Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Curt Raymond]

Hmm, 1, 3 and 5 seem to have some relation...

I'm glad somebody saw what I was getting at too. You never know how far you 
have to spell something out.

What amazes me is that our president claims to be a "conservative" but then 
spends all this money so foolishly. He's not a fiscal conservative anyway...

-Curt

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 12:26 PM

On 7/17/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gitmo is technically American soil is it not?
>
>  I don't care if we kill them or send them home. I'm with you a
Military Tribunal should have been setup immediately in '03 (!) and these
guys should have been delt with immediately. Holding them for 5+ years to
"get further information" is TOTALLY unacceptable. Get 'em in,
decide their fate and get 'em out.
>
>  -Curt

There are so many benefits to processing them quickly:
1) Cost
2) Good will
3) Cost
4) Free up personel
5) Cost

The approach that was taken was pretty stupid in my opinion. Building
a big backlog of prisoners is a waste of resources.

-Jack


  
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Jack Dahlgren]

On 7/17/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gitmo is technically American soil is it not?
>
>  I don't care if we kill them or send them home. I'm with you a Military 
> Tribunal should have been setup immediately in '03 (!) and these guys should 
> have been delt with immediately. Holding them for 5+ years to "get further 
> information" is TOTALLY unacceptable. Get 'em in, decide their fate and get 
> 'em out.
>
>  -Curt

There are so many benefits to processing them quickly:
1) Cost
2) Good will
3) Cost
4) Free up personel
5) Cost

The approach that was taken was pretty stupid in my opinion. Building
a big backlog of prisoners is a waste of resources.

-Jack

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Curt Raymond]

Gitmo is technically American soil is it not?

I don't care if we kill them or send them home. I'm with you a Military 
Tribunal should have been setup immediately in '03 (!) and these guys should 
have been delt with immediately. Holding them for 5+ years to "get further 
information" is TOTALLY unacceptable. Get 'em in, decide their fate and get 'em 
out.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:18:46 -0400
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We were discussing GC in relation to Gitmo. As far as I am concerned
those are POW's and have right to a military tribunal at the *very*
least. They are all certainly wearing orange uniforms now aren't they?

-Rolf


  
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Curt Raymond]

Wait... Haven't we held some of these guys for years just for standing on the 
wrong street corner? Then we dump them back in Iraq and they're killed because 
people there assume they're bad guys or they assume they ratted out the bad 
guys.
Or we dump them back home and their house has been taken over and they've got 
no money and so they become crimials or insergents.

The US, making friends every way we can...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:53:40 -0500
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Again, you are applying the constitution to people not under the 
constitution.  These are not kids who stole a candy bar.  They are 
people who were in essence shooting at our troops, be it literally or 
figuratively, in building, transporting or setting IEDs, or 
whatever.  In the term  of recorded history those types are held at 
least until the end of hostilities.  No trials are needed.  Many 
times they are executed, on the spot or later, and seldom with a 
trial.   Again, read your history.  If they were a uniformed army, 
they would be called POWS.  In this case they are not POWs.  No 
country in history has held trails for every POW captured.

In any case, they certainly are not granted the right of trial in US 
courts.  A military trial, in some cases, but never in the US court system.


  
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

Either they are treated under the GC and have a right to a military
tribunal *OR* we are holding them against their will as citizens of
Iraq. Against US law, against Cuban law and against Iraqi law.

-Rolf

Loren Faeth wrote:
> Again, you are applying the constitution to people not under the 
> constitution.  These are not kids who stole a candy bar.  They are 
> people who were in essence shooting at our troops, be it literally or 
> figuratively, in building, transporting or setting IEDs, or 
> whatever.  In the term  of recorded history those types are held at 
> least until the end of hostilities.  No trials are needed.  Many 
> times they are executed, on the spot or later, and seldom with a 
> trial.   Again, read your history.  If they were a uniformed army, 
> they would be called POWS.  In this case they are not POWs.  No 
> country in history has held trails for every POW captured.
>
> In any case, they certainly are not granted the right of trial in US 
> courts.  A military trial, in some cases, but never in the US court system.
>
> At 09:18 AM 7/17/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> Loren Faeth wrote:
>> 
>>> TE, Your underlying assumption is that the scumbags at gitmo are not
>>> treated well enough.  Show the evidence.  and don't repeat
>>> unsubstantiated blog stories.
>>>   
>> I could care less about creature comforts... thats a totally different
>> issue.  We are talking about what our country has defined as the right
>> to a speedy trial.  They are being denied that right, and for all
>> intents and purposes were being held indefinitely (hopefully they will
>> have trials now).
>>
>> Now before you go saying that I'm a terrorist and want to set them all
>> free that isn't the case at all.  I am all for a fair trial to prove
>> them guilty WITH EVIDENCE and dole out whatever punishment the court
>> deems necessary.  I imagine there will be quite a few death row sentences.
>>
>> In my opinion, our judicial system was built on the idea that ten guilty
>> people go free before one innocent person goes to jail.  It seems to me
>> that you think no guilty person goes free no matter how many innocents
>> go to jail.
>>
>> Innocent until proven guilty.
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[R A Bennell]

I should think that the base is deemed to be US property and as such, the rules 
that apply in the continental US
should apply there to.

The usual view is that it is better to let the guilty go free than to punish 
the innocent. That is why there is a
presumption of innocence and the criminal standard is normally "beyond a 
reasonable doubt".

I'm not so sure that "most of the world" does it the other way. I would think 
that a very large part of the
civilized world is based upon the English common law system and applies a 
pretty common standard.

Unfortunately, there are regimes that vary the rules for political power but 
surely we do not wish to be one of
them.

Randy

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   The constitution invokes the "innocent until proven guilty" for US
citizens.  We generously extend it to foreigners in the US
legally.  It does not apply outside the US jurisdiction.It has no
relationship to the vacationers at club gitmo.  They are there for
the duration, unless a prisoner exchange is negotiated.  Such an
exchange is impossible in this case, as there is no government to
negotiate with.

At 09:43 AM 7/17/2008, you wrote:

>  -- Original message --
>
> >
> > Innocent until proven guilty.
> >
> > John
> >
>I would have to agree, our constitution guarantee's us that right,
>to be considered "Innocent until proven Guilty"
>
>However, MOST of the world uses a system of Napoleonic Justice which
>simply put is "Guilty until proven Innocent"
>
>I think I am swayed to do onto my enemy as he would do onto me
>here.  These folks were combatants, they at least represent a danger
>to our interests and must be controlled.  That being said, it would
>serve our purposes to treat them humanly while they are our guests.
>
>Pete
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

You are correct. Usually our POW's are not treated under the GC because
we are fighting aggressors as a defendor. Aggressors tend not to fight
by the rules as they have already broken them. The GC gives us a *legal*
way to punish those captors who do not follow the GC. We can do it via
military tribunal OR the Hague. And yes, I have no problems with them
being hung or shot.

The point is that we are the "Greatest Nation on Earth" or so you would
have us believe given by your "Obama Lovers" statement. In reality most
modern nations all have their issues. But as long as we are going to
preach the propaganda we should atleast have the will, the guts and the
determination to practice what we preach. Sinking to their level makes
us nothing but yellow bellied cowards, because that is what they are.

-Rolf

Loren Faeth wrote:
> Yeah, the geneva Convention really protected McCain didn't it.
>
> Right!  I have some beach property in Goffs, CA You'd love to buy!
>
> And before you jump to the conclusion that I like McCain, you are 
> wrong.  I think he lost his mind in the Hanoi Hilton, and has never 
> had it since.
>
> You historically illiterate Obama lovers ought to be given your 
> choice of spending a one year vacation in:
> 1.  Getting the same treatment in the Hanoi hilton that John McCain endured.
> 2.  Spending a year in captivity in Lebanon with the same hospitality 
> that the 2 israelis who were just returned by Hezbolla got
> 3.  Spending a year as a Japanese prisoner in Truk Atoll in the year 
> before it was liberated.
> 4.  Spending a year as a jew in your choice of Nazi  concentration 
> camps  (Oh wait, that never happened, did it!  So you can't go there!)
>
> After that, come back and tell be about club gitmo.  Until then shut 
> your ignorant yaps.
>
> Yeah, the geneva Convention really protected McCain didn't it?
> Sure did, Just like it protected the thousands of Allied POWs held by 
> the Japanese in WWII
>
> Here is just one forgotten tidbit, but who cares, only 517 POWS were 
> killed there?
>
> After the war, the Australian Army 7th Infantry Battalion, including 
> Lt.
>  
> General V. A. H. Sturdee (1st Army) and Brigadier A.W. Potts (23 
> Infantry Brigade) toured the island on November 10, 1945.
>
> Australians immediately located the 
> grave
>  
> of 57 POWs buried in shallow trenches. An atrocities commission was 
> carried out on the island, that led to the discovery of a mass grave 
> of 436 bodies were exhumed with artifacts identifying them as British 
> artillerymen. The remains were re-interred in individual graves at 
> Bomama War 
> Cemetery near Port Moresby. The remainder of the 517 British POWs 
> have never been found.  Ed:[There were 517 POWS taken to this island 
> by the Japanese to be used as slave labor to build an 
> airstrip.  Ain't it wonderful how the GC took care of them!  If only 
> those poor boys in Gitmo got the same generous treatment!]
> http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/solomons/ballale/index.html
>
> Yeah, I know, most Obama lovers are public school grads, and can't 
> read, so I will show a picture:
> http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/PhotoFile/Liberation-Men.jpg
> These guys are all obviously much better treated than all those poor 
> abused freedom fighters in Gitmo
>
> http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/PhotoFile/JustRescued2.jpg
> This crew makes it easy to see how the GC protected them.  Again so 
> much better cared for than those wonderful moslems being held at Gitmo.
>
> Oh, pardon  me, those photos are form a site with West point in the 
> name, so they are obviously photoshopped in 1945 to show propaganda, 
> so lets look at pictures from the hallowed halls of 
> academia.  Academia would never lie!
>
> http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics/bataan/daws9.jpg
> "Working on the railroad. The Japanese have classified these men fit 
> for heavy labor. They are aged 19 to 23. POW Geoge Aspinal took the 
> picture with a secret camera and kept the film hidden till liberation."
> From: Daws, p. 232
> If only our beloved heros imprisoned at GItmo were so well cared for!
>
> You say, "But that is only one picture form the hallowed halls of 
> academia."  So here is another
> http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics/bataan/daws15.jpg
>
> ES&DMF  But, you say, "surely the POWS held can't be abused.  These 
> pictures have to be wrong!  There must be a open source repository 
> for facts.  I only use linux, and I am an open source guy!"  Well, 
> you are right!  Just to show the open source world agrees with you, 
> and those poor missionaries are being held at gitmo under the worst 
> torture conditions ever know on planet earth, HERE IS YOUR OPEN 
> SOURCE CONFIRMATION!
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

No. That is incorrect. The Palestinian Jews had been doing it since the
20s

-Rolf

TE wrote:
> Actually, the Japanese invented the suicide bomber during WWII... the
> Palestinians just don't have the money for airplanes.
>
> I couldn't agree more, as the other side of the story is rarely presented.
> Homes being bulldozed with families inside, orchards being torn to shreds,
> men, women and children shot in the streets, killed with rockets from the
> sky... it's no wonder these people have nothing to live for.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rolf
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:53 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
> aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
> America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
> don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>
> For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
> the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
> I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
> Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
> be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
> renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
> and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
> and blowing up my Mercedes : 
> http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg
>
> Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
> and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
> their levels.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
>   
>> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
>> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
>> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
>> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
>> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
>> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
>> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>>
>> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
>> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
>> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
>> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
>> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
>> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
>> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
>> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
>> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
>> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
>> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
>> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
>> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
>> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
>> of course.
>>
>> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
>> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
>> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> TE wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
>>> McBush?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>   
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
>>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>>>
>>> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
>>> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
>>> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
>>> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
>>> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
>>> apply t

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

We were discussing GC in relation to Gitmo. As far as I am concerned
those are POW's and have right to a military tribunal at the *very*
least. They are all certainly wearing orange uniforms now aren't they?

-Rolf

Rich Thomas wrote:
> I am always amused when people are willing to toss out the moral 
> equivalence argument whenever it suits them.  But I take your point, 
> well-put, about stooping to the level of the savages, and can't really 
> disagree with it -- my point was that the GC was put together to cover 
> national military activities, not a bunch of random a-h's fighting to 
> kill anyone who happens to disagree with them on whatever stupid 
> savagery they are touting at the moment.  They and their supporters fall 
> back on the GC argument (which strictly speaking does not apply to them) 
> whenever you catch one who has sawn off someone's head with a dull 
> blade, or tried to blow themselves and/or others up, or done some other 
> savagery.  Their buds think we are a bunch of fools, and play on that 
> very well.  But then again showing our better way does seem to have 
> convinced a lot of folks that our way is indeed better, and maybe that 
> is the path that will work as it has in the past (along with some AC-130 
> action from the high ground).
>
> --R
>
> Rolf wrote:
>   
>> I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
>> aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
>> America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
>> don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
>> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>>
>> For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
>> the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
>> I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
>> Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
>> be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
>> renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
>> and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
>> and blowing up my Mercedes : 
>> http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg
>>
>> Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
>> and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
>> their levels.
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>> Rich Thomas wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
>>> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
>>> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
>>> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
>>> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
>>> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
>>> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>>>
>>> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
>>> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
>>> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
>>> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
>>> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
>>> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
>>> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
>>> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
>>> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
>>> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
>>> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
>>> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
>>> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
>>> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
>>> of course.
>>>
>>> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
>>> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
>>> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>> TE wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> And the Geneva

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

   The constitution invokes the "innocent until proven guilty" for US 
citizens.  We generously extend it to foreigners in the US 
legally.  It does not apply outside the US jurisdiction.It has no 
relationship to the vacationers at club gitmo.  They are there for 
the duration, unless a prisoner exchange is negotiated.  Such an 
exchange is impossible in this case, as there is no government to 
negotiate with.

At 09:43 AM 7/17/2008, you wrote:

>  -- Original message --
>
> >
> > Innocent until proven guilty.
> >
> > John
> >
>I would have to agree, our constitution guarantee's us that right, 
>to be considered "Innocent until proven Guilty"
>
>However, MOST of the world uses a system of Napoleonic Justice which 
>simply put is "Guilty until proven Innocent"
>
>I think I am swayed to do onto my enemy as he would do onto me 
>here.  These folks were combatants, they at least represent a danger 
>to our interests and must be controlled.  That being said, it would 
>serve our purposes to treat them humanly while they are our guests.
>
>Pete
>
>
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[Loren Faeth]

Again, you are applying the constitution to people not under the 
constitution.  These are not kids who stole a candy bar.  They are 
people who were in essence shooting at our troops, be it literally or 
figuratively, in building, transporting or setting IEDs, or 
whatever.  In the term  of recorded history those types are held at 
least until the end of hostilities.  No trials are needed.  Many 
times they are executed, on the spot or later, and seldom with a 
trial.   Again, read your history.  If they were a uniformed army, 
they would be called POWS.  In this case they are not POWs.  No 
country in history has held trails for every POW captured.

In any case, they certainly are not granted the right of trial in US 
courts.  A military trial, in some cases, but never in the US court system.

At 09:18 AM 7/17/2008, you wrote:
>Loren Faeth wrote:
> > TE, Your underlying assumption is that the scumbags at gitmo are not
> > treated well enough.  Show the evidence.  and don't repeat
> > unsubstantiated blog stories.
>
>I could care less about creature comforts... thats a totally different
>issue.  We are talking about what our country has defined as the right
>to a speedy trial.  They are being denied that right, and for all
>intents and purposes were being held indefinitely (hopefully they will
>have trials now).
>
>Now before you go saying that I'm a terrorist and want to set them all
>free that isn't the case at all.  I am all for a fair trial to prove
>them guilty WITH EVIDENCE and dole out whatever punishment the court
>deems necessary.  I imagine there will be quite a few death row sentences.
>
>In my opinion, our judicial system was built on the idea that ten guilty
>people go free before one innocent person goes to jail.  It seems to me
>that you think no guilty person goes free no matter how many innocents
>go to jail.
>
>Innocent until proven guilty.
>
>John
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[pm7088]

 -- Original message --

> 
> Innocent until proven guilty.
> 
> John
> 
I would have to agree, our constitution guarantee's us that right, to be 
considered "Innocent until proven Guilty"

However, MOST of the world uses a system of Napoleonic Justice which simply put 
is "Guilty until proven Innocent"

I think I am swayed to do onto my enemy as he would do onto me here.  These 
folks were combatants, they at least represent a danger to our interests and 
must be controlled.  That being said, it would serve our purposes to treat them 
humanly while they are our guests.

Pete


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[John Robbins]

Loren Faeth wrote:
> TE, Your underlying assumption is that the scumbags at gitmo are not 
> treated well enough.  Show the evidence.  and don't repeat 
> unsubstantiated blog stories.  

I could care less about creature comforts... thats a totally different 
issue.  We are talking about what our country has defined as the right 
to a speedy trial.  They are being denied that right, and for all 
intents and purposes were being held indefinitely (hopefully they will 
have trials now).

Now before you go saying that I'm a terrorist and want to set them all 
free that isn't the case at all.  I am all for a fair trial to prove 
them guilty WITH EVIDENCE and dole out whatever punishment the court 
deems necessary.  I imagine there will be quite a few death row sentences.

In my opinion, our judicial system was built on the idea that ten guilty 
people go free before one innocent person goes to jail.  It seems to me 
that you think no guilty person goes free no matter how many innocents 
go to jail.

Innocent until proven guilty.

John


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[Hendrik & Fay]

Just wondering, what happens in court if a Muslim testifies? Do they 
give him/her a Koran or is the Christian propaganda material standard.

Hendrik
me no likey organized religion

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would expect a devout Muslim to take his oath on the Koran, it is the 
> Scared Volume to his religion much as mine id the King James version of the 
> Bible.
>
> Anyone who doesn't agree may feel free to Google "racist".  If the shoe fit, 
> wear it!
>
> Pete, who has many Muslim friends and cannot claim to be as devout as they 
> are.
>
>
>
>   
>   

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

TE, Your underlying assumption is that the scumbags at gitmo are not 
treated well enough.  Show the evidence.  and don't repeat 
unsubstantiated blog stories.  They have more comforts at Gitmo than 
most of them have ever had in their life.  The guys who are 
mistreated are the GIs who have to guard the scumbags.  Have you ever 
talked to any of the poor guys that have to guard these scum?  The 
scum there are treated far better than they deserve.  They think we 
are ridiculous for treating them so well.

The prisoners in our state pen had way more comforts when I was 
growing up than I did.  Color tvs, at a time when few households had 
color.  Cable tv when few households had cable.  not allowed to work 
to repay their victims, or (perish the thought) pay for their 
keep.  I had to work my butt off for no pay.  Few of the families I 
knew had it so plush as the prisoners.

At 10:11 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>So basically you want to throw out the Geneva Convention on some BS
>technicality? Unfortunately, when you have such a broadly defined war aka
>War on Terror, the enemy is not a single country, it's whoever the hell you
>want it to be.
>
>The Geneva Convention defines the rules of war. Just because the "enemy"
>doesn't represent a sovereign nation or wear its uniform, does not mean the
>rules of war do not apply.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:03 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
>The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or
>are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it
>apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing
>themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on
>video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess
>you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits
>of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too.
>
>Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really
>angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that
>brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who
>killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a
>Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach
>(the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun
>and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister
>(she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her
>cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly
>dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds
>are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such
>activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.
>I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that
>should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC
>of course.
>
>But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in
>effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have
>some conversations and negotiations and such.
>
>--R
>
>TE wrote:
> > And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> > McBush?
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> >
> > The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try
> > reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were
> > there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to
> > foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially
> > does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT
> > apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
>battlefield.
> >
> > Almost all of what the federal government does is
> > unconstitutional!  Read the document!
> >
> > At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> just look at McCain's opinion of
> >> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
> >>
> >
> > Loren Faeth
> >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Wonko the Sane]

Just curious, Loren -- how many years did you spend in the military? You
seem to be really big on preserving our freedoms and the perceived
traditional American way of life, at any cost or philosophical compromise. I
am confident that you were willing to invest at least four years of your
life defending same by serving your country in uniform.

I would also question the phrase "historically illiterate Obama lovers." Why
do you assume that anyone who prefers Obama to McCain might not be educated
-- or at least well read -- in the field of history and, perhaps equally
important, political science?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> You historically illiterate Obama lovers ought to be given your
> choice of spending a one year vacation in:
> 1.  Getting the same treatment in the Hanoi hilton that John McCain
> endured.
> 2.  Spending a year in captivity in Lebanon with the same hospitality
> that the 2 israelis who were just returned by Hezbolla got
> 3.  Spending a year as a Japanese prisoner in Truk Atoll in the year
> before it was liberated.
> 4.  Spending a year as a jew in your choice of Nazi  concentration
> camps  (Oh wait, that never happened, did it!  So you can't go there!)
>
> --
LT Don
http://don.homelinux.net/~don/

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[Loren Faeth]

Yeah, the geneva Convention really protected McCain didn't it.

Right!  I have some beach property in Goffs, CA You'd love to buy!

And before you jump to the conclusion that I like McCain, you are 
wrong.  I think he lost his mind in the Hanoi Hilton, and has never 
had it since.

You historically illiterate Obama lovers ought to be given your 
choice of spending a one year vacation in:
1.  Getting the same treatment in the Hanoi hilton that John McCain endured.
2.  Spending a year in captivity in Lebanon with the same hospitality 
that the 2 israelis who were just returned by Hezbolla got
3.  Spending a year as a Japanese prisoner in Truk Atoll in the year 
before it was liberated.
4.  Spending a year as a jew in your choice of Nazi  concentration 
camps  (Oh wait, that never happened, did it!  So you can't go there!)

After that, come back and tell be about club gitmo.  Until then shut 
your ignorant yaps.

Yeah, the geneva Convention really protected McCain didn't it?
Sure did, Just like it protected the thousands of Allied POWs held by 
the Japanese in WWII

Here is just one forgotten tidbit, but who cares, only 517 POWS were 
killed there?

After the war, the Australian Army 7th Infantry Battalion, including 
Lt.
 
General V. A. H. Sturdee (1st Army) and Brigadier A.W. Potts (23 
Infantry Brigade) toured the island on November 10, 1945.

Australians immediately located the 
grave 
of 57 POWs buried in shallow trenches. An atrocities commission was 
carried out on the island, that led to the discovery of a mass grave 
of 436 bodies were exhumed with artifacts identifying them as British 
artillerymen. The remains were re-interred in individual graves at 
Bomama War 
Cemetery near Port Moresby. The remainder of the 517 British POWs 
have never been found.  Ed:[There were 517 POWS taken to this island 
by the Japanese to be used as slave labor to build an 
airstrip.  Ain't it wonderful how the GC took care of them!  If only 
those poor boys in Gitmo got the same generous treatment!]
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/solomons/ballale/index.html

Yeah, I know, most Obama lovers are public school grads, and can't 
read, so I will show a picture:
http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/PhotoFile/Liberation-Men.jpg
These guys are all obviously much better treated than all those poor 
abused freedom fighters in Gitmo

http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/PhotoFile/JustRescued2.jpg
This crew makes it easy to see how the GC protected them.  Again so 
much better cared for than those wonderful moslems being held at Gitmo.

Oh, pardon  me, those photos are form a site with West point in the 
name, so they are obviously photoshopped in 1945 to show propaganda, 
so lets look at pictures from the hallowed halls of 
academia.  Academia would never lie!

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics/bataan/daws9.jpg
"Working on the railroad. The Japanese have classified these men fit 
for heavy labor. They are aged 19 to 23. POW Geoge Aspinal took the 
picture with a secret camera and kept the film hidden till liberation."
From: Daws, p. 232
If only our beloved heros imprisoned at GItmo were so well cared for!

You say, "But that is only one picture form the hallowed halls of 
academia."  So here is another
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics/bataan/daws15.jpg

ES&DMF  But, you say, "surely the POWS held can't be abused.  These 
pictures have to be wrong!  There must be a open source repository 
for facts.  I only use linux, and I am an open source guy!"  Well, 
you are right!  Just to show the open source world agrees with you, 
and those poor missionaries are being held at gitmo under the worst 
torture conditions ever know on planet earth, HERE IS YOUR OPEN 
SOURCE CONFIRMATION!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

Cheers!  You are so RIGHT!  Those poor missionaries held at gitmo 
would never harm anyone.  Now you have confirmation from three 
different sources!  And, you are so right!  The Geneva Convention 
only applies to rag tag bands of missionaries that wear the uniform 
of no country!  GO tell all your friends!


At 05:02 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>TE wrote:
> > And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> > McBush?

Loren Faeth 
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

Actually, the Japanese invented the suicide bomber during WWII... the
Palestinians just don't have the money for airplanes.

I couldn't agree more, as the other side of the story is rarely presented.
Homes being bulldozed with families inside, orchards being torn to shreds,
men, women and children shot in the streets, killed with rockets from the
sky... it's no wonder these people have nothing to live for.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:53 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.

For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
and blowing up my Mercedes : 
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg

Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
their levels.

-Rolf

Rich Thomas wrote:
> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>
> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
> of course.
>
> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>
> --R
>
> TE wrote:
>   
>> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
>> McBush?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>>
>> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
>> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
>> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
>> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
>> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
>> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
battlefield.
>>
>> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
>> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>>
>> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>>> 
>>>   
>> Loren Faeth 
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

So basically you want to throw out the Geneva Convention on some BS
technicality? Unfortunately, when you have such a broadly defined war aka
War on Terror, the enemy is not a single country, it's whoever the hell you
want it to be.

The Geneva Convention defines the rules of war. Just because the "enemy"
doesn't represent a sovereign nation or wear its uniform, does not mean the
rules of war do not apply.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 

Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
(the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
(she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
of course.

But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
some conversations and negotiations and such.

--R

TE wrote:
> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> McBush?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
battlefield.
>
> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>
> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>> 
>
> Loren Faeth 
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rich Thomas]

I am always amused when people are willing to toss out the moral 
equivalence argument whenever it suits them.  But I take your point, 
well-put, about stooping to the level of the savages, and can't really 
disagree with it -- my point was that the GC was put together to cover 
national military activities, not a bunch of random a-h's fighting to 
kill anyone who happens to disagree with them on whatever stupid 
savagery they are touting at the moment.  They and their supporters fall 
back on the GC argument (which strictly speaking does not apply to them) 
whenever you catch one who has sawn off someone's head with a dull 
blade, or tried to blow themselves and/or others up, or done some other 
savagery.  Their buds think we are a bunch of fools, and play on that 
very well.  But then again showing our better way does seem to have 
convinced a lot of folks that our way is indeed better, and maybe that 
is the path that will work as it has in the past (along with some AC-130 
action from the high ground).

--R

Rolf wrote:
> I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
> aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
> America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
> don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>
> For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
> the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
> I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
> Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
> be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
> renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
> and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
> and blowing up my Mercedes : 
> http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg
>
> Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
> and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
> their levels.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
>   
>> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
>> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
>> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
>> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
>> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
>> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
>> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>>
>> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
>> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
>> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
>> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
>> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
>> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
>> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
>> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
>> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
>> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
>> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
>> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
>> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
>> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
>> of course.
>>
>> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
>> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
>> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> TE wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
>>> McBush?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>>>
>>> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
>>> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
>>> there!  The US Constitution does s

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Wilton Strickland]

That's what I thought, too.  That's the way I was raised, thinking that we
would never stoop to such.  I have sure as Hell been disappointed the last
few years.

Wilton, LtCol, USAF (Ret)

- Original Message -
From: "Rolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity


> I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention
> aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of
> America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we
> don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries.
> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>
> For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented
> the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time
> I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from
> Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would
> be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy,
> renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins
> and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
> and blowing up my Mercedes :
> http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg
>
> Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN
> and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to
> their levels.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
> > The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or
> > are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it
> > apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing
> > themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on
> > video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess
> > you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits
> > of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too.
> >
> > Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really
> > angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that
> > brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who
> > killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a
> > Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach
> > (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun
> > and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister
> > (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her
> > cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly
> > dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds
> > are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such
> > activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.
> > I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that
> > should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC
> > of course.
> >
> > But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in
> > effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have
> > some conversations and negotiations and such.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > TE wrote:
> >
> >> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> >> McBush?
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> >>
> >> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try
> >> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were
> >> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to
> >> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially
> >> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT
> >> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
battlefield.
> >>
> >> Almost all of what the federal government does is
> >> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
> >>
> >> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> just look at McCain's opinion of
> >>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
> >>>
> >>>
> >> 

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Bill Ringgold]

Well put Rolf.
BillR


-Original Message-
From: "Rolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 7/16/08 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.

For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
and blowing up my Mercedes : 
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg

Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
their levels.

-Rolf

Rich Thomas wrote:
> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Wonko the Sane]

Exactly. I struggle with this myself from time to time (philosophically).

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Part of being the United States of America, the greatest country on this
> green earth(tm), means that we don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature
> of (some) other countries.


> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.

For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
and blowing up my Mercedes : 
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg

Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
their levels.

-Rolf

Rich Thomas wrote:
> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>
> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
> of course.
>
> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>
> --R
>
> TE wrote:
>   
>> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
>> McBush?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>>
>> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
>> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
>> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
>> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
>> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
>> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.
>>
>> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
>> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>>
>> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>>> 
>>>   
>> Loren Faeth 
>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rich Thomas]

The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 

Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
(the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
(she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
of course.

But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
some conversations and negotiations and such.

--R

TE wrote:
> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> McBush?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.
>
> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>
> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>> 
>
> Loren Faeth 
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
McBush?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.

Almost all of what the federal government does is 
unconstitutional!  Read the document!

At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>just look at McCain's opinion of
>giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees

Loren Faeth 


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

And lazy, lets not forget that

Luther wrote:
> Fat and rude :)
> 
> Luther
> 
> Quoting "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> Yea, I am pretty rude
>>
>> Jack Dahlgren wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 yea, Loren is a real big idiot



>>> That is kind of rude. 
>>>
>>> -Jack
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[John Robbins]

Rolf wrote:
> When we go to war in order to "free" the Iraqi people in the name of
> democracy we *should* apply the same principals that made this country
> great. That includes the freedoms and liberties given to us by said
> document. Gitmo detainees are non combatants and should be extended
> those same rights or they should be treated as prisoners of war and
> handled under the Geneva convention.

> Have any Gitmo detainees been found guilty of any crime? If not then we
> have kidnapped civilians from a foreign country. If someone did that to
> us it would be an act of war (hello Iran in the 70's).

Well said!

John


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

When we go to war in order to "free" the Iraqi people in the name of
democracy we *should* apply the same principals that made this country
great. That includes the freedoms and liberties given to us by said
document. Gitmo detainees are non combatants and should be extended
those same rights or they should be treated as prisoners of war and
handled under the Geneva convention.

Where does is say anywhere in the Constitution that those rights and
liberties granted *only* apply to citizens? Note the word posterity in
the preamble.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility
, provide for the
common defence , promote
the general Welfare
, and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
, do ordain
 and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America."


Have any Gitmo detainees been found guilty of any crime? If not then we
have kidnapped civilians from a foreign country. If someone did that to
us it would be an act of war (hello Iran in the 70's).

-Rolf

Loren Faeth wrote:
> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.
>
> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>
> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>> 
>
> Loren Faeth 
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

he does travel a bit much, no?  definitely calls for some anal cavity
action.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On 7/16/08, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > maybe you can suggest peanut dust checks at the airport and get yourself
> a
> >  big job in homeland security
>
> Great idea!
> And my masters would be so happy the day we put Jimmy Carter on the
> "known terrerrists" list.
>
> -Jack
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.

Almost all of what the federal government does is 
unconstitutional!  Read the document!

At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>just look at McCain's opinion of
>giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees

Loren Faeth 


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[John Robbins]

Loren Faeth wrote:
  > We are dealing with a sect that is determined to kill or convert us
> by any means.  That includes infiltration, and using our own systems 
> to kill and maim.  Remember Sept 11, 2001?  Those were just "peaceful 
> fun loving students."  These are people who believe that a lie told 
> to an "infidel" is not a lie.  None of us know what is really in 
> Osama Obama's mind.  (just quoting ted Kennedy)  It is no accident 
> that the numbers of moslem immigrants has skyrocketed in the past 10 
> or 12 year.
 >
> Whether Obama is a terrorist or not, it is very clear he will be far 
> more friendly to terrorists than most Americans are.  Although 
> distasteful,  the notion is that a politician elected US Senator is a 
> terrorist, unfortunately is NOT absurd!   Obama's rapid, vacuous rise 
> indicate there are forces beyond the normal behind him.  Who is to 
> say it is not the force of wa ha bi?


Wow... just wow.  I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.  No 
matter what evidence is presented to you, irregardless of the evidence's 
merit, you will twist it or discredit it so you can continue to support 
your view.  I respect the right for you to have that view, and I truly 
hope that our ability to argue/discuss these types of topics in any 
form/fashion continues for the foreseeable future.  IMO, Obama will do 
more to preserve that than McCain.. just look at McCain's opinion of 
giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees.  So much for respect of the 
constitution.

BTW, saying your quoting Ted Kennedy doesn't change the fact that you 
still said it and believe the sentiment behind it.

John


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

On 7/16/08, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe you can suggest peanut dust checks at the airport and get yourself a
>  big job in homeland security

Great idea!
And my masters would be so happy the day we put Jimmy Carter on the
"known terrerrists" list.

-Jack

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

maybe you can suggest peanut dust checks at the airport and get yourself a
big job in homeland security

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On 7/15/08, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > it was even stupider than that.  small towns and shopping center in
> georgia
> >  were being evactuated due to the possibility of terrorist attack.  I was
> >  actually turned away on the road to the outlet mall in dawsonville,
> georgia
> >  by some dude in army fatigues (don't know if has army, national guard or
> >  police as he became extremely hostile when i suggested he identify
> himself
> >  and state teh source of his authority).  how can you blame a government
> for
> >  taking advantage of a people so willfully moronic?
>
> Next thing you know they are going to take all our scimitars away.
> I'm stocking up on leaf springs, charcoal, anvils and grinding wheels.
>
> As for why the historical highs in national moronicism, I have no
> explanation. You have to ask god.
>
> And, Gary, how do we really know you are not a terrorist? I'm gonna
> have them check you for peanut dust.
>
> -Jack
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Luther]

Fat and rude :)

Luther

Quoting "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Yea, I am pretty rude
>
> Jack Dahlgren wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yea, Loren is a real big idiot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That is kind of rude. 
>>
>> -Jack



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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

On 7/15/08, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it was even stupider than that.  small towns and shopping center in georgia
>  were being evactuated due to the possibility of terrorist attack.  I was
>  actually turned away on the road to the outlet mall in dawsonville, georgia
>  by some dude in army fatigues (don't know if has army, national guard or
>  police as he became extremely hostile when i suggested he identify himself
>  and state teh source of his authority).  how can you blame a government for
>  taking advantage of a people so willfully moronic?

Next thing you know they are going to take all our scimitars away.
I'm stocking up on leaf springs, charcoal, anvils and grinding wheels.

As for why the historical highs in national moronicism, I have no
explanation. You have to ask god.

And, Gary, how do we really know you are not a terrorist? I'm gonna
have them check you for peanut dust.

-Jack

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Jack Dahlgren]

On 7/15/08, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  You might want to inform them of Christian cities
>  and countries that were overrun by scimitar welding moslems and their
>  politically correct version of "convert or die."  Very peaceful,
>  funloving folks, for sure!

I've always said we should ban scimitars, but I can never get any support.
Loren, care to make a donation to AAS or do you not care about our future?

-Jack "Atheists Against Scimitars" Dahlgren

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

Perhaps there are brainwashed zombies on the list that will not 
understand your statement.  Maybe you should spell it out more 
clearly for them.  You might want to inform them of Christian cities 
and countries that were overrun by scimitar welding moslems and their 
politically correct version of "convert or die."  Very peaceful, 
funloving folks, for sure!

the historical ignorance of the American populace is disgraceful

At 10:25 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:
>TE wrote:
>
> > Like the Crusades?
>
>Perhaps you didn't notice that Islam was spread by the sword about that time
>too? Some would say that the Crusades were a response to the violent 
>spread of
>Islam.
>
>
>Mitch
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Mitch Haley]

TE wrote:

> Like the Crusades?

Perhaps you didn't notice that Islam was spread by the sword about that time 
too? Some would say that the Crusades were a response to the violent spread of 
Islam.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Wonko the Sane]

You are being nice. Did you find Jesus or something since your absence?

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > yea, Loren is a real big idiot
> >
> >
> >
> That is kind of rude.
>
> -Jack
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

>We are dealing with a sect that is determined to kill or convert us 
>by any means.  That includes infiltration, and using our own systems 
>to kill and maim.  

Like the Crusades?

>It is no accident 
>that the numbers of moslem immigrants has skyrocketed in the past 10 
>or 12 year.

Just for the purpose of entertaining your ridiculous statistic, perhaps it's
because Islam is the world's largest religion per capita? In actuality, the
CIA fact book states that as of 2007, Muslims only make up an estimated 0.6%
of the US population.

>Whether Obama is a terrorist or not, it is very clear he will be far 
>more friendly to terrorists than most Americans are.  

I think you meant to say Muslims there, but because you fit the White House
description of a typical good, patriotic American citizen all Muslims are
terrorists.


>Obama's rapid, vacuous rise 
>indicate there are forces beyond the normal behind him.  Who is to 
>say it is not the force of wa ha bi?

Who's to say it's not the force of the American people... you know, those
who actually remember the Constitution, or the Geneva Convention, etc.?


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

and your point is?


Although 
distasteful,  the notion is that a politician elected US Senator is a 
terrorist, unfortunately is NOT absurd!   

At 06:15 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:
>And your point is?
>
>Although distasteful, it just points out how absurd the notion is that a
>politician elected US Senator is a terrorist.
>
>People... regardless if you are a Republican or Democrat, you have to see
>the absurdity of this shit the tube pumps into your home. Think for
Christ's
>sake before opening your mouth and regurgitating this garbage.
>
>5 decades ago it would have been a babushka, a woolen hat, vodka and a
>picture of Stalin.
>
>6 decades ago it would have been a kimono, geta sandals and a picture of
>Tojo.




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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

it was even stupider than that.  small towns and shopping center in georgia
were being evactuated due to the possibility of terrorist attack.  I was
actually turned away on the road to the outlet mall in dawsonville, georgia
by some dude in army fatigues (don't know if has army, national guard or
police as he became extremely hostile when i suggested he identify himself
and state teh source of his authority).  how can you blame a government for
taking advantage of a people so willfully moronic?

the peanut dust line comes from mcdonalds.  the public schools have seen fit
to convince parents that after terrorism, peanuts are the greatest threat to
their childrens' well being.  to reassure worried parents, mcdonalds put on
their cookie wrappers "cookies may have been exposed to peanut dust."  so
now you can feel secure as you feed your kids this garbage so they can  grow
up all big and strong to further support the insane war mongering
imperialism.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I just hate it when I get peanut in my chocolate.
>
> Did I ever tell you the story of when an entire semiconductor fab got shut
> down because someone didn't clean up after eating donuts in the break room?
> They were the powdered sugar types.
>
> 9/11 had just happened.
>
> Someone assumed the white powder on the counter was anthrax.
>
> Everyone was evacuated.
>
> That plant made about $1,000,000 an hour when running.
>
> -Jack "two months earlier, the techs would have been after that dust with
> drinking straws" Dahlgren
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > it's pretty good material for this level.  perhaps you just don't
> > understand
> > it.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, peanut dust is cutting edge.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Jack Dahlgren]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> TE wrote:
> > And your point is?
> >
> > Although distasteful, it just points out how absurd the notion is that a
> > politician elected US Senator is a terrorist.
>
> Why not, we've got a politician who was elected governor and president who
> is an
> international terrorist. Presumably his political career will be over in
> six
> months and five days.
>

He wasn't a terrorist until he got the job. But you are right. We should
make them take off their shoes before they run. Also check to see what they
have hidden in their kimonos.

-Jack
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Mitch Haley]

TE wrote:
> And your point is?
> 
> Although distasteful, it just points out how absurd the notion is that a
> politician elected US Senator is a terrorist.

Why not, we've got a politician who was elected governor and president who is 
an 
international terrorist. Presumably his political career will be over in six 
months and five days.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

I just hate it when I get peanut in my chocolate.

Did I ever tell you the story of when an entire semiconductor fab got shut
down because someone didn't clean up after eating donuts in the break room?
They were the powdered sugar types.

9/11 had just happened.

Someone assumed the white powder on the counter was anthrax.

Everyone was evacuated.

That plant made about $1,000,000 an hour when running.

-Jack "two months earlier, the techs would have been after that dust with
drinking straws" Dahlgren




On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> it's pretty good material for this level.  perhaps you just don't
> understand
> it.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, peanut dust is cutting edge.
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Redghost]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5380577&page=1

On 15 Jul 2008, at 16:09, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Redghost wrote:
>> The New Yorker is in trouble for a cartoon of Michelle dressed in
>> terrorist garb, barrack in man dress, and Osama on the wall of the
>> Oval Office.
>
> This discussion is worthless without pictures.
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

it's pretty good material for this level.  perhaps you just don't understand
it.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yeah, peanut dust is cutting edge.
>
> -Jack
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i'm on all new material, man.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Gary,
> > >
> > > I know. I'm HOPELESSLY in the past.
> > >
> > > -Jack "have you changed ALL the jokes?" Dahlgren
> >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Jack Dahlgren]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> many americans need look no further than their mirror to answer the
> question
> of what sort of person supports genocide.
>
> oppose all foreign wars!
>
>

Some of them can't look past their own boob job. Maybe that is the problem?

-Jack
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

Yeah, peanut dust is cutting edge.

-Jack

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i'm on all new material, man.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > I know. I'm HOPELESSLY in the past.
> >
> > -Jack "have you changed ALL the jokes?" Dahlgren
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

i'm on all new material, man.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Gary,
>
> I know. I'm HOPELESSLY in the past.
>
> -Jack "have you changed ALL the jokes?" Dahlgren
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Well I didnt think this was banned but what do I know
> >
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > 6 years with todd and no new material.  what else could one expect?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Gary Hurst]

so we murder a million iraqi's and tell everyone to take their shoes
off at the airport?  then we tell the kids at the public school to wonder
about how them nazzies could do all that mean to stuff to little anne frank
and her kin?

many americans need look no further than their mirror to answer the question
of what sort of person supports genocide.

oppose all foreign wars!




On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> and your point is?
>
> We are dealing with a sect that is determined to kill or convert us
> by any means.  That includes infiltration, and using our own systems
> to kill and maim.  Remember Sept 11, 2001?  Those were just "peaceful
> fun loving students."  These are people who believe that a lie told
> to an "infidel" is not a lie.  None of us know what is really in
> Osama Obama's mind.  (just quoting ted Kennedy)  It is no accident
> that the numbers of moslem immigrants has skyrocketed in the past 10
> or 12 year.
>
> Whether Obama is a terrorist or not, it is very clear he will be far
> more friendly to terrorists than most Americans are.  Although
> distasteful,  the notion is that a politician elected US Senator is a
> terrorist, unfortunately is NOT absurd!   Obama's rapid, vacuous rise
> indicate there are forces beyond the normal behind him.  Who is to
> say it is not the force of wa ha bi?
>
> At 06:15 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:
> >And your point is?
> >
> >Although distasteful, it just points out how absurd the notion is that a
> >politician elected US Senator is a terrorist.
> >
> >People... regardless if you are a Republican or Democrat, you have to see
> >the absurdity of this shit the tube pumps into your home. Think for
> Christ's
> >sake before opening your mouth and regurgitating this garbage.
> >
> >5 decades ago it would have been a babushka, a woolen hat, vodka and a
> >picture of Stalin.
> >
> >6 decades ago it would have been a kimono, geta sandals and a picture of
> >Tojo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> >On Behalf Of Redghost
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:49 PM
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> >
> >The New Yorker is in trouble for a cartoon of Michelle dressed in
> >terrorist garb, barrack in man dress, and Osama on the wall of the
> >Oval Office.
> >
> >clay
> >
> >On 15 Jul 2008, at 15:44, TE wrote:
> >
> > > Oh how original!
> > >
> > > How long have you been waiting to crank out that gem?
> > >
> > > Oh wait, you did 5 times already but nobody laughed... guess they
> > > didn't
> > > hear you.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes-
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > On Behalf Of Luther
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:01 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> > >
> > > E, did I mean Obama?
> > >
> > > Luther
> > >
> > > Luther wrote:
> > >> At least they won't help put Osama in office
> > >>
> > >> Luther
> > >>
> > >> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther  > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Luther
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >
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[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, I am pretty rude

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> 
>> yea, Loren is a real big idiot
>>
>>
>>
> That is kind of rude.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

Gary,

I know. I'm HOPELESSLY in the past.

-Jack "have you changed ALL the jokes?" Dahlgren

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> Well I didnt think this was banned but what do I know
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > 6 years with todd and no new material.  what else could one expect?
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

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> yea, Loren is a real big idiot
>
>
>
That is kind of rude.

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Mitch Haley]

Redghost wrote:
> The New Yorker is in trouble for a cartoon of Michelle dressed in  
> terrorist garb, barrack in man dress, and Osama on the wall of the  
> Oval Office.

This discussion is worthless without pictures.

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well I didnt think this was banned but what do I know

Gary Hurst wrote:
> 6 years with todd and no new material.  what else could one expect?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Oh geez, thats a low blow, I t hought only dickarde had that
>>
>> Jack Dahlgren wrote:
>>> I have $17,000 of wisdom.
>>>
>>> -Jack
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
 what the hell do you know, newbie?


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

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6 years with todd and no new material.  what else could one expect?

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> >
> > -Jack
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >> what the hell do you know, newbie?
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

i drive that thing at least once a week.  it kinda grows on me.

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> -Jack
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> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > what the hell do you know, newbie?
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

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Oh geez, thats a low blow, I t hought only dickarde had that

Jack Dahlgren wrote:
> I have $17,000 of wisdom.
> 
> -Jack
> 
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> what the hell do you know, newbie?
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

I have $17,000 of wisdom.

-Jack

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> what the hell do you know, newbie?
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, Loren is a real big idiot

Jack Dahlgren wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> and your point is?
>>
>> We are dealing with a sect that is determined to kill or convert us
>> by any means.  That includes infiltration, and using our own systems
>> to kill and maim.  Remember Sept 11, 2001?  Those were just "peaceful
>> fun loving students."  These are people who believe that a lie told
>> to an "infidel" is not a lie.  None of us know what is really in
>> Osama Obama's mind.  (just quoting ted Kennedy)  It is no accident
>> that the numbers of moslem immigrants has skyrocketed in the past 10
>> or 12 year.
>>
>> Whether Obama is a terrorist or not, it is very clear he will be far
>> more friendly to terrorists than most Americans are.  Although
>> distasteful,  the notion is that a politician elected US Senator is a
>> terrorist, unfortunately is NOT absurd!   Obama's rapid, vacuous rise
>> indicate there are forces beyond the normal behind him.  Who is to
>> say it is not the force of wa ha bi?
>>
>>
> 
> You may be an idiot, but I'm hoping you don't have a fleet of gas guzzlers
> too.
> 
> -Jack "watch out for the peanuts" Dahlgren
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Jack Dahlgren]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> and your point is?
>
> We are dealing with a sect that is determined to kill or convert us
> by any means.  That includes infiltration, and using our own systems
> to kill and maim.  Remember Sept 11, 2001?  Those were just "peaceful
> fun loving students."  These are people who believe that a lie told
> to an "infidel" is not a lie.  None of us know what is really in
> Osama Obama's mind.  (just quoting ted Kennedy)  It is no accident
> that the numbers of moslem immigrants has skyrocketed in the past 10
> or 12 year.
>
> Whether Obama is a terrorist or not, it is very clear he will be far
> more friendly to terrorists than most Americans are.  Although
> distasteful,  the notion is that a politician elected US Senator is a
> terrorist, unfortunately is NOT absurd!   Obama's rapid, vacuous rise
> indicate there are forces beyond the normal behind him.  Who is to
> say it is not the force of wa ha bi?
>
>

You may be an idiot, but I'm hoping you don't have a fleet of gas guzzlers
too.

-Jack "watch out for the peanuts" Dahlgren
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

and your point is?

We are dealing with a sect that is determined to kill or convert us 
by any means.  That includes infiltration, and using our own systems 
to kill and maim.  Remember Sept 11, 2001?  Those were just "peaceful 
fun loving students."  These are people who believe that a lie told 
to an "infidel" is not a lie.  None of us know what is really in 
Osama Obama's mind.  (just quoting ted Kennedy)  It is no accident 
that the numbers of moslem immigrants has skyrocketed in the past 10 
or 12 year.

Whether Obama is a terrorist or not, it is very clear he will be far 
more friendly to terrorists than most Americans are.  Although 
distasteful,  the notion is that a politician elected US Senator is a 
terrorist, unfortunately is NOT absurd!   Obama's rapid, vacuous rise 
indicate there are forces beyond the normal behind him.  Who is to 
say it is not the force of wa ha bi?

At 06:15 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:
>And your point is?
>
>Although distasteful, it just points out how absurd the notion is that a
>politician elected US Senator is a terrorist.
>
>People... regardless if you are a Republican or Democrat, you have to see
>the absurdity of this shit the tube pumps into your home. Think for Christ's
>sake before opening your mouth and regurgitating this garbage.
>
>5 decades ago it would have been a babushka, a woolen hat, vodka and a
>picture of Stalin.
>
>6 decades ago it would have been a kimono, geta sandals and a picture of
>Tojo.
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
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>On Behalf Of Redghost
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:49 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
>The New Yorker is in trouble for a cartoon of Michelle dressed in
>terrorist garb, barrack in man dress, and Osama on the wall of the
>Oval Office.
>
>clay
>
>On 15 Jul 2008, at 15:44, TE wrote:
>
> > Oh how original!
> >
> > How long have you been waiting to crank out that gem?
> >
> > Oh wait, you did 5 times already but nobody laughed... guess they
> > didn't
> > hear you.
> >
> > -Original Message-----
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Luther
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> >
> > E, did I mean Obama?
> >
> > Luther
> >
> > Luther wrote:
> >> At least they won't help put Osama in office
> >>
> >> Luther
> >>
> >> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> >>
> >>> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Luther
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Gary Hurst]

nah, a kimono and a sword and he's got my vote on the sexy factor

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM, TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > 6 decades ago it would have been a kimono, geta sandals and a picture of
> > Tojo.
> >
> >
>
> Am I the only one who thinks Barack would look fetching in a kimono?
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Gary Hurst]

stalinist islamic worshippers of the emperor.  gotta watch em!  better take
your pants off at the airport to stay safe from them!

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM, TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And your point is?
>
> Although distasteful, it just points out how absurd the notion is that a
> politician elected US Senator is a terrorist.
>
> People... regardless if you are a Republican or Democrat, you have to see
> the absurdity of this shit the tube pumps into your home. Think for
> Christ's
> sake before opening your mouth and regurgitating this garbage.
>
> 5 decades ago it would have been a babushka, a woolen hat, vodka and a
> picture of Stalin.
>
> 6 decades ago it would have been a kimono, geta sandals and a picture of
> Tojo.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Redghost
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:49 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> The New Yorker is in trouble for a cartoon of Michelle dressed in
> terrorist garb, barrack in man dress, and Osama on the wall of the
> Oval Office.
>
> clay
>
> On 15 Jul 2008, at 15:44, TE wrote:
>
> > Oh how original!
> >
> > How long have you been waiting to crank out that gem?
> >
> > Oh wait, you did 5 times already but nobody laughed... guess they
> > didn't
> > hear you.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Luther
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:01 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> >
> > E, did I mean Obama?
> >
> > Luther
> >
> > Luther wrote:
> >> At least they won't help put Osama in office
> >>
> >> Luther
> >>
> >> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> >>
> >>> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Luther
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Jack Dahlgren]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM, TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> 6 decades ago it would have been a kimono, geta sandals and a picture of
> Tojo.
>
>

Am I the only one who thinks Barack would look fetching in a kimono?

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

what the hell do you know, newbie?

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:19 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I should have been smarter and not been such a sheep and followed the
> herd
> > like
> > everyone else. I particulary feel that way because I have traditionally
> > tried to be conservative when it comes to
> > things like fuel economy and now find myself sitting with a fleet of
> > guzzlers wondering how I ended up in that
> > spot.
>
>
> You are right Randy, don't blame everyone else. You are responsible for
> your
> own actions!
>
> -Jack
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo manygay women

[Gary Hurst]

yes, i'm a whiner, but i don't yet fear peanut dust and germ(an)s

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary referred to the country as a "nation of whiners"
>
> Do you include yourself in this group.  I would say that unfortunately you
> are probably right and that I am included in that group.  I will try to
> stop. Of course, as a lawyer, I probably contribute to the problem.  BUT, in
> my defense, your Honor, I defend cases against the whiners.  I am doing my
> best to keep them at bay.
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:19 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I should have been smarter and not been such a sheep and followed the herd
> like
> everyone else. I particulary feel that way because I have traditionally
> tried to be conservative when it comes to
> things like fuel economy and now find myself sitting with a fleet of
> guzzlers wondering how I ended up in that
> spot.


You are right Randy, don't blame everyone else. You are responsible for your
own actions!

-Jack
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[R A Bennell]

Twisting this off onto another topic but it is sometimes difficult not to sound 
like we are whining. The whole
energy discussion of the past few days on here is a case in point. We are all 
whining about the cost of fuel (in
more ways than one) and whining that it isn't our fault and someone should have 
saved us from ourselves. Darned
hard to stand up and just say I should have been smarter and not been such a 
sheep and followed the herd like
everyone else. I particulary feel that way because I have traditionally tried 
to be conservative when it comes to
things like fuel economy and now find myself sitting with a fleet of guzzlers 
wondering how I ended up in that
spot. Even my so called frugal old diesel isn't an efficient one and now diesel 
is more expensive than gas.(more
whining)

Randy

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Gary referred to the country as a "nation of whiners"

Do you include yourself in this group.  I would say that unfortunately you are 
probably right and that I am
included in that group.  I will try to stop. Of course, as a lawyer, I probably 
contribute to the problem.  BUT, in
my defense, your Honor, I defend cases against the whiners.  I am doing my best 
to keep them at bay.

Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

And your point is?

Although distasteful, it just points out how absurd the notion is that a
politician elected US Senator is a terrorist.

People... regardless if you are a Republican or Democrat, you have to see
the absurdity of this shit the tube pumps into your home. Think for Christ's
sake before opening your mouth and regurgitating this garbage.

5 decades ago it would have been a babushka, a woolen hat, vodka and a
picture of Stalin.

6 decades ago it would have been a kimono, geta sandals and a picture of
Tojo.




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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

The New Yorker is in trouble for a cartoon of Michelle dressed in  
terrorist garb, barrack in man dress, and Osama on the wall of the  
Oval Office.

clay

On 15 Jul 2008, at 15:44, TE wrote:

> Oh how original!
>
> How long have you been waiting to crank out that gem?
>
> Oh wait, you did 5 times already but nobody laughed... guess they  
> didn't
> hear you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Luther
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:01 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> E, did I mean Obama?
>
> Luther
>
> Luther wrote:
>> At least they won't help put Osama in office
>>
>> Luther
>>
>> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>>
>>> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
>>>>
>>>> Luther
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[PM7088]

I would expect a devout Muslim to take his oath on the Koran, it is the Scared 
Volume to his religion much as mine id the King James version of the Bible.

Anyone who doesn't agree may feel free to Google "racist".  If the shoe fit, 
wear it!

Pete, who has many Muslim friends and cannot claim to be as devout as they are.


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> Luther wrote:
> > Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
> 
> I know of at least one person who stated he was a Muslim and honestly 
> believed it.  She's also attended a KKK meeting...  Fortunately I don't 
> have to deal with her often!!
> 
> I just *LOVE* living in the south...
> 
> John
> 
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo manygay women

[Donald Snook]

Gary referred to the country as a "nation of whiners"

Do you include yourself in this group.  I would say that unfortunately you are 
probably right and that I am included in that group.  I will try to stop. Of 
course, as a lawyer, I probably contribute to the problem.  BUT, in my defense, 
your Honor, I defend cases against the whiners.  I am doing my best to keep 
them at bay.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Redghost]

The New Yorker is in trouble for a cartoon of Michelle dressed in  
terrorist garb, barrack in man dress, and Osama on the wall of the  
Oval Office.

clay

On 15 Jul 2008, at 15:44, TE wrote:

> Oh how original!
>
> How long have you been waiting to crank out that gem?
>
> Oh wait, you did 5 times already but nobody laughed... guess they  
> didn't
> hear you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Luther
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:01 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> E, did I mean Obama?
>
> Luther
>
> Luther wrote:
>> At least they won't help put Osama in office
>>
>> Luther
>>
>> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>>
>>> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
>>>>
>>>> Luther
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

Oh how original!

How long have you been waiting to crank out that gem?

Oh wait, you did 5 times already but nobody laughed... guess they didn't
hear you.

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E, did I mean Obama?

Luther

Luther wrote:
> At least they won't help put Osama in office
>
> Luther
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>   
>> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
>>>
>>> Luther
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo manygay women

[Robert Rentfro]

InterestingI've never made that connection.
Does Rusty know you're doing all this deep thinking while on the clock?

Bob R

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manygay women

no, it's just the feminization of america

when i was a kid, the neighborhood was our small town.  there was  a good
sized hardware/department store called "wainrite's".  me and my friends
would roam around there as we had nothing better to do.  they would throw us
out.

they had a security guard who looked like a giant to us.  he'd see us, grab
us by the neck, carry us to the door and literally throw us out.  we would
then wait until he was out of earshot and give him a few choice racial slurs
and discuss how lucky he was that we didn't want to get in trouble or his
ass would be kicked.

this was just life.  we weren't upset or traumatized, but just had to move
on to another playground.  if i went him and told my dad what happened, he'd
go down to the store and congratulate the guy for not putting up with our
punk kid bs and commend his restraint for not beating the tar out of us.

today this would be a national scandal, especially if peanut dust was
present.

the rise of women has created a faggotized nation of whiners and
allergetics.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > dubya is very sexy to the church going ladies
>
> The ones I used to work with worship Him, as he promises to keep their
> families
> safe.
>
> There is a correlation between the rise of the nanny state / loss of our
> freedoms and the rise of women's suffrage, but I'm not sure if one caused
> the
> other or if they are just two symptoms of some undknown cause.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many gay women

[Rich Thomas]

Come on Gary, don't hold back!  Tell us how you really feel!

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:
> no, it's just the feminization of america
>
> when i was a kid, the neighborhood was our small town.  there was  a good
> sized hardware/department store called "wainrite's".  me and my friends
> would roam around there as we had nothing better to do.  they would throw us
> out.
>
> they had a security guard who looked like a giant to us.  he'd see us, grab
> us by the neck, carry us to the door and literally throw us out.  we would
> then wait until he was out of earshot and give him a few choice racial slurs
> and discuss how lucky he was that we didn't want to get in trouble or his
> ass would be kicked.
>
> this was just life.  we weren't upset or traumatized, but just had to move
> on to another playground.  if i went him and told my dad what happened, he'd
> go down to the store and congratulate the guy for not putting up with our
> punk kid bs and commend his restraint for not beating the tar out of us.
>
> today this would be a national scandal, especially if peanut dust was
> present.
>
> the rise of women has created a faggotized nation of whiners and
> allergetics.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> dubya is very sexy to the church going ladies
>>>   
>> The ones I used to work with worship Him, as he promises to keep their
>> families
>> safe.
>>
>> There is a correlation between the rise of the nanny state / loss of our
>> freedoms and the rise of women's suffrage, but I'm not sure if one caused
>> the
>> other or if they are just two symptoms of some undknown cause.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many gay women

[Gary Hurst]

no, it's just the feminization of america

when i was a kid, the neighborhood was our small town.  there was  a good
sized hardware/department store called "wainrite's".  me and my friends
would roam around there as we had nothing better to do.  they would throw us
out.

they had a security guard who looked like a giant to us.  he'd see us, grab
us by the neck, carry us to the door and literally throw us out.  we would
then wait until he was out of earshot and give him a few choice racial slurs
and discuss how lucky he was that we didn't want to get in trouble or his
ass would be kicked.

this was just life.  we weren't upset or traumatized, but just had to move
on to another playground.  if i went him and told my dad what happened, he'd
go down to the store and congratulate the guy for not putting up with our
punk kid bs and commend his restraint for not beating the tar out of us.

today this would be a national scandal, especially if peanut dust was
present.

the rise of women has created a faggotized nation of whiners and
allergetics.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > dubya is very sexy to the church going ladies
>
> The ones I used to work with worship Him, as he promises to keep their
> families
> safe.
>
> There is a correlation between the rise of the nanny state / loss of our
> freedoms and the rise of women's suffrage, but I'm not sure if one caused
> the
> other or if they are just two symptoms of some undknown cause.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many gay women

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:
> dubya is very sexy to the church going ladies

The ones I used to work with worship Him, as he promises to keep their families 
safe.

There is a correlation between the rise of the nanny state / loss of our 
freedoms and the rise of women's suffrage, but I'm not sure if one caused the 
other or if they are just two symptoms of some undknown cause.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many gay women

[Gary Hurst]

dubya is very sexy to the church going ladies

On 7/15/08, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Guess I don't think Bush, Cheney or even Powell are cute enough to be the
> answer there.  To each their own... Prohibition was a bad idea, as is most
> every attempt to legislate morals.  We need to do it for theft and murder
> and such, but Carrie Nation and her axe did go too far, and you could carry
> that to the next level [which someone - you? - on the list did] and say
> that
> when prohibition was over the 'drug wars' started to put the enforcers into
> a similar job.  I'd be a bit reluctant about saying that the current drug
> situation and Iraq were caused by the women of our country voting based on
> sexual desirability though.
> BillR
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:26 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo
> many
> gay women
>
> first thing  women  did with the right to vote was prohibition, which
> created organized crime.  without prohibition, luciano and capone would
> have
> never graduated from shaking down pushcarts in lower manhattan and the
> kennedy's would be famous boston bartenders.
>
> then it was the new deal and the perpetual welfare state.  how many people
> have been damaged by this?
>
> you'd think they could counterbalance this stupidity by putting an end to
> war, but they just jump on every stupid bloodbath as long as some
> attractive
> man supports  it too.
>
> On 7/15/08, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Gary, you shouldn't talk about your mother and daughter that way, though
> I
> > suspect that is the way you feel about your ex.  Could be one of the
> > reasons
> > for that status.  So, more than half the population shouldn't have a say
> in
> > leadership because they look at things from a different perspective than
> > you
> > do.  I didn't realize so many of the women I know were so preoccupied
> with
> > sex - maybe I should get a new GP because she is secretly turned on by
> old
> > pudgy men.  Interesting,  but not as interesting as the huge number of
> > women
> > who wanted Hillary to win... I didn't know so many women were gay.  But
> > then
> > you do like to stir things up, don't you?
> > BillR [whose better half was steaming a bit last night when she came out
> of
> > my office - she reads many of the emails]
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> >
> > if not for women's suffrage, we wouldn't even need to worry about this
> > freak
> > (or, for that matter, most of america's woes).  women vote solely based
> on
> > who they find sexually attractive and obama is a heck of a lot hotter
> than
> > mccain.  >>>>>>>>>>>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many gay women

[Bill R]

Guess I don't think Bush, Cheney or even Powell are cute enough to be the
answer there.  To each their own... Prohibition was a bad idea, as is most
every attempt to legislate morals.  We need to do it for theft and murder
and such, but Carrie Nation and her axe did go too far, and you could carry
that to the next level [which someone - you? - on the list did] and say that
when prohibition was over the 'drug wars' started to put the enforcers into
a similar job.  I'd be a bit reluctant about saying that the current drug
situation and Iraq were caused by the women of our country voting based on
sexual desirability though.
BillR  

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many
gay women

first thing  women  did with the right to vote was prohibition, which
created organized crime.  without prohibition, luciano and capone would have
never graduated from shaking down pushcarts in lower manhattan and the
kennedy's would be famous boston bartenders.

then it was the new deal and the perpetual welfare state.  how many people
have been damaged by this?

you'd think they could counterbalance this stupidity by putting an end to
war, but they just jump on every stupid bloodbath as long as some attractive
man supports  it too.

On 7/15/08, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gary, you shouldn't talk about your mother and daughter that way, though I
> suspect that is the way you feel about your ex.  Could be one of the
> reasons
> for that status.  So, more than half the population shouldn't have a say
in
> leadership because they look at things from a different perspective than
> you
> do.  I didn't realize so many of the women I know were so preoccupied with
> sex - maybe I should get a new GP because she is secretly turned on by old
> pudgy men.  Interesting,  but not as interesting as the huge number of
> women
> who wanted Hillary to win... I didn't know so many women were gay.  But
> then
> you do like to stir things up, don't you?
> BillR [whose better half was steaming a bit last night when she came out
of
> my office - she reads many of the emails]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
>
> if not for women's suffrage, we wouldn't even need to worry about this
> freak
> (or, for that matter, most of america's woes).  women vote solely based on
> who they find sexually attractive and obama is a heck of a lot hotter than
> mccain.  >>>>>>>>>>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Luther]

E, did I mean Obama?

Luther

Luther wrote:
> At least they won't help put Osama in office
>
> Luther
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>   
>> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
>>>
>>> Luther
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   


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[Luther]

At least they won't help put Osama in office

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> True. And unfortunately they still vote.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
>>
>> Luther
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

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[Wonko the Sane]

True. And unfortunately they still vote.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.
>
> Luther
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[John Robbins]

Luther wrote:
> Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.

I know of at least one person who stated he was a Muslim and honestly 
believed it.  She's also attended a KKK meeting...  Fortunately I don't 
have to deal with her often!!

I just *LOVE* living in the south...

John


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Luther]

Anyone who does is ignorant and ill-informed.

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>
> Just curious.
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many gay women

[Gary Hurst]

first thing  women  did with the right to vote was prohibition, which
created organized crime.  without prohibition, luciano and capone would have
never graduated from shaking down pushcarts in lower manhattan and the
kennedy's would be famous boston bartenders.

then it was the new deal and the perpetual welfare state.  how many people
have been damaged by this?

you'd think they could counterbalance this stupidity by putting an end to
war, but they just jump on every stupid bloodbath as long as some attractive
man supports  it too.

On 7/15/08, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gary, you shouldn't talk about your mother and daughter that way, though I
> suspect that is the way you feel about your ex.  Could be one of the
> reasons
> for that status.  So, more than half the population shouldn't have a say in
> leadership because they look at things from a different perspective than
> you
> do.  I didn't realize so many of the women I know were so preoccupied with
> sex - maybe I should get a new GP because she is secretly turned on by old
> pudgy men.  Interesting,  but not as interesting as the huge number of
> women
> who wanted Hillary to win... I didn't know so many women were gay.  But
> then
> you do like to stir things up, don't you?
> BillR [whose better half was steaming a bit last night when she came out of
> my office - she reads many of the emails]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
>
> if not for women's suffrage, we wouldn't even need to worry about this
> freak
> (or, for that matter, most of america's woes).  women vote solely based on
> who they find sexually attractive and obama is a heck of a lot hotter than
> mccain.  >>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooo many gay women

[Bill R]

Gary, you shouldn't talk about your mother and daughter that way, though I
suspect that is the way you feel about your ex.  Could be one of the reasons
for that status.  So, more than half the population shouldn't have a say in
leadership because they look at things from a different perspective than you
do.  I didn't realize so many of the women I know were so preoccupied with
sex - maybe I should get a new GP because she is secretly turned on by old
pudgy men.  Interesting,  but not as interesting as the huge number of women
who wanted Hillary to win... I didn't know so many women were gay.  But then
you do like to stir things up, don't you?
BillR [whose better half was steaming a bit last night when she came out of
my office - she reads many of the emails]  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst

if not for women's suffrage, we wouldn't even need to worry about this freak
(or, for that matter, most of america's woes).  women vote solely based on
who they find sexually attractive and obama is a heck of a lot hotter than
mccain.  >>>


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rich Thomas]

(1) He *should* be a muslim per his "father's" choice of religion, but 
he has supposedly renounced or ignored that, so he is an apostate in the 
eyes of the true believers, and as such should be killed (per their 
beliefs).  I think that being an apostate is worse than being a dog, 
pig, or Jew, but I'm not sure on that fine point.  (I'll have to check 
the latest fatwas.)  Kindy scary, huh?

(2) Whether he used a Quran, a Bible, or a Sunday flyer from Walmart, it 
doesn't matter anyway -- he's a slick politician (not as slick as
BJ though) who will say and do whatever he needs to say and do to get 
someone's vote.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>
> Just curious.
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Mitch Haley]

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?

You asked a silly question, so last night I gave you a silly answer.
After sleeping on it, I decided to give you the serious version of why I might 
merely oppose the usual socialist candidates like HRC, but refuse to tolerate 
Barack Hussein Obama.

1. Whatever scum floats to the top of the leading cesspools of criminally 
corrupt politicians is automatically highly suspect. (New Orleans and Chicago 
occupy the top two spots on that list)

2. Any scum who wins his first election by having the other four candidates 
removed from the ballot is no longer suspect, his own actions have convicted 
him 
of treason against the principals behind our system of government. BHO is no 
more in favor of free elections than Robert Mugabe is, and that is enough to 
make him unsuited to hold office as the local dogcatcher.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[jfreezn]

Chuck,

DBR:  Destroy Before Reading, right?  You cryptics guys!!!

Jim

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Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 9:53 pm
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Hey Jim

It's easy  DBR

Chuck
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>
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> is an American!
>
>
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>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2008 7:28:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> How many  of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2)
> was sworn
> into his  Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hey Jim

It's easy  DBR

Chuck
Phoenix AZ also

On Jul 14, 2008, at 9:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> JEEEZUS, Kaleb!  How much of this do we have to put up with?
> After all, he
> is an American!
>
>
> Jim  Friesen
> Phoenix AZ
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>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2008 7:28:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> How many  of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2)  
> was sworn
> into his  Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Talk to Lt Wacko about it.

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>  
>  
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> In a message dated 7/14/2008 7:28:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> How many  of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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JEEEZUS, Kaleb!  How much of this do we have to put up with?   After all, he 
is an American!
 
 
Jim  Friesen
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

Mhh Oreos. Got Milk?

Rolf

Redghost wrote:
> The boy is an oreo.
>
> waspy bible thumper
>
> On 14 Jul 2008, at 19:28, Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>   
>> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2)  
>> was sworn
>> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Redghost]

The boy is an oreo.

waspy bible thumper

On 14 Jul 2008, at 19:28, Wonko the Sane wrote:

> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2)  
> was sworn
> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>
> Just curious.
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

Good answer!  Give the man a prize, Wonko!

At 10:10 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote:
>Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
> > into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>
>I think he's a devil worshiper and goes to baby eating parties with 
>Dick Daley.
>What's my prize?
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

Man... you guys are effed.

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Wonko the Sane wrote:
> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?

I think he's a devil worshiper and goes to baby eating parties with Dick
Daley.
What's my prize?

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Mitch Haley]

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?

I think he's a devil worshiper and goes to baby eating parties with Dick Daley.
What's my prize?

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Gary Hurst]

wow.  i didn't know that!

i just figured he was mainly about only criminals having guns, but you learn
something new every day.

if not for women's suffrage, we wouldn't even need to worry about this freak
(or, for that matter, most of america's woes).  women vote solely based on
who they find sexually attractive and obama is a heck of a lot hotter than
mccain.

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How many of you folks believe that Obama (1) is a Muslim and (2) was sworn
> into his Senate office with his hand on the Koran?
>
> Just curious.
>
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