Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-16 Thread David Brodbeck
Andrew Cunningham wrote:
 David,
 
 What does it idle after it is warmed up?

Somewhere in the 800-900 RPM range.



Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-15 Thread Marshall Booth

Peter Frederick wrote:
For some reason, they stopped with the turbo cars.  Later diesels all 
have electronic idle control.


No the '84-'85 190Ds have a vacuum cold idle boost. VERY reliable.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-15 Thread Andrew Cunningham
David,

What does it idle after it is warmed up?

Andy


On 4/14/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter Frederick wrote:
  It just pulls the linkage a bit to give a faster idle -- otherwise they
  tend to stall when very cold.

 I wish they'd kept that feature in later cars.  I have to drive mine
 with one foot on the gas and one on the brake, for the first few
 minutes, or it wants to stall.  Idle speed on a cold start is only
 500-600 RPM, not enough to keep it lit.


 David Brodbeck
 '83 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-14 Thread Jim Cathey
My '78 240D has a knob on the dash which advances the IP somewhat for 
cold


It just pulls on the throttle linkage a bit.  High idle, in other words.
Newer cars do the same thing automatically, via idle speed regulation.
So far as I know, timing on these cars is _only_ affected by RPM.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-14 Thread David Brodbeck
Peter Frederick wrote:
 It just pulls the linkage a bit to give a faster idle -- otherwise they 
 tend to stall when very cold.

I wish they'd kept that feature in later cars.  I have to drive mine
with one foot on the gas and one on the brake, for the first few
minutes, or it wants to stall.  Idle speed on a cold start is only
500-600 RPM, not enough to keep it lit.


David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo



Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-14 Thread Peter Frederick
For some reason, they stopped with the turbo cars.  Later diesels all 
have electronic idle control.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-14 Thread Mathieu J . Cama
The '78 and 79' SDs had the fast idle knob. They stopped them on the 
'80 model year cars.


Mathieu
www.oldworldauto.com

On Apr 14, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:


For some reason, they stopped with the turbo cars.  Later diesels all
have electronic idle control.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] IP Advance (??)

2006-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
It just pulls the linkage a bit to give a faster idle -- otherwise they 
tend to stall when very cold.


It does not affect injection timing in any way, unlike the cold start 
device on the VE rotary pump on the Volvo -- that is responsible for 
many cases of early engine wear because it DOES advance the injection 
timing quite a bit, and does so long after the engine is fully 
driveable.


Peter