Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
The 82 on 240D's had a flap of some sort right at the throat of the intake that is not like the older 115 style. Marshall Booth wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:37:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, You are referring to the system used on the 115 body earlier Mercedes. Mac's 82 240D does not use the same system. 123 240Ds with M-injection pumps (pneumatic governor) have a throttle plate while those with MW injection pumps (mechanical governor) do not. The 615, 616 and 617.91 engine manual describes both systems. The US delivered 123.123s (240Ds) I've paid attention to had MW pumps, but that's not clear in the literature I've examined that only engines with MW pumps were imported and there are all of the gray market 123s that have been brought in. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
And if it's been removed? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 82 on 240D's had a flap of some sort right at the throat of the intake that is not like the older 115 style. Marshall Booth wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:37:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, You are referring to the system used on the 115 body earlier Mercedes. Mac's 82 240D does not use the same system. 123 240Ds with M-injection pumps (pneumatic governor) have a throttle plate while those with MW injection pumps (mechanical governor) do not. The 615, 616 and 617.91 engine manual describes both systems. The US delivered 123.123s (240Ds) I've paid attention to had MW pumps, but that's not clear in the literature I've examined that only engines with MW pumps were imported and there are all of the gray market 123s that have been brought in. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
heck if I know. I need to take some pics of one I have so people will know what we are talking about. Steve MacSween wrote: And if it's been removed? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 82 on 240D's had a flap of some sort right at the throat of the intake that is not like the older 115 style. Marshall Booth wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:37:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, You are referring to the system used on the 115 body earlier Mercedes. Mac's 82 240D does not use the same system. 123 240Ds with M-injection pumps (pneumatic governor) have a throttle plate while those with MW injection pumps (mechanical governor) do not. The 615, 616 and 617.91 engine manual describes both systems. The US delivered 123.123s (240Ds) I've paid attention to had MW pumps, but that's not clear in the literature I've examined that only engines with MW pumps were imported and there are all of the gray market 123s that have been brought in. Marshall ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
I have seen them on 82 and up, but have no idea what its for. So I guess I am no help. Steve MacSween wrote: Inspecting one of my '82 240Ds today, I realized it has a flap in its inlet like a throttle plate, actuated from rods from the go pedal linkage. I remember discussion of this a while back but I paid no attention as I thought I read it was on w115 240Ds only. Can anyone explain why it's there and what it does? The other car seems to have had one, at least part of the linkage for one is there (and it's the same year), but no longer does. Thanks Mac Aylmer, Quebec '60 220s / '82 240d (x2) / '82 300sd '75 Volvo 164e ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:37:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, You are referring to the system used on the 115 body earlier Mercedes. Mac's 82 240D does not use the same system. 123 240Ds with M-injection pumps (pneumatic governor) have a throttle plate while those with MW injection pumps (mechanical governor) do not. The 615, 616 and 617.91 engine manual describes both systems. The US delivered 123.123s (240Ds) I've paid attention to had MW pumps, but that's not clear in the literature I've examined that only engines with MW pumps were imported and there are all of the gray market 123s that have been brought in. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
Steve MacSween wrote: Inspecting one of my '82 240Ds today, I realized it has a flap in its inlet like a throttle plate, actuated from rods from the go pedal linkage. I remember discussion of this a while back but I paid no attention as I thought I read it was on w115 240Ds only. Can anyone explain why it's there and what it does? The other car seems to have had one, at least part of the linkage for one is there (and it's the same year), but no longer does. The throttle plate is used to control vacuum that is used with SOME injection pumps to control fuel quantity - especially at idle. In those engines if the intake manifold leaks (vacuum drops), idle speed increases. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
In a message dated 10/20/2005 9:08:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Inspecting one of my '82 240Ds today, I realized it has a flap in its inlet like a throttle plate, actuated from rods from the go pedal linkage. I remember discussion of this a while back but I paid no attention as I thought I read it was on w115 240Ds only. Can anyone explain why it's there and what it does? The other car seems to have had one, at least part of the linkage for one is there (and it's the same year), but no longer does. Mac, There is a venturi in the flap area which generates a vacuum signal that goes over to the fuel injection pump to control fuel flow via a diaphragm.. It is also said that the plate will prevent the engine from running in reverse which used to happen with some regularity. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 138 K miles
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
Jim, You are referring to the system used on the 115 body earlier Mercedes. Mac's 82 240D does not use the same system. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 2:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d In a message dated 10/20/2005 9:08:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Inspecting one of my '82 240Ds today, I realized it has a flap in its inlet like a throttle plate, actuated from rods from the go pedal linkage. I remember discussion of this a while back but I paid no attention as I thought I read it was on w115 240Ds only. Can anyone explain why it's there and what it does? The other car seems to have had one, at least part of the linkage for one is there (and it's the same year), but no longer does. Mac, There is a venturi in the flap area which generates a vacuum signal that goes over to the fuel injection pump to control fuel flow via a diaphragm.. It is also said that the plate will prevent the engine from running in reverse which used to happen with some regularity. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 138 K miles ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:37:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, You are referring to the system used on the 115 body earlier Mercedes. Mac's 82 240D does not use the same system. Tom, Is it possible that the 82 has a transplant of an earlier version of that engine? It sure sounds like it. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 138 K miles
Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d
Could be, but I think you'd have interference between the oil pan, oil filter and cross member. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] throttle flap in 240d In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:37:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, You are referring to the system used on the 115 body earlier Mercedes. Mac's 82 240D does not use the same system. Tom, Is it possible that the 82 has a transplant of an earlier version of that engine? It sure sounds like it. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 138 K miles ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
