Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subframe mounts, as others have stated. This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive job. A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be fine. Dan - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
I thought there was one on the old mbz.org site, but I couldn't find it. It's not difficult, it just involves a lot of brute force sort of work. Start in advance and soak the bolt really, really well with penetrating oil. You'll need a breaker bar to get it loose, I guarantee. Lube up the new mounts with dishwashing soap so they'll slip in place easily. Along the same thread, you might want to consider replacing your differential mount, too. You would be amazed at the difference it will make in the way the back end handles. It's an easy job (under 30 minutes) and the results are quite noticeable. Dan --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subframe mounts, as others have stated. This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive job. A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be fine. Dan - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
Curt Raymond wrote: Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. -Curt Rear subframe mounts on a 201/124 are much more difficult for the DIYer than on 123/126s. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:52:40PM -0400, Marshall Booth wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. -Curt Rear subframe mounts on a 201/124 are much more difficult for the DIYer than on 123/126s. I must have been sleeping at the tree. It's not too difficult IF you have the press. If you don't have the press, you're stuck using threaded washers, swearing in german, and so on. I'd strongly consider replacing the links while you're in there. If Marshall doesn't have my notes handy (it's been a while since I've done one of these), I can try to conjure up something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
If you have the tool, you can somewhat easily do it in a day. And yes, my 201 lived in massachsetts for years. I actually had to replace the entire rear subframe due to rust. Surprisingly, this and the two front LCAs got rid of most of it. You'll need a floor jack, jack stands, some really big sockets (21 or 23 mm, can't remember offhand), plus an inverse torx socket. Call up Rusty and tell him you want the bolts too, it's better to use Rusty's bolts than to use rusty bolts. :) It's amazing the difference that the mounts and the links made in the car. On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:50:50AM -0700, Curt Raymond wrote: *sigh* in fact I had the links replaced in April but I think I'd waited to look so the subframe mounts were toast. The rear end has a decidedly squishy feel. Last night I was going around a long bend and it felt somewhat like the rear end was coming around the car. Wierd feeling... If I can't do it myself I need to wait until a maintenance period (ie a time when I don't need the car for awhile) before it goes to the Indy. Is this something dangerous or can it wait? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
*sigh* in fact I had the links replaced in April but I think I'd waited to look so the subframe mounts were toast. The rear end has a decidedly squishy feel. Last night I was going around a long bend and it felt somewhat like the rear end was coming around the car. Wierd feeling... If I can't do it myself I need to wait until a maintenance period (ie a time when I don't need the car for awhile) before it goes to the Indy. Is this something dangerous or can it wait? -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:00:07 -0700 From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:52:40PM -0400, Marshall Booth wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. -Curt Rear subframe mounts on a 201/124 are much more difficult for the DIYer than on 123/126s. I must have been sleeping at the tree. It's not too difficult IF you have the press. If you don't have the press, you're stuck using threaded washers, swearing in german, and so on. I'd strongly consider replacing the links while you're in there. If Marshall doesn't have my notes handy (it's been a while since I've done one of these), I can try to conjure up something. - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
Subframe mounts, at least, and maybe/probably the trailing arm bushings too. At 12:25 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: So on the new 300SD the rear seem to be a bit squatty, and wheels look like maybe they have some excess camber? Or are they supposed to be like that? Driving the car on the highway at 70ish it seems to wander just a tad, I'm wo(a)ndering if both might be indicative of rear subframe mounts needing replacement, or something else? --R 84300SD (son's) 79300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
Subframe mounts, as others have stated. This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive job. A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be fine. Dan --- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subframe mounts, at least, and maybe/probably the trailing arm bushings too. At 12:25 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: So on the new 300SD the rear seem to be a bit squatty, and wheels look like maybe they have some excess camber? Or are they supposed to be like that? Driving the car on the highway at 70ish it seems to wander just a tad, I'm wo(a)ndering if both might be indicative of rear subframe mounts needing replacement, or something else? --R 84300SD (son's) 79300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
OK, guess that one will be one for a future effort as no time now. Thanks... --R LWB250 wrote: Subframe mounts, as others have stated. This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive job. A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be fine. Dan --- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subframe mounts, at least, and maybe/probably the trailing arm bushings too. At 12:25 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: So on the new 300SD the rear seem to be a bit squatty, and wheels look like maybe they have some excess camber? Or are they supposed to be like that? Driving the car on the highway at 70ish it seems to wander just a tad, I'm wo(a)ndering if both might be indicative of rear subframe mounts needing replacement, or something else? --R 84300SD (son's) 79300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
You can patch things along a while by putting some twist-in spring spacers for a while. It will take 2-3 for each spring. This will reduce the tire wear on the inside. Loren BTDT At 08:02 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: OK, guess that one will be one for a future effort as no time now. Thanks... --R LWB250 wrote: Subframe mounts, as others have stated. This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive job. A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be fine. Dan --- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subframe mounts, at least, and maybe/probably the trailing arm bushings too. At 12:25 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: So on the new 300SD the rear seem to be a bit squatty, and wheels look like maybe they have some excess camber? Or are they supposed to be like that? Driving the car on the highway at 70ish it seems to wander just a tad, I'm wo(a)ndering if both might be indicative of rear subframe mounts needing replacement, or something else? --R 84300SD (son's) 79300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
Interesting. I do not see any tire wear, I noticed the noticeable camber as the car was going down the street. It just looked a bit too much, but maybe I am being too paranoid about it since this is a new car. Put that with what seemed to be a bit of floaty on the highway at speed. Did a pretty good inspection underneath today, everything looked good, not that I guess I could see excess camber or bad mounts or joints or whatever. Perhaps I should take some meds -- I have some that came from Scotland that might help. --R Loren Faeth wrote: You can patch things along a while by putting some twist-in spring spacers for a while. It will take 2-3 for each spring. This will reduce the tire wear on the inside. Loren BTDT At 08:02 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: OK, guess that one will be one for a future effort as no time now. Thanks... --R LWB250 wrote: Subframe mounts, as others have stated. This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive job. A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be fine. Dan --- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subframe mounts, at least, and maybe/probably the trailing arm bushings too. At 12:25 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: So on the new 300SD the rear seem to be a bit squatty, and wheels look like maybe they have some excess camber? Or are they supposed to be like that? Driving the car on the highway at 70ish it seems to wander just a tad, I'm wo(a)ndering if both might be indicative of rear subframe mounts needing replacement, or something else? --R 84300SD (son's) 79300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
