Please don't give these nanny state ass-clowns running OSHA, EPA, etc. any more stupid ideas. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan - what did you use the adze for (other than snagging a nice score at Scrabble)? I was taught that the adze is an extremely dangerous tool, since you straddle the log while swinging the blade between your legs. One sideways deflection and it cuts into a leg. Andrew On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On May 14, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a reason the professional timber folks don't use crosscut saws except where the government forbids the use of a chainsaw. Please don't give these nanny state ass-clowns running OSHA, EPA, etc. any more stupid ideas. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Adze for logging? They were used to help build the Mayflower replica. Used by holding the butt end at crotch level and moving the cutting edge up and down in a controlled manner. A skilled artisan can give wood a smoother finish than a plane. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Dan - what did you use the adze for (other than snagging a nice score at Scrabble)? I was taught that the adze is an extremely dangerous tool, since you straddle the log while swinging the blade between your legs. One sideways deflection and it cuts into a leg. Andrew On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On May 14, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a reason the professional timber folks don't use crosscut saws except where the government forbids the use of a chainsaw. Please don't give these nanny state ass-clowns running OSHA, EPA, etc. any more stupid ideas. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What about a tyro? On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Adze for logging? They were used to help build the Mayflower replica. Used by holding the butt end at crotch level and moving the cutting edge up and down in a controlled manner. A skilled artisan can give wood a smoother finish than a plane. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Dan - what did you use the adze for (other than snagging a nice score at Scrabble)? I was taught that the adze is an extremely dangerous tool, since you straddle the log while swinging the blade between your legs. One sideways deflection and it cuts into a leg. Andrew On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On May 14, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a reason the professional timber folks don't use crosscut saws except where the government forbids the use of a chainsaw. Please don't give these nanny state ass-clowns running OSHA, EPA, etc. any more stupid ideas. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] best chain saw - operator age
At 01:12 AM 5/14/2013, Rick Hawkins wrote: THe best chainsaw that i ever had was an old Poulan pulpwooder's saw, (snip) It was a bear to start or even to pick up, to drop while holding the starter cord to start it. I could do it fine from age 25 to 35, but i don't know about now, at nearly 59. (snip) You are on to a basic truth about chain saws they don't mention in the sales literature - you need to consider your age. When I first went to reclaiming an old WV farm I was 41. I could work all day clearing fields. In the 1980's I used Homelite SXLs (and later a Stihl 042) with 20 bars. I sold 50 cords of firewood and several hundred fence posts each year in addition to rebuilding a house and barn. Neither my old tractor or truck had power steering. Septic system dug by hand, etc. All that sort of thing has changed now that I am 73. For example, my saws are Stihl 026s and next ones are going to be even smaller - probably the MS 201 C-E that has the wind up starter feature. I am not complaining. I am happy that I can still do the things I used to do, just not as much at one time. And I sure enjoy that nap after lunch. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV A man thinks as much with his legs and arms as his brain. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I started cutting wood with an old 40s vintage Mc Collough that weighed close to 30 lb. I was probably 12 or 14 then. At first the saw was almost as big as me. Cut a lot of oak firewood with that. Paid for my first car hauling firewood with a 47 chevy truck. Once you got the saw on the limb, it did the work. The work was in lifting the saw, splitting the wood and pitching it onto the trailer, then to the pile, then on the truck, and then off the truck and in most cases, stacking it at the customer's house. I cut two massive red oaks with a 16 Homelite Super 2. 32-36 at the felling cut. Each made 2 or 3 16 to 20' saw logs. Had all that sawed into 1x3s for tg flooring. I cut a couple of massive pines next to garages with a 12 stihl 24 dia logs. One made 5 8' sawlogs and the rest was firewood. The other made 4 or 5 sawlogs. Saws are a lot lighter and smaller now. I see no reason to have more than a 16 bar in most cases, unless you are using the saw daily. (or unless you have a really big maple tree you have to cut.) I was fortunate in that my scoutmaster was a forester. We learned a lot about woodsmanship and safe ways to work with knives, axes, saws and the proper way to plan how to drop a tree. I don't drop a lot of trees, but when I do, they go where I want, because I have studied the tree, terrain and always have a clear escape path. There is no reason to be frightened of a chainsaw. There is reason to understand it and respect the tool. Yes, they can be dangerous if you don't master and control the tool. I had a dufus neighbor who climbed up in a tree and cut his leg with the chainsaw and bled to death. Can you say Darwin? He was a slicker who thought he wanted to be a farmer. And Yes, I have hired a pro to take down a few troublesome trees. When you get a good one, it is amazing how fast and efficient they are. My guy used only saws, ropes and a guy on the ground. Just whistles or hand signals. No shouting. Asplunderers are butchers only good at clearing power company ROW. I like Stihl if you use it a lot. Poulans are ok for occasional use. An old homelite from the 70s or before is a good saw too. Super EZ or XL2. I think husky or jonseys are good, but never had one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Reminds me of how wood keeps you warm: Warms you when you cut it Warms you when you split it Warms you when you stack it Warms you when you haul it Warms you when you (finally) burn it. Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: Dan story: When I was 10 yeas old, we moved into a house that sat on an acre of lawn with an adjoining wooded plot that was around 7-8 acres. The house had a great room with a vaulted ceiling, and a fireplace made of stone that nearly filled one of the walls. Dad proclaimed when we moved in, I am going to have a fire every night in the winter. When fall came around he informed my older brother and I that we would now be spending our fall weekends felling trees and cutting timber for the fireplace. He went out into the woods with a can of spray paint and marked the trees he wanted us to cut down. So he comes home from work a few days later, having made a stop at Vonneguts, our local hardware store. Anticipation was high between my brother and I, thinking about all the fun we were going to have with a chain saw and the resulting damage we would do. Dad pulls into the garage, pops the trunk of his car, and pulls out An axe. An adze. Some wedges. (We are just about ready to burst at this point) .and a Tuttle Tooth Two Man Saw!!! Whaaa? Oh, and two new pair of leather work gloves. So my brother and I spent our October and November weekends felling trees with the axe and wedges, and cutting up the lumber with the Tuttle Tooth saw. I will say that if you have a couple of people who work together well, you can do some serious damage with a two man saw. I sold the saw just a year or two ago. It was as sharp as the day we got it. Dan who still doesn't have a chain saw, which is probably just as well On May 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: A good, well sharpened two man saw with the vertical handles and raker teeth can keep up with a gas powered chain saw. Much less dangerous, plus it builds team spirit to operate. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: thanks, Folks, THe best chainsaw that i ever had was an old Poulan pulpwooder's saw, i would call it. It was huge and had a big open bow for a bar. It was only for cutting up logs. You'd put the end of the bow up against the log and there was a casting clamped to bottom of the bow that you put under the log. You would then lift the motor end up and the bow would go deeper and deeper into the log. You could just cut logs on the ground. I think they are supposed to be incredibly dangerous. Are they even still made. I had mine back in the late 70's to mid 80's when i heated with wood. It was a bear to start or even to pick up, to drop while holding the starter cord to start it. I could do it fine from age 25 to 35, but i don't know about now, at nearly 59. Once running it was great and never would quit. I got the machine from my local chainsaw repair guy who would always sell me interesting saws that needed a little work. I think, that sadly, it was stolen at some point. Now all i have are a couple of barely used mass marketed Poulans maybe a 2150 and a 2300 with bars that are probably too long. They suck. I bought them for probably $5 or $10 each at yard sales. Once running, they are ok, but since much of my living is made cleaning carbs on motor scooters, i have little interest in cleaning chainsaw carbs. I usually start them with starting fluid for the little bit of cutting that i have to do, normally. Now i have a big tree that i had a crazy guy take down and need to cut up the limbs on the ground. xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
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Soprano in the making? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw What about a tyro? On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Adze for logging? They were used to help build the Mayflower replica. Used by holding the butt end at crotch level and moving the cutting edge up and down in a controlled manner. A skilled artisan can give wood a smoother finish than a plane. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You're right about the fireplace but yours is also built poorly. In a tight modern house you need a source of makeup air, this should not be leaving a window open, thats silly. There should be an air inlet just below the fireplace opening which allows outside air in a controlled manner. There are loads of woodburning fireplace inserts which raise the terrible inefficiencies of the fireplace. The best, of course, is a real woodstove which sits into the room rather than trying to reflect heat into the room. -Curt Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:56:05 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Message-ID: 519288c5.30...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My experience with a nice wood fireplace is that you lose more heat than you gain. We had one to start in our house and it was sort of nice to have a crackling fire with a bit of the smell of woodsmoke but we quickly realized we could not use it in really cold weather (when we most likely would have) because it sucked all of the heat out of the rest of the house. It was warm by the fire but not anywhere else. It made our furnace and hot water tank chimney back draft and that smelled awful in addition to being unhealthy and unsafe. We could only use the fireplace with the windows on either side of it open and that caused a cold draft that was not pleasant to sit in. So, after a while, we put in a gas insert. It looks nice and it is fast and easy but it is not the same so basically we don't use it. If it wouldn't be such a big mess, I would remove the whole thing. It's primary purpose now is to hold the mantle clock and the stockings at Christmas. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Where I've seen them forbidden its because of fire danger, not nanny state, or less because of nanny state anyway. -Curt Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:57:31 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw Message-ID: bay403-eas30206be8ce6834930fa163edd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On May 14, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a reason the professional timber folks don't use crosscut saws except where the government forbids the use of a chainsaw. Please don't give these nanny state ass-clowns running OSHA, EPA, etc. any more stupid ideas. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Where I've seen them forbidden its because of fire danger, not nanny state, or less because of nanny state anyway. -Curt If they'd sho ot Smokey da bear, and let fires burn naturally, they would not have such fire hazards. (big fan of controlled burns. Been doing it since before the term was invented) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On May 14, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a reason the professional timber folks don't use crosscut saws except where the government forbids the use of a chainsaw. Rick wrote: Please don't give these nanny state ass-clowns running OSHA, EPA, etc. any more stupid ideas. Too late. But it's location specific. Some of the national forests and other such places specifically don't allow chainsaws and motorized skidders. Crosscut saws, axes, and draft horses is how the timbering is done there. Crosscuts are still in use today in the United States primarily because the US Forest Service interprets the Wilderness Act to mean that they cannot use power tools in Wilderness Areas. They require their trail crews to use crosscut saws rather than chainsaws when working in designated wilderness. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosscut_saw#Crosscut_saws_vs._chainsaws -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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thanks, Folks, THe best chainsaw that i ever had was an old Poulan pulpwooder's saw, i would call it. It was huge and had a big open bow for a bar. It was only for cutting up logs. You'd put the end of the bow up against the log and there was a casting clamped to bottom of the bow that you put under the log. You would then lift the motor end up and the bow would go deeper and deeper into the log. You could just cut logs on the ground. I think they are supposed to be incredibly dangerous. Are they even still made. I had mine back in the late 70's to mid 80's when i heated with wood. It was a bear to start or even to pick up, to drop while holding the starter cord to start it. I could do it fine from age 25 to 35, but i don't know about now, at nearly 59. Once running it was great and never would quit. I got the machine from my local chainsaw repair guy who would always sell me interesting saws that needed a little work. I think, that sadly, it was stolen at some point. Now all i have are a couple of barely used mass marketed Poulans maybe a 2150 and a 2300 with bars that are probably too long. They suck. I bought them for probably $5 or $10 each at yard sales. Once running, they are ok, but since much of my living is made cleaning carbs on motor scooters, i have little interest in cleaning chainsaw carbs. I usually start them with starting fluid for the little bit of cutting that i have to do, normally. Now i have a big tree that i had a crazy guy take down and need to cut up the limbs on the ground. xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
