Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
Rather than crawl under the Smartcar there is a lever for flipping it over turtle-like for easy access to the power train underneath... On 11/10/06, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, well Im old enough to crawl about with a flashlight looking for weirdness, and not old enough so like you that I have to worry about what 15 year old car I'll have in 20 years or so to peek at too. At some point here they'll stick stickers on the door and say void's warranty, no user servicable parts etc behind panel, and likely danger high voltage authorized personal only sooner than expected I'd guess. On 10-Nov-06, at 2:50 PM, R A Bennell wrote: I'm showing my age but I am old school enough to want to be able to open the hood and look around. I also do not buy new cars so it is usually a good idea for me to keep an eye on what is happening. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced Well if they are talking about oil changes every 12,000 miles, and service checks every 25,000 miles they are really into the consumer doesn't need to get access to the engine now. Most I guess will run until the idiot lamp (needs service) comes on, most interesting one is when water separator becomes full because local (low volume) diesel station is selling water infested diesel fuel, then engine stops Still it warns you, but people report warning versus stopping is iffy... I *belive* the new one is using different engines, not MB made, so I cann't comment on how they will work. Versus the weekly check on the two diesel with flashlight to see if anything odd (or leaking) is happening. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
http://www.clubsmartcar.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6445 gas engines at 61/71/84 (turbo) hp rated at 47 mpg diesel at 45hp, 3.5 liters/100Km say 68 mpg pricing starts at $11,000 usa Oh and new transmission and shift pattern etc to improve nasty shifting issues. Interesting to read Consumer reports test drive complaints then compare to reengineering done for this new vehicle. John 1983 300TDt 372k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
Don't ask to look under the hood. There isn't one. All servicing is done from under the car. Don't know if there is an oil dipstick somewhere. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced http://www.clubsmartcar.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6445 gas engines at 61/71/84 (turbo) hp rated at 47 mpg diesel at 45hp, 3.5 liters/100Km say 68 mpg pricing starts at $11,000 usa Oh and new transmission and shift pattern etc to improve nasty shifting issues. Interesting to read Consumer reports test drive complaints then compare to reengineering done for this new vehicle. John 1983 300TDt 372k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
Service interval is 40K km, with oil change every 20K km for the gas model. Having an oil dip stick is just asking for someone to ask were is the motor anyway, can't seem to get the front hood open... On 10-Nov-06, at 12:48 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Don't ask to look under the hood. There isn't one. All servicing is done from under the car. Don't know if there is an oil dipstick somewhere. Randy
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
R A Bennell wrote: Don't ask to look under the hood. There isn't one. All servicing is done from under the car. Don't know if there is an oil dipstick somewhere. Did you read the link? The new car is supposed to have a bonnet, along with a few other improvements, like a 5sp tranny (hopefully a taller top gear for cruising). Mitch
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
145K km, electronically limited, the chipping folks will have fun, also water cooled turbo, again someone will figure out upper boost limits. On 10-Nov-06, at 1:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: R A Bennell wrote: Don't ask to look under the hood. There isn't one. All servicing is done from under the car. Don't know if there is an oil dipstick somewhere. Did you read the link? The new car is supposed to have a bonnet, along with a few other improvements, like a 5sp tranny (hopefully a taller top gear for cruising). Mitch
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
No, I am in Canada. I just went down to the MB dealer and sat in one. Asked the salesman to open the hood and he said no can do. Showroom floor was nice and shiny clean so got down on my knees and had a look under. Maybe the gas version will be different. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced R A Bennell wrote: Don't ask to look under the hood. There isn't one. All servicing is done from under the car. Don't know if there is an oil dipstick somewhere. Did you read the link? The new car is supposed to have a bonnet, along with a few other improvements, like a 5sp tranny (hopefully a taller top gear for cruising). Mitch
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
R A Bennell wrote: No, I am in Canada. I just went down to the MB dealer and sat in one. From the discussion in the link posted earlier, it appears the 2008 models imported in USA will be a redesigned car. I wonder what that means for the resale value of the 2007 and earlier models?
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
Well assuming you sat in an old one, versus the one talked about in the press release the engine is located in the back under the hatch on the floor, the engine lurking there is the size of a large microwave. He could have shown you the dip stick and the oil filler cap. Perhaps he was confused when you mentioned Hood, you should have asked to see the engine. On 10-Nov-06, at 1:23 PM, R A Bennell wrote: No, I am in Canada. I just went down to the MB dealer and sat in one. Asked the salesman to open the hood and he said no can do. Showroom floor was nice and shiny clean so got down on my knees and had a look under. Maybe the gas version will be different. Randy
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
He did open the back hatch and lift a lid (if I recall correctly - it was months ago) on the floor but it was just a storage compartment. I did not ask about a dipstick but he did say it is designed to be serviced on a hoist from underneath. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced Well assuming you sat in an old one, versus the one talked about in the press release the engine is located in the back under the hatch on the floor, the engine lurking there is the size of a large microwave. He could have shown you the dip stick and the oil filler cap. Perhaps he was confused when you mentioned Hood, you should have asked to see the engine. On 10-Nov-06, at 1:23 PM, R A Bennell wrote: No, I am in Canada. I just went down to the MB dealer and sat in one. Asked the salesman to open the hood and he said no can do. Showroom floor was nice and shiny clean so got down on my knees and had a look under. Maybe the gas version will be different. Randy
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
They seem pretty popular here. I see them daily. Several used for advertising with decals and signs on them and some used for Pizza delivery etc. Also see people driving them that are obviously just driving like they would any other car. They are still unique enough that you notice them even if they are not a bright color. I saw a young woman driving one on Tuesday after lunch. It was black. I doubt if changes will affect the value of existing ones by much. Like any other car, used is used and prices will fall somewhat with age. There does not seem to be a shortage now as the dealer has a line of them on the lot. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced R A Bennell wrote: No, I am in Canada. I just went down to the MB dealer and sat in one. From the discussion in the link posted earlier, it appears the 2008 models imported in USA will be a redesigned car. I wonder what that means for the resale value of the 2007 and earlier models? ___
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
Well if they are talking about oil changes every 12,000 miles, and service checks every 25,000 miles they are really into the consumer doesn't need to get access to the engine now. Most I guess will run until the idiot lamp (needs service) comes on, most interesting one is when water separator becomes full because local (low volume) diesel station is selling water infested diesel fuel, then engine stops Still it warns you, but people report warning versus stopping is iffy... I *belive* the new one is using different engines, not MB made, so I cann't comment on how they will work. Versus the weekly check on the two diesel with flashlight to see if anything odd (or leaking) is happening. On 10-Nov-06, at 2:34 PM, R A Bennell wrote: He did open the back hatch and lift a lid (if I recall correctly - it was months ago) on the floor but it was just a storage compartment. I did not ask about a dipstick but he did say it is designed to be serviced on a hoist from underneath. Randy John 1983 300TDt 372k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
I'm showing my age but I am old school enough to want to be able to open the hood and look around. I also do not buy new cars so it is usually a good idea for me to keep an eye on what is happening. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced Well if they are talking about oil changes every 12,000 miles, and service checks every 25,000 miles they are really into the consumer doesn't need to get access to the engine now. Most I guess will run until the idiot lamp (needs service) comes on, most interesting one is when water separator becomes full because local (low volume) diesel station is selling water infested diesel fuel, then engine stops Still it warns you, but people report warning versus stopping is iffy... I *belive* the new one is using different engines, not MB made, so I cann't comment on how they will work. Versus the weekly check on the two diesel with flashlight to see if anything odd (or leaking) is happening. On 10-Nov-06, at 2:34 PM, R A Bennell wrote: He did open the back hatch and lift a lid (if I recall correctly - it was months ago) on the floor but it was just a storage compartment. I did not ask about a dipstick but he did say it is designed to be serviced on a hoist from underneath. Randy John 1983 300TDt 372k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced
Ok, well Im old enough to crawl about with a flashlight looking for weirdness, and not old enough so like you that I have to worry about what 15 year old car I'll have in 20 years or so to peek at too. At some point here they'll stick stickers on the door and say void's warranty, no user servicable parts etc behind panel, and likely danger high voltage authorized personal only sooner than expected I'd guess. On 10-Nov-06, at 2:50 PM, R A Bennell wrote: I'm showing my age but I am old school enough to want to be able to open the hood and look around. I also do not buy new cars so it is usually a good idea for me to keep an eye on what is happening. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] smart USA vehicle announced Well if they are talking about oil changes every 12,000 miles, and service checks every 25,000 miles they are really into the consumer doesn't need to get access to the engine now. Most I guess will run until the idiot lamp (needs service) comes on, most interesting one is when water separator becomes full because local (low volume) diesel station is selling water infested diesel fuel, then engine stops Still it warns you, but people report warning versus stopping is iffy... I *belive* the new one is using different engines, not MB made, so I cann't comment on how they will work. Versus the weekly check on the two diesel with flashlight to see if anything odd (or leaking) is happening.
