Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
On 11/04/2022 11:28 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, there's at least a chance of a deadstick landing. With a copter, it's put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye... A fellow we knew (sadly he has developed dementia in his old age and is now in a care home) was a metallurgical engineer. His view of helicopters was "not if they will crash but when they will crash". Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
My favorite show is Air Disasters. Very compelling and fact-filled analysis of what went wrong. Produced in Canada. https://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/air-disasters On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:48 AM mitch--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 2022-04-12 10:27, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, the vibration will tear the > > engine off the front of the plane and the massive imbalance will > > prevent a > > graceful descent. Same end result as in the copter. > > > Neighbor did that in a pusher prop UL. It might have helped that he had > a big slow prop running off a reduction belt drive. > A defective Nyloc nut came off a bolt in the wing structure and the bolt > turned a two blade prop into a 1 1/3 blade prop. He shut it down and > made a forced landing in some farmer's field. Took the wing off and > towed it home for repairs. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
On 2022-04-12 10:27, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, the vibration will tear the engine off the front of the plane and the massive imbalance will prevent a graceful descent. Same end result as in the copter. Neighbor did that in a pusher prop UL. It might have helped that he had a big slow prop running off a reduction belt drive. A defective Nyloc nut came off a bolt in the wing structure and the bolt turned a two blade prop into a 1 1/3 blade prop. He shut it down and made a forced landing in some farmer's field. Took the wing off and towed it home for repairs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, the vibration will tear the engine off the front of the plane and the massive imbalance will prevent a graceful descent. Same end result as in the copter. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:29 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, there's at least a chance of a > deadstick landing. With a copter, it's put your head between your legs > and kiss your ass goodbye... > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 7:30 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > At least in a helicopter you can autorotate. > > > > -D > > > > > On Apr 11, 2022, at 7:53 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to > > > helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. > > > > > > -MMM- > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> oops > > >> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> --FT > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, there's at least a chance of a deadstick landing. With a copter, it's put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye... On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 7:30 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > At least in a helicopter you can autorotate. > > -D > > > On Apr 11, 2022, at 7:53 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to > > helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. > > > > -MMM- > > > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> oops > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI > >> > >> > >> -- > >> --FT > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
At least in a helicopter you can autorotate. -D > On Apr 11, 2022, at 7:53 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to > helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. > > -MMM- > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> oops >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI >> >> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. -MMM- On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > oops > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI > > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
