Re: [MBZ] Test

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This test was ungraded.  You may proceed.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 11:16 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> Yes, I know, I failed.
>
>
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>  '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
>  '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
>  '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
>  '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
>  '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
>  '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
>  '86 190E/2.3
>  '72 220/8
>  '61 Willys Utility Wagon
>  '59 Willys Utility Wagon
>  '67 Volkswagen Fastback
>  '64 190Dc  Emma
>  '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
>  '69 Lotus Europa
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[MBZ] Test

[Craig via Mercedes]

Yes, I know, I failed.



Craig

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 '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   230 kmi
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 '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi

   Past: '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo   354 kmi
 '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
 '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
 '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
 '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
 '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
 '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
 '86 190E/2.3
 '72 220/8
 '61 Willys Utility Wagon
 '59 Willys Utility Wagon
 '67 Volkswagen Fastback
 '64 190Dc  Emma
 '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
 '69 Lotus Europa
 '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
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Re: [MBZ] Test?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

All the right side of the country bubbas are in bed.

AZBob

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>> On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:01 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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>> List seems kinda dead?
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Re: [MBZ] Test?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Zzz

> On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:01 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> List seems kinda dead?
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[MBZ] Test?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

List seems kinda dead?


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You failed.

On 12/20/2021 4:50 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

test, mail getting bounced



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Re: [MBZ] Test PASS

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My emails to okiebenz were bouncing earlier, seemed to be a googs problem

--FT

On 12/20/21 5:52 PM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:

Get through?

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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Get through?

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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

test, mail getting bounced

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Re: [MBZ] Test

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Michael Esh has the same issue. Something tells me the problem is on the 
receiving end. Your email server probably thinks it's incoming spam and filters 
it before you see it.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Test

let's see if I get this from the list since I
haven't gotten any mail in days.

MG

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[MBZ] Test

[MG via Mercedes]

let's see if I get this from the list since I 
haven't gotten any mail in days.


MG

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Re: [MBZ] Test

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Manfred is having the same issue. Perhaps Kaleb is working on it.


Rick

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Cc: michael...@mac.com
Subject: [MBZ] Test

Not receiving any mail from from the list over the last week.

Michael E. Esh


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[MBZ] Test

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Not receiving any mail from from the list over the last week. 

Michael E. Esh


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Re: [MBZ] Test

[G Mann via Mercedes]

If you receive this, you have not yet been banned for violation of
community guidelines.. :))
If you do not receive this, listen for the jungle drums.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:09 PM MG via Mercedes 
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> I'm not getting any messages since the 19th. did
> the list crash?
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Re: [MBZ] Test

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Nope.


Rick

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I'm not getting any messages since the 19th. did
the list crash?

Manfred

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[MBZ] Test

[MG via Mercedes]

I'm not getting any messages since the 19th. did 
the list crash?


Manfred

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. Fail.


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Re: [MBZ] test

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On 2020-11-20 18:05, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Did I fail?


Yep.
I thought I was blocked from posting, then realized I hadn't gotten any 
messages from any list since this morning.


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Re: [MBZ] test

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Maybe an electron clot?


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> On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No idea, whatever it was they finally fixed it.
> 
>> On 11/20/2020 6:09 PM, Craig wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:05:53 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Did I fail?
>> Yup.
>> 
>> What was wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> --
>> Present: '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo   354 kmi
>>  '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   230 kmi
>>  (the Big Red Van, BRV)
>>  '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi
>> 
>>Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
>>  '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
>>  '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
>>  '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
>>  '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
>>  '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
>>  '86 190E/2.3
>>  '72 220/8
>>  '61 Willys Utility Wagon
>>  '59 Willys Utility Wagon
>>  '67 Volkswagen Fastback
>>  '64 190Dc  Emma
>>  '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
>>  '69 Lotus Europa
>>  '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
>>  '59 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No idea, whatever it was they finally fixed it.

On 11/20/2020 6:09 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:05:53 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:


Did I fail?

Yup.

What was wrong?




Craig

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  '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi

Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
  '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
  '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
  '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
  '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
  '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
  '86 190E/2.3
  '72 220/8
  '61 Willys Utility Wagon
  '59 Willys Utility Wagon
  '67 Volkswagen Fastback
  '64 190Dc  Emma
  '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
  '69 Lotus Europa
  '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:05:53 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Did I fail?

Yup.

What was wrong?




Craig

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 '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi

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 '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
 '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
 '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
 '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
 '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
 '86 190E/2.3
 '72 220/8
 '61 Willys Utility Wagon
 '59 Willys Utility Wagon
 '67 Volkswagen Fastback
 '64 190Dc  Emma
 '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
 '69 Lotus Europa
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Did I fail?


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Re: [MBZ] test

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:07:48 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You failed. (Kaleb is slow today).
> 
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 1:49 PM Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:

I actually sent the email

Wed, 1 Jan 2020 15:52:10 -0700

nearly 24 hours before the problem was fixed.


Craig

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You failed. (Kaleb is slow today).

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 1:49 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Craig
>
> --
> Present: '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo   354 kmi
>  '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   210 kmi
>  (the Big Red Van, BRV)
>  '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi
>
>Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
>  '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
>  '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
>  '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
>  '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
>  '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
>  '86 190E/2.3
>  '72 220/8
>  '61 Willys Utility Wagon
>  '59 Willys Utility Wagon
>  '67 Volkswagen Fastback
>  '64 190Dc  Emma
>  '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
>  '69 Lotus Europa
>  '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
>  '59 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Fail!~


Craig via Mercedes 
January 1, 2020 at 4:52 PM




Craig

--
Present: '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo 354 kmi
'89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville 210 kmi
(the Big Red Van, BRV)
'00 Kenworth W900 Helmut 943 kmi

Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo 265 kmi RIP
'07 Peterbilt 386 Bruno 885 kmi
'82 240D/3.0 Bluebell 286 kmi
'95 E320 Sebastian 135 kmi RIP
'94 E420 Oskar 127 kmi RIP
'87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
'86 190E/2.3
'72 220/8
'61 Willys Utility Wagon
'59 Willys Utility Wagon
'67 Volkswagen Fastback
'64 190Dc Emma
'72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
'69 Lotus Europa
'64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
'59 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce

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[Craig via Mercedes]

Craig

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 '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   210 kmi
 (the Big Red Van, BRV)
 '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi

   Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
 '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
 '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
 '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
 '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
 '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
 '86 190E/2.3
 '72 220/8
 '61 Willys Utility Wagon
 '59 Willys Utility Wagon
 '67 Volkswagen Fastback
 '64 190Dc  Emma
 '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
 '69 Lotus Europa
 '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
 '59 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce

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Re: [MBZ] test

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ahh!  There was a reason we called it Wizzta.    We advised everyone NOT 
to buy it.  It was also known as the Wizzta virus.


Wilton Strickland via Mercedes wrote on 8/24/19 2:11 PM:


OK, more on aardvark: When I started using new computer (VISTA) 10 or
12 years ago, I was having problem calling up or starting new
documents (blank page, etc.), so I started one with only "aardvark."
For years, then, I'd call up "aardvark," start whatever I wanted to
say and then save it as whatever necessary.

W




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[Wilton Strickland via Mercedes]

OK, more on aardvark: When I started using new computer (VISTA) 10 or
12 years ago, I was having problem calling up or starting new
documents (blank page, etc.), so I started one with only "aardvark."
For years, then, I'd call up "aardvark," start whatever I wanted to
say and then save it as whatever necessary.

W

-From: "Curley McLain via
Mercedes" 
To: "Wilton Strickland via Mercedes"
Cc: "Curley McLain"
Sent: Saturday August 24 2019 12:18:00PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] test

Awshucks! Using Project Aardvark to confuse the chicoms was more 
 interesting!

 Wilton Strickland via Mercedes wrote on 8/23/19 5:34 PM:
 >
 > After using new email system for coupla months, was not able to
 open
 > attachments. 'Thought I had found the "problem" and changed
 settings
 > to correct it. Sending the "aardvark" attachment was an easy way to
 > check it. It works. Nothing nefarious. No nuke codes passed.
 >
 > W
 >
 > -From: "Curt Raymond via
 > Mercedes"
 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
 > Cc: "Curt Raymond"
 > Sent: Thursday August 22 2019 8:42:25PM
 > Subject: Re: [MBZ] test
 >
 > When I was in college I worked for the IT group for one year. This
 was
 > one of the real old school IT groups where you had to kiss the ring
 > of
 > the boss etc.At the end of the school year they laid off my manager
 > which was a shame, the guy was great. The rest of us refused to
 kiss
 > the ring and were not re-hired the next year. Unfortunately for
 them
 > we had already penetrated the network and could do what we wanted.
 > We knew they were monitoring our email so we instituted strict
 > security protocols that included encrypting everything with PGP
 > (Pretty Good Privacy). The encryption scheme would take 1 line of
 > text
 > and turn it into a paragraph or a paragraph into a page etc. So the
 > amount of traffic stayed the same but the volume of each message
 > jumped dramatically.
 > It wasn't long before the 5 ringleaders (of which I was the least
 > technical but most scheming) were hauled in to account for
 ourselves.
 > They rolled out "We know you're up to something, we don't know what
 > but you better tell us or else!" We kept our mouths shut knowing
 > there
 > wasn't anything they could do to us, even if they could decrypt our
 > messages it was all mundane stuff like "What time is dinner?" any
 > actual scheming we did in person, off campus.
 > When I graduated the president of the college shook my hand for a
 > second longer than everybody else "I'm not sad to see you go." We
 > laughed, it was great.
 > -Curt
 >
 > On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes
 > wrote:
 >
 > No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them
 > something to
 > ponder ...
 >
 > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 >
 > > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your
 > conversations are
 > > being monitored in Beijing?
 > >
 >
 > --
 > OK Don
 >
 > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
 > to
 > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
 >
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://nationalpost.com/news/squadron-leader-john-hart-battle-of-britains-last-surviving-canadian-pilot-dies-at-102

On a similar note

Randy

On 23/08/2019 6:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Also, I was hoping that your "aardvark" word document was another story
from your career, miss those and I'm too frugal to buy the book.

Reminds me, this summer we traveled to Italy again, and one of the museums
we visited was in Castelforte, and covered the impact of WW2 in that area.
Very fierce fighting there between Germans and Allies (U.S. Army, Brits of
course, and French forces) along the Gustav line.  Reportedly more civilian
deaths caused by land mines than all casualties on both sides caused by the
hostilities.  A lady we know there in Italy was only about  3 months old
when her mother was killed by a mine, her father was already dead, and
there were no living relatives to care for her so she was raised an
orphan.  She visited the museum with us, and really enjoyed it.

The museum is run by a non-profit, all volunteers from the local community,
and they still are finding artifacts from the war.  While we were there,
they showed me a U.S. helmet that was remarkably well preserved, found that
day in a nearby river, where some GI had probably dropped it nearly 80
years ago.

The French forces were mostly recruited from their colonies in Africa, IIRC
they were Moroccan, and they had a terrible reputation for very fierce and
brutal fighting vs. the Germans and unfortunately also abusing the
civilians when they weren't fighting.  Abusing is putting a very kind face
on it.  They wore stripped tunics and white turbans, and the French
officers paid them a dollar per ear taken from a German.  More than a few
pictures of these soldiers on display, and they did indeed look pretty
rough and fierce.

There were pieces from a Spitfire that had crashed, which they traced back
to the pilot who had been flying at the time, pilot had bailed out safely
and continued fighting the rest of the war and just died about ten or
fifteen years ago.

They also had found the remains of a German solder, which they returned to
Germany.  The guy was just 17 when he died.  They had pictures from the
German officials who came to retrieve the remains, and pictures from his
burial ceremony in Germany, and some letters and such around that episode.
German dog tags back then didn't have a name, just a serial number, and
were made to easily break in half.  This was so that when a soldier died,
one half was collected for recording his death and the other half stayed
with the body.  This set of remains had the complete dog tag, so they knew
he was a MIA that could now be recognized as a KIA.

The place has a facebook site, but I don't know what that is.  They really
need a real website, but run on a shoe-string budget.

One section of the museum displays how the locals used the war refuse to
make things they needed.  Helmets got a hole punched in the top and made
into a hanging lamp, or had a handle riveted on and made into a pot.  Brass
shells from artillery made into flower vases or watering cans or decorated
to commemorate some event.  Uniforms where turned inside out so the liner
was displayed instead of the military pattern on the outside (German
mountain troop uniforms were best for this, they were designed to be
reversible, one side was a grey / black camo pattern, other side was white
to blend into snow).  There was a wedding dress using the white from that
type of uniform.
-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] test

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

interesting!

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 8/23/19 6:11 PM:

Also, I was hoping that your "aardvark" word document was another story
from your career, miss those and I'm too frugal to buy the book.

Reminds me, this summer we traveled to Italy again, and one of the museums
we visited was in Castelforte, and covered the impact of WW2 in that area.
Very fierce fighting there between Germans and Allies (U.S. Army, Brits of
course, and French forces) along the Gustav line.  Reportedly more civilian
deaths caused by land mines than all casualties on both sides caused by the
hostilities.  A lady we know there in Italy was only about  3 months old
when her mother was killed by a mine, her father was already dead, and
there were no living relatives to care for her so she was raised an
orphan.  She visited the museum with us, and really enjoyed it.

The museum is run by a non-profit, all volunteers from the local community,
and they still are finding artifacts from the war.  While we were there,
they showed me a U.S. helmet that was remarkably well preserved, found that
day in a nearby river, where some GI had probably dropped it nearly 80
years ago.

The French forces were mostly recruited from their colonies in Africa, IIRC
they were Moroccan, and they had a terrible reputation for very fierce and
brutal fighting vs. the Germans and unfortunately also abusing the
civilians when they weren't fighting.  Abusing is putting a very kind face
on it.  They wore stripped tunics and white turbans, and the French
officers paid them a dollar per ear taken from a German.  More than a few
pictures of these soldiers on display, and they did indeed look pretty
rough and fierce.

There were pieces from a Spitfire that had crashed, which they traced back
to the pilot who had been flying at the time, pilot had bailed out safely
and continued fighting the rest of the war and just died about ten or
fifteen years ago.

They also had found the remains of a German solder, which they returned to
Germany.  The guy was just 17 when he died.  They had pictures from the
German officials who came to retrieve the remains, and pictures from his
burial ceremony in Germany, and some letters and such around that episode.
German dog tags back then didn't have a name, just a serial number, and
were made to easily break in half.  This was so that when a soldier died,
one half was collected for recording his death and the other half stayed
with the body.  This set of remains had the complete dog tag, so they knew
he was a MIA that could now be recognized as a KIA.

The place has a facebook site, but I don't know what that is.  They really
need a real website, but run on a shoe-string budget.

One section of the museum displays how the locals used the war refuse to
make things they needed.  Helmets got a hole punched in the top and made
into a hanging lamp, or had a handle riveted on and made into a pot.  Brass
shells from artillery made into flower vases or watering cans or decorated
to commemorate some event.  Uniforms where turned inside out so the liner
was displayed instead of the military pattern on the outside (German
mountain troop uniforms were best for this, they were designed to be
reversible, one side was a grey / black camo pattern, other side was white
to blend into snow).  There was a wedding dress using the white from that
type of uniform.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:35 PM Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



 After using new email system for coupla months, was not able to
open
attachments. 'Thought I had found the "problem" and changed settings
to correct it. Sending the "aardvark" attachment was an easy way to
check it. It works. Nothing nefarious. No nuke codes passed.

 W




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Re: [MBZ] test

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Awshucks!   Using Project Aardvark to confuse the chicoms was more 
interesting!


Wilton Strickland via Mercedes wrote on 8/23/19 5:34 PM:


After using new email system for coupla months, was not able to open
attachments. 'Thought I had found the "problem" and changed settings
to correct it. Sending the "aardvark" attachment was an easy way to
check it. It works. Nothing nefarious. No nuke codes passed.

W

-From: "Curt Raymond via
Mercedes"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Cc: "Curt Raymond"
Sent: Thursday August 22 2019 8:42:25PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] test

When I was in college I worked for the IT group for one year. This was
  one of the real old school IT groups where you had to kiss the ring
of
  the boss etc.At the end of the school year they laid off my manager
  which was a shame, the guy was great. The rest of us refused to kiss
  the ring and were not re-hired the next year. Unfortunately for them
  we had already penetrated the network and could do what we wanted.
  We knew they were monitoring our email so we instituted strict
  security protocols that included encrypting everything with PGP
  (Pretty Good Privacy). The encryption scheme would take 1 line of
text
  and turn it into a paragraph or a paragraph into a page etc. So the
  amount of traffic stayed the same but the volume of each message
  jumped dramatically.
  It wasn't long before the 5 ringleaders (of which I was the least
  technical but most scheming) were hauled in to account for ourselves.
  They rolled out "We know you're up to something, we don't know what
  but you better tell us or else!" We kept our mouths shut knowing
there
  wasn't anything they could do to us, even if they could decrypt our
  messages it was all mundane stuff like "What time is dinner?" any
  actual scheming we did in person, off campus.
  When I graduated the president of the college shook my hand for a
  second longer than everybody else "I'm not sad to see you go." We
  laughed, it was great.
  -Curt

  On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes
  wrote:

  No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them
  something to
  ponder ...

  On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your
  conversations are
  > being monitored in Beijing?
  >

  --
  OK Don

  "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
  to
  pause and reflect." Mark Twain

  "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
  few who
  learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
  fence
  for themselves."

  WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
  2013 F150, 18 mpg
  2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
  1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

THAT'S GREAT STORY!

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 8/22/19 7:42 PM:

  When I was in college I worked for the IT group for one year. This was one of 
the real old school IT groups where you had to kiss the ring of the boss etc.At 
the end of the school year they laid off my manager which was a shame, the guy 
was great. The rest of us refused to kiss the ring and were not re-hired the 
next year. Unfortunately for them we had already penetrated the network and 
could do what we wanted.
We knew they were monitoring our email so we instituted strict security 
protocols that included encrypting everything with PGP (Pretty Good Privacy). 
The encryption scheme would take 1 line of text and turn it into a paragraph or 
a paragraph into a page etc. So the amount of traffic stayed the same but the 
volume of each message jumped dramatically.
It wasn't long before the 5 ringleaders (of which I was the least technical but most scheming) were 
hauled in to account for ourselves. They rolled out "We know you're up to something, we don't 
know what but you better tell us or else!" We kept our mouths shut knowing there wasn't 
anything they could do to us, even if they could decrypt our messages it was all mundane stuff like 
"What time is dinner?" any actual scheming we did in person, off campus.
When I graduated the president of the college shook my hand for a second longer than 
everybody else "I'm not sad to see you go." We laughed, it was great.
-Curt

 On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them something to

ponder ...





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Re: [MBZ] test

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Also, I was hoping that your "aardvark" word document was another story
from your career, miss those and I'm too frugal to buy the book.

Reminds me, this summer we traveled to Italy again, and one of the museums
we visited was in Castelforte, and covered the impact of WW2 in that area.
Very fierce fighting there between Germans and Allies (U.S. Army, Brits of
course, and French forces) along the Gustav line.  Reportedly more civilian
deaths caused by land mines than all casualties on both sides caused by the
hostilities.  A lady we know there in Italy was only about  3 months old
when her mother was killed by a mine, her father was already dead, and
there were no living relatives to care for her so she was raised an
orphan.  She visited the museum with us, and really enjoyed it.

The museum is run by a non-profit, all volunteers from the local community,
and they still are finding artifacts from the war.  While we were there,
they showed me a U.S. helmet that was remarkably well preserved, found that
day in a nearby river, where some GI had probably dropped it nearly 80
years ago.

The French forces were mostly recruited from their colonies in Africa, IIRC
they were Moroccan, and they had a terrible reputation for very fierce and
brutal fighting vs. the Germans and unfortunately also abusing the
civilians when they weren't fighting.  Abusing is putting a very kind face
on it.  They wore stripped tunics and white turbans, and the French
officers paid them a dollar per ear taken from a German.  More than a few
pictures of these soldiers on display, and they did indeed look pretty
rough and fierce.

There were pieces from a Spitfire that had crashed, which they traced back
to the pilot who had been flying at the time, pilot had bailed out safely
and continued fighting the rest of the war and just died about ten or
fifteen years ago.

They also had found the remains of a German solder, which they returned to
Germany.  The guy was just 17 when he died.  They had pictures from the
German officials who came to retrieve the remains, and pictures from his
burial ceremony in Germany, and some letters and such around that episode.
German dog tags back then didn't have a name, just a serial number, and
were made to easily break in half.  This was so that when a soldier died,
one half was collected for recording his death and the other half stayed
with the body.  This set of remains had the complete dog tag, so they knew
he was a MIA that could now be recognized as a KIA.

The place has a facebook site, but I don't know what that is.  They really
need a real website, but run on a shoe-string budget.

One section of the museum displays how the locals used the war refuse to
make things they needed.  Helmets got a hole punched in the top and made
into a hanging lamp, or had a handle riveted on and made into a pot.  Brass
shells from artillery made into flower vases or watering cans or decorated
to commemorate some event.  Uniforms where turned inside out so the liner
was displayed instead of the military pattern on the outside (German
mountain troop uniforms were best for this, they were designed to be
reversible, one side was a grey / black camo pattern, other side was white
to blend into snow).  There was a wedding dress using the white from that
type of uniform.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:35 PM Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> After using new email system for coupla months, was not able to
> open
> attachments. 'Thought I had found the "problem" and changed settings
> to correct it. Sending the "aardvark" attachment was an easy way to
> check it. It works. Nothing nefarious. No nuke codes passed.
>
> W
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Wilton,

Did you move to an all-new computer, or just upgrade the OS and/or the
email client?

I've still got Win7 on our home laptop, SWMBO is used to that and whichever
version of Outlook is on it (I think 13?), so I'm going to hold on to that
as long as possible to avoid hobbling her with learning a new tool.  I also
don't have much time to devote to that sort of thing.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:35 PM Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> After using new email system for coupla months, was not able to
> open
> attachments. 'Thought I had found the "problem" and changed settings
> to correct it. Sending the "aardvark" attachment was an easy way to
> check it. It works. Nothing nefarious. No nuke codes passed.
>
> W
>
> -From: "Curt Raymond via
> Mercedes"
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Cc: "Curt Raymond"
> Sent: Thursday August 22 2019 8:42:25PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] test
>
> When I was in college I worked for the IT group for one year. This was
>  one of the real old school IT groups where you had to kiss the ring
> of
>  the boss etc.At the end of the school year they laid off my manager
>  which was a shame, the guy was great. The rest of us refused to kiss
>  the ring and were not re-hired the next year. Unfortunately for them
>  we had already penetrated the network and could do what we wanted.
>  We knew they were monitoring our email so we instituted strict
>  security protocols that included encrypting everything with PGP
>  (Pretty Good Privacy). The encryption scheme would take 1 line of
> text
>  and turn it into a paragraph or a paragraph into a page etc. So the
>  amount of traffic stayed the same but the volume of each message
>  jumped dramatically.
>  It wasn't long before the 5 ringleaders (of which I was the least
>  technical but most scheming) were hauled in to account for ourselves.
>  They rolled out "We know you're up to something, we don't know what
>  but you better tell us or else!" We kept our mouths shut knowing
> there
>  wasn't anything they could do to us, even if they could decrypt our
>  messages it was all mundane stuff like "What time is dinner?" any
>  actual scheming we did in person, off campus.
>  When I graduated the president of the college shook my hand for a
>  second longer than everybody else "I'm not sad to see you go." We
>  laughed, it was great.
>  -Curt
>
>  On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them
>  something to
>  ponder ...
>
>  On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your
>  conversations are
>  > being monitored in Beijing?
>  >
>
>  --
>  OK Don
>
>  "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>  to
>  pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
>  "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
>  few who
>  learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>  fence
>  for themselves."
>
>  WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>  2013 F150, 18 mpg
>  2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>  1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Wilton Strickland via Mercedes]

After using new email system for coupla months, was not able to open
attachments. 'Thought I had found the "problem" and changed settings
to correct it. Sending the "aardvark" attachment was an easy way to
check it. It works. Nothing nefarious. No nuke codes passed.

W 

-From: "Curt Raymond via
Mercedes" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Cc: "Curt Raymond"
Sent: Thursday August 22 2019 8:42:25PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] test

When I was in college I worked for the IT group for one year. This was
 one of the real old school IT groups where you had to kiss the ring
of
 the boss etc.At the end of the school year they laid off my manager
 which was a shame, the guy was great. The rest of us refused to kiss
 the ring and were not re-hired the next year. Unfortunately for them
 we had already penetrated the network and could do what we wanted.
 We knew they were monitoring our email so we instituted strict
 security protocols that included encrypting everything with PGP
 (Pretty Good Privacy). The encryption scheme would take 1 line of
text
 and turn it into a paragraph or a paragraph into a page etc. So the
 amount of traffic stayed the same but the volume of each message
 jumped dramatically.
 It wasn't long before the 5 ringleaders (of which I was the least
 technical but most scheming) were hauled in to account for ourselves.
 They rolled out "We know you're up to something, we don't know what
 but you better tell us or else!" We kept our mouths shut knowing
there
 wasn't anything they could do to us, even if they could decrypt our
 messages it was all mundane stuff like "What time is dinner?" any
 actual scheming we did in person, off campus.
 When I graduated the president of the college shook my hand for a
 second longer than everybody else "I'm not sad to see you go." We
 laughed, it was great.
 -Curt

 On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

 No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them
 something to
 ponder ...

 On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your
 conversations are
 > being monitored in Beijing?
 >

 -- 
 OK Don

 "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
 to
 pause and reflect." Mark Twain

 "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
 few who
 learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
 fence
 for themselves."

 WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
 2013 F150, 18 mpg
 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 When I was in college I worked for the IT group for one year. This was one of 
the real old school IT groups where you had to kiss the ring of the boss etc.At 
the end of the school year they laid off my manager which was a shame, the guy 
was great. The rest of us refused to kiss the ring and were not re-hired the 
next year. Unfortunately for them we had already penetrated the network and 
could do what we wanted.
We knew they were monitoring our email so we instituted strict security 
protocols that included encrypting everything with PGP (Pretty Good Privacy). 
The encryption scheme would take 1 line of text and turn it into a paragraph or 
a paragraph into a page etc. So the amount of traffic stayed the same but the 
volume of each message jumped dramatically.
It wasn't long before the 5 ringleaders (of which I was the least technical but 
most scheming) were hauled in to account for ourselves. They rolled out "We 
know you're up to something, we don't know what but you better tell us or 
else!" We kept our mouths shut knowing there wasn't anything they could do to 
us, even if they could decrypt our messages it was all mundane stuff like "What 
time is dinner?" any actual scheming we did in person, off campus.
When I graduated the president of the college shook my hand for a second longer 
than everybody else "I'm not sad to see you go." We laughed, it was great.
-Curt

On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them something to
ponder ...

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What's the hidden meaning, Wilton?  Are you afraid your conversations are
> being monitored in Beijing?
>


-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

How can that be safe at highway speeds?

-D


> On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ROFL.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:02 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them something to
> ponder ...
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton?  Are you afraid your conversations are
> > being monitored in Beijing?
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them something to
ponder ...

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What's the hidden meaning, Wilton?  Are you afraid your conversations are
> being monitored in Beijing?
>


-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What's the hidden meaning, Wilton?  Are you afraid your conversations are
being monitored in Beijing?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:46 PM Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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>
> Yep, & I got it.
>
> W
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[Wilton Strickland via Mercedes]

Yep, & I got it.

W
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[Wilton Strickland via Mercedes]

Passed

W

-From: "Wilton Strickland via
Mercedes" 
To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com"
Cc: "Wilton Strickland"
Sent: Thursday August 22 2019 2:35:24PM
Subject: [MBZ] test

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe it's a hidden message?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Aardvark to you too!
>
> Randy
>
> On 22/08/2019 1:35 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes wrote:
> > W
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Aardvark to you too!

Randy

On 22/08/2019 1:35 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes wrote:

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[Wilton Strickland via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Take a gander at the mapz of Goog.  The town is a literal residential dead end. 
 Maybe that is the new thing, but I come from a world were streets line up in 
some manner and you are able to get to other places from here.  ANC has few 
residential roads that are not dead ends.  Subsections and lost tails into the 
wilderness.  

One neighborhood is built up in an old gravel mine, which is maybe 10 meters 
below grade.  A rather deep bowl that will fill with Home Depot houses and will 
flood in a 100 year downpour

clay

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Next major earthquake will take care of all this.
> 
> -D

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Next major earthquake will take care of all this.

-D


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My morning constitutionals around the neighborhoods bears this out for ANC.  
> There is a short construction season, but even the $500k homes are built with 
> low-end big-box store bargain materials.  The temps swung from below -40c to 
> over +30c this past year.  The use of rebar or steel mat in concrete is rare. 
>  Foundations are cinderblock and pressure treated in contact with soil and no 
> waterproofing.  PEX and ABS plumbing, 14 or 16 gauge wire, T-111 siding over 
> damp MDF sheeting and double pane vinyl windows.  At least they do tyvek wrap 
> the shell.  I get a giant grin out of the massive decks flying off the upper 
> stories of these boxes supported on 16 foot 4x4 posts holding up 2x4 pressure 
> treated joists
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 7:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sloppy construction
>> 
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 7:22 PM:
>>> It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is 
>>> minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to 
>>> run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat 
>>> out and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

My morning constitutionals around the neighborhoods bears this out for ANC.  
There is a short construction season, but even the $500k homes are built with 
low-end big-box store bargain materials.  The temps swung from below -40c to 
over +30c this past year.  The use of rebar or steel mat in concrete is rare.  
Foundations are cinderblock and pressure treated in contact with soil and no 
waterproofing.  PEX and ABS plumbing, 14 or 16 gauge wire, T-111 siding over 
damp MDF sheeting and double pane vinyl windows.  At least they do tyvek wrap 
the shell.  I get a giant grin out of the massive decks flying off the upper 
stories of these boxes supported on 16 foot 4x4 posts holding up 2x4 pressure 
treated joists

clay

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 7:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sloppy construction
> 
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 7:22 PM:
>> It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is 
>> minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to 
>> run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat 
>> out and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Already got mine. State of Florida Miami-Dade building code approved. Not 
cheap. Been up there for 2-3 years now and still working great.

Thanks!

-D


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have new solar powered attic fans for sale in the south.  I can make you a 
> deal  on them. They are not cheapos.  THey are the best available AFIK.  
> Rated for hurricane, good warranty, etc.  The ones I installed in the south 9 
> yrs ago are still in great shape.   1500 to 2000 sq ft should have 3.  I'm 
> not sure how big your house is, but I am guessing in that range.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 8:08 PM:
>> My former next door neighbor is a “forensic HVAC investigator”. In other 
>> words, he works for insurance companies, identifying the part HVAC systems 
>> play in losses their insureds encounter. I had been talking to him about 
>> putting a solar powered attic fan in the house to get the attic temperatures 
>> down. He told me that before I did anything like that I should seal the 
>> “envelope” as tightly as I possibly could.
>> 
>> Seems that people will go and put an attic fan in, thinking it will reduce 
>> the heat load on the living space by making the attic cooler. In reality, 
>> what often happens (according to him) is that the attic fan creates a 
>> negative pressure in the attic, which sucks conditioned air out of the 
>> living space through all the little racks and gaps that exist in every 
>> house. As a result, costs to condition the living space often go up after 
>> doing this, not down.
>> 
>> So he cautioned me to seal up the house as best I could and then put an 
>> attic fan in, as long as the attic is properly ventilated (which is already 
>> was.)
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and 
>>> wallboard joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for 
>>> wiring, etc.  Made a big difference. The interior walls act like chimneys 
>>> and pull air in from the outside. The results are amazing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:37 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
>>> 
>>> Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the 
>>> house when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or 
>>> penetration in the walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done 
>>> afterwards and the guy said it was one of the tightest homes he had ever 
>>> tested. Definitely cut a good 10%-15% on our cooling costs.
>>> 
>>> There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
>>> openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
>>> like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.
>>> 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sloppy construction

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 7:22 PM:

It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is minimal. 
I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I 
suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool 
in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message

No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D



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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

When we built our house in TN we insulated the  hell out of  it.  R squared

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 9:42 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> At one point in one of the southern states there was a legal limit to the
> amount of insulation a home was allowed to have. I don't remember why but
> there was some outrage over it...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 8:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   It always puzzled me why in southern
> climates the use of insulation is minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub
> zero temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I suppose air infiltration is
> an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool in. Cost recovery too
> long perhaps?
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
>
> No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.
>
> Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved
> nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably
> do it now.
>
> -D
>
>
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

At one point in one of the southern states there was a legal limit to the 
amount of insulation a home was allowed to have. I don't remember why but there 
was some outrage over it...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 8:23 PM, Rick Knoble via 
Mercedes wrote:   It always puzzled me why in southern 
climates the use of insulation is minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero 
temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue 
too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message

No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D



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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Exactly.  Also, add-on fans can disrupt the normal "eves-to-ridge" thermosiphon 
that's supposed to ventilate the attic.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 9:08 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> 
> My former next door neighbor is a “forensic HVAC investigator”. In other
> words, he works for insurance companies, identifying the part HVAC systems
> play in losses their insureds encounter. I had been talking to him about 
> putting
> a solar powered attic fan in the house to get the attic temperatures down. He
> told me that before I did anything like that I should seal the “envelope” as
> tightly as I possibly could.
> 
> Seems that people will go and put an attic fan in, thinking it will reduce the
> heat load on the living space by making the attic cooler. In reality, what 
> often
> happens (according to him) is that the attic fan creates a negative pressure 
> in
> the attic, which sucks conditioned air out of the living space through all the
> little racks and gaps that exist in every house. As a result, costs to 
> condition the
> living space often go up after doing this, not down.
> 
> So he cautioned me to seal up the house as best I could and then put an attic
> fan in, as long as the attic is properly ventilated (which is already was.)
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and 
> > wallboard
> joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for wiring, etc.  
> Made a big
> difference. The interior walls act like chimneys and pull air in from the 
> outside.
> The results are amazing.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: July 20, 2019 7:37 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> >
> > Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the
> house when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration
> in the walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy
> said it was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a 
> good
> 10%-15% on our cooling costs.
> >
> > There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the
> openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around
> things like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.
> >
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My former next door neighbor is a “forensic HVAC investigator”. In other words, 
he works for insurance companies, identifying the part HVAC systems play in 
losses their insureds encounter. I had been talking to him about putting a 
solar powered attic fan in the house to get the attic temperatures down. He 
told me that before I did anything like that I should seal the “envelope” as 
tightly as I possibly could.

Seems that people will go and put an attic fan in, thinking it will reduce the 
heat load on the living space by making the attic cooler. In reality, what 
often happens (according to him) is that the attic fan creates a negative 
pressure in the attic, which sucks conditioned air out of the living space 
through all the little racks and gaps that exist in every house. As a result, 
costs to condition the living space often go up after doing this, not down.

So he cautioned me to seal up the house as best I could and then put an attic 
fan in, as long as the attic is properly ventilated (which is already was.)

-D

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and wallboard 
> joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for wiring, etc.  
> Made a big difference. The interior walls act like chimneys and pull air in 
> from the outside. The results are amazing.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:37 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> 
> Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the 
> house when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration 
> in the walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy 
> said it was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a 
> good 10%-15% on our cooling costs.
> 
> There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
> openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
> like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.
> 
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and wallboard 
joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for wiring, etc.  Made 
a big difference. The interior walls act like chimneys and pull air in from the 
outside. The results are amazing.


Rick

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Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the house 
when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration in the 
walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy said it 
was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a good 10%-15% 
on our cooling costs.

There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the house 
when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration in the 
walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy said it 
was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a good 10%-15% 
on our cooling costs.

There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.

-D


> On Jul 20, 2019, at 8:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is 
> minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to 
> run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out 
> and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> 
> No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.
> 
> Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
> nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably 
> do it now.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is minimal. 
I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I 
suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool 
in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?


Rick

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No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D



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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D


> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check for insulation in the ceiling too, often they don't put in any for an 
> attached garage (which is silly, why would you want a roasting hot garage 
> next the the house?).
> 
> My brother put some in his a couple years ago, and it drops the summer temp 
> quite a bit, and the washer doesn't freeze anymore in the winter.
> 
> Insulating the door is a great idea, it's not very expensive and does quite a 
> bit to cool it off, especially if it faces south or west.
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> They make 'indestructible' model aircraft out of EPP (expanded
> polypropylene?). Blue board is EPS, polystyrene, styrofoam. When you
> squish it it doesn't bounce back.

That's why I said it was fragile. It tears, too.


Craig

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> On July 20, 2019 at 7:47 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>  
> Would some rigid board insulation be suitable? I'm thinking the blue Dow
> styrofoam boards would be too fragile, but I have in the past seen some
> which was tougher than that and even more flexible. I do not, however,
> recall what it was called.
> 

They make 'indestructible' model aircraft out of EPP (expanded polypropylene?).
Blue board is EPS, polystyrene, styrofoam. When you squish it it doesn't bounce 
back.

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:28:11 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Check for insulation in the ceiling too, often they don't put in any
> for an attached garage (which is silly, why would you want a roasting
> hot garage next the the house?).
> 
> My brother put some in his a couple years ago, and it drops the summer
> temp quite a bit, and the washer doesn't freeze anymore in the winter.

When we lived in Austin, Texas, I helped our landlord put insulation in
the garage's ceiling. Like your brother, Peter, we found it was quite
helpful.


> Insulating the door is a great idea, it's not very expensive and does
> quite a bit to cool it off, especially if it faces south or west.

Would some rigid board insulation be suitable? I'm thinking the blue Dow
styrofoam boards would be too fragile, but I have in the past seen some
which was tougher than that and even more flexible. I do not, however,
recall what it was called.


Craig

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:11:49 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If I insulated my garage door it would probably be even better, as a
> LOT of heat passes through it. I can stand by it late in the afternoon
> with the garage AC on and feel the higher temperatures within a foot or
> two of it.

It does sound like it's time for some insulation!

Our Big Room is insulated, but it heats up quite noticably during the day
while the Long Room, where we live, stays cool. I'm thinking the
translucent "skylights" are a significant contributor to that.

At night, it's the reverse, so I open the door between the rooms to let
the cooler air from the Big Room flow into the Long Room.


Craig

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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Check for insulation in the ceiling too, often they don't put in any for an 
attached garage (which is silly, why would you want a roasting hot garage next 
the the house?).

My brother put some in his a couple years ago, and it drops the summer temp 
quite a bit, and the washer doesn't freeze anymore in the winter.

Insulating the door is a great idea, it's not very expensive and does quite a 
bit to cool it off, especially if it faces south or west.
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just snagged the biggest window unit (12,000 BTU?) I could off of Craigslist 
and popped it in the window. I had to run a circuit over to that side of the 
garage from my distribution panel which is on the opposite wall of the garage 
and add a breaker to the panel.

I have an slightly oversize two car garage. In 90 degree heat like today, I had 
the boy roll his car in about 9:00 am and turn on the AC. By 10:00 it was 
pretty comfortable. It’s not so much the temp, but taking the humidity out 
really makes it so, so much better. Otherwise we would be sweating our brains 
out and soaking wet.

My electric bill is getting hammered by it, but I don’t care. I noticed that my 
bill was up to $190 for last month, but considering the time of year and the 
amount of time I ran the thing I’m not at all unhappy. Without the garage AC I 
think the bill would have been more in the $160-$170 range, so $20-$30 is a 
small price to pay for making it possible to work in the garage this time of 
year without being totally miserable.

If I insulated my garage door it would probably be even better, as a LOT of 
heat passes through it. I can stand by it late in the afternoon with the garage 
AC on and feel the higher temperatures within a foot or two of it.

-D

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> On July 20, 2019 2:46:30 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
>> 
>> Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made
>> working on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On July 20, 2019 2:46:30 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
>
>Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made
>working on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> It has been creeping around 20c the past few days in ANC.  Still a
>bit too warm for the boys and girls fighting wildfires.  Today will be
>a stretch to make 15c and that will bring more smoke?  Not sure how
>that functions.  No cars to work on, little in the way of yard to screw
>with, been rather moist in SEA, so I will probably have tall grass to
>mow when I return in a week.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m
>probably not going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow
>> 
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > On July 20, 2019 at 4:09 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 95°F
> > 
> > Humidity13%
> > Wind Speed  Calm
> > Barometer   30.11 in
> > Dewpoint37°F (3°C)
> 
> I'd rather have 95 with 37 dewpoint than 92 with 80 dewpoint.


From http://www.shorstmeyer.com/wxfaqs/humidity/humidity.html

Dew Point Relative Humidity
Temp. F   Human PerceptionFor Air Temp 90 F   

75+Extremely uncomfortable, oppressive62%

70 - 74Very Humid, quite uncomfortable52% - 60%

65 - 69Somewhat uncomfortable for most people
   at upper limit 44% - 52%

60 - 64OK for most, but everyone perceives37% - 46%
   the humidity at upper limit

55 - 59Comfortable31% - 41%

50 - 54Very comfortable   31% - 37%

49 or lowerFeels like the western US  30%
   a bit dry to some


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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 20, 2019 at 4:09 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 95°F
> 
> Humidity  13%
> Wind SpeedCalm
> Barometer 30.11 in
> Dewpoint  37°F (3°C)

I'd rather have 95 with 37 dewpoint than 92 with 80 dewpoint.

Mitch

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:46:30 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
> 
> Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made
> working on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.


Current conditions at
Moriarty Municipal Airport (K0E0)
Lat: 34.98°N  Lon: 106°W   Elev: 6178ft.

Fair

95°F

Humidity13%
Wind Speed  Calm
Barometer   30.11 in
Dewpoint37°F (3°C)
Visibility  10.00 mi
Heat Index  90°F (32°C)
Last update 20 Jul 1:55 pm MDT 


I'm working on the E300D in the Big Room ...


Craig

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.

When everyone around here is complaining about how hot and humid it is, I’m 
wondering how it’s any worse that when I was a kid growing up in the Midwest.

Central Indiana in the mid to late summer was just this bad, so humid it was 
like getting poured into a bucket. And when we were working in August in the 
field, like baling hay, we were wearing jeans and long sleeved shirts! I can 
even begin to describe what it was like working in greenhouses during that time 
of year, especially when we were closed up tight and sterilizing the beds with 
live steam...

I will say that it did cool down somewhat at night, but the days were just as 
blistering hot and humid as they are now.

-D

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> that is just a normal summer day for most of the country.  I don't know what 
> all the whining is about.  105, Yeah, I'd whine too.   But yesterday was 
> around 90 in WI and NWS sent out warnings that sounded like it had never been 
> 90  in central WI before!   Normal is "abnormal"   abnormal is "normal" 
> Antifacist is facist  someone or some people is/are trying to turn everything 
> upside down.   Read Dr. Zhivago.   (its not in the movie)
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 1:46 PM:
>> Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
>> 
>> Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made working 
>> on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that is just a normal summer day for most of the country.  I don't know 
what all the whining is about.  105, Yeah, I'd whine too.   But 
yesterday was around 90 in WI and NWS sent out warnings that sounded 
like it had never been 90  in central WI before!   Normal is 
"abnormal"   abnormal is "normal" Antifacist is facist  someone or some 
people is/are trying to turn everything upside down.   Read Dr. 
Zhivago.   (its not in the movie)


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 1:46 PM:

Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.

Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made working on 
the E300D this morning a real pleasure.

-D




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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.

Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made working on 
the E300D this morning a real pleasure.

-D


> On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It has been creeping around 20c the past few days in ANC.  Still a bit too 
> warm for the boys and girls fighting wildfires.  Today will be a stretch to 
> make 15c and that will bring more smoke?  Not sure how that functions.  No 
> cars to work on, little in the way of yard to screw with, been rather moist 
> in SEA, so I will probably have tall grass to mow when I return in a week.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m probably not 
>> going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow
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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

It has been creeping around 20c the past few days in ANC.  Still a bit too warm 
for the boys and girls fighting wildfires.  Today will be a stretch to make 15c 
and that will bring more smoke?  Not sure how that functions.  No cars to work 
on, little in the way of yard to screw with, been rather moist in SEA, so I 
will probably have tall grass to mow when I return in a week.


clay

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m probably not 
> going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow

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Steve ran his Metz-Weiss semi-diesel this morning, big fun preheating that at 
90F in the barn...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 7:57 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:  
 After today we've got several days of highs in the 70s and lows in the 50s.
But I'm guessing that won't hit you until Monday. 
Mitch. 
> On July 20, 2019 at 7:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run 
> the Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at 
> 90F...
> 
> Curt
>
  
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[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Here in the PNW temps are in the 50s. This week it will be clear skies with 
lows in the 50s and highs in the 80s. Perfect!

Greg

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We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run the 
Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at 90F...

Curt

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-D


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> On July 20, 2019 at 10:24 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I want to move in with Mitch right away. Where are you, Mitch?

94°F today, cold front coming soon.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/charlotte-mi/48813/hourly-weather-forecast/21250_pc

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It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m probably not 
going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow 

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> On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 92F here already.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 7:39 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run
>> the Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at
>> 90F...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>  On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 7:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Just Checking…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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You failed. 

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I had to use the heater on Thursday.

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I want to move in with Mitch right away. Where are you, Mitch?

Andrew in sweltering DC.

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> 92F here already.
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92F here already.

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> We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run
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> 90F...
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I didn’t drive the $500E300 to KY yesterday like I had planned to do 

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After today we've got several days of highs in the 70s and lows in the 50s.
But I'm guessing that won't hit you until Monday. 
Mitch. 
> On July 20, 2019 at 7:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
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We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run the 
Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at 90F...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
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Just Checking…

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Re: [MBZ] Test of Adhesives

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Cool video of aircraft carriers and planes, but no JB Weld.

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> Here's a test of various adhesives on various substrates with very
> interesting results!  Wait til you see how JB Weld does with ceramic tile!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgdfGDfuW24
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[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Here's a test of various adhesives on various substrates with very 
interesting results!  Wait til you see how JB Weld does with ceramic tile!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgdfGDfuW24

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DID YOU DO A FANNIE FLAGG?

--R
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> On Jul 8, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
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> Went canoeing down the Potomac be,ow Great Falls and we didn't capsize, 
> although we were stuck on a boulder at Stubblefield Falls for a minute or two.
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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>> As my granddaddy would say, “ too much to mow, not enough to farm” 
>> 
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[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Curley.
No. It is not "such fun" of "what fun", it is amusing or diverting!
Fred.
(Cold Comfort Farm)

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> canoeing in a cesspool!  What fun!   (or should that be what fun?)
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
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>> Went canoeing down the Potomac be,ow Great Falls and we didn't capsize,
>> although we were stuck on a boulder at Stubblefield Falls for a minute or
>> two.
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On 10/07/2018 1:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew replying to a totally unrelated thread


The Potomac supplies our drinking water!

That explains a LOT.

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On 10/07/2018 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The Potomac supplies our drinking water!



That might well explain the often odd behaviour of the folks who hang 
around in DC.


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Andrew replying to a totally unrelated thread

>The Potomac supplies our drinking water!

That explains a LOT. 

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The Potomac supplies our drinking water!

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> Mine is 33hp has bucket or forks on the front for light lifting.If I need
> to lift more all I have to do is use the old 125C track loader it is still
> able to do a bit of work.  I have an  8' flail mower for the tractor and
> that's just about right for the mowing part and a 6' bushhog is good for
> the heavier stuff when I want to knock the woods back a bit.
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>> Maybe, you just need a bigger tractor?
>>
>> RB
>>
>> On 09/07/2018 4:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Ain't that the truth. Still, makes for a nice quiet place to live.
>>>
>>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 As my granddaddy would say, “ too much to mow, not enough to farm”
 --R
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[MG via Mercedes]

Mine is 33hp has bucket or forks on the front 
for light lifting.If I need to lift more all 
I have to do is use the old 125C track loader 
it is still able to do a bit of work.  I have 
an  8' flail mower for the tractor and that's 
just about right for the mowing part and a 6' 
bushhog is good for the heavier stuff when I 
want to knock the woods back a bit.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe, you just need a bigger tractor?

RB

On 09/07/2018 4:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Ain't that the truth. Still, makes for a nice quiet place to live.

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

As my granddaddy would say, “ too much to mow, not enough to farm”
--R
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On Jul 8, 2018, at 4:48 PM, MG via Mercedes  
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Spent 5 hours on the tractor mowing the lawn.

MG

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canoeing in a cesspool!  What fun!   (or should that be what fun?)

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Went canoeing down the Potomac be,ow Great Falls and we didn't capsize,
although we were stuck on a boulder at Stubblefield Falls for a minute or
two.




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Maybe, you just need a bigger tractor?

RB

On 09/07/2018 4:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Ain't that the truth. Still, makes for a nice quiet place to live.

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

As my granddaddy would say, “ too much to mow, not enough to farm”
--R
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On Jul 8, 2018, at 4:48 PM, MG via Mercedes  
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Spent 5 hours on the tractor mowing the lawn.

MG

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Ain't that the truth. Still, makes for a nice 
quiet place to live.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
As my granddaddy would say, “ too much to mow, not enough to farm” 


--R
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On Jul 8, 2018, at 4:48 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

Spent 5 hours on the tractor mowing the lawn.

MG

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I have been searching CL for a few examples to tempt a guy I know from work.  
He has a 190E I have been helping him with.  He has a buddy who wants to get 
into tri star cars, so I am compiling a lust list.


clay 

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> Just crawled out from under my car.,
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Went canoeing down the Potomac be,ow Great Falls and we didn't capsize,
although we were stuck on a boulder at Stubblefield Falls for a minute or
two.

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As my granddaddy would say, “ too much to mow, not enough to farm” 

--R
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