Re: [MBZ] Changes at VW
Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: So, you honestly DON't want a twin turbo V12? http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2352057-2005-mercedes-benz-cl65-amg-renntech.html I don't want it, at least not $24k worth. I should have watched that. The owner put it up on eBay twice, it went for 18.1k and 18k. I might have been a buyer at that price, but I really shouldn't do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changes at VW
On Fri, 8 May 2015 07:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On May 7, 2015 at 8:42 PM archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Attitudes toward cars have changed. Many people no longer care about horsepower and speed. They care about zero-emissions automobiles -- and are foolish enough to believe that electric cars don't have emissions. Fixed it for you. Actually, I bet people aren't into 'zero emissions', they're into 'zero fuel taxes', especially in Europe. I was visiting Shirley in the hospital and walked behind a vehicle (I didn't note which marque) that sported a PZEV emblem. I looked more closely and saw that it meant Partial Zero Emission Vehicle. I laughed out loud. Our 1982 240D/3.0 is also a PZEV! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changes at VW
That's like being partially pregnant with twins --R (I only did it once!) On 5/8/15 9:22 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: I was visiting Shirley in the hospital and walked behind a vehicle (I didn't note which marque) that sported a PZEV emblem. I looked more closely and saw that it meant Partial Zero Emission Vehicle. I laughed out loud. Our 1982 240D/3.0 is also a PZEV! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On May 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oh man if I had $24k burning a hole in my pocket... I have always like the style on those cars. I saw a coupla CL65s in Houston driving around, I drooled. My first thought was I had to have it, a Supercar for the price of a new Cruze LTZ. My 2nd thought was hey dummy, you don't borrow money to buy toys, or even cars, remember? But yeah, if I had $24k in discretionary spending dollars laying around... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh man if I had $24k burning a hole in my pocket... I have always like the style on those cars. I saw a coupla CL65s in Houston driving around, I drooled. --R On 5/8/15 7:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: So, you honestly DON't want a twin turbo V12? http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2352057-2005-mercedes-benz-cl65-amg-renntech.html I don't want it, at least not $24k worth. If I found an old Acura NSX in similar condition for $10k, I'd be all over it. That's my idea of a supercar. Perfectly balanced mid engine handling, 270hp V6, 30 MPG... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changes at VW
So, you honestly DON't want a twin turbo V12? http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2352057-2005-mercedes-benz-cl65-amg-renntech.html I don't want it, at least not $24k worth. If I found an old Acura NSX in similar condition for $10k, I'd be all over it. That's my idea of a supercar. Perfectly balanced mid engine handling, 270hp V6, 30 MPG... Mitch. On May 7, 2015 at 9:50 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm firmly entrenched in the Millenial world (after 45 years, everyone is catching up to me). I'm quite satisfied with my 2004 VW Golf -- 45 plus mpg on my routine commute, very low emissions for a diesel, and running strong at 125,000 miles. The very last thing I want is a car that does 0-60 mph in 2 seconds -- it inevitably will be a fuel hog and I hate spending money on fuel, to say nothing of dumping huge amounts of carbon into the air. I had my fun car, the 280 SE 4.5, and don't regret retiring it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changes at VW
On May 7, 2015 at 8:42 PM archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Attitudes toward cars have changed. Many people no longer care about horsepower and speed. They care about zero-emissions automobiles -- and are foolish enough to believe that electric cars don't have emissions. Fixed it for you. Actually, I bet people aren't into 'zero emissions', they're into 'zero fuel taxes', especially in Europe. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On May 8, 2015 at 7:36 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Holy crap, I sent a post to the list and it swiftly landed in my inbox. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changes at VW
I'm firmly entrenched in the Millenial world (after 45 years, everyone is catching up to me). I'm quite satisfied with my 2004 VW Golf -- 45 plus mpg on my routine commute, very low emissions for a diesel, and running strong at 125,000 miles. The very last thing I want is a car that does 0-60 mph in 2 seconds -- it inevitably will be a fuel hog and I hate spending money on fuel, to say nothing of dumping huge amounts of carbon into the air. I had my fun car, the 280 SE 4.5, and don't regret retiring it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Gerry! Interesting. I am firmly entrenched in the old world. 240D x 2 SDL, and 300D VWs two powerful leaders have split. A short history of VW and Porsche, as well as a short history of its two dominant families. Excerpt: Snip.Here's just one example of the kind of old thinking that will no longer fly. At the VW Group Night at the Geneva Motor Show at the beginning of June, all the company's units presented their cars in a former warehouse building. The music thumped, there was laser lighting and the managers of each unit drove their latest models onto the stage. Mathias Müller of Porsche arrived in a Cayman Gt4, which has 385 horsepower and can accelerate to a speed of 100 kilometers per hour (62 miles per hour) in four seconds; Rupert Stadler of Audi entered in an R3, which has 610 horsepower and can do the same in 3.2 seconds; Stephan Winkelmann of Laborghini, came in an Aventador Superveloce, which has 750 horsepower and can reach 100 kilometers per hour in 2.8 seconds. It was a classic example of boys with their toys -- who had the biggest, longest and strongest? An Outmoded World That's the world in which Winterkorn and Piëch live. But it's no longer a world that younger people can identify with. Attitudes toward cars have changed. Many people no longer care about horsepower and speed. They care about zero-emissions automobiles -- and right now BMW (i3) and Tesla (Model S) offer the most exciting electric cars on the market. Plenty of people no longer even want to own their automobile. For them, there's Car2go from Daimler, which offers car sharing in 29 cities around the world. So far, Volkswagen has done very little in the new world of mobility...snip http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/the-families-at-the-center-of-the-power-struggle-at-volkswagen-a-1032210.html Gerry...between the two worlds with a Prius ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
