Re: [MBZ] [OT] Mutant D.C. Organism makes energy
Seriously: Soybeans and corn replace some petro-based products In Nebraska, Cargill Inc. has become the first company to commercialize a technology that turns raw corn kernels into white pellets that can be spun into fabric or molded into plastic. The materials look like traditional polyesters and plastics made from a petroleum base, but the process consumes half as many fossil fuels. The agribusiness company is one of many companies seeking to use crops, weeds and animal waste in place of petroleum in the manufacturing process. The Energy Department has said it wants to convert 25 percent of chemical manufacturing to an agricultural base by 2030. At Universities throughout the Midwest, researchers are experimenting with new biotechnology that includes turning soybean oil into mattresses and chicken feathers into golf tees. Anything you can make out of petroleum, I can make out of corn and soybeans, said Larry Johnson, director of the Center for Crops Utilization Research at Iowa State University (Stephanie Simon, Los Angeles Times, June 26). -- DRL On 6/27/05, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't knock us if you can't spell our Potomac River properly. On 6/24/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050623_125410.html nope, not politicians, but this thing was found in the Potomic by D.C., and somebody found an actual useful characteristic. About the only useful thing to come out of that area in ages. Oh, it cleans up radioactive stuff and makes electricity. Maybe a new fuel cell source. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] [OT] Mutant D.C. Organism makes energy
Seriously: Soybeans and corn replace some petro-based products In Nebraska, Cargill Inc. has become the first company to commercialize a technology that turns raw corn kernels into white pellets that can be spun into fabric or molded into plastic. The materials look like traditional polyesters and plastics made from a petroleum base, but the process consumes half as many fossil fuels. The agribusiness company is one of many companies seeking to use crops, weeds and animal waste in place of petroleum in the manufacturing process. The Energy Department has said it wants to convert 25 percent of chemical manufacturing to an agricultural base by 2030. At Universities throughout the Midwest, researchers are experimenting with new biotechnology that includes turning soybean oil into mattresses and chicken feathers into golf tees. Anything you can make out of petroleum, I can make out of corn and soybeans, said Larry Johnson, director of the Center for Crops Utilization Research at Iowa State University (Stephanie Simon, Los Angeles Times, June 26). -- DRL On 6/24/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050623_125410.html nope, not politicians, but this thing was found in the Potomic by D.C., and somebody found an actual useful characteristic. About the only useful thing to come out of that area in ages. Oh, it cleans up radioactive stuff and makes electricity. Maybe a new fuel cell source. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] [OT] Mutant D.C. Organism makes energy
OK Andrew, But, you didn't have to say it twice... Chuck
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TimothyPilgrim wrote: Old news. :) I've heard about veggie-plastics for a number of years. A prof at my university was researching converting garbage into a fuel. Damn, I should look him up and see what he's doing now. My question is has anybody found a way to de-polymerize a plastic back into a pre-plastic state such that the hydrocarbons can be recovered and converted into a useable fuel. We can recycle plastics by powdering them and forming the powder into pellets for re-use, but can that powder be further broken down into basic components? Hmm...I'm struggling to recall my high school chemistry here, but if I remember right, polymerization is usually an exothermic reaction. Presumably even if you could depolymerize the plastic somehow, you'd have to add all that energy back in to do it. Burning the resulting fuel might not give you a net energy gain.
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Tim, I'll bet we can but there would be a net energy loss in the process. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD 83 300D
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Knock ya' I was born in that damn stinking nasty town! On Monday, June 27, 2005, at 05:49 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Don't knock us if you can't spell our Potomac River properly. On 6/24/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050623_125410.html nope, not politicians, but this thing was found in the Potomic by D.C., and somebody found an actual useful characteristic. About the only useful thing to come out of that area in ages. Oh, it cleans up radioactive stuff and makes electricity. Maybe a new fuel cell source. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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And the ButterBall turkey folks are using thanksgiving dinner to make #2 fuel. Along with laser toner, and other goodies. I think the return to technologies discovered early in the past century can only be good. Now that imported petro is not as cheap as food, we can regionalize the production of energy and products. Not going to keep the chinese from coveting more petro, but maybe we can sell our stuff to them cheap instead of bending over and supporting their industry On Monday, June 27, 2005, at 10:11 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Seriously: Soybeans and corn replace some petro-based products In Nebraska, Cargill Inc. has become the first company to commercialize a technology that turns raw corn kernels into white pellets that can be spun into fabric or molded into plastic. The materials look like traditional polyesters and plastics made from a petroleum base, but the process consumes half as many fossil fuels. The agribusiness company is one of many companies seeking to use crops, weeds and animal waste in place of petroleum in the manufacturing process. The Energy Department has said it wants to convert 25 percent of chemical manufacturing to an agricultural base by 2030. At Universities throughout the Midwest, researchers are experimenting with new biotechnology that includes turning soybean oil into mattresses and chicken feathers into golf tees. Anything you can make out of petroleum, I can make out of corn and soybeans, said Larry Johnson, director of the Center for Crops Utilization Research at Iowa State University (Stephanie Simon, Los Angeles Times, June 26). -- DRL On 6/27/05, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't knock us if you can't spell our Potomac River properly. On 6/24/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050623_125410.html nope, not politicians, but this thing was found in the Potomic by D.C., and somebody found an actual useful characteristic. About the only useful thing to come out of that area in ages. Oh, it cleans up radioactive stuff and makes electricity. Maybe a new fuel cell source. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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yes. Turkey plant in MO is using the process on offal, but works the same for old computers, coffee makers, little tykes toys. Fellows in PA have a RD company trying to get the factories out there to de-polymerize lots of stuff. Changing World Technologies On Monday, June 27, 2005, at 11:58 AM, TimothyPilgrim wrote: Old news. :) I've heard about veggie-plastics for a number of years. A prof at my university was researching converting garbage into a fuel. Damn, I should look him up and see what he's doing now. My question is has anybody found a way to de-polymerize a plastic back into a pre-plastic state such that the hydrocarbons can be recovered and converted into a useable fuel. We can recycle plastics by powdering them and forming the powder into pellets for re-use, but can that powder be further broken down into basic components? Tim (a guy with a BSc and perhaps too much imagination) 1982 300TD Moby On 6/27/05, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything you can make out of petroleum, I can make out of corn and soybeans, said Larry Johnson, director of the Center for Crops Utilization Research at Iowa State University (Stephanie Simon, Los Angeles Times, June 26). -- DRL ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
RE: [MBZ] [OT] Mutant D.C. Organism makes energy
Does that mean that you also are a mutant D.C. organism GRIN Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of redghost Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:27 PM To: andrew strasfogel; Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Mutant D.C. Organism makes energy Knock ya' I was born in that damn stinking nasty town! On Monday, June 27, 2005, at 05:49 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Don't knock us if you can't spell our Potomac River properly. On 6/24/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050623_125410.html nope, not politicians, but this thing was found in the Potomic by D.C., and somebody found an actual useful characteristic. About the only useful thing to come out of that area in ages. Oh, it cleans up radioactive stuff and makes electricity. Maybe a new fuel cell source. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Royce, In more ways than one. Was back there with the family last summer. The wife got caught up in the power oozing around the town. I was just happy to go home to seattle. Nice to hit the historic spots with the kids. Not so great to have the full cavity search at street corners, and to have to surrender civil liberties for access to restrooms at the visitors centers. Reminded me of many a capitol in a third world banana republic with the show of force out. I half expected some goose stepping color guard to demand my papers On Monday, June 27, 2005, at 02:42 PM, Royce Engler wrote: Does that mean that you also are a mutant D.C. organism GRIN Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of redghost Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:27 PM To: andrew strasfogel; Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Mutant D.C. Organism makes energy Knock ya' I was born in that damn stinking nasty town! On Monday, June 27, 2005, at 05:49 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Don't knock us if you can't spell our Potomac River properly. On 6/24/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050623_125410.html nope, not politicians, but this thing was found in the Potomic by D.C., and somebody found an actual useful characteristic. About the only useful thing to come out of that area in ages. Oh, it cleans up radioactive stuff and makes electricity. Maybe a new fuel cell source. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Clay said... Changing World claims an 80% efficiency. The nat gas produced in the process is used to power the next cycle, since the cost to transport the gas is not cost effective - Ah, yes, the age old problem with natural gas. One solution we came up with while I was at Amoco was to build a generating plant next to the gas well using a gas turbine generator. Those suckers are palletized and can generate electricity, which is relatively easy to transport. If you have sufficient quantities of gas and access to a seaport, LNG becomes economical. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
