Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 18, 2018 at 7:25 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And the feds cracked down on imports of non-DOT certifiable ATE Superblue, 
> because of the 'brake fluid is clear or amber' rule, and the price of ATE 
> Gold is way higher than I used to pay Gary and Rusty 15 years ago...


The ATE situation is no longer all that dire. 
I can get the amber 5.1 from Advance Auto for about a buck more than I used to 
pay Rusty (after 25% coupon):
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/ate-type-200-amber-brake-fluid-1-liter-3c10035662ate/11076067-p

And there's a new ATE fluid, it's special low viscosity stuff for faster on/off 
cycling in computer managed braking systems like ABS/BAS/4Matic. This will 
probably be my new Mercedes fluid of choice, at least in cars made in the last 
30 years. 
https://www.amazon.com/ATE-706402-Original-Brake-Fluid/dp/B003479F66
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/ate-sl6-dot4-low-viscosity-brake-fluid-1-liter-3c100237682ate/11075990-p

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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I just ordered from Advance Auto 5 bottles of


   Valvoline DOT 3 and 4 Brake Fluid (32 oz.)
   


Part No: 601458
Warranty 30 DAY REPLACEMENT IF DEFECTIVE 


$7.99   X   5$39.95

On 8/18/18 6:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Walmart has it now

with a 25% discount, free shipping, seems like a good price and I don't 
have to go anywhere to deal with it, will be here Tues or Wed.


Ordered 4 brake hoses from Amazon Prime, will be here Tues probably too, 
free shipping seems a decent price, I vaguely have heard of this brand


2 

2 of Dorman H380009 Hydraulic Brake Hose 
 


Sold by: Amazon.com Services, Inc.
$7.28
Condition: New

Buy it again
2 

2 of Dorman H38514 Hydraulic Brake Hose 
 


Sold by: Amazon.com Services, Inc.
$7.21
Condition: New

--FT









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On Aug 18, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

Sometimes its difficult to find DOT 4. My local Autozone didn't carry it for a 
long time. I'm not sure what finally got them to have it. Strangely they'd have 
DOT 5 but not DOT 4.
My local Federated Autoparts had DOT 4 in one of the Euro brands I can't think 
of at this moment...
-Curt


On Saturday, August 18, 2018, 1:56:25 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

DOT 3 has a lower boiling point and it intended for use with drum brakes, if I 
remember correctly.  Use DOT4, it's for disk brakes.  As I remember there isn't 
enough price difference (if any) to matter.

Reminds me I need to bleed the brakes on the 300D, I want to get it back on the 
road.  Sadly it will probably need more than just the brakes bled.
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Prestone, Valvoline and Castrol all sell DOT 4 and should be available at 
virtually every FLAPS. 
I can get Prestone and Valvoline at the supermarket too. 
Unfortunately the Valvoline changed from Syntec to Synthetic DOT 3 & 4 several 
years ago and the boiling point went down from nearly 5.1 standards to barely 
meeting DOT 4. 
And the feds cracked down on imports of non-DOT certifiable ATE Superblue, 
because of the 'brake fluid is clear or amber' rule, and the price of ATE Gold 
is way higher than I used to pay Gary and Rusty 15 years ago...

Mitch. 


> On August 18, 2018 at 6:18 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sometimes its difficult to find DOT 4.

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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Walmart has it now 

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> On Aug 18, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sometimes its difficult to find DOT 4. My local Autozone didn't carry it for 
> a long time. I'm not sure what finally got them to have it. Strangely they'd 
> have DOT 5 but not DOT 4.
> My local Federated Autoparts had DOT 4 in one of the Euro brands I can't 
> think of at this moment...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Saturday, August 18, 2018, 1:56:25 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> DOT 3 has a lower boiling point and it intended for use with drum brakes, if 
> I remember correctly.  Use DOT4, it's for disk brakes.  As I remember there 
> isn't enough price difference (if any) to matter.
> 
> Reminds me I need to bleed the brakes on the 300D, I want to get it back on 
> the road.  Sadly it will probably need more than just the brakes bled.
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sometimes its difficult to find DOT 4. My local Autozone didn't carry it for a 
long time. I'm not sure what finally got them to have it. Strangely they'd have 
DOT 5 but not DOT 4.
My local Federated Autoparts had DOT 4 in one of the Euro brands I can't think 
of at this moment...
-Curt
 

On Saturday, August 18, 2018, 1:56:25 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 DOT 3 has a lower boiling point and it intended for use with drum brakes, if I 
remember correctly.  Use DOT4, it's for disk brakes.  As I remember there isn't 
enough price difference (if any) to matter.

Reminds me I need to bleed the brakes on the 300D, I want to get it back on the 
road.  Sadly it will probably need more than just the brakes bled.
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Thanks, good advice. 

I’m gonna order a set of hoses then do a flush. 

--R
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> On Aug 18, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> DOT 3 has a lower boiling point and it intended for use with drum brakes, if 
> I remember correctly.  Use DOT4, it's for disk brakes.  As I remember there 
> isn't enough price difference (if any) to matter.
> 
> Reminds me I need to bleed the brakes on the 300D, I want to get it back on 
> the road.  Sadly it will probably need more than just the brakes bled.
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

DOT 3 has a lower boiling point and it intended for use with drum brakes, if I 
remember correctly.  Use DOT4, it's for disk brakes.  As I remember there isn't 
enough price difference (if any) to matter.

Reminds me I need to bleed the brakes on the 300D, I want to get it back on the 
road.  Sadly it will probably need more than just the brakes bled.
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Also. since MB specified DOT4 - - - why even consider anything else?
I'd look at all the hoses - if they all look the same age, I'd replace them
all, then just flush the brake fluid once. The brake system is too critical
to risk old hoses.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:07 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:08:46 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > No idea what’s in it. I’ll get a hose first, give that a try, and flush
> > the system with fresh fluid. DOT4?
>
> Well, with DOT3 having been dissed, the only other choice would be DOT4
> -- DOT5 is troublesome with moisture in the air, which you do have.  :-)
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:08:46 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> No idea what’s in it. I’ll get a hose first, give that a try, and flush
> the system with fresh fluid. DOT4?

Well, with DOT3 having been dissed, the only other choice would be DOT4
-- DOT5 is troublesome with moisture in the air, which you do have.  :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

No idea what’s in it. I’ll get a hose first, give that a try, and flush the 
system with fresh fluid. DOT4?

--FT
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On Aug 17, 2018, at 5:44 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Buggered wrote:
> 
>> I was driving the 560SEC this afternoon 
> 
>> I pulled into a gas station there (was gonna get gas anyway) and
>> it was VERY hot so I figured the brake caliper (break caliber)
>> was stuck.
> 
> I would suspect the hose long before blaming the caliper.
> 
> Has the system ever had DOT3 fluid in it?  That seems to cause
> hose swelling.
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Buggered wrote:

> I was driving the 560SEC this afternoon 

> I pulled into a gas station there (was gonna get gas anyway) and
> it was VERY hot so I figured the brake caliper (break caliber)
> was stuck.

I would suspect the hose long before blaming the caliper.

Has the system ever had DOT3 fluid in it?  That seems to cause
hose swelling.

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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I had that happen to me once on an early VW bug. I managed to open the bleeder 
and relieve the pressure, and that somehow was a permanent fix. Definitely 
(defiantly) weird!

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

I was driving the 560SEC this afternoon and it was doing the front end shaking 
thing again (it has been intermittent) and when I stopped at s light after 
driving about 15miles at 45-50 the RF wheel seemed like it was smoking. I 
pulled into a gas station there (was gonna get gas anyway) and it was VERY hot 
so I figured the brake caliper (break caliber) was stuck. As I was leaving the 
pedal was really mushy, I figured the fluid (break flood) was boiling or 
something. I stopped at a NAPA down the road to see if by chance they might 
have a caliper in stock. Nope. By then the brake pedal (break petal) was ok and 
it seemed to have unstuck some. I came home with no further incident. 

I gotta go look in the barn and see if one of the calipers off the 420SEL I 
knackered is any good. I could swap that on and see if things are happier. If 
not I’ll order a reman, NAPA wanted $77 for one, I think I got a 20% coupon 
from Advance Auto so that would be helpful. 

These old cars!  I did see a silver 300CD just ahead of me when I stopped at 
the light so that was fun. There’s a cars & coffee tomorrow if I had this 78 CD 
fixed up with the new brakes I could take that over. 

--R
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Re: [MBZ] Break caliber ceased

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

How old are the hoses?

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> On Aug 17, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was driving the 560SEC this afternoon and it was doing the front end 
> shaking thing again (it has been intermittent) and when I stopped at s light 
> after driving about 15miles at 45-50 the RF wheel seemed like it was smoking. 
> I pulled into a gas station there (was gonna get gas anyway) and it was VERY 
> hot so I figured the brake caliper (break caliber) was stuck. As I was 
> leaving the pedal was really mushy, I figured the fluid (break flood) was 
> boiling or something. I stopped at a NAPA down the road to see if by chance 
> they might have a caliper in stock. Nope. By then the brake pedal (break 
> petal) was ok and it seemed to have unstuck some. I came home with no further 
> incident. 
> 
> I gotta go look in the barn and see if one of the calipers off the 420SEL I 
> knackered is any good. I could swap that on and see if things are happier. If 
> not I’ll order a reman, NAPA wanted $77 for one, I think I got a 20% coupon 
> from Advance Auto so that would be helpful. 
> 
> These old cars!  I did see a silver 300CD just ahead of me when I stopped at 
> the light so that was fun. There’s a cars & coffee tomorrow if I had this 78 
> CD fixed up with the new brakes I could take that over. 
> 
> --R
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