Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
They are. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Quoting Alan Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the President: You Bush haters are a sad, bitter lot. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
Your remarks make me recall the 911 commission report about Ashcroft actions . The first plane go into the towers and he is at a meeting and told about it the meeting continues... the second aircraft goes into the second tower and he is told about it and the meeting goes on .. the third aircraft crashes in the Penetigon, where Ashcroft is having the meeting, and goes out to the parting lot to look at the damage Recall, Ashcroft is Secretary of Defense and has the job of defending the USA . Bush is frustrated cuz he can't contact the secretary of state to get the info about the attack . You should read the 911 report, it goes far beyond your thinking . Bill redghost wrote: Lack of action by people told to evacuate is not going to sway me into thinking that George Bush would have swooped in and saved the stragglers in WTC, victims of tornados, hurricanes, wild fires, political unrest, or NOLA looting. At some point these people become sad but acceptable casualties. Stuff happens, people die, it is sad. Do the next load of people learn from the failure to survive of the last bunch? Got me on that one. And under the who was in office theory of blame for tragic events, the Shuttle disasters are the doing of republicans, Atomic attacks on urban areas are democrat caused, the riots in Watts and across the nation as well as the deaths of college kids in 1968 is the fault of democrats. The Berlin Wall is Kennedy's fault? The Iran Hostage crisis was caused by Jimmy Carter? Democrat governors in Kalifornia cause earthquakes and wild fires? Next you will tell me Bush is Great because we get the new CDI, while Clinton was horrid for allowing the rod benders to be sold, and forced DCB to no longer sell diesel cars. On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 05:33 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
I think that there will be more of the who's to blame for this The real question now lies in what do we do to prevent it from happening again? The government did not tell the terrorist to fly the planes into the WTC. The govenment did not tell someone to bomb the Federal building in Ok. The govenment did not tell Katrina to wipe out a entire city and kill innocent people. Nobody is to blame for certain forces beyond our control, including mother nature. So now the focus should truly be on what do we do to clean up this mess and keep our blame where it should be... silenced! I see US Coast Guard and Army National Guard attempt rescues and food and water drops only to be bum rushed by mobs of angry people? Hey we come to help so just rush our choppers and make them crash so more people die. Ha! Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You understand a small portion of the big problem size of it beyond the resources of the locals . National and International aid is needed . Thing big time disaster . the red flag are flying strong and bright . 140 mph winds, waves 20 to 30 feet high, force equal to about 25 atomic bombs approaching the gulf coast.. Get it Bill Harry M. wrote: I'm sure this will be one event to go down in history where there is alot of so called finger pointing They knew what would happen if they stayed there and failed to listen. Now they blame the government for not acting when they were in desperate need of help. The true blame should be on their own local and state law enforcement agencies for not responding to this disaster and making sure there was a proper evac plan to get the citizens out. Same situation in Florida and those people were smart enough to know what get the hell out means. Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
Bill Gallagher wrote: Your remarks make me recall the 911 commission report about Ashcroft actions . The first plane go into the towers and he is at a meeting and told about it the meeting continues... the second aircraft goes into the second tower and he is told about it and the meeting goes on .. the third aircraft crashes in the Penetigon, where Ashcroft is having the meeting, and goes out to the parting lot to look at the damage Recall, Ashcroft is Secretary of Defense and has the job of defending the USA . Bush is frustrated cuz he can't contact the secretary of state to get the info about the attack . You should read the 911 report, it goes far beyond your thinking . Ashcroft was the Attorney General! Rumsfeld is the Sec. of Defense. Rice is the Sec. of State. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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O.K .. you have exposed my learning disability get those names mixed up from time to time . Bill Marshall Booth wrote: Bill Gallagher wrote: Your remarks make me recall the 911 commission report about Ashcroft actions . The first plane go into the towers and he is at a meeting and told about it the meeting continues... the second aircraft goes into the second tower and he is told about it and the meeting goes on .. the third aircraft crashes in the Penetigon, where Ashcroft is having the meeting, and goes out to the parting lot to look at the damage Recall, Ashcroft is Secretary of Defense and has the job of defending the USA . Bush is frustrated cuz he can't contact the secretary of state to get the info about the attack . You should read the 911 report, it goes far beyond your thinking . Ashcroft was the Attorney General! Rumsfeld is the Sec. of Defense. Rice is the Sec. of State. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
Stop confusing them with facts, Marshall. On 9/5/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Gallagher wrote: Your remarks make me recall the 911 commission report about Ashcroft actions . The first plane go into the towers and he is at a meeting and told about it the meeting continues... the second aircraft goes into the second tower and he is told about it and the meeting goes on .. the third aircraft crashes in the Penetigon, where Ashcroft is having the meeting, and goes out to the parting lot to look at the damage Recall, Ashcroft is Secretary of Defense and has the job of defending the USA . Bush is frustrated cuz he can't contact the secretary of state to get the info about the attack . You should read the 911 report, it goes far beyond your thinking . Ashcroft was the Attorney General! Rumsfeld is the Sec. of Defense. Rice is the Sec. of State. Marshall -- -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
At that time Powell was Sec State, Rice was National Security On Monday, September 5, 2005, at 05:06 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: Bill Gallagher wrote: Your remarks make me recall the 911 commission report about Ashcroft actions . The first plane go into the towers and he is at a meeting and told about it the meeting continues... the second aircraft goes into the second tower and he is told about it and the meeting goes on .. the third aircraft crashes in the Penetigon, where Ashcroft is having the meeting, and goes out to the parting lot to look at the damage Recall, Ashcroft is Secretary of Defense and has the job of defending the USA . Bush is frustrated cuz he can't contact the secretary of state to get the info about the attack . You should read the 911 report, it goes far beyond your thinking . Ashcroft was the Attorney General! Rumsfeld is the Sec. of Defense. Rice is the Sec. of State. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
I suspect that Ashcroft was Attorney General and against boobies, Rumsfield was the SecDef and a booby On Monday, September 5, 2005, at 05:01 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: Your remarks make me recall the 911 commission report about Ashcroft actions . The first plane go into the towers and he is at a meeting and told about it the meeting continues... the second aircraft goes into the second tower and he is told about it and the meeting goes on .. the third aircraft crashes in the Penetigon, where Ashcroft is having the meeting, and goes out to the parting lot to look at the damage Recall, Ashcroft is Secretary of Defense and has the job of defending the USA . Bush is frustrated cuz he can't contact the secretary of state to get the info about the attack . You should read the 911 report, it goes far beyond your thinking . Bill redghost wrote: Lack of action by people told to evacuate is not going to sway me into thinking that George Bush would have swooped in and saved the stragglers in WTC, victims of tornados, hurricanes, wild fires, political unrest, or NOLA looting. At some point these people become sad but acceptable casualties. Stuff happens, people die, it is sad. Do the next load of people learn from the failure to survive of the last bunch? Got me on that one. And under the who was in office theory of blame for tragic events, the Shuttle disasters are the doing of republicans, Atomic attacks on urban areas are democrat caused, the riots in Watts and across the nation as well as the deaths of college kids in 1968 is the fault of democrats. The Berlin Wall is Kennedy's fault? The Iran Hostage crisis was caused by Jimmy Carter? Democrat governors in Kalifornia cause earthquakes and wild fires? Next you will tell me Bush is Great because we get the new CDI, while Clinton was horrid for allowing the rod benders to be sold, and forced DCB to no longer sell diesel cars. On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 05:33 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
He did unspeakable things to a cigar. That is unforgivable On Monday, September 5, 2005, at 08:48 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: Alan Duff wrote: From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the President: You Bush haters are a sad, bitter lot. I find it amusing when Republicans complain about that, considering their hate of Clinton is so strong and irrational that they're *still* finding things to blame on him. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that No. The Feds can't just barge into Louisiana and take things over. With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the buses are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the ones who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington. Craig
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate Actually, the order to evacuate was rescinded and they were told it was safe to go back to work. Some left anyway. Craig
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
Absolutely wrong decision for those tower folks wasn't it? And I'll bet if they'd had a couple of days to make the decision a bunch more of them would have lived. But, many of them were above the crash floors and couldn't. You'll recall my original post advised we should help to any extent possible those who couldn't evacuate in NO. Recall I specifically mentioned those folks in that post. Included would be those in the hospital, those with no transportation, and those who were there to serve the community after the storm. I'm not mentioning the Jews who didn't leave Germany either because that wasn't the focus of the discussion. I think the folks who didn't leave Pompeii were silly too. Any other disasters I need to cover? Ken In a message dated 9/4/2005 6:40:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the buses are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the ones who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington. Bingo. Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN on how to fix a damaged one
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
John, This isn't the President's fault - he actually delared the area a disaster area before the storm hit so that federal funds would flow that much faster. It's also not the local politicians fault - they spend funds, including funds for levee improvement based on the State's wishes budget restrictions. And from what I understand, there were levee improvement projects on the books. But improving levees is like improving the road systems - some of these projects take decades because of the logistics involved. It's not like you can tear them down start over. The situation is a little more complicated. The inner city in most of our large cities are is full of the poorest of our people and new Orleans is no exception. Many did not have the physical or financial means to evacuate before the storm. Remember, the population was told to evacuate, to somewhere. Where were they to go and more important, how were they supposed to pay to get there? Now, here they sit in their houses, surrounded by water and all they have left. They survived the storm and now we want them to leave it all behind to the looters? No way, at least not until they are starving. I predict that many residents will stay in New Orleans until thay have absolutely no choice. The National Guard will still be pulling the dead and dying out of their houses two weeks from now for no other reason than they refused to leave. That's not New Orleans, Louisiana, the Federal Government or the President's fault! Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Quoting John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the buses are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the ones who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington. Bingo. Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN on how to fix a damaged one ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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EXACTLY CraigThey could have got way more people out if they had just listened and not saidOH it's just another storm, we'll be OK. Everyone just assumes that everything will be OK because SOMEBODY will fix thingsYa know, THEY will do it while I bitchMike - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that No. The Feds can't just barge into Louisiana and take things over. With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the buses are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the ones who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington. Craig ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Yes, security guards told one story and authority in New York said another Who do you believe The towers were attacked in 1995 .confusion ruled ... but there will always be a number of people who will continue on for a number of different reasons refusing to leave from rich to poor Should society said, well that is there choice, they are own their own, it's fine for them to suffer the effects to the fullest . Even thought society feels beyond a reasonable doubt there will be massive damage to live and sit by like a dog and do nothing ??? Sounds like when your child run out to the street without looking, it's fine well, adults do act like children some never grow up We all need help from time to time ... Let's show it.. Recall several years ago a airline aircraft taking off from Washington DC and cashing into the Potomac River . A hand fill of servitors were in the ice clogged river rescue worker arrives and stood on the banks helpless with equipment they have ...looking on as the people struggles for live some close to death in the 30 degrees water a lone unemployed middle class worker emotions refused to accept the actions of others and dived in to river and swam to the nearest person in the freezing water He started the ball, others followed and lives saved. America is looking not doing like the unemployed worker ... Bill 1981 300 TD Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate Actually, the order to evacuate was rescinded and they were told it was safe to go back to work. Some left anyway. Craig ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Ohhh, I know that one. What is New Orleans? Did I win? Did I win? In a message dated 9/4/2005 9:09:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting Bingo. Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN on how to fix a damaged one
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting and Animals Deaths
Here is a nice contrast between humans and humans issues and humans and animals .. we are all aware of the animal lovers and how from time to time political pokes at them about how concern they are about animals over humans ... Check out the amounts of animal deaths to humans: While the city's human population suffered enormously, its famous Audubon Zoo managed to take good care of its charges. Only three of its 1,400 animals died, officials said, adding that they had planned for years for a catastrophic storm. http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNewsstoryID=uri:2005-09-05T012658Z_01_BAU471101_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-KATRINA-DC.XMLpageNumber=1summit= or http://today.reuters.com/news/newsChannel.aspx?type=topNews and click on New Orleans Kill four looters .. page two . Man is very cruel to man through history and is plainly show today in America . America is, my personal dream, a far,far, far, cut about the others in world history, but reality bring me back to the Ape time in history ... Bill 1981 300 TD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ohhh, I know that one. What is New Orleans? Did I win? Did I win? In a message dated 9/4/2005 9:09:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting Bingo. Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN on how to fix a damaged one ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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To add further, recall when the weather is turning very bad and animals run for cover and the human is still in the storm area Man is above animals someone said, animals are lower on the pole, man has the power of to think and man dies and the survive of the spices will live on Bill 1981 300 TD Bill Gallagher wrote: Here is a nice contrast between humans and humans issues and humans and animals .. we are all aware of the animal lovers and how from time to time political pokes at them about how concern they are about animals over humans ... Check out the amounts of animal deaths to humans: While the city's human population suffered enormously, its famous Audubon Zoo managed to take good care of its charges. Only three of its 1,400 animals died, officials said, adding that they had planned for years for a catastrophic storm. http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNewsstoryID=uri:2005-09-05T012658Z_01_BAU471101_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-KATRINA-DC.XMLpageNumber=1summit= or http://today.reuters.com/news/newsChannel.aspx?type=topNews and click on New Orleans Kill four looters .. page two . Man is very cruel to man through history and is plainly show today in America . America is, my personal dream, a far,far, far, cut about the others in world history, but reality bring me back to the Ape time in history ... Bill 1981 300 TD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ohhh, I know that one. What is New Orleans? Did I win? Did I win? In a message dated 9/4/2005 9:09:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting Bingo. Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN on how to fix a damaged one ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the President: http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#076771 A couple excerpts: 'Despite the city's multiple points of entry, our nation's bureaucrats spent days after last week's hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city's stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies. 'Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a dying city. '...Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was impossible to reach.' ... 'Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially. 'In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency hadn't known until that day that thousands of storm victims were stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another nationally televised interview the next morning and said, We've provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day. 'Lies don't get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President. 'Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, You're doing a heck of a job. That's unbelievable.'
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I'm sure this will be one event to go down in history where there is alot of so called finger pointing They knew what would happen if they stayed there and failed to listen. Now they blame the government for not acting when they were in desperate need of help. The true blame should be on their own local and state law enforcement agencies for not responding to this disaster and making sure there was a proper evac plan to get the citizens out. Same situation in Florida and those people were smart enough to know what get the hell out means. Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the President: You Bush haters are a sad, bitter lot. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN
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It's just politics as usual. Let's see, we weren't prepared, we had a problem. Would it be the the Democrat City Mayor's problem? Would it be the Democrat Governor's problem? Or would it be the Republican Presidents problem? Go read the Mayors rant to the radio station. This is the guy who holed up with no telephones or other communication when the rest of the city government went to Baton Rouge. How much direction was he able to give? Then when asked if the governor had declared an emergency, as required to get Fed help, he didn't know. His excuse, they should have known. What a pitiful excuse for a mayor. Read the transcript of the interview. It's hard to tell if he's a street hood or a mayor. Could things have been different? should things have been different? Yes. Is it all the presidents fault? Hardly. Ken In a message dated 9/5/2005 10:02:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Alan Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the President: You Bush haters are a sad, bitter lot. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN
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You understand a small portion of the big problem size of it beyond the resources of the locals . National and International aid is needed . Thing big time disaster . the red flag are flying strong and bright . 140 mph winds, waves 20 to 30 feet high, force equal to about 25 atomic bombs approaching the gulf coast.. Get it Bill Harry M. wrote: I'm sure this will be one event to go down in history where there is alot of so called finger pointing They knew what would happen if they stayed there and failed to listen. Now they blame the government for not acting when they were in desperate need of help. The true blame should be on their own local and state law enforcement agencies for not responding to this disaster and making sure there was a proper evac plan to get the citizens out. Same situation in Florida and those people were smart enough to know what get the hell out means. Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Lack of action by people told to evacuate is not going to sway me into thinking that George Bush would have swooped in and saved the stragglers in WTC, victims of tornados, hurricanes, wild fires, political unrest, or NOLA looting. At some point these people become sad but acceptable casualties. Stuff happens, people die, it is sad. Do the next load of people learn from the failure to survive of the last bunch? Got me on that one. And under the who was in office theory of blame for tragic events, the Shuttle disasters are the doing of republicans, Atomic attacks on urban areas are democrat caused, the riots in Watts and across the nation as well as the deaths of college kids in 1968 is the fault of democrats. The Berlin Wall is Kennedy's fault? The Iran Hostage crisis was caused by Jimmy Carter? Democrat governors in Kalifornia cause earthquakes and wild fires? Next you will tell me Bush is Great because we get the new CDI, while Clinton was horrid for allowing the rod benders to be sold, and forced DCB to no longer sell diesel cars. On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 05:33 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you complain about their actions What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership .. focus on that Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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MY QUESTION IS WHY!!! why did not the president issue an order to nationalize the damn cops and why was /is there NO PLAN TO DO SO?? 200 cops from each city on the east coast phila, Boston, Pittsburgh ,Atlanta, Washington, ect NY can spare 400 put us under federal rules 10 directives only restore ,maintain and keep order .never mind arresting ppl and taking reports clear the damn corners! and stop looters! the mere presence of a uniform cop stops a lot of crap put us on trains and take us down south! send us in with a duffel bag cont jeans boots duty rig 2 bars of fels naphtha soap 1 bottle of brandy ect only the necessary stuff send us in with the food/ water trucks to the areas that need it to keep order and forchrissakes send the right cops ( real ones not crooks, punks or bullies) it is so damn frustrating to sit here in phila ..doing nothing mike collins phila pa 1985 500 sec
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The issue, Andrew, is that the victims no longer accept their own involvement in the catastrophe they put themselves in. Uncle Sugar will pay for me to remain alive, give me cash to get my crack and meth. Food stamps so that I can keep feeding the 6 babies I have from six different fathers and not do a lick of work. What they are entitled to is just what they got themselves into. The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. The situation has been handled in less than a stellar manner. The scope of the disaster is huge. Larger than I suspect most or any disaster manager can get his mind around. Where to start in that situation is a hard call. Lack of in place command and control, mated with some spectacularly stupid civil engineering just makes it worse. It did take a long time for FEMA to stop standing around with mouths gaping open, but the catastrophe kept unfolding and what they needed to do for NOLA with out breeched levees is not the same as having 80% of the city underwater. And sometimes you just have to let the building burn On Friday, September 2, 2005, at 11:53 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: it has to do as well with the government having given up on the concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of its citizens. I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any responsibilities. look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the carnage in new orleans to continue unabated. useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Quite a concept isn't it. One is actually responsible for oneself. I'm sure it will never catch on because people would actually fail under that system. Imagine that we would acknowledge that not everyone should have a college education. Only those with talent and aptitude would get to go to college. Others would just learn a trade and go to work without that 4 year party at the public expense. I've now read the National Geographic article which stated how ripe NO was for disaster. Oh why didn't the government go in and demand that the people change where they live and how they did things? Could it be because we don't want big brother telling us what to do? Yet, when disaster strikes, we blame them for not making us take action. It is a no win situation. Ken In a message dated 9/4/2005 10:28:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ken, I must assume you are not really from Puget Sound! That whole you got yourself into it, take responsibility is just not kosher here. We all want to suck on the public teat without having to pay or cover our own way. Where do you get off telling us to be adults and think about the consequences of our actions? If you tell me you are a Democrat, I will squeal to the pinko commies in Olympia and they will hunt you down for expressing such a cold republican thought. And how dare you assume the imbeciles down south are capable of planning and making considered decisions about their life and future. Please leave that to the elected officials and service providers. These folks all want the lux life that having LT Don working with them provides. I, for one, think they should all be given that life, no matter what their IQ or physical abilities. then we can sterilize them
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I don't think race has anything to do with it. I think poor judgement is the culprit. There are whites, blacks, indians and bayou folks that all made bad choices and are now paying the price for it. Ken In a message dated 9/4/2005 10:28:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ken, you aren't alonei don't feel sorry for them either...lets cut the shit, we're all racist in here...right? (sarcastic)
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The more civilized we get the more we depend on some government to save our bacon? NO WAY! Until recently the community gathered together to assist where needed. If you got hurt, you did have some blame, but the rest of your village or those around would come to your aid. If you happen to get dead, well, you got buried most of the time and life went on. Now we have to let every faulty excuse for a human breath air, consume water and not add to the benefit of the society at large. We pay farmers to not plant, poor folks to not work, make welfare moms spit out more kids the government pays for. If we keep letting the government pay for people, maybe we should not be surprised when the sell them, or let them rot as a not fungible commodity. On Friday, September 2, 2005, at 10:42 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: If someone makes a decision on a issue, your general principal is to let him/her suffer the outcome and forget about government support .. OK . Why did the US Government protect law suites from the airline industries after 911??? They are not to be held accountable even though airlines security is under their control and duty ??? Congress said, the law suites will cripple the industries and therefore, make it very, very, difficult for recovery...and laws wills prevent that while in fact, the airlines are the ones at fault.. You can trace this logic back in US History to the James Town flood and earth dam breach in California during the 1930's . Not one person was held accountable for their decisions, no government intervention, no law suites, recourse or whatever, while hundreds dies God Bless America, more worker where hire to replace the dead ones and time moved on and everyone looked the other way Live, Liberty, and the pursuit of death is alive in America . Proud to be American is your Logo Today Bill :-[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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You bring up an interesting concept. If the airlines are indeed responsible and at fault, then what of the rights of people to travel? If the airlines had denied travel to the terrorists, who would pay the lawsuits for the denial of their civil rights? They didn't have any weapons, box cutters weren't considered weapons then. Wouldn't we have heard a great racism debate for denying 20 muslims the ability to travel on airplanes? Now in the politically correct system we're searching 80 year old women and denying flights to 18 month old children to insure that we aren't profiling. If indeed airlines are at fault, how would you change the system? Ken In a message dated 9/4/2005 10:28:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If someone makes a decision on a issue, your general principal is to let him/her suffer the outcome and forget about government support .. OK . Why did the US Government protect law suites from the airline industries after 911??? They are not to be held accountable even though airlines security is under their control and duty ??? Congress said, the law suites will cripple the industries and therefore, make it very, very, difficult for recovery...and laws wills prevent that while in fact, the airlines are the ones at fault.. You can trace this logic back in US History to the James Town flood and earth dam breach in California during the 1930's . Not one person was held accountable for their decisions, no government intervention, no law suites, recourse or whatever, while hundreds dies God Bless America, more worker where hire to replace the dead ones and time moved on and everyone looked the other way Live, Liberty, and the pursuit of death is alive in America . Proud to be American is your Logo Today Bill :-[
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Big disaster over a large area with huge coordination needs and little surviving infrastructure. Management mess and no idea who is supposed to be in charge and where the resources are needed. Best plan so far is to get a plan then toss the troops in, instead of toss the troops in and see what sort of mess and unbalanced responses you get. Greatest need is for air drops of water. Food is not really needed for two weeks, though some will drop dead before then.The formula is, 3 minutes of air, three days of water and 30 day without food. Hit either limit and you drop dead in most cases. You may be hungry or thirsty, but you are alive... until you drop dead. On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY QUESTION IS WHY!!! why did not the president issue an order to nationalize the damn cops and why was /is there NO PLAN TO DO SO?? 200 cops from each city on the east coast phila, Boston, Pittsburgh ,Atlanta, Washington, ect NY can spare 400 put us under federal rules 10 directives only restore ,maintain and keep order .never mind arresting ppl and taking reports clear the damn corners! and stop looters! the mere presence of a uniform cop stops a lot of crap put us on trains and take us down south! send us in with a duffel bag cont jeans boots duty rig 2 bars of fels naphtha soap 1 bottle of brandy ect only the necessary stuff send us in with the food/ water trucks to the areas that need it to keep order and forchrissakes send the right cops ( real ones not crooks, punks or bullies) it is so damn frustrating to sit here in phila ..doing nothing mike collins phila pa 1985 500 sec ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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And the last one to hit that area was over 35 years ago. Wonder how far the civilized world has crept since then. Bet there were way fewer homes with indoor plumbing, running water, phone and electricity back in 1966 that had to survive the aftermath. Those conditions were close to normal. Now we can not live without the Diesel list for 19 hours. Makes you wonder if the emergency service providers would be better served being trained to function under third world conditions so that they can actually do the jobs without all the wonderful toys. sorry lady, can't do any fixing of the place because we have nowhere to plug in the compressor for the nail gun. Maybe training the Amish to respond would be a smarter plan. On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite a concept isn't it. One is actually responsible for oneself. I'm sure it will never catch on because people would actually fail under that system. Imagine that we would acknowledge that not everyone should have a college education. Only those with talent and aptitude would get to go to college. Others would just learn a trade and go to work without that 4 year party at the public expense. I've now read the National Geographic article which stated how ripe NO was for disaster. Oh why didn't the government go in and demand that the people change where they live and how they did things? Could it be because we don't want big brother telling us what to do? Yet, when disaster strikes, we blame them for not making us take action. It is a no win situation. Ken -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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redghost wrote: The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job. So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the evacuation order.
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If someone makes a decision on a issue, your general principal is to let him/her suffer the outcome and forget about government support .. OK . Why did the US Government protect law suites from the airline industries after 911??? They are not to be held accountable even though airlines security is under their control and duty ??? Congress said, the law suites will cripple the industries and therefore, make it very, very, difficult for recovery...and laws wills prevent that while in fact, the airlines are the ones at fault.. You can trace this logic back in US History to the James Town flood and earth dam breach in California during the 1930's . Not one person was held accountable for their decisions, no government intervention, no law suites, recourse or whatever, while hundreds dies God Bless America, more worker where hire to replace the dead ones and time moved on and everyone looked the other way Live, Liberty, and the pursuit of death is alive in America . Proud to be American is your Logo Today Bill :-[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems odd doesn't it that the government is expected to take care of all those poor defensless people in NO. Are the ones demanding rescue now the same ones who failed to heed the MANDATORY evacuation of the city BEFORE the hurricane hit? Are those who are now without food and water the same ones who scoffed and berated the government for telling them to prepare for chemical and boilogical attacks a year or so ago? Did they have their 3 days of food and water put away for disasters? Hasn't the government been preaching that you need to be self sufficient for at least 3 days after a disaster? We're now in the fourth day and according to the Black Congressional Congress spokesman this morning infants are dieing due to lack of formula, people are dieing due to lack of food and water. One day without food and water causes death? Or are these people the ones who believe the government should protect them from everything? Being a part of emergency services (fire dept) for the past 26 years has showed me that very few people actually think it could happen to them. Well, a good portion of the south is now learning a lesson. To that man who was rescued from his attic who was critical of how long it took rescuers to get to him and then said he didn't leave because HE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT BAD, You caused your own problem. I feel no sympathy. You're a selfish bastard who is taking resources that should be used for someone else. There are some legitimate reasons for still being in the City and needing help. First, some poor or indigent folks simply didn't have a method to leave. Some stayed for essential services. Some were actually there to help restore services when the storm was over. If they need help they deserve anything we can do. To those who stayed and are now looting, they should be shot. (mandatory gun content) To the Red Cross who is collecting money to help the effort, screw you! When your Chairman lowers his almost $500,000.00 salary down to a reasonable level I might start contributing again. I urge my friends to donate to local efforts with real people doing real work. Not large organizations who continually boost thier salaries and benefits using charitable contributions. During 9-11, the International Assoc Of Firefighters used volunteer and current staff time to collect and distribute funds to those in need. Check with your own unions, your local charities, the helplines and volunteer aid societies to find a place to donate to that uses 100% of the money for help to those in need. They are out there, look for them and donate to them. People who don't have the money to run $50,000.00 ads about what good work we do. (cost of producing the ad, the stations donate the airtime to run them) Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard who doesn't feel any compassion. Think about it though, shouldn't we take a little responsibility for our own actions? Ken In a message dated 9/1/2005 8:05:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed it has to do as well with the government having given up on the concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of its citizens. I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any responsibilities. look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the carnage in new orleans to continue unabated. useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Preach it, Ken. On 2 Sep 2005 at 11:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems odd doesn't it that the government is expected to take care of all those poor defensless people in NO. Are the ones demanding rescue now the same ones who failed to heed the MANDATORY evacuation of the city BEFORE the hurricane hit? Are those who are now without food and water the same ones who scoffed and berated the government for telling them to prepare for chemical and boilogical attacks a year or so ago? Did they have their 3 days of food and water put away for disasters? Hasn't the government been preaching that you need to be self sufficient for at least 3 days after a disaster? We're now in the fourth day and according to the Black Congressional Congress spokesman this morning infants are dieing due to lack of formula, people are dieing due to lack of food and water. One day without food and water causes death? Or are these people the ones who believe the government should protect them from everything? Being a part of emergency services (fire dept) for the past 26 years has showed me that very few people actually think it could happen to them. Well, a good portion of the south is now learning a lesson. To that man who was rescued from his attic who was critical of how long it took rescuers to get to him and then said he didn't leave because HE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT BAD, You caused your own problem. I feel no sympathy. You're a selfish bastard who is taking resources that should be used for someone else. There are some legitimate reasons for still being in the City and needing help. First, some poor or indigent folks simply didn't have a method to leave. Some stayed for essential services. Some were actually there to help restore services when the storm was over. If they need help they deserve anything we can do. To those who stayed and are now looting, they should be shot. (mandatory gun content) To the Red Cross who is collecting money to help the effort, screw you! When your Chairman lowers his almost $500,000.00 salary down to a reasonable level I might start contributing again. I urge my friends to donate to local efforts with real people doing real work. Not large organizations who continually boost thier salaries and benefits using charitable contributions. During 9-11, the International Assoc Of Firefighters used volunteer and current staff time to collect and distribute funds to those in need. Check with your own unions, your local charities, the helplines and volunteer aid societies to find a place to donate to that uses 100% of the money for help to those in need. They are out there, look for them and donate to them. People who don't have the money to run $50,000.00 ads about what good work we do. (cost of producing the ad, the stations donate the airtime to run them) Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard who doesn't feel any compassion. Think about it though, shouldn't we take a little responsibility for our own actions? Ken In a message dated 9/1/2005 8:05:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed it has to do as well with the government having given up on the concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of its citizens. I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any responsibilities. look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the carnage in new orleans to continue unabated. useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though
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Seems odd doesn't it that the government is expected to take care of all those poor defensless people in NO. Are the ones demanding rescue now the same ones who failed to heed the MANDATORY evacuation of the city BEFORE the hurricane hit? Are those who are now without food and water the same ones who scoffed and berated the government for telling them to prepare for chemical and boilogical attacks a year or so ago? Did they have their 3 days of food and water put away for disasters? Hasn't the government been preaching that you need to be self sufficient for at least 3 days after a disaster? We're now in the fourth day and according to the Black Congressional Congress spokesman this morning infants are dieing due to lack of formula, people are dieing due to lack of food and water. One day without food and water causes death? Or are these people the ones who believe the government should protect them from everything? Being a part of emergency services (fire dept) for the past 26 years has showed me that very few people actually think it could happen to them. Well, a good portion of the south is now learning a lesson. To that man who was rescued from his attic who was critical of how long it took rescuers to get to him and then said he didn't leave because HE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT BAD, You caused your own problem. I feel no sympathy. You're a selfish bastard who is taking resources that should be used for someone else. There are some legitimate reasons for still being in the City and needing help. First, some poor or indigent folks simply didn't have a method to leave. Some stayed for essential services. Some were actually there to help restore services when the storm was over. If they need help they deserve anything we can do. To those who stayed and are now looting, they should be shot. (mandatory gun content) To the Red Cross who is collecting money to help the effort, screw you! When your Chairman lowers his almost $500,000.00 salary down to a reasonable level I might start contributing again. I urge my friends to donate to local efforts with real people doing real work. Not large organizations who continually boost thier salaries and benefits using charitable contributions. During 9-11, the International Assoc Of Firefighters used volunteer and current staff time to collect and distribute funds to those in need. Check with your own unions, your local charities, the helplines and volunteer aid societies to find a place to donate to that uses 100% of the money for help to those in need. They are out there, look for them and donate to them. People who don't have the money to run $50,000.00 ads about what good work we do. (cost of producing the ad, the stations donate the airtime to run them) Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard who doesn't feel any compassion. Think about it though, shouldn't we take a little responsibility for our own actions? Ken In a message dated 9/1/2005 8:05:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed it has to do as well with the government having given up on the concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of its citizens. I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any responsibilities. look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the carnage in new orleans to continue unabated. useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though
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Mr Administrator, can we set up a random stream of consciousness rant list for this sort of thing? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (208k) '84 300D (203k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)
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I second that. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting Mr Administrator, can we set up a random stream of consciousness rant list for this sort of thing? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (208k) '84 300D (203k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K) ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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i think that's what this list is...as i stare off into the uncertain mists of financial insecurity riding on the southern belle of sedsuction in that repainted 450sl...around and thru the pain and human torrent ... Mr Administrator, can we set up a random stream of consciousness rant list for this sort of thing? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (208k) '84 300D (203k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:57:15 EDT, Bucks2 wrote Seems odd doesn't it that the government is expected to take care of all those poor defensless people in NO. Are the ones demanding rescue now the same ones who failed to heed the MANDATORY evacuation of the city BEFORE the hurricane hit? Many of them had no cars, and hence no means of evacuating on their own. The city told them to go to the convention center and the hospitals. Now they're there, and the government has failed to provide food, water, or transportation out for them. Poor planning.
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Right on--especially the bit about the Red Cross. I guess I'm a heartless bastard too. Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting Seems odd doesn't it that the government is expected to take care of all those poor defensless people in NO. Are the ones demanding rescue now the same ones who failed to heed the MANDATORY evacuation of the city BEFORE the hurricane hit? Are those who are now without food and water the same ones who scoffed and berated the government for telling them to prepare for chemical and boilogical attacks a year or so ago? Did they have their 3 days of food and water put away for disasters? Hasn't the government been preaching that you need to be self sufficient for at least 3 days after a disaster? We're now in the fourth day and according to the Black Congressional Congress spokesman this morning infants are dieing due to lack of formula, people are dieing due to lack of food and water. One day without food and water causes death? Or are these people the ones who believe the government should protect them from everything? Being a part of emergency services (fire dept) for the past 26 years has showed me that very few people actually think it could happen to them. Well, a good portion of the south is now learning a lesson. To that man who was rescued from his attic who was critical of how long it took rescuers to get to him and then said he didn't leave because HE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT BAD, You caused your own problem. I feel no sympathy. You're a selfish bastard who is taking resources that should be used for someone else. There are some legitimate reasons for still being in the City and needing help. First, some poor or indigent folks simply didn't have a method to leave. Some stayed for essential services. Some were actually there to help restore services when the storm was over. If they need help they deserve anything we can do. To those who stayed and are now looting, they should be shot. (mandatory gun content) To the Red Cross who is collecting money to help the effort, screw you! When your Chairman lowers his almost $500,000.00 salary down to a reasonable level I might start contributing again. I urge my friends to donate to local efforts with real people doing real work. Not large organizations who continually boost thier salaries and benefits using charitable contributions. During 9-11, the International Assoc Of Firefighters used volunteer and current staff time to collect and distribute funds to those in need. Check with your own unions, your local charities, the helplines and volunteer aid societies to find a place to donate to that uses 100% of the money for help to those in need. They are out there, look for them and donate to them. People who don't have the money to run $50,000.00 ads about what good work we do. (cost of producing the ad, the stations donate the airtime to run them) Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard who doesn't feel any compassion. Think about it though, shouldn't we take a little responsibility for our own actions? Ken In a message dated 9/1/2005 8:05:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed it has to do as well with the government having given up on the concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of its citizens. I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any responsibilities. look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the carnage in new orleans to continue unabated. useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though
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Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard... You finally said something that I can agree with. On 9/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems odd doesn't it that the government is expected to take care of all those poor defensless people in NO. Are the ones demanding rescue now the same ones who failed to heed the MANDATORY evacuation of the city BEFORE the hurricane hit? Are those who are now without food and water the same ones who scoffed and berated the government for telling them to prepare for chemical and boilogical attacks a year or so ago? Did they have their 3 days of food and water put away for disasters? Hasn't the government been preaching that you need to be self sufficient for at least 3 days after a disaster? We're now in the fourth day and according to the Black Congressional Congress spokesman this morning infants are dieing due to lack of formula, people are dieing due to lack of food and water. One day without food and water causes death? Or are these people the ones who believe the government should protect them from everything? Being a part of emergency services (fire dept) for the past 26 years has showed me that very few people actually think it could happen to them. Well, a good portion of the south is now learning a lesson. To that man who was rescued from his attic who was critical of how long it took rescuers to get to him and then said he didn't leave because HE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT BAD, You caused your own problem. I feel no sympathy. You're a selfish bastard who is taking resources that should be used for someone else. There are some legitimate reasons for still being in the City and needing help. First, some poor or indigent folks simply didn't have a method to leave. Some stayed for essential services. Some were actually there to help restore services when the storm was over. If they need help they deserve anything we can do. To those who stayed and are now looting, they should be shot. (mandatory gun content) To the Red Cross who is collecting money to help the effort, screw you! When your Chairman lowers his almost $500,000.00 salary down to a reasonable level I might start contributing again. I urge my friends to donate to local efforts with real people doing real work. Not large organizations who continually boost thier salaries and benefits using charitable contributions. During 9-11, the International Assoc Of Firefighters used volunteer and current staff time to collect and distribute funds to those in need. Check with your own unions, your local charities, the helplines and volunteer aid societies to find a place to donate to that uses 100% of the money for help to those in need. They are out there, look for them and donate to them. People who don't have the money to run $50,000.00 ads about what good work we do. (cost of producing the ad, the stations donate the airtime to run them) Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard who doesn't feel any compassion. Think about it though, shouldn't we take a little responsibility for our own actions? Ken In a message dated 9/1/2005 8:05:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed it has to do as well with the government having given up on the concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of its citizens. I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any responsibilities. look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the carnage in new orleans to continue unabated. useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Ken, I must assume you are not really from Puget Sound! That whole you got yourself into it, take responsibility is just not kosher here. We all want to suck on the public teat without having to pay or cover our own way. Where do you get off telling us to be adults and think about the consequences of our actions? If you tell me you are a Democrat, I will squeal to the pinko commies in Olympia and they will hunt you down for expressing such a cold republican thought. And how dare you assume the imbeciles down south are capable of planning and making considered decisions about their life and future. Please leave that to the elected officials and service providers. These folks all want the lux life that having LT Don working with them provides. I, for one, think they should all be given that life, no matter what their IQ or physical abilities. then we can sterilize them On Friday, September 2, 2005, at 08:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard who doesn't feel any compassion. Think about it though, shouldn't we take a little responsibility for our own actions? Ken -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Ken, you aren't alonei don't feel sorry for them either...lets cut the shit, we're all racist in here...right? (sarcastic) On 9/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems odd doesn't it that the government is expected to take care of all those poor defensless people in NO. Are the ones demanding rescue now the same ones who failed to heed the MANDATORY evacuation of the city BEFORE the hurricane hit? Are those who are now without food and water the same ones who scoffed and berated the government for telling them to prepare for chemical and boilogical attacks a year or so ago? Did they have their 3 days of food and water put away for disasters? Hasn't the government been preaching that you need to be self sufficient for at least 3 days after a disaster? We're now in the fourth day and according to the Black Congressional Congress spokesman this morning infants are dieing due to lack of formula, people are dieing due to lack of food and water. One day without food and water causes death? Or are these people the ones who believe the government should protect them from everything? Being a part of emergency services (fire dept) for the past 26 years has showed me that very few people actually think it could happen to them. Well, a good portion of the south is now learning a lesson. To that man who was rescued from his attic who was critical of how long it took rescuers to get to him and then said he didn't leave because HE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT BAD, You caused your own problem. I feel no sympathy. You're a selfish bastard who is taking resources that should be used for someone else. There are some legitimate reasons for still being in the City and needing help. First, some poor or indigent folks simply didn't have a method to leave. Some stayed for essential services. Some were actually there to help restore services when the storm was over. If they need help they deserve anything we can do. To those who stayed and are now looting, they should be shot. (mandatory gun content) To the Red Cross who is collecting money to help the effort, screw you! When your Chairman lowers his almost $500,000.00 salary down to a reasonable level I might start contributing again. I urge my friends to donate to local efforts with real people doing real work. Not large organizations who continually boost thier salaries and benefits using charitable contributions. During 9-11, the International Assoc Of Firefighters used volunteer and current staff time to collect and distribute funds to those in need. Check with your own unions, your local charities, the helplines and volunteer aid societies to find a place to donate to that uses 100% of the money for help to those in need. They are out there, look for them and donate to them. People who don't have the money to run $50,000.00 ads about what good work we do. (cost of producing the ad, the stations donate the airtime to run them) Yes I'm a cold hearted bastard who doesn't feel any compassion. Think about it though, shouldn't we take a little responsibility for our own actions? Ken In a message dated 9/1/2005 8:05:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed it has to do as well with the government having given up on the concept that they are even vaguely responsible for the protection of its citizens. I'm no longer sure they still even acknowledge any responsibilities. look at how as i type this they continue to stand by and allow the carnage in new orleans to continue unabated. useless bastards still never forget to come for your money though ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
