Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem

2010-11-15 Thread Curt Raymond
This reminds me that I forgot to mention when I got this 240D that on this car 
I'm going to ONLY push the trip reset while the car is moving. I think the 
theory that it breaks the tip is an old wives tale, I don't understand how it 
could possibly put any more strain on the thing...

As to your question no, the CC takes its signal from the speedo which is 
upstream of the ODO which is upstream of the trip.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:06:25 -0600
From: David White kathma...@cableone.net
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A question, could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to
intermittently fail?
Stripped as in pushing in the reset while moving and now the odometer
doesn't work and the cruise control works, some times for 10 minutes then
kicks out or 10 seconds and kicks out, hitting resume usually puts it back.
My guess is the control module but I dunno.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem

2010-11-11 Thread Allan Streib
It is a myth that resetting the trip meter while in motion will damage anything.

Regardless, the odometer has nothing to do with the cruise control.

Allan
--
1983 300D


On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:06 -0600, David White kathma...@cableone.net wrote:
 A question, could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to
 intermittently fail?
 Stripped as in pushing in the reset while moving and now the odometer
 doesn't work and the cruise control works, some times for 10 minutes then
 kicks out or 10 seconds and kicks out, hitting resume usually puts it
 back.
 My guess is the control module but I dunno.
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem

2010-11-11 Thread Craig
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:06:25 -0600 David White kathma...@cableone.net
wrote:

 A question, could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to
 intermittently fail?
 Stripped as in pushing in the reset while moving and now the odometer
 doesn't work and the cruise control works, some times for 10 minutes
 then kicks out or 10 seconds and kicks out, hitting resume usually puts
 it back. My guess is the control module but I dunno.

On a W123, the cruise control pickup is on the input of the speedometer,
directly driven by the speedometer cable. I don't know about the '89
300SE. Do you have a mechanical or an electronic speedometer?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem

2010-11-11 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Sounds to me like you need to implement the Jim Cathey plan: Test to isolate 
component at fault (my bet is on the CC circuit board), and then fix or replace.
 
I'll bet that if you re-solder all the circuit board connections, your troubles 
will be vanquished.
 

   http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html
 
-Max



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Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 2:06 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem



A question, could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to
intermittently fail?
Stripped as in pushing in the reset while moving and now the odometer
doesn't work and the cruise control works, some times for 10 minutes then
kicks out or 10 seconds and kicks out, hitting resume usually puts it back.
My guess is the control module but I dunno.
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem

2010-11-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 It is a myth that resetting the trip meter while in motion will damage 
 anything.


I beg to differ.  It's a fine distinction but one that doesn't matter
in practice.  If your tripmeter gears are already loose, resetting it
in motion will make the failure obvious by inducing particular
symptoms---the Chinese-water-torture clicking the mechanism makes as
it tries to turn forward every 1/nth of a tenth of a mile but can't.
I'd call that damage!

Have had it happen on two W124s now.  The first one I sold (for other
reasons!), and got an angry call from the buyer about an hour after he
drove off in the car.

Buyer: How do I stop this @#%*# clicking?

Me: Did you just stop to fill up the car?

Him: Yes.

Me: And then you reset the tripmeter?

Him: Of course.

Me: While the car was moving?

Him: Well, I was just pulling out of the gas station.  Barely moving.

Me: I told you not to do that.

There weren't any more phone calls after I told him the trick to make
it stop, so I guess he learned his lesson.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem

2010-11-11 Thread Jim Cathey

could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to
intermittently fail?


No, not really.  Spastic operation is almost always the
solder joints failing in the amplifier.  My wife's 560SL
has just started acting up that way.  One of our last ones
to _not_ have this problem.  I've also had one that didn't
want to work, but that did work normally when it was working.
That turned out to be a damaged stalk switch, its 'off' switch
was overly sensitive.  These faults in a 10:1 ratio or so.

-- Jim



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