Re: [MBZ] schooling
OK Don wrote: > The stupid stuff that happens in the schools is driven by the school boards, > who are elected by the parents - Don't forget money. Money buys a lot, but money can't buy me love. In the meantime, it can buy me a contract at the local school board doing some business, etc - all payola. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
Just because I was very interested in the success of my kids didn't make me the best one to teach them. While there are educators as you describe, I found them to be a very small minority in our kids public school expereinces - 4 kids over 22 years. The greatest barrier to learning was the kids whose parents had no interest in their kids learning anything, who held back the classes and were disruptive. The attitudes of the parents were directly reflected in the kids. The stupid stuff that happens in the schools is driven by the school boards, who are elected by the parents - On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > OK Don wrote: > > And resources - who's the tutor? > > The person(s) most interested in the success of the student. > Mass education does not provide that - educators are interested in a > paycheck and that is their primary objective - not education. > mao -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Right! Where are we going to get our future gang members??? ;-) On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, R A Bennell wrote: > But school is not just for the 3 R's. Children learn many things in school > that they will not learn in isolation. Social skills being foremost in my > mind at the moment. > > Randy -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
But school is not just for the 3 R's. Children learn many things in school that they will not learn in isolation. Social skills being foremost in my mind at the moment. Randy On 05/01/2011 4:40 PM, Mountain Man wrote: OK Don wrote: And resources - who's the tutor? The person(s) most interested in the success of the student. Mass education does not provide that - educators are interested in a paycheck and that is their primary objective - not education. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
OK Don wrote: > And resources - who's the tutor? The person(s) most interested in the success of the student. Mass education does not provide that - educators are interested in a paycheck and that is their primary objective - not education. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And not everybody needs that level of education, we do still need garbage collectors and the like. Aldus Huxley was right on that point... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:30:33 -0600 From: OK Don To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] schooling Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And resources - who's the tutor? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > OK Don wrote: > > Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their > > parents - > > I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to > mass > > schooling. > > The world's best and brightest have all been tutored. > It becomes a matter of objective - expensive, or best. > mao-- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
And resources - who's the tutor? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > OK Don wrote: > > Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their > > parents - > > I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to > mass > > schooling. > > The world's best and brightest have all been tutored. > It becomes a matter of objective - expensive, or best. > mao-- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
OK Don wrote: > Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their > parents - > I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to mass > schooling. The world's best and brightest have all been tutored. It becomes a matter of objective - expensive, or best. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their parents - I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to mass schooling. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > OK Don wrote: > > And probably the most expensive way to accomplish mass education... > > Tutoring is never mass education, therefore we can surmise that mass > education is a compromise to attain some objective. Dumb the plebes? > mao > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
OK Don wrote: > And probably the most expensive way to accomplish mass education... Tutoring is never mass education, therefore we can surmise that mass education is a compromise to attain some objective. Dumb the plebes? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And probably the most expensive way to accomplish mass education, plus the variation in quality of the tutors --- there is some value in standarization - the "degree" you receive is a measure of what you should have learned - so your future employer has some idea of what you might be capable of. At least in theory --- with automatic passing of everyone, there is no value in the "degree". On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > Tutoring has *always* been a preferred way to learn. > mao-- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RLE wrote: > How is this different from home schooling? Your children become clones of > yourself, then. I'm not sure this is a good thing. You are not wrong. However, 'education' today is attempted en masse rather than as Plato tutored his subjects. There is a bit more tailoring in each individual that can be accomplished, more flexibility in structure, capability to chase deeper understanding of things rather than move with the average student capability, etc. Tutoring has *always* been a preferred way to learn. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> ...Education is merely indoctrination - spit back what we told you and we > will let you out. There is zero innovation or invention nor science > and discover in what we call 'education' these days. > How is this different from home schooling? Your children become clones of yourself, then. I'm not sure this is a good thing. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
