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What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but
natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to
stay that way.  Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to
massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas.
Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles.  A little
goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest.


Gummit gums up things.  That is their job, that is what they do best, 
hence the name Gummit.   Looking to the Gummit to solve anything, 
makes as much sense as putting chewing gum in the tank of your 
vehicle.


Your thought processes are bass ackwards

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Rick Knoble

Yes, there are BP is doing an expansion that is taking several years and 
several billion dollars. 

Rick
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of A.G. Bell's invention 

On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well.  At 
 least based on the odors that come from there

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Rich Thomas

No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed 
enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it 
will be done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would 
have to be built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet 
vehicles that could be refueled from a central location.


--R

On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but
natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to
stay that way.  Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to
massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas.
Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles.  A little
goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest.

On 1/25/12, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com  wrote:

I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well.  At
least based on the odors that come from there

Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was
maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related
stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks
like.

No, son, Hell probably smells better.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net  wrote:


There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm
willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery.  That's a good
suggestion.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Michael Canfield

Nothing that makes sense for the people will happen. Americans are too
bullheaded to change. Gummit (I like that term.) is too greedy. Why use
natural gas? The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in
northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas.
What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells. They
speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias.
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge
reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil. Hush, hush is the rule
for the gas workers.

Mike
On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed
enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will
be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be
built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that
could be refueled from a central location.

--R

On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but
natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to
stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to
massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas.
Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little
goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest.

On 1/25/12, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well.
At
least based on the odors that come from there

Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who
was
maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the
related
stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell
looks
like.

No, son, Hell probably smells better.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm
willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good
suggestion.

Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Allan Streib

CITGO has a big one between Lockport and Lemont, a bit northeast of Joliet.  
Used to ride through it every day on the Metra line between Chicago and Joliet 
when I lived in Lockport.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, at 07:40 AM, Benz Hogs wrote:
 There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm 
 willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery.  That's a good 
 suggestion.

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Allan Streib

Wonder why refineries flare off all that gas, could they not run a generator 
and produce some electricity with it?

Allan

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, at 09:06 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well.  At 
 least based on the odors that come from there
 
 Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was 
 maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related 
 stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks 
 like.
 
 No, son, Hell probably smells better.
 
 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Allan Streib

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, at 09:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed 
 enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it 
 will be done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would 
 have to be built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet 
 vehicles that could be refueled from a central location.

Which they are already doing.  CNG or propane is not uncommon for fleet 
vehicles.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread rogerhga

Andrew, 
Or we could convert the natural gas to synthetic diesel, leave the trucks as 
they are and produce more diesel cars. Synthetic diesel has the same properties 
as natural gas without being as explosive. Personally, I don't want to pull in 
to a station to fill up my tank and have to worry about being blown into the 
next county by a careless explosion. Gov'ts and some businesses use natural gas 
in their vehicles because they can maintain control over distribution and 
training for proper fueling techniques by employees. The Germans produced 
synthetic diesel out of necessity during the war. I think we are on the verge 
of necessity if we are to extract ourselves from Arab oil problems. 
Just my opinion. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Gerry Archer


From another list:


The product  coming out of Canadian tar sands is similar to Venezuelan oil
Very thick and viscous,  hard  to extract without heat,  hard to pump  And 
most of all
hard to refine  Only a few refineries in the world can handle oil like 
this

And they're all in Houston.

Gerry



From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm 
willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery.  That's a good 
suggestion.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 1/24/2012 10:07 PM, OK Don wrote:

We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther
than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for
distribution. Less interuption form hurricanes in the north as well. More
jobs building and operating a refinery than the one time build of a pipe
line. Won't happen though - oh well.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com  wrote:


No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil.  We figure we

have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
future use.  You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a 
hose

up
north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too.  We already 
offered
once, but you didn't seem interested.  Really, we're nice guys here, 
and

we
would prefer that you, our friends get it.  And we're pretty easy 
going,

so
if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
peace in Alberta. hee hee.  As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever
you
end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk 
of

it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.

Ed
300E



Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it.  Much more fun to attack
libya and otherwise help the terrorists.



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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

We're currently working on a process to cut it with maple syrup. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 25 January 2012 11:24, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

From another list:

The product coming out of Canadian tar sands is similar to Venezuelan oil
Very thick and viscous, hard to extract without heat, hard to pump And
most of all
hard to refine Only a few refineries in the world can handle oil like
this
And they're all in Houston.

Gerry

From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net

There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm
willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good
suggestion.

Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 1/24/2012 10:07 PM, OK Don wrote:

We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther
than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for
distribution. Less interuption form hurricanes in the north as well. More
jobs building and operating a refinery than the one time build of a pipe
line. Won't happen though - oh well.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com**
wrote:

No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil. We figure we

have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
future use. You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a
hose
up
north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too. We already
offered
once, but you didn't seem interested. Really, we're nice guys here,
and
we
would prefer that you, our friends get it. And we're pretty easy
going,
so
if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
peace in Alberta. hee hee. As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever
you
end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk
of
it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.

Ed
300E

Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it. Much more fun to attack
libya and otherwise help the terrorists.

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Not certain where it was refined, probably Alberta, but for a while, 
fuel was being hauled in large quantities to Grand Forks AFB in North 
Dakota from Winnipeg.

Then loaded on tankers and flown to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Now that, is just plain silly.

Randy

On 25/01/2012 6:11 AM, G Mann wrote:

The last new Crude Oil refinery built in the USA was commissioned over 25
yrs ago.  The EPA has made it impossible since then to build a new one and
existing refineries have cut every possible capacity to shrink their
exposure to the all mighty EPA to a minimum. In hard fact, the EPA induced
costs to upgrade or expand present Crude Oil Refineries is so cost intense,
even profit rich Exxon stumbles when faced with the facts.

Expected lead time to certify a new refinery is 10 years, if ever. During
that 10 yrs. you get to build, file and wait, while your investment capital
is frozen with a no limit ceiling commitment to meet all new or imposed
regulation, both state and federal.

The real world of running a refinery requires nearly 20 compliance
officers for every labor person and the standing joke on the yard is
when the volume of paper meets or exceeds the volume of fuel, it may be
cleared to ship.

Because California causes cancer for nearly every substance known to man,
and it's main industry is air pollution control, the once thriving oil
industry on the west coast is and has been under siege for past 40 yrs. The
Gulf Coast area contains the bulk of the largest crude oil processing
facilities possibly capable of handling added supply and is presently the
receiving point for the bulk of Mid Eastern oil.

Under present conditions, a pipe directly to the existing Gulf Coast
refinery center would be the least costly for the Crude to Gas equation for
this oil field.

Or, we could simply close the EPA, capture and imprison the tree huggers,
build new refineries close to the oil, and have cheap gas again.  That
Could be an Option

Go Green, Green Back Dollars That is

Grant...
AZ...
- Who designed, built, certified, and licensed the largest Bio Diesel
Refinery to ATSM 6751 Standard in the USA in 2007 at 20,000,000 Gallon Per
Month capacity and met all EPA , Air Quality, DOD, and Homeland Security
requirements.- [as well as every other 3 letter agency known to exist]
Cost to build the physical plant, about $10 million. Cost to do the
paperwork and get clearances and certifications, about $20 million and
ongoing.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com  wrote:


Actually, I think the idea is to refine crude in the Gulf Coast for
shipment overseas.

Rick
Sent from my distant extension
of A.G. Bell's invention

On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:07 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com  wrote:


We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther
than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for
distribution





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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest of 
the posts so I might be behind on this one.


My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road vehicles. 
There was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where a fellow 
talked about trying to convert a boat to NG.

There are issues with tank size and weight etc.
Also NG tends to produce less power.

I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, but 
generally it is easier said than don.


Randy


On 25/01/2012 9:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Nothing that makes sense for the people will happen.  Americans are too
bullheaded to change.  Gummit (I like that term.) is too greedy.  Why use
natural gas?  The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in
northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas.
What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells.  They
speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias.
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge
reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil.  Hush, hush is the rule
for the gas workers.

Mike
On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:


No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed
enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will
be done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be
built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that
could be refueled from a central location.

--R

On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but
natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to
stay that way.  Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to
massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas.
Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles.  A little
goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest.





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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range
with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city. That's
one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis. They say it burns
very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big
difference.

For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics,
and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some
buses. For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour. There
are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run
diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones. Over the last 6 months,
they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying
they just weren't profitable.

It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid
electric. I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government
incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here.

Ed
300E

On 25 January 2012 12:05, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest of the
posts so I might be behind on this one.

My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road vehicles.
There was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where a fellow talked
about trying to convert a boat to NG.
There are issues with tank size and weight etc.
Also NG tends to produce less power.

I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, but
generally it is easier said than don.

Randy

On 25/01/2012 9:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Mike
On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79TD300@**
constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed
enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it
will
be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to
be
built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that
could be refueled from a central location.

--R

On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread andrew strasfogel

I would be OK with turning the NG into diesel.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest of the
 posts so I might be behind on this one.

 My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road vehicles. There
 was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where a fellow talked about
 trying to convert a boat to NG.
 There are issues with tank size and weight etc.
 Also NG tends to produce less power.

 I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, but
 generally it is easier said than don.

 Randy



 On 25/01/2012 9:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

 Nothing that makes sense for the people will happen.  Americans are too
 bullheaded to change.  Gummit (I like that term.) is too greedy.  Why use
 natural gas?  The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in
 northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas.
 What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells.  They
 speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias.
 Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge
 reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil.  Hush, hush is the
 rule
 for the gas workers.

 Mike
 On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich
 Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

 No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed
 enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it
 will
 be done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to
 be
 built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that
 could be refueled from a central location.

 --R

 On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but
 natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to
 stay that way.  Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to
 massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas.
 Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles.  A little
 goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest.




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On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote:

I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range
with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city.  That's
one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis.  They say it burns
very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big
difference.

For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics,
and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some
buses.  For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour.  There
are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run
diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones.  Over the last 6 months,
they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying
they just weren't profitable.

It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid
electric.  I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government
incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here.

Ed
300E


I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while 
here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was 
a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford 
products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to 
be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with.


The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. 
I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from 
gasoline to propane.

Go to NG and it is even lower.

So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running 
fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a 
small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out 
there.


I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the 
conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since 
about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert.


Randy

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On 25/01/2012 11:17 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

I would be OK with turning the NG into diesel.


I would think we need to know what that involves. Is it something that 
is readily doable and makes sense?
Or is it like the growing of corn to make fuel? Most don't think that is 
a feasible thing to do.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

You're right Randy, propane. I know as the same filling station I used to
fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting
to fill up.

The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller
vehicles. I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running
gas. I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5
years old or something. I asked one driver years ago, when they were using
the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine. He said at
the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms.
And that was with little more than regular oil changes. Guess even those
old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care. :-)

Ed
300E

On 25 January 2012 12:25, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote:

For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown
Vics,
and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some
buses. For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour. There
are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run
diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones. Over the last 6 months,
they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying
they just weren't profitable.

Ed
300E

I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while
here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was a
lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford
products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to be
compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with.

The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. I
think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from gasoline
to propane.
Go to NG and it is even lower.

So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running fine
around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a small
engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out there.

I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the
conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since
about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert.

Randy

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I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make much sense to 
me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added to the existing network 
of stations, or some of the existing network of stations? I've seen this at a 
few stations in greater LA already...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:33:55 -0500
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No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed 
enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it 
will be done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would 
have to be built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet 
vehicles that could be refueled from a central location.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

The best thing ever to happen to combustion engine powered weed whacker is 
running on Propane. Most small engines that are infrequently used will have old 
gummed up fuel in them, running from a 1# propane bottle eliminates that 
problem.

Still I think a new 300hp engine that loses 20% is still fairly powerful 
don't you? I'd take 260hp if it meant the fuel was cheaper.


-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:25:05 -0600
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
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On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote:
 I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range
 with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city.  That's
 one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis.  They say it burns
 very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big
 difference.

 For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics,
 and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some
 buses.  For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour.  There
 are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run
 diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones.  Over the last 6 months,
 they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying
 they just weren't profitable.

 It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid
 electric.  I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government
 incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here.

 Ed
 300E


I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while 
here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was 
a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford 
products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to 
be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with.

The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. 
I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from 
gasoline to propane.
Go to NG and it is even lower.

So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running 
fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a 
small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out 
there.

I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the 
conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since 
about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread rogerhga

Randy, 
The last I read on this a couple of years ago was that the Germans developed 
synthetic diesel from natural gas during WWII because they obviously had 
trouble getting regular diesel. Then a few years ago, one of the universities 
on the left coast reported to have reduced the process to 4 steps. Their report 
said that synthetic diesel produced better mileage, better power, and near zero 
emissions. Also, they were looking at a portable production plant that could be 
moved to some of the remote fields for processing and then truck the fuel to 
nearby pipelines for distribution. As someone else noted about the lack of NG 
fueling stations, that would not be the case as we already have diesel tanks 
and stations throughout the country. As a side note, T Boone Pickens, like 
others, promote what they think will make them money...to heck with you and me. 
Just some extra info. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Here in Winnipeg, almost all cabs are Toyota Prius now, except for the 
mini-vans.
Good test for a Prius I assume. They are putting lots of miles on them 
through all sorts of weather.


Randy

On 25/01/2012 12:07 PM, E M wrote:

You're right Randy, propane.  I know as the same filling station I used to
fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting
to fill up.

The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller
vehicles.  I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running
gas.  I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5
years old or something.  I asked one driver years ago, when they were using
the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine.  He said at
the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms.
And that was with little more than regular oil changes.  Guess even those
old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care.  :-)

Ed
300E

On 25 January 2012 12:25, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca  wrote:


On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote:


I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range
with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city.  That's
one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis.  They say it burns
very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big
difference.

For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown
Vics,
and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some
buses.  For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour.  There
are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run
diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones.  Over the last 6 months,
they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying
they just weren't profitable.

It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid
electric.  I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government
incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here.

Ed
300E


  I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while

here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was a
lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford
products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to be
compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with.

The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. I
think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from gasoline
to propane.
Go to NG and it is even lower.

So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running fine
around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a small
engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out there.

I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the
conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since
about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Are they in bunkers? A friend who visited Italy a few years back told of 
waiting for the car to be filled up. The car was driven into a bunker 
under ground and everyone stayed well away while it was filled. I 
believe he also said it had no usable trunk as the whole thing was 
filled with the gas cylinders. I don't know for certain that was CNG but 
it must have been that or something similar. He also said it was much 
cheaper than gasoline in Italy.


Randy

On 25/01/2012 12:39 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make much sense to 
me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added to the existing network of 
stations, or some of the existing network of stations? I've seen this at a few stations 
in greater LA already...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:33:55 -0500
From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
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No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed
enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it
will be done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would
have to be built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet
vehicles that could be refueled from a central location.

--R






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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Rich Thomas

Capital investment, and probably some huge set of gummint regulatory 
requirements, safety and legal liabilities and such.   Then you would 
have to hire someone to pump the stuff so as to lessen liability, and 
you would have to train that person then pay him/her so s/he does not 
bolt down the street for more money -- not your usual convenience store 
clerk.  A fleet usually has a limited-access lot, and various people 
around, and limited hours, etc.


---R

On 1/25/12 1:39 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make much sense to 
me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added to the existing network of 
stations, or some of the existing network of stations? I've seen this at a few stations 
in greater LA already...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:33:55 -0500
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No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed
enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it
will be done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would
have to be built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet
vehicles that could be refueled from a central location.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Rich Thomas

I heard on the radio the other day that current proven reserves in the 
US for oil (not including gas) exceed Saudi Arabia and a bunch of the 
other ME reserves thrown in.  I sometimes wonder if it is better to use 
up their oil (ignoring the political aspects) and save domestic stuff 
for later.  And Brazil has found huge reserves offshore too.  The stuff 
seems to be everywhere!


--R

On 1/25/12 10:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in
northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas.
What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells.  They
speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias.
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge
reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil.  Hush, hush is the rule
for the gas workers.

Mike


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Most engines will go a long time if you start them up and leave them on all 
day...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:07:26 -0500
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You're right Randy, propane.  I know as the same filling station I used to
fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting
to fill up.

The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller
vehicles.  I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running
gas.  I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5
years old or something.  I asked one driver years ago, when they were using
the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine.  He said at
the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms.
And that was with little more than regular oil changes.  Guess even those
old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care.  :-)

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Michael Canfield

That is what they claim to be up to.  Seems way too costly for some oil.
But then think about the idea of the USA having control of the world oil
market when the rest of the world's oil is used up.

Mike
On Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

 I heard on the radio the other day that current proven reserves in the US
 for oil (not including gas) exceed Saudi Arabia and a bunch of the other ME
 reserves thrown in.  I sometimes wonder if it is better to use up their oil
 (ignoring the political aspects) and save domestic stuff for later.  And
 Brazil has found huge reserves offshore too.  The stuff seems to be
 everywhere!

 --R

 On 1/25/12 10:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

 The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in
 northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas.
 What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells.  They
 speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias.
 Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge
 reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil.  Hush, hush is the
 rule
 for the gas workers.

 Mike


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On 25/01/2012 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

The best thing ever to happen to combustion engine powered weed whacker is 
running on Propane. Most small engines that are infrequently used will have old 
gummed up fuel in them, running from a 1# propane bottle eliminates that 
problem.

Still I think a new 300hp engine that loses 20% is still fairly powerful 
don't you? I'd take 260hp if it meant the fuel was cheaper.


-Curt



So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created?

I have never heard of such an animal.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Max

Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you
created?


Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and convert to 
propane!  
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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On 25/01/2012 3:55 PM, Max wrote:

Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca  wrote:

So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you
created?


Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and convert to 
propane!


No, he needs a diesel.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

What he really wants is a flat six.  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 25 January 2012 17:00, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 25/01/2012 3:55 PM, Max wrote:

 Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca  wrote:

 So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you
 created?

  Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and
 convert to propane!


 No, he needs a diesel.

 Randy


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

I think that is probably a big part of it.  I think most machines prefer
constant use, to being cycled.

Ed
300E

On 25 January 2012 15:46, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Most engines will go a long time if you start them up and leave them on
 all day...

 -Curt

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 You're right Randy, propane.  I know as the same filling station I used to
 fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting
 to fill up.

 The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller
 vehicles.  I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running
 gas.  I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5
 years old or something.  I asked one driver years ago, when they were using
 the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine.  He said at
 the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms.
 And that was with little more than regular oil changes.  Guess even those
 old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care.  :-)

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think most machines prefer
 constant use, to being cycled.


Generator Dan can probably speak with authority as to the relative
longevity and reliability of the same engine operated under different
conditions of load, RPM, and engine temperature (i.e., many
warm-up/cool-down cycles vs. steady warm operation).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread WILTON


Yeah, that'd work, too.  ;)))

Wilton

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What he really wants is a flat six.  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 25 January 2012 17:00, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


On 25/01/2012 3:55 PM, Max wrote:


Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca  wrote:


So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you
created?

 Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and

convert to propane!



No, he needs a diesel.

Randy


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I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while 
here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it 
was a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and 
Ford products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG 
has to be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work 
with.


The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a 
conversion. I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a 
conversion from gasoline to propane.

Go to NG and it is even lower.

So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running 
fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with 
a small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around 
out there.


I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the 
conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those 
since about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as 
easy to convert.


Randy


Right on several points.

1.  A carb gasser is pretty easy to convert to propane.  FI gassers 
with computers are not so easy.

2.  I recall about 20% was the number of lost HP on a 'Mericun V8
3.  The v-8s in many cars and truck are very de-tuned in stock state 
compared to Euro engines of the time.  That allows lots of cubic 
inches, and losing 20% does not affect normal driving much.

4.  It was propane, not CNG

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

I would think we need to know what that  [converting NG into 
gasoline] involves. Is it something that is readily doable and makes 
sense?


Randy


Not much different that what is currently done in refineries now. 
Heavy crude is cracked breaking long chain hydrocarbons into 
hydrocarbons of the desired length.  Shorter for gasoline and longer 
chains for Diesel.


With NG to gasoline (or Diesel) they want to take short chain 
hydrocarbons into longer chain hydrocarbons.


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make 
much sense to me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added 
to the existing network of stations, or some of the existing network 
of stations? I've seen this at a few stations in greater LA 
already...


-Curt


uh!  a little thing like the difference between atmospheric pressure 
and 2000+ PSI.  One is not dangerous, and the other is.


Have you ever seen the videos of what happens when you knock the 
valve off an oxygen bottle?  Can you say rocket  and that is with 
an oxydizer, but not a fuel.  Now add fuel and ignition to the 
2000PSI, and you can imagine the conflagration.


Then there is the other little secret that good ol Tbone doesn't tell 
you.  We have people who want to disqualify ethanol because it has 
~10% fewer BTU/lb than good gasoline.  The same people support 
propane with a 20% fewer BTU/lb and the dangers of a compressed 
flammable gas.  But tbone and many ethanol haters are all in love 
with CNG with the dangers of 2000 PSI fuel gas, and what?  30-40% of 
the BTU/lb of gasoline?  (Somebody can contribute the right number)


There are much better alternative fuels.  BioD being best, with a 
100% drop in and better  (Way better) lubricity than ULSD.  Butanol 
is another.  It is a 100% dropin for gasoline, from what I have heard.


We are sitting on top of a large percentage of the world oil 
reserves.  We are sitting on top of a much larger percentage of the 
world coal supplies.  The Germans may have made some synthetic fuels 
out of NG, but the majority was made from coal.  The Fiischer-Troph 
process used to convert coal to synfuels (gasoline and Diesel) is 
likely the process used to make synfuel out of NG.  I am not a 
chemist, but either way you are breaking hydrocarbons into the 
lengths you want, so to me the process is pretty similar.


SynBioFuels can be made with pretty simple processes.  One guy made a 
crude synDiesel by throwing old tires into a large culvert section, 
lighting the pile on fire and closing the door.  The resulting liquid 
that drained out was used as is as synDiesel.  A mo' bettah design is 
to pyrolize the coal, then sell the resulting BioSyn crude to a 
refiner.


BTW, the BioSynDiesel is highly desired by refineries, as it has a 
VERY high cetane rating.  They want all they can get as a blending 
ingredient the same as BioDiesel.  It also has better lubricity than 
the petroDiesel.


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread clay monroe

I vote for Nebraska as the new home of a refining hub. This will allow for new
equipment that is less likely to blow up so much, and if it is close enough to
the Missouri river, we can send barges south.

clay

On Jan 24, 2012, at 8:07 PM, OK Don wrote:

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil. We figure we
have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
future use. You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose
up
north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too. We already offered
once, but you didn't seem interested. Really, we're nice guys here, and
we
would prefer that you, our friends get it. And we're pretty easy going,
so
if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
peace in Alberta. hee hee. As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever
you
end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of
it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.

Ed
300E

Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it. Much more fun to attack
libya and otherwise help the terrorists.

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread clay monroe

Do a Google Search for bureau of sabotage  Frank Herbert knew something

clay


On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed 
 enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be 
 done.  The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be 
 built out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that 
 could be refueled from a central location.
 
 --R
 
 On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but
 natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to
 stay that way.  Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to
 massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas.
 Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles.  A little
 goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest.
 
 On 1/25/12, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com  wrote:
 I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well.  At
 least based on the odors that come from there
 
 Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was
 maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related
 stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks
 like.
 
 No, son, Hell probably smells better.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net  wrote:
 
 There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm
 willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery.  That's a good
 suggestion.
 
 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
 '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
 '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
 
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest 
of the posts so I might be behind on this one.


My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road 
vehicles. There was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where 
a fellow talked about trying to convert a boat to NG.

There are issues with tank size and weight etc.
Also NG tends to produce less power.

I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, 
but generally it is easier said than don.


Randy


Correct again.

CNG is not a drop in fuel.  It requires very high pressures to 
transport as a motor fuel.  THat means large, dangerous tanks and 
limited range because the BTU/lb is very low.  There is a reason why 
our utility bill that now bill in therms used to bill based on 1000 
cubic feet.  (1 therm = 100,000 BTU or about 2 hours of burner time 
for modern smaller furnaces)


It is not easy to use in motor vehicles
It is not easy to convert from gasoline
There is a large power reduction to the engine.

Tbone is a scammer, but not many people bought the scam.

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Max

clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Do a Google Search for bureau of sabotage  Frank Herbert knew
something


Those are some of my favorite stories!
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Wish I was clever enough to make one...

http://www.amazon.com/LEHR-ST025DC-4-Stroke-Detachable-Curved-Shaft/dp/B001H1LS98

With a refill valve you could refill your propane bottles off a grill tank and 
run one cheap enough. For the amount most people use them I think this is a 
great idea.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:42:04 -0600
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On 25/01/2012 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 The best thing ever to happen to combustion engine powered weed whacker is 
 running on Propane. Most small engines that are infrequently used will have 
 old gummed up fuel in them, running from a 1# propane bottle eliminates that 
 problem.

 Still I think a new 300hp engine that loses 20% is still fairly powerful 
 don't you? I'd take 260hp if it meant the fuel was cheaper.


 -Curt


So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created?

I have never heard of such an animal.

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-25 Thread Fmiser

  On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, at 09:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 
  No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all
  getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense
  (without artificial sense) it will be done.  The problem
  is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built
  out.  But it probably would make best sense for fleet
  vehicles that could be refueled from a central location.

 Allan Streib wrote:
 
 Which they are already doing.  CNG or propane is not uncommon
 for fleet vehicles.

Some.  The local propane home delivery truck was propane
powered.  Until last year when they got a new one.  It's
diesel.  That's gotta say something!

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Most engines will go a long time if you start them up and leave them 
on all day...


-Curt


Right, but in the same service (identical start and stop) a propane 
(or CNG) engine will last far longer than the same engine run on 
gasoline.


The City of Hoover, AL vehicles run on homemade(city made) B100 from 
waste veg oil are cleaner and less wear than the ULSD control 
vehicles.


They have 2 batch processors of 50 gal each.

BTW, I can sell you an identical processor (with current updates) if 
you want to brew your own.  It is not a backyard project.


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread Hans Neureiter

Ron Paul  Warren Buffet would be the ticket.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 --R wrote:
  That War for Oil is paying its dividends!

 They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
 to precipitate armageddon.  Idiots.  Take the Ron Paul approach and
 stop goading countries around the globe.  We can innovate out of our
 oil dependence - America has been there done that, but today it
 appears as if there is zero will to do the work and the
 corporate/government restrictions of innovation and invention is de
 rigeur today, to our demise.
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2012-01-24 Thread E M

No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil.  We figure we
have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
future use.  You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up
north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too.  We already offered
once, but you didn't seem interested.  Really, we're nice guys here, and we
would prefer that you, our friends get it.  And we're pretty easy going, so
if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
peace in Alberta. hee hee.  As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you
end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of
it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.

Ed
300E

On 24 January 2012 05:39, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ron Paul  Warren Buffet would be the ticket.

 On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:

  --R wrote:
   That War for Oil is paying its dividends!
 
  They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
  to precipitate armageddon.  Idiots.  Take the Ron Paul approach and
  stop goading countries around the globe.  We can innovate out of our
  oil dependence - America has been there done that, but today it
  appears as if there is zero will to do the work and the
  corporate/government restrictions of innovation and invention is de
  rigeur today, to our demise.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread Rich Thomas


Is this a preview of tonight's political theater?

--R

On 1/24/12 2:57 PM, E M wrote:

No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil.  We figure we
have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
future use.  You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up
north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too.  We already offered
once, but you didn't seem interested.  Really, we're nice guys here, and we
would prefer that you, our friends get it.  And we're pretty easy going, so
if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
peace in Alberta. hee hee.  As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you
end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of
it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.

Ed
300E

On 24 January 2012 05:39, Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com  wrote:


Ron Paul  Warren Buffet would be the ticket.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mountain Manmaontin@gmail.com
wrote:


--R wrote:

That War for Oil is paying its dividends!

They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
to precipitate armageddon.  Idiots.  Take the Ron Paul approach and
stop goading countries around the globe.  We can innovate out of our
oil dependence - America has been there done that, but today it
appears as if there is zero will to do the work and the
corporate/government restrictions of innovation and invention is de
rigeur today, to our demise.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread E M

Just saying, there's lots here if you want it.

Ed
300E

On 24 January 2012 16:01, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote:

 Is this a preview of tonight's political theater?

 --R


 On 1/24/12 2:57 PM, E M wrote:

 No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil.  We figure we
 have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
 future use.  You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose
 up
 north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too.  We already offered
 once, but you didn't seem interested.  Really, we're nice guys here, and
 we
 would prefer that you, our friends get it.  And we're pretty easy going,
 so
 if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
 peace in Alberta. hee hee.  As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever
 you
 end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of
 it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.

 Ed
 300E

 On 24 January 2012 05:39, Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com  wrote:

  Ron Paul  Warren Buffet would be the ticket.


 On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mountain Manmaontin@gmail.com
 wrote:

  --R wrote:

 That War for Oil is paying its dividends!

 They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
 to precipitate armageddon.  Idiots.  Take the Ron Paul approach and
 stop goading countries around the globe.  We can innovate out of our
 oil dependence - America has been there done that, but today it
 appears as if there is zero will to do the work and the
 corporate/government restrictions of innovation and invention is de
 rigeur today, to our demise.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread Randy Bennell

Yes, either you folks south of us buy it or we will have to tunnel
through the Rockies under the natives, to the west coast and ship it to
China.

One way or tother, it is going to be dug up and moved on.

Randy

On 24/01/2012 3:17 PM, E M wrote:

Just saying, there's lots here if you want it.

Ed
300E

On 24 January 2012 16:01, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote:

Is this a preview of tonight's political theater?

--R

On 1/24/12 2:57 PM, E M wrote:

Ed
300E

On 24 January 2012 05:39, Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com wrote:

Ron Paul Warren Buffet would be the ticket.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mountain Manmaontin@gmail.com
wrote:

--R wrote:

That War for Oil is paying its dividends!

They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
to precipitate armageddon. Idiots. Take the Ron Paul approach and
stop goading countries around the globe. We can innovate out of our
oil dependence - America has been there done that, but today it
appears as if there is zero will to do the work and the
corporate/government restrictions of innovation and invention is de
rigeur today, to our demise.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread Rick Knoble

May I have permission to post this on my Facebook page? This will probably go 
viral...

Rick
Sent from my distant extension
of A.G. Bell's invention 

On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil.  We figure we
 have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
 future use.  You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up
 north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too.  We already offered
 once, but you didn't seem interested.  Really, we're nice guys here, and we
 would prefer that you, our friends get it.  And we're pretty easy going, so
 if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
 peace in Alberta. hee hee.  As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you
 end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of
 it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.
 
 Ed
 300E
 
 On 24 January 2012 05:39, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ron Paul  Warren Buffet would be the ticket.
 
 On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 --R wrote:
 That War for Oil is paying its dividends!
 
 They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
 to precipitate armageddon.  Idiots.  Take the Ron Paul approach and
 stop goading countries around the globe.  We can innovate out of our
 oil dependence - America has been there done that, but today it
 appears as if there is zero will to do the work and the
 corporate/government restrictions of innovation and invention is de
 rigeur today, to our demise.
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread E M

Sure.  To give credit where credit is due, that last bit about us most
likely spending any revenue generated, to buy U.S. products, was taken from
something a U.S senator said (sorry, forgot his name).  He was right
though.  While most of the stuff we now purchase has a Made in China
label on it, the majority of the companies are U.S. owned, and are
outsourcing the manufacturing.  The net profits still count towards a win
for the U.S. economy in my eyes though.

Ed
300E

On 24 January 2012 18:14, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 May I have permission to post this on my Facebook page? This will probably
 go viral...

 Rick
 Sent from my distant extension
 of A.G. Bell's invention

 On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

  No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil.  We figure we
  have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
  future use.  You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose
 up
  north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too.  We already
 offered
  once, but you didn't seem interested.  Really, we're nice guys here, and
 we
  would prefer that you, our friends get it.  And we're pretty easy going,
 so
  if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
  peace in Alberta. hee hee.  As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever
 you
  end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of
  it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.
 
  Ed
  300E
 
  On 24 January 2012 05:39, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Ron Paul  Warren Buffet would be the ticket.
 
  On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  --R wrote:
  That War for Oil is paying its dividends!
 
  They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
  to precipitate armageddon.  Idiots.  Take the Ron Paul approach and
  stop goading countries around the globe.  We can innovate out of our
  oil dependence - America has been there done that, but today it
  appears as if there is zero will to do the work and the
  corporate/government restrictions of innovation and invention is de
  rigeur today, to our demise.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread Dieselhead


No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil.  We figure we
have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and
future use.  You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up
north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too.  We already offered
once, but you didn't seem interested.  Really, we're nice guys here, and we
would prefer that you, our friends get it.  And we're pretty easy going, so
if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the
peace in Alberta. hee hee.  As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you
end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of
it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway.

Ed
300E


Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it.  Much more fun to 
attack libya and otherwise help the terrorists.


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread OK Don

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

Ed
300E

Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it. Much more fun to attack
libya and otherwise help the terrorists.

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread Rick Knoble

Actually, I think the idea is to refine crude in the Gulf Coast for shipment 
overseas. 

Rick
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 We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther
 than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-24 Thread OK Don

You're probably right - last I read, we ship 40% of the Diesel we produce
overseas, could increase that if we had more to ship. Doesn't help energy
independence, does it.
I did hear today that we're importing a lower percentage of foreign oil now
than years before, but don't remember the numbers.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Actually, I think the idea is to refine crude in the Gulf Coast for
 shipment overseas.

 Rick
 Sent from my distant extension
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 On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:07 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther
  than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for
  distribution

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Mountain Man

Craig wrote:
 We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
 to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
 for a faculty position Wednesday.

Is that John Brown U?
A friend's son went there not too long ago.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Allan Streib

Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes:

 I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
 oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
 price!

Yeah it used to be the case that you could justify the extra cost by the
longer change interval, it came out cheaper overall.  Not sure that's
the case any longer.

Check NAPA for Lubri-Moly synthetic, it's what the local MB indy uses
now.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Benz Hogs


Interview at JBU?  Good luck!

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 1/23/2012 4:25 PM, Craig wrote:

I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Dan Penoff

I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and it was 
almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
 complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the counter,
 the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.
 
 I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
 oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
 price!
 
 We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
 to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
 for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie Acres,
 but won't have any time to stop.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Rich Thomas

That War for Oil is paying its dividends!  BTW what was the price of 
gas 3 yr ago?


--R

On 1/23/12 5:25 PM, Craig wrote:

I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Mountain Man

--R wrote:
 That War for Oil is paying its dividends!

They are pre-pricing the new Iran war that the neo-con crewe all want
to precipitate armageddon.  Idiots.  Take the Ron Paul approach and
stop goading countries around the globe.  We can innovate out of our
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-)  Oh wait, we don't put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free filter in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and it
 was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

 Ouch.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

  I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
  complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the counter,
  the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.
 
  I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
  oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
  price!
 
  We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
  to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
  for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie Acres,
  but won't have any time to stop.
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Craig

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:35:20 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 Craig wrote:
  We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then
  fly to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
  interview for a faculty position Wednesday.
 
 Is that John Brown U?
 A friend's son went there not too long ago.

Yes.


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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Craig

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:38:14 -0600 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
wrote:

 Interview at JBU?  Good luck!

Thank you!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Randy Bennell

My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in 
stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live 
too far north of the border.


Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:

It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-)  Oh wait, we don't put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free filter in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com  wrote:


I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and it
was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net  wrote:


I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Contraband?  ;))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in 
stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live 
too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:
It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-)  Oh wait, we don't 
put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free filter 
in

with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com  wrote:

I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and it
was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net  wrote:

I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the 
counter,

the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the 
same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the 
sale

price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an 
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie 
Acres,

but won't have any time to stop.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Shhh. You know the deal.you don't mention the mobile 1 we sneak across
the border, and we won't mention the Cuban cigars you take home from your
visits to Toronto. ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 18:35, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Contraband? ;))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in
stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live
too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:

It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-) Oh wait, we don't
put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free filter
in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and it
was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote:

I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the
counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the
same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the
sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Max

Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.



Knock'em dead!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

I find the price of oil, along with pretty much everything else at my local
CT has really gone up over the last couple of years. I now buy 90% of my
stuff from indy parts stores, or order from the U.S., pay the shipping,
duty, tax, and it usually still comes out a lot cheaper than buying
locally.

Shipping costs are crazy here too! I got a box from Rusty once. Arrived
in about 3 days, and cost me something like $10 in shipping. Amazing
deal!! last time I sent a few magazines to the U.S., it was something
close to $15!

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 18:14, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in
stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live
too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:

It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-) Oh wait, we don't
put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free filter in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and it
was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote:

I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the
counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

'Never had a cigar, but I did have rust proofing and other work done to my 
71 Chrysler in Soo, ON.  Oh! - and skis, ski boots, clothes, etc., even 
hockey games, movies and restaurants.  I remember that they all gladly took 
greenbacks, too - even gave change in US $.  After all, we need to support 
each other, don't we?


(Suddenly, I've forgotten what that rust proofing was called.  I may not 
be able to sleep tonight if I can't remember it - oh! - Zebart! - is that 
it?)  I  may sleep OK, anyway.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...


Shhh.  You know the deal.you don't mention the mobile 1 we sneak 
across

the border, and we won't mention the Cuban cigars you take home from your
visits to Toronto. ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 18:35, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Contraband?  ;))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...



 My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in

stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live
too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:


It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-)  Oh wait, we don't
put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free filter
in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and 
it

was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net  wrote:

 I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to

complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the
counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the
same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the
sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then 
fly

to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Oh, I forgot hotel bills, ski lift and train tickets.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

'Never had a cigar, but I did have rust proofing and other work done to my 
71 Chrysler in Soo, ON.  Oh! - and skis, ski boots, clothes, etc., even 
hockey games, movies and restaurants.  I remember that they all gladly 
took greenbacks, too - even gave change in US $.  After all, we need to 
support each other, don't we?

(Suddenly, I've forgotten what that rust proofing was called.  I may not 
be able to sleep tonight if I can't remember it - oh! - Zebart! - is that 
it?)  I  may sleep OK, anyway.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Shhh.  You know the deal.you don't mention the mobile 1 we sneak 
across

the border, and we won't mention the Cuban cigars you take home from your
visits to Toronto. ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 18:35, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Contraband?  ;))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

 My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in

stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live
too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:

It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-)  Oh wait, we 
don't

put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free 
filter

in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and 
it

was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net  wrote:

 I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to

complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the
counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the
same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the
sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then 
fly

to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Well crap if you are driving down 412 to Arkansas you will be within about 5 
miles of okie acres

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On Jan 23, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to
 complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the counter,
 the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.
 
 I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the same
 oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the sale
 price!
 
 We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then fly
 to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an interview
 for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie Acres,
 but won't have any time to stop.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Ah, Zebart, though in true Canadian fashion, we should probably call it
Zedbart. hee hee. I had it applied every couple of years to my first car,
which was a '75 Pontiac LeMans. In the end, I think the zebart was the
only thing holding the poor floorpan on the car! If there was ever a time
when out two countries tried to work together, and at the same time, keep
our own identaties, it was with the car! lol. Speedo was in both metric
and real money, as were all the nuts and bolts. My collection of wrenches
and sockets doubled within a couple of years of owning that car.

We're still very happy to take the greenback. It's not at all uncommon for
me to reach into my pocket, and pull out a handful of change, and find a
few American coins in there.

You've never had a cigar, and I've never had a proper glass of iced tea.
What are they to do with a couple of guys like us, Wilton ?? lol ;-)

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 20:23, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

'Never had a cigar, but I did have rust proofing and other work done to my
71 Chrysler in Soo, ON. Oh! - and skis, ski boots, clothes, etc., even
hockey games, movies and restaurants. I remember that they all gladly took
greenbacks, too - even gave change in US $. After all, we need to support
each other, don't we?

(Suddenly, I've forgotten what that rust proofing was called. I may not
be able to sleep tonight if I can't remember it - oh! - Zebart! - is that
it?) I may sleep OK, anyway.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Shhh. You know the deal.you don't mention the mobile 1 we sneak
across
the border, and we won't mention the Cuban cigars you take home from your
visits to Toronto. ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 18:35, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Contraband? ;))

Wilton

My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in

stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live
too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:

It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-) Oh wait, we don't
put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free filter
in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday and
it

was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote:

I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to

complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the
counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the
same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the
sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then
fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

When I used to travel down to Mexico, Jamaica, or the Islands, I'd always
take American money for tips etc. They'd want nothing to do with Canadian
money, and want the American money, even over their own currency. I'm sure
that applies when traveling in Europe now too! hee hee ;-)

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 20:28, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Oh, I forgot hotel bills, ski lift and train tickets.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

'Never had a cigar, but I did have rust proofing and other work done to
my 71 Chrysler in Soo, ON. Oh! - and skis, ski boots, clothes, etc., even
hockey games, movies and restaurants. I remember that they all gladly took
greenbacks, too - even gave change in US $. After all, we need to support
each other, don't we?

(Suddenly, I've forgotten what that rust proofing was called. I may
not be able to sleep tonight if I can't remember it - oh! - Zebart! - is
that it?) I may sleep OK, anyway.

Wilton

Shhh. You know the deal.you don't mention the mobile 1 we sneak
across
the border, and we won't mention the Cuban cigars you take home from your
visits to Toronto. ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 18:35, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Contraband? ;))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any in

stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't live
too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:

It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-) Oh wait, we
don't
put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free
filter
in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday
and it

was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote:

I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to

complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the
counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the
same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the
sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then
fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.

Craig

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2012-01-23 Thread Allan Streib

E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes:

 Shipping costs are crazy here too!  I got a box from Rusty once.  Arrived
 in about 3 days, and cost me something like $10 in shipping. Amazing
 deal!!  last time I sent a few magazines to the U.S., it was something
 close to $15!

When shipping to Canada, I've heard you want to avoid the private
shipping companies such as UPS, FedEx, as they will ream you on customs
brokerage fees.  Send it parcel post at the post office.  Slower,
maybe, but a lot cheaper.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Canada Post are happy to collect the taxes too.  Remind me what all this
free trade was about?  I guess free, ain't so free after all. ;-)

What hurts the most, is sending something out from Canada.  If I send a
small book, or a couple of chocolate bars (surface) overseas, I usually pay
equal to, or double to ship it, as what I paid to buy the item.  Couriers
are out of the question for such a thing.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 21:47, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes:

  Shipping costs are crazy here too!  I got a box from Rusty once.  Arrived
  in about 3 days, and cost me something like $10 in shipping. Amazing
  deal!!  last time I sent a few magazines to the U.S., it was something
  close to $15!

 When shipping to Canada, I've heard you want to avoid the private
 shipping companies such as UPS, FedEx, as they will ream you on customs
 brokerage fees.  Send it parcel post at the post office.  Slower,
 maybe, but a lot cheaper.

 Allan
 --
 1983 300D
 1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

BTW, I had a '64 Dodge van and a '74 Plymouth/Dodge van both made in 
Windsor, ON.
Until several years ago, we often had CN dimes mixed in with our change; 
'never had any problem at all using them.


Wilton

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From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...



Ah, Zebart, though in true Canadian fashion, we should probably call it
Zedbart. hee hee.  I had it applied every couple of years to my first car,
which was a '75 Pontiac LeMans.  In the end, I think the zebart was the
only thing holding the poor floorpan on the car!  If there was ever a time
when out two countries tried to work together, and at the same time, keep
our own identaties, it was with the car! lol.  Speedo was in both metric
and real money, as were all the nuts and bolts.  My collection of wrenches
and sockets doubled within a couple of years of owning that car.

We're still very happy to take the greenback.  It's not at all uncommon 
for

me to reach into my pocket, and pull out a handful of change, and find a
few American coins in there.

You've never had a cigar, and I've never had a proper glass of iced tea.
What are they to do with a couple of guys like us, Wilton ??  lol  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 20:23, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

'Never had a cigar, but I did have rust proofing and other work done to 
my

71 Chrysler in Soo, ON.  Oh! - and skis, ski boots, clothes, etc., even
hockey games, movies and restaurants.  I remember that they all gladly 
took
greenbacks, too - even gave change in US $.  After all, we need to 
support

each other, don't we?

(Suddenly, I've forgotten what that rust proofing was called.  I may 
not

be able to sleep tonight if I can't remember it - oh! - Zebart! - is that
it?)  I  may sleep OK, anyway.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...


 Shhh.  You know the deal.you don't mention the mobile 1 we sneak

across
the border, and we won't mention the Cuban cigars you take home from 
your

visits to Toronto. ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 18:35, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Contraband?  ;))


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell 
rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...



 My local Cdn Tire advertises it on sale - but then does not have any 
in



stock when I go to get it.
I have been bringing mine in from North Dakota. Good thing I don't 
live

too far north of the border.

Randy

On 23/01/2012 5:04 PM, E M wrote:

 It would still be considered on sale, in Canada. ;-)  Oh wait, we 
don't

put
things like that on sale in Canada, we just throw the odd free 
filter

in
with the deal.

Ed
300E

On 23 January 2012 17:45, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 I just bought a five quart jug of 15W-50 at Wally World on Sunday 
and

it


was almost $28.00. A quart was nearly $7.00.

Ouch.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net  wrote:

 I just got back from NAPA where I bought 5 quarts Mobil1 0W-40 to


complete the oil change on the '95 E320. I put the 5 jugs on the
counter,
the guy rung it up, and said, That will be $54.84.

I was astounded. Another fellow behind the counter said he uses the
same
oil and that it has gone up astronomically. $10.22 per quart is the
sale
price!

We are going to be taking off soon to drive to Albuquerque and then
fly
to Tulsa and then drive to Siloam Springs, AR, where I have an
interview
for a faculty position Wednesday. We will be driving close to Okie
Acres,
but won't have any time to stop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

Coupla months ago, UPS reamed # 1 grandson in France on shipment of a 
leather jacket.

Wilton

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From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes:

Shipping costs are crazy here too!  I got a box from Rusty once.  Arrived
in about 3 days, and cost me something like $10 in shipping. Amazing
deal!!  last time I sent a few magazines to the U.S., it was something
close to $15!

When shipping to Canada, I've heard you want to avoid the private
shipping companies such as UPS, FedEx, as they will ream you on customs
brokerage fees.  Send it parcel post at the post office.  Slower,
maybe, but a lot cheaper.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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