Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Bolt it to the street curb, use it, then unbolt it and stash it 
somewhere until needed again?



clay monroe via Mercedes 
January 30, 2018 at 7:16 PM
All my cool tools are bolted to logs standing on end. Grinder, buffer, 
vac pump, chop saw. I have to haul them out of my tiny shed, onto my 
tiny porch, use them, then stuff them back into the hole. No room for 
a pallet to hold a tire do-hickey. I have to use the welding table as 
picnic table space is so dear.



clay



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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> tyee165 wrote:

> Need a means of bolting to the floor in a manner that permits
> removal. Must be some sort of threaded insert for concrete.

Yup.  That was what I had in mind with the comment 
  "I figure I could put nut-anchors in the concrete and only bolt
   the changer in place when I need it."

Something like this should do the job.

https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/50403


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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

All my cool tools are bolted to logs standing on end.  Grinder, buffer, vac 
pump, chop saw.  I have to haul them out of my tiny shed, onto my tiny porch, 
use them, then stuff them back into the hole.  No room for a pallet to hold a 
tire do-hickey.I have to use the welding table as picnic table space is so 
dear.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 30, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The other thing with these machines is that they are really very basic. As 
> such, there is little need to mount them inside a garage. Any solid concrete 
> pad should do. The weather ought not to hurt them much. If it pleases, you, 
> paint them annually. Oil up any threads and carry on.
> Hey, mount it on the patio and add a removable table to hold your cold drinks.
> 
> RB 

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I tried the long blade to see if I could section the tires.  That was a bit 
unwieldy.  The blade was also getting too close to the face of the rim, so I 
will wait for the rain to stop and switch to a much shorter blade to trim the 
sidewalls down.


Clay


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> On Jan 30, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 30, 2018 at 12:43 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote: 
>> So it would seem - but though I have not done it, I have read
>> about folks who have and what I've seen says "not so good".  Maybe
>> its the jerking action, maybe it's that 4ft isn't enough.
>> 
> 
> I suppose another option is to bolt it to the floor in a corner and stack 
> loose tires over it so that it doesn't waste storage space. But then you 
> can't walk around the tire, you might have to stop and rotate the wheel in 
> the machine as you work around the rim. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:58:27 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The other thing with these machines is that they are really very basic. 
> As such, there is little need to mount them inside a garage. Any solid 
> concrete pad should do. The weather ought not to hurt them much. If it 
> pleases, you, paint them annually. Oil up any threads and carry on.
> Hey, mount it on the patio and add a removable table to hold your cold 
> drinks.

Now there's an idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

The other thing with these machines is that they are really very basic. 
As such, there is little need to mount them inside a garage. Any solid 
concrete pad should do. The weather ought not to hurt them much. If it 
pleases, you, paint them annually. Oil up any threads and carry on.
Hey, mount it on the patio and add a removable table to hold your cold 
drinks.


RB

On 30/01/2018 12:08 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

I have the Coats version of that manual tire machine... [exactly same
principles, just an old industrial machine]. Being a confirmed bottom
feeder, I picked it up at a property sale, complete with all attachments...

I mounted it to a 48" x 48" pallet, with a piece of 3/4 inch plywood
covering the pallet and through bolts that caught both the pallet and the
plywood.. Tire work is done standing on the pallet with zero issues. The
machine has manual bead break for both front and back sides, and a lever
bar that's about 4' long.

Tip: Buy a gallon of Ruglyde rubber lubricant and the mop, slop it on the
bead of the tire, both sides, AND the rim... it makes remounts go easy. I
also use it for dismounts to help old rubber slip off the rims. Failing
that, a stiff mix of dish soap and a brush will give good service... don't
be shy, slop it on.

A search of the inter-web will pull up a YouTube video that compares the
Harbor Freight tire tool vs the Northern Tool unit... Northern Tool wins
hands down... Slight more money, much stronger build.. better quality...
Your choice...




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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:20:38 -0600 tyee165 via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Need a means of bolting to the floor in a manner that permits removal.
> Must be some sort of threaded insert for concrete.

There are all sorts of threaded inserts for concrete. I used some when I
was adding a closet to our garage in Los Alamos. The 50+ year old
concrete was very hard.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Need a means of bolting to the floor in a manner that permits removal. Must be 
some sort of threaded insert for concrete.


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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2018-01-30  6:45 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
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<mi...@mitchellhaley.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be 
resolved with this 

> On January 30, 2018 at 12:43 AM fmiser via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote: 
> So it would seem - but though I have not done it, I have read
> about folks who have and what I've seen says "not so good".  Maybe
> its the jerking action, maybe it's that 4ft isn't enough.
> 

I suppose another option is to bolt it to the floor in a corner and stack loose 
tires over it so that it doesn't waste storage space. But then you can't walk 
around the tire, you might have to stop and rotate the wheel in the machine as 
you work around the rim. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 30, 2018 at 12:43 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote: 
> So it would seem - but though I have not done it, I have read
> about folks who have and what I've seen says "not so good".  Maybe
> its the jerking action, maybe it's that 4ft isn't enough.
> 

I suppose another option is to bolt it to the floor in a corner and stack loose 
tires over it so that it doesn't waste storage space. But then you can't walk 
around the tire, you might have to stop and rotate the wheel in the machine as 
you work around the rim. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I have the Coats version of that manual tire machine... [exactly same
principles, just an old industrial machine]. Being a confirmed bottom
feeder, I picked it up at a property sale, complete with all attachments...

I mounted it to a 48" x 48" pallet, with a piece of 3/4 inch plywood
covering the pallet and through bolts that caught both the pallet and the
plywood.. Tire work is done standing on the pallet with zero issues. The
machine has manual bead break for both front and back sides, and a lever
bar that's about 4' long.

Tip: Buy a gallon of Ruglyde rubber lubricant and the mop, slop it on the
bead of the tire, both sides, AND the rim... it makes remounts go easy. I
also use it for dismounts to help old rubber slip off the rims. Failing
that, a stiff mix of dish soap and a brush will give good service... don't
be shy, slop it on.

A search of the inter-web will pull up a YouTube video that compares the
Harbor Freight tire tool vs the Northern Tool unit... Northern Tool wins
hands down... Slight more money, much stronger build.. better quality...
Your choice...

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:43 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > > > Randy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html
> > > >
> > > > The biggest issue then is where to install it. If need be, I
> > > > think it could be bolted to a 4X4 square of plywood so that
> > > > it could be used without permanent installation in one's
> > > > garage.
>
> > > fmiser wrote:
> > >
> > > Might work, but there is a _lot_ of force applied.  Something
> > > more secure than a loose piece of wood may be required.
>
> > Mitch wrote:
> >
> > The wood isn't effectively loose if you're standing on it while
> > you operate the machine. That way it's self contained with the
> > tool and the power source on the same platform.
>
> So it would seem - but though I have not done it, I have read
> about folks who have and what I've seen says "not so good".  Maybe
> its the jerking action, maybe it's that 4ft isn't enough.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Randy wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html
> > >
> > > The biggest issue then is where to install it. If need be, I
> > > think it could be bolted to a 4X4 square of plywood so that
> > > it could be used without permanent installation in one's
> > > garage. 

> > fmiser wrote:
> > 
> > Might work, but there is a _lot_ of force applied.  Something
> > more secure than a loose piece of wood may be required.

> Mitch wrote:
> 
> The wood isn't effectively loose if you're standing on it while
> you operate the machine. That way it's self contained with the
> tool and the power source on the same platform.

So it would seem - but though I have not done it, I have read
about folks who have and what I've seen says "not so good".  Maybe
its the jerking action, maybe it's that 4ft isn't enough.

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

The HF Tire Changer needs a good base.

We used a heavy pallet with the slots filled in with slats from another. It was 
then topped by three-quarter plywood and lag bolted into the "beams" at the 
center of one edge.

Works OK


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 29 January 2018 19:26
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Cc: Mitch Haley
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this


> On January 29, 2018 at 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
>
>
> > Randy wrote:
>
> > https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

When I bought SWMBO's 240D it had steel rims on it. Along with a set of 
bunts

that someone had cut the tires off and left the bead on the rim.
Three of the steeles had dents along the bead lip. It had fairly new 
rubber on them.

I decided to swap the rubber to the bunts.
A friend had  the HF tire machine we mounted it to a 1" T shaped piece 
of plywood.
Stand on the leg portion of the T put tire on machine pull handle pop of 
the bead

used a recp. saw to cut the bead.
Cleaned up the bunts and used a HF powder coating sprayer with the HF 
sliver power
coating. Bunts came out looking good. Thp HF paint is almost a match for 
the original

MB paint. To bad HF doesn't carry it any more.

Russ
On Mon,1/29/18 18:26, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On January 29, 2018 at 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes  
wrote:



Randy wrote:
https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html
The biggest issue then is where to install it. If need be, I
think it could be bolted to a 4X4 square of plywood so that it
could be used without permanent installation in one's garage.

Might work, but there is a _lot_ of force applied.  Something more
secure than a loose piece of wood may be required.

The wood isn't effectively loose if you're standing on it while you operate the 
machine. That way it's self contained with the tool and the power source on the 
same platform.
Then the only question is whether the wood is strong enough to transmit the 
force from the base of the stand to your feet. I'm thinking the plywood should 
be about an inch thick.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 29, 2018 at 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Randy wrote:
> 
> > https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html
> 
> > The biggest issue then is where to install it. If need be, I
> > think it could be bolted to a 4X4 square of plywood so that it
> > could be used without permanent installation in one's garage. 
> 
> Might work, but there is a _lot_ of force applied.  Something more
> secure than a loose piece of wood may be required.

The wood isn't effectively loose if you're standing on it while you operate the 
machine. That way it's self contained with the tool and the power source on the 
same platform. 
Then the only question is whether the wood is strong enough to transmit the 
force from the base of the stand to your feet. I'm thinking the plywood should 
be about an inch thick. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Randy wrote:

> https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html

> The biggest issue then is where to install it. If need be, I
> think it could be bolted to a 4X4 square of plywood so that it
> could be used without permanent installation in one's garage. 

Might work, but there is a _lot_ of force applied.  Something more
secure than a loose piece of wood may be required.

I've thought about fabricating a way to mount a machine like that
to a 2-inch box-receiver hitch.  I have multiple cars with that
hitch, and I don't think I could ever apply enough force to
overload the receiver or move the car.  The car would wiggle on
the suspension, though. 

Bolted to the concrete would be better, but not as portable.  I
figure I could put nut-anchors in the concrete and only bolt the
changer in place when I need it.

Maybe both...

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I did contemplate that solution.  


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 29, 2018, at 5:20 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/01/2018 7:27 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Not for alloy wheels.   Tar changers for alloy wheels have to have the 
plastic cover to prevent scratching and dinging up the alloy.



tyee165 via Mercedes 
January 29, 2018 at 7:20 AM
https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html



No doubt one would need to take extra care and maybe put something on 
the wheel to protect it where it comes in contact with the tire machine. 
- Duct tape?
However, I think it could be done and the machine is not expensive. The 
biggest issue then is where to install it. If need be, I think it could 
be bolted to a 4X4 square of plywood so that it could be used without 
permanent installation in one's garage. Then it could be dismantled 
between uses. I think Fred's suggestion of an old leather glove might 
work fine to protect the edge of the wheel when sliding the bar around 
the rim. I would also agree that it would likely be better to have the 
new tires installed by a shop with better equipment once the wheels have 
been repainted.


I have one of these things bolted down in my garage and although I don't 
use it much, it is handy to change things like trailer tires. It does 
take some space but I have other stuff piled around it so not a big 
issue. I just have to move things when I want to use it.
I have been thinking that I might want to get one of the other changers 
that is intended for things like lawn tractor tires.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.

Some years ago, Luke gave me one of those.

It works well for bead breaking and tyre removal, poorly for tyre installation.

For MBZ alloy wheels and others, an old leather glove protects the finish.

YMMV.

Fred.


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Re: [MBZ] Clay's tire issues could be resolved with this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not for alloy wheels.   Tar changers for alloy wheels have to have the 
plastic cover to prevent scratching and dinging up the alloy.



tyee165 via Mercedes 
January 29, 2018 at 7:20 AM
https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-62317.html



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