Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
The nice thing about coolant is that it leaves a white residue behind after evaporation, so you can easily spot the leak source. I just found a loose upper radiator hose on my '87 wagon, happened to notice a wet spot under the car and popped the hood to find the leak in about three seconds. I'm hopping this will cure a persistent coolant loss problem. I have analyzed the used engine oil three times and found no evidence of coolant in the oil, so I don't think I have a leaking head gasket. Have new expansion tank and cap. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak The cap on my exp tank was bad and I replaced it a few weeks ago - was hoping that might be causing the leak but no such luck. As you said, they can look good but be bad. When I examined the rubber seal I found it had come apart from the metal parts. Naturally , after I bought one from Rusty I found a new one on my pegboard. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak Yeah they do that too. As someone else already mentioned, the radiator cap on the tank can look ok and cause problems. If the coolant only goes down when you drive, look at the tank and cap. If it goes down while setting, look at the WP, hoses etc. I went through a rach of bad Radiator caps on Diesels until I bought new caps for all of them. A few years ago Marshall or someone recomended replacing the rad caps every ___ years as a matter of PM. I never did. I just replace them when there is a problem. But the problems I had with the 300D will make me reconsider. I may go to a 5 yr. replacement PM program. Or, by then I may sell the car. Who knows? The mystery leak in my son's 603 300D turned out to be a crack in the coolant tank just under a fitting on the side facing the front. Only saw it when it got bad enough to see dripping under the car. Saw a small stream squirting forward when up to temp and under pressure. Liquid steel cured it. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does the 124 have that little stubby hose between the thermostat housing and the water pump housing like the 123 does? Thats what was leaking on my 240D... I did the waterpump while I was there, I figured that was $45 of cheap insurance. -Curt -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
Thanks Craig - I never woulda thunk it! ;-) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:59:58 -0500 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I'll send in a sample this week and see what the analysis says. That's a superb idea. I even know where you can send it: OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
Thanks for that info! I also have a new WP on the shelf. I changed the T'stat when I bought the car as it was stuck open. I was kind of thinking it was the pump seal too - your experience reinforces that opinion. Was looking at changing the WP but it looks like a lot of work. ;-) Just not in the mood... I'll do an analysis of the oil to insure the head gasket is ok and keep an eye on the coolant level. Thx agn - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak My guess is that you have a water pump seal weeping. Most of my 603s have done this. On the first one, I did replace the WP and it stopped. On my current 603 300D, it has leaked since I got it. Massively over the winter when the car is stored. No water on the floor ever. The leak is slow enough that there is never a trace. I ordered a new WP from Rusty the first spring, and it is still in the trunk. Having a spare is good insurance that you won't need it. I do add coolant from time to time, (and in the spring) If the water pump was as easy to change as the OM 621/615/616/617/M180 etc. I would have changed it long ago. It is a good idea to put in a new OE thermostat while you are in there, as it is a PITA otherwise. Be sure to have a new oring for the thermostat housing before you start. Penetrating oil on the Tstat housing bolts etc. Use neverseez on reassembly. Thx guys --I appreciate the info. What kind of lifespan do water pumps generally have? It has 170K now and my wife puts about 600 mi. / mo. going to from work. I have zero oil burning or leaking, no white smoke and it starts instantly without the blockheater at the end of the 1st pre-glow down to the mid teens.It also starts instantly when warm with no signs/smells of smoke. IOW, no signs of a head gasket problem except for the missing coolant every other month. All hoses were replaced No odor except the diesel from the leaking DVs. With all the noise shielding it's nearly impossible to see signs of a leak on the ground. Except for the clear coat lifting it's like a new car - everything perfectly clean, everything works and drives like new. One day I'll get energetic and repaint it. I'll send in a sample this week and see what the analysis says. Thanks ya'll - OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak Head cracks will lead to coolant loss, but also hard cold starts with lots of white smoke and very rough running on startup. White smoke smelling of glycol will persist until the engine warms up. Coolant leaks from a bad head gasket are also known -- usually out the exhaust side. CHEKC THE OIL FOR GLYCOL -- if here is any present, get this fixed pronto before you also take out the crank! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
The cap on my exp tank was bad and I replaced it a few weeks ago - was hoping that might be causing the leak but no such luck. As you said, they can look good but be bad. When I examined the rubber seal I found it had come apart from the metal parts. Naturally , after I bought one from Rusty I found a new one on my pegboard. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak Yeah they do that too. As someone else already mentioned, the radiator cap on the tank can look ok and cause problems. If the coolant only goes down when you drive, look at the tank and cap. If it goes down while setting, look at the WP, hoses etc. I went through a rach of bad Radiator caps on Diesels until I bought new caps for all of them. A few years ago Marshall or someone recomended replacing the rad caps every ___ years as a matter of PM. I never did. I just replace them when there is a problem. But the problems I had with the 300D will make me reconsider. I may go to a 5 yr. replacement PM program. Or, by then I may sell the car. Who knows? The mystery leak in my son's 603 300D turned out to be a crack in the coolant tank just under a fitting on the side facing the front. Only saw it when it got bad enough to see dripping under the car. Saw a small stream squirting forward when up to temp and under pressure. Liquid steel cured it. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does the 124 have that little stubby hose between the thermostat housing and the water pump housing like the 123 does? Thats what was leaking on my 240D... I did the waterpump while I was there, I figured that was $45 of cheap insurance. -Curt -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
LarryT. I Have two 190DT's, essentially the same engine. The white (Bent) one blew the gasket at 120Kmi and I think the Blue one is going. Oil is decorating the RF of the engine about where the chain tensioner is. There is anecdotal evidence that they blow when some idiot (me) goes over 161kph with their foot all the way down! YMMV. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. On 1/16/2010 4:31 PM, LarryT wrote: Hello - My 91 300D 2.5T needs about a 1/2 quart of coolant every 2 months or so. Do these engines have a history of head gasket leaks? I suspect the water pump is weeping a little after 170K miles or so. I have a new pump but haven't been sufficiently moved to replace it.But soon it will be time to replace the coolant and that will be a good time to pull the radiator (I think it needs to come out to get to the pump, right?) and do a little maintenance. But if the head gasket needs to be replaced I have some parts to buy... TIA - LarryT 91 300D 2.5T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
yea, they do sometimes have head gasket problems but its usually oil burning very badly, as in, blowing out the back. In that case, the gasket blows out between #1 and the timing chain area. Never see one burning coolant though. LarryT wrote: Hello - My 91 300D 2.5T needs about a 1/2 quart of coolant every 2 months or so. Do these engines have a history of head gasket leaks? I suspect the water pump is weeping a little after 170K miles or so. I have a new pump but haven't been sufficiently moved to replace it.But soon it will be time to replace the coolant and that will be a good time to pull the radiator (I think it needs to come out to get to the pump, right?) and do a little maintenance. But if the head gasket needs to be replaced I have some parts to buy... TIA - LarryT 91 300D 2.5T OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.145/2626 - Release Date: 01/16/10 01:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
Head cracks will lead to coolant loss, but also hard cold starts with lots of white smoke and very rough running on startup. White smoke smelling of glycol will persist until the engine warms up. Coolant leaks from a bad head gasket are also known -- usually out the exhaust side. CHEKC THE OIL FOR GLYCOL -- if here is any present, get this fixed pronto before you also take out the crank! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
Thx guys -- I appreciate the info. What kind of lifespan do water pumps generally have? It has 170K now and my wife puts about 600 mi. / mo. going to from work. I have zero oil burning or leaking, no white smoke and it starts instantly without the blockheater at the end of the 1st pre-glow down to the mid teens.It also starts instantly when warm with no signs/smells of smoke. IOW, no signs of a head gasket problem except for the missing coolant every other month. All hoses were replaced No odor except the diesel from the leaking DVs. With all the noise shielding it's nearly impossible to see signs of a leak on the ground. Except for the clear coat lifting it's like a new car - everything perfectly clean, everything works and drives like new. One day I'll get energetic and repaint it. I'll send in a sample this week and see what the analysis says. Thanks ya'll - OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak Head cracks will lead to coolant loss, but also hard cold starts with lots of white smoke and very rough running on startup. White smoke smelling of glycol will persist until the engine warms up. Coolant leaks from a bad head gasket are also known -- usually out the exhaust side. CHEKC THE OIL FOR GLYCOL -- if here is any present, get this fixed pronto before you also take out the crank! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
Check the evaporator drain for coolant, and pressure test the system -- those plastic tanks have several failure modes that are not obvious except that the cap won't seal. Test the cap, too. Although it's cold outside, it's possible that you are getting coolant burping into the expansion tank if the cap is bad, and if the little hose to the trap tank under the fender is bad (as it almost certainly is), you will pump coolant out of a bad cap. If this is the case, it will boil over and run hotter than normal when the weather warms up. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:59:58 -0500 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I'll send in a sample this week and see what the analysis says. That's a superb idea. I even know where you can send it: OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
My guess is that you have a water pump seal weeping. Most of my 603s have done this. On the first one, I did replace the WP and it stopped. On my current 603 300D, it has leaked since I got it. Massively over the winter when the car is stored. No water on the floor ever. The leak is slow enough that there is never a trace. I ordered a new WP from Rusty the first spring, and it is still in the trunk. Having a spare is good insurance that you won't need it. I do add coolant from time to time, (and in the spring) If the water pump was as easy to change as the OM 621/615/616/617/M180 etc. I would have changed it long ago. It is a good idea to put in a new OE thermostat while you are in there, as it is a PITA otherwise. Be sure to have a new oring for the thermostat housing before you start. Penetrating oil on the Tstat housing bolts etc. Use neverseez on reassembly. Thx guys --I appreciate the info. What kind of lifespan do water pumps generally have? It has 170K now and my wife puts about 600 mi. / mo. going to from work. I have zero oil burning or leaking, no white smoke and it starts instantly without the blockheater at the end of the 1st pre-glow down to the mid teens.It also starts instantly when warm with no signs/smells of smoke. IOW, no signs of a head gasket problem except for the missing coolant every other month. All hoses were replaced No odor except the diesel from the leaking DVs. With all the noise shielding it's nearly impossible to see signs of a leak on the ground. Except for the clear coat lifting it's like a new car - everything perfectly clean, everything works and drives like new. One day I'll get energetic and repaint it. I'll send in a sample this week and see what the analysis says. Thanks ya'll - OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak Head cracks will lead to coolant loss, but also hard cold starts with lots of white smoke and very rough running on startup. White smoke smelling of glycol will persist until the engine warms up. Coolant leaks from a bad head gasket are also known -- usually out the exhaust side. CHEKC THE OIL FOR GLYCOL -- if here is any present, get this fixed pronto before you also take out the crank! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
Does the 124 have that little stubby hose between the thermostat housing and the water pump housing like the 123 does? Thats what was leaking on my 240D... I did the waterpump while I was there, I figured that was $45 of cheap insurance. -Curt Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:31:57 -0500 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Coolant Leak Message-ID: 14b9268fede0438d8bdaecc0125b7...@laptop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hello - My 91 300D 2.5T needs about a 1/2 quart of coolant every 2 months or so. Do these engines have a history of head gasket leaks? I suspect the water pump is weeping a little after 170K miles or so. I have a new pump but haven't been sufficiently moved to replace it. But soon it will be time to replace the coolant and that will be a good time to pull the radiator (I think it needs to come out to get to the pump, right?) and do a little maintenance. But if the head gasket needs to be replaced I have some parts to buy... TIA - LarryT 91 300D 2.5T OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
The mystery leak in my son's 603 300D turned out to be a crack in the coolant tank just under a fitting on the side facing the front. Only saw it when it got bad enough to see dripping under the car. Saw a small stream squirting forward when up to temp and under pressure. Liquid steel cured it. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does the 124 have that little stubby hose between the thermostat housing and the water pump housing like the 123 does? Thats what was leaking on my 240D... I did the waterpump while I was there, I figured that was $45 of cheap insurance. -Curt -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak
Yeah they do that too. As someone else already mentioned, the radiator cap on the tank can look ok and cause problems. If the coolant only goes down when you drive, look at the tank and cap. If it goes down while setting, look at the WP, hoses etc. I went through a rach of bad Radiator caps on Diesels until I bought new caps for all of them. A few years ago Marshall or someone recomended replacing the rad caps every ___ years as a matter of PM. I never did. I just replace them when there is a problem. But the problems I had with the 300D will make me reconsider. I may go to a 5 yr. replacement PM program. Or, by then I may sell the car. Who knows? The mystery leak in my son's 603 300D turned out to be a crack in the coolant tank just under a fitting on the side facing the front. Only saw it when it got bad enough to see dripping under the car. Saw a small stream squirting forward when up to temp and under pressure. Liquid steel cured it. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does the 124 have that little stubby hose between the thermostat housing and the water pump housing like the 123 does? Thats what was leaking on my 240D... I did the waterpump while I was there, I figured that was $45 of cheap insurance. -Curt -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed
Sounds like my experience... Its quite snowy here today, enough that snowmobiling too precedence over cars ;) I'll work from home Monday and do the deed... -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:58:05 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed Message-ID: 3485b4231001011458pf074230ucb4eb82c36414...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Anyway its not a terrible job and the little hose was just about to really blow so I'm glad I got in there. Worst news of the day was that the replacement belt I'd bought (forever ago) for the alternator was too small, a good inch under the old one, so I couldn't possibly get it into place. The Beck-Arnley parts place said there were 2 belts - when I purchased a belt last year. The longer one was the one that fit - I think the difference was an inch. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed
Up here NAPA is the most expensive FLAPS around... Plus the belt on the car is missing a couple chunks which means I need a belt SOON. My 190D has to get out of service so it can donate its engine to the new 190D so the 240D has to get back into service. Plus the belt I have came from Rusty... Nothing against him, I've had it for probably 8 or 9 months and should have tried to put it on before now. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:22:36 -0700 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed Message-ID: 20100101162236.0cb1add5.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Worst news of the day was that the replacement belt I'd bought (forever ago) for the alternator was too small, a good inch under the old one, so I couldn't possibly get it into place. The old one is pretty poor but I got the Car Quest (our FLAPS) number off it so I'll buy a replacement. That belt is probably 6 years old which is pretty good service I think. When I was in Texas, I found that buying belts from Rusty, including the shipping, was cheaper than buying belts at NAPA. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Up here NAPA is the most expensive FLAPS around... NAPA and CarQuest are more costly than the McParts stores (Advance, AutoZone, PepBoys, O'Reilly, etc.) but they still stock mostly decent quality stuff. The McParts stores parts, in my experience, are bottom of the line. If you're buying brand-name oil or coolant or something like that it really doesn't matter, but for things like belts, alternators, water pumps, brake parts, etc. you are going to get absolute minimum barely meets the specs quality. You'll notice they tend to be located in the same areas as Wal Mart, Big Lots, Dollar General, etc. and there's a reason for that. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed
I really like our local Car Quest, the guys know their stuff, the prices are reasonably competitive too. I bought G05 there last week for $12/gal which considering Prestone 50/50 premix is $6.50 at McParts I figured was a good deal. The best part about our Car Quest is that I can walk there and they'll let me bring my dog inside... -Curt Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:52:15 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed Message-ID: m1k4w0cgz4@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Up here NAPA is the most expensive FLAPS around... NAPA and CarQuest are more costly than the McParts stores (Advance, AutoZone, PepBoys, O'Reilly, etc.) but they still stock mostly decent quality stuff. The McParts stores parts, in my experience, are bottom of the line. If you're buying brand-name oil or coolant or something like that it really doesn't matter, but for things like belts, alternators, water pumps, brake parts, etc. you are going to get absolute minimum barely meets the specs quality. You'll notice they tend to be located in the same areas as Wal Mart, Big Lots, Dollar General, etc. and there's a reason for that. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed
Curt wrote: Anyway its not a terrible job and the little hose was just about to really blow so I'm glad I got in there. Worst news of the day was that the replacement belt I'd bought (forever ago) for the alternator was too small, a good inch under the old one, so I couldn't possibly get it into place. The Beck-Arnley parts place said there were 2 belts - when I purchased a belt last year. The longer one was the one that fit - I think the difference was an inch. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Worst news of the day was that the replacement belt I'd bought (forever ago) for the alternator was too small, a good inch under the old one, so I couldn't possibly get it into place. The old one is pretty poor but I got the Car Quest (our FLAPS) number off it so I'll buy a replacement. That belt is probably 6 years old which is pretty good service I think. When I was in Texas, I found that buying belts from Rusty, including the shipping, was cheaper than buying belts at NAPA. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant leak fixed
Iirc, one of them is 1000mm long and the other is 1037mm long. If yo dig in the EPC, there's a footnote about which one is earlier, which one is later, and what VIN or engine S/N is the breakpoint. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 1, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Curt wrote: Anyway its not a terrible job and the little hose was just about to really blow so I'm glad I got in there. Worst news of the day was that the replacement belt I'd bought (forever ago) for the alternator was too small, a good inch under the old one, so I couldn't possibly get it into place. The Beck-Arnley parts place said there were 2 belts - when I purchased a belt last year. The longer one was the one that fit - I think the difference was an inch. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak/Vacuum in Radiator
Wasser Pumpe or hoses in the area. It is a hillary with the york compressor. I think you have to take the compressor loose and then remove the bracket to get to all the hoses. the pump itself you should be able to change from the front. Get a flashlight and a mirror and look up under the water pump. if it is leaking you will see a leak from the shaft, or from the weep hole in the casting. At 10:05 AM 12/10/2008, you wrote: So I look underneath the 300D as I'm backing out of the drive today and I see a large puddle of coolant. When I get back I pop the hood and crawl underneath and I can't tell where it'd coming from. The sun it too bright and it too low in the sky yet. The leak evidently is somewhere under/behind the AC compressor 'cause it's dripping off of the passenger front corner of the oil pan flange. Any ideas? Also, when I removed the radiator cap to check level (which is out of sight low), there was a wicked vacuum in the radiator.which I thought was odd if something is leaking out. I'm getting a little nervous/concerned. Bob R '77 300D 198K '87 Acura Legend 200K '05 E320 65K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak/Vacuum in Radiator
Loren, I am curious-does this explain the vacuum in the radiator or is that normal on these? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak/Vacuum in Radiator Wasser Pumpe or hoses in the area. It is a hillary with the york compressor. I think you have to take the compressor loose and then remove the bracket to get to all the hoses. the pump itself you should be able to change from the front. Get a flashlight and a mirror and look up under the water pump. if it is leaking you will see a leak from the shaft, or from the weep hole in the casting. At 10:05 AM 12/10/2008, you wrote: So I look underneath the 300D as I'm backing out of the drive today and I see a large puddle of coolant. When I get back I pop the hood and crawl underneath and I can't tell where it'd coming from. The sun it too bright and it too low in the sky yet. The leak evidently is somewhere under/behind the AC compressor 'cause it's dripping off of the passenger front corner of the oil pan flange. Any ideas? Also, when I removed the radiator cap to check level (which is out of sight low), there was a wicked vacuum in the radiator.which I thought was odd if something is leaking out. I'm getting a little nervous/concerned. Bob R '77 300D 198K '87 Acura Legend 200K '05 E320 65K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak/Vacuum in Radiator
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Loren, I am curious-does this explain the vacuum in the radiator or is that normal on these? If the water runs out, air has to get in or there will be suction. Maybe the vent in the radiator cap is clogged? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak/Vacuum in Radiator
Result of coolant expansion when hot (overflowing), but no vent action in the cap, so lower pressure once it cools? On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Loren, I am curious-does this explain the vacuum in the radiator or is that normal on these? If the water runs out, air has to get in or there will be suction. Maybe the vent in the radiator cap is clogged? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant Leak/Vacuum in Radiator
Look for a leaking hose somewhere -- coolant will go out when hot, but when the engine stops, the pressure drop as it cools will pull the hose down onto the nipple and seal it off. And maker sure its vacuum! Squeeze the radiator hose when it's cold -- if it's hard, you have a leaking head gasket or cracks somewhere! Vacuum in the cooling system can be a defective radiator cap, too -- can cause the upper radiator hose to be pulled flat cold. Peter On Dec 10, 2008, at 7:28 PM, OK Don wrote: Result of coolant expansion when hot (overflowing), but no vent action in the cap, so lower pressure once it cools? On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Loren, I am curious-does this explain the vacuum in the radiator or is that normal on these? If the water runs out, air has to get in or there will be suction. Maybe the vent in the radiator cap is clogged? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
