Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> OK Don wrote:
> 
> Maybe I gave up too soon, but I did not get
> acceptable results using Photoshop to color correct the
> reversed negatives. That mask was just too much for me.
> That's what I'm hoping Vuescan will do for me.

When I was doing a bunch of them, I use ImageMagick, a
command line tool, to do batch processing that usually gets
it close.

When I'm doing them one at a time, the GIMP has a "Auto"
button on the "color > levels" dialog.  This does amazingly
well at getting it close.  It has been 15 years or so since I
used Photoshop, but it probably has a similar function.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> OK wrote:
> 
> Can you use Vuescan with images acquired via a camera
> instead of a scanner? I plan to use my Nikon D700 camera
> like I used to use the F3 for duplicating slides, etc.

I don't know what Vuescan can do.  But I have used my
"little" Canon camera to get a digital copy of hundreds of
slides and many dozens of negatives.

I use the GIMP to do the color correction and "de-negative".
The process requires manual tweaking, so it can be a bit slow
- but the GIMP is available for no cost and it does any other
image editing I need done.

For me, a critical part of the process is tagging the
resulting images.  JPEG file format supports EXIF and XMP
tags.  This is the electronic equivalent of writing on the
back of the print.

I read on an earlier post you (I think...) mentioned using an
LED light source.  That may not work well since white LEDs
produce light by exciting phosphors - and so the light
spectrum is usually not continuous like an incandescent.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, I am going to try LEDs for the light source, but will compare the
results with incandescent light. I just want to avoid the heat of the bulb
in the inverted color head that I use. Maybe I gave up too soon, but I did
not get acceptable results using Photoshop to color correct the reversed
negatives. That mask was just too much for me. That's what I'm hoping
Vuescan will do for me.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > OK wrote:
> >
> > Can you use Vuescan with images acquired via a camera
> > instead of a scanner? I plan to use my Nikon D700 camera
> > like I used to use the F3 for duplicating slides, etc.
>
> I don't know what Vuescan can do.  But I have used my
> "little" Canon camera to get a digital copy of hundreds of
> slides and many dozens of negatives.
>
> I use the GIMP to do the color correction and "de-negative".
> The process requires manual tweaking, so it can be a bit slow
> - but the GIMP is available for no cost and it does any other
> image editing I need done.
>
> For me, a critical part of the process is tagging the
> resulting images.  JPEG file format supports EXIF and XMP
> tags.  This is the electronic equivalent of writing on the
> back of the print.
>
> I read on an earlier post you (I think...) mentioned using an
> LED light source.  That may not work well since white LEDs
> produce light by exciting phosphors - and so the light
> spectrum is usually not continuous like an incandescent.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Can you use Vuescan with images acquired via a camera instead of a scanner?
I plan to use my Nikon D700 camera like I used to use the F3 for
duplicating slides, etc.

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 6:49 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Vuescan works well for Eastman (or other pre-programmed) films, but if
> there isn't a profile it can take quite a while to get good color.
> Needless to say, I have all sorts of strange films that are not on the list.
>
> The thing I like the best is the ability to control contrast, it's fairly
> easy to restore faded slides and negatives, and rescue under-development.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Yes, you can process images acquired from other sources.  Haven't done  
much of that, but it can be done.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Vuescan works well for Eastman (or other pre-programmed) films, but if  
there isn't a profile it can take quite a while to get good color.   
Needless to say, I have all sorts of strange films that are not on the  
list.


The thing I like the best is the ability to control contrast, it's  
fairly easy to restore faded slides and negatives, and rescue under- 
development.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I've been using VueScan on negatives exclusively.  Using everything on auto has 
produced decent results in almost all cases, which involve several generations 
of Eastman Color Negative film.

> -Original Message-
> From: OK > Don via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:24 PM
> 
> ...
> 
> For those of you using Vuescan, does it do  good job scanning color negatives
> into positive images?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

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I processed Ektachrome (E4) at home a few times when I was a high schooler and 
had a darkroom set up in the back room of our shop.  I did it mainly with IR 
Ektachrome, as it caused the developer to expire rather quickly so the 
commercial processors wouldn’t process it.  I knew a guy who reloaded it into 
regular Ektachrome canisters and sent it in, but of course they could read the 
information on the edge of the film stock and knew what it was.  They sent it 
back.

I played around a lot with weird film stock.  We had a great Kodak commercial 
place downtown called Hoosier Photo that had all sorts of weird stuff.  I liked 
both the IR B and Ektachrome when I could get it.  Not easy to handle, but 
fun to play with and some really bizarre results depending on the filters you 
used.

Dan

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I do love the look of Ektrachrome though...
> 
> This list is fun, you talk about the look of Kodachrome vs Ektrachrome with 
> most folks and its a blank stare.
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Oh, yeah - all that.  I took pics years ago but we threw all that away.
Nobody cares about our images.  Seriously.
Youtube is the name of today and tech.  Images? - not so much.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I do love the look of Ektrachrome though...

This list is fun, you talk about the look of Kodachrome vs Ektrachrome with 
most folks and its a blank stare.
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks
   
What Peter said.

Vuescan is great, and a real deal for the price.  I haven’t found anything that 
works better or has more flexibility for setting up workflows with a scanner.

Dad moved over the Ektachrome in the late 50s, early 60s, and the emulsion on 
those really took a beating from the projector lamp and storage.  Many of them 
were faded and washing out, nowhere near as badly as the Kodachrome slides.  
Thank goodness for cardboard slide mounts and the date stamps the processors 
used at the time.  With Dad long gone and Mom not so good when I was doing this 
it was a big help keeping things relatively together.

I used to shoot Kodachrome in medium format.  Amazing colors and range, not to 
mention archival stability if stored properly.  Fuji had some good slide 
emulsions in 120/220 as well, despite being somewhat blue shifted like 
Ektachrome.

Dan

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Haha, my mother and I have thousands of images, many of them quite old (she 
> started taking pictures during WWII, and started using Kodachrome in 1949).
> 
> The black and white are OK, although the camera tended to leak light, so some 
> of them are a pain, but the old Kodachromes are a real pain -- some of them 
> have failing base, so they are warped and if the lacquer has cracked, they 
> are faded as well.  Overexposures are serious trouble as they contain excess 
> silver and are VERY dense.
> 
> Worse are the Agfachrome slide, she switched in the early 60s because the 
> color was better (and I agree -- at the time), but since they are not 
> lacquered, they have faded badly.  This is a known issue, but it makes for 
> lots of extra work.
> 
> I've been slowly grinding through the pile, I'll need to get to work again 
> this winter.  I'm up to the 1950s now.  The slowness is compounded by the 
> method of "sorting" my mother uses -- she pulls out all the pics of some 
> person or place and stashes them in cardboard boxes, in any old order and 
> most of the early stuff is undated, so I have had to spend an enormous amount 
> of time trying to get things in date sequence so I can make some sort of 
> catalog.
> 
> Use vuescan -- it's a pain to get it working well, but nearly all of the 
> other manufacturer's products have less flexibility.  It's also platform 
> independent, and finding software you can use for older scanners is a real 
> problem these days.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The blue shift was processing, the pH of the color developer affects  
the blue/yellow balance in Kodak films  (and for fun, the green/ 
magenta balance in Fuji films, which is why the advice one should NOT  
process the two on the same machine, when it was right for one the  
other was terrible).


I've always been able to pick out Ektachromes from a mix of slides,  
Kodak in particular processed them rather blue, most independents did  
better.


Kodachrome was the highest resolution and most stable color process  
out there (the last versions of E6 were close), but the processing was  
a nightmare.  Sad to see it, along with most other film, go.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[MG via Mercedes]

I agree on the ICE. I bought a Nikon super coolscan 4000 a couple 
of years ago and love it.


Manfred

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 22:01:41 -0500
From: "Scott Ritchey" 

About a month ago, I bought a reconditioned (guaranteed for a 
year) Nikon

LS-2000 on eBay;  that Nikon scanner is OUTSTANDING

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I processed E-6 both in our home darkroom and at the lab at work. LOTS of
it. We also still have 10-12 rolls of 35mm B IR film in the freezer. Our
kids liked to play with it, then all moved away and quit photography for
many years.

Now Dan, the processors couldn't read the codes on that IR film until after
it was developed - - -

For those of you using Vuescan, does it do  good job scanning color
negatives into positive images?

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I processed Ektachrome (E4) at home a few times when I was a high schooler
> and had a darkroom set up in the back room of our shop.  I did it mainly
> with IR Ektachrome, as it caused the developer to expire rather quickly so
> the commercial processors wouldn’t process it.  I knew a guy who reloaded
> it into regular Ektachrome canisters and sent it in, but of course they
> could read the information on the edge of the film stock and knew what it
> was.  They sent it back.
>
> I played around a lot with weird film stock.  We had a great Kodak
> commercial place downtown called Hoosier Photo that had all sorts of weird
> stuff.  I liked both the IR B and Ektachrome when I could get it.  Not
> easy to handle, but fun to play with and some really bizarre results
> depending on the filters you used.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I do love the look of Ektrachrome though...
> >
> > This list is fun, you talk about the look of Kodachrome vs Ektrachrome
> with most folks and its a blank stare.
> > -Curt
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

35MM?

Keep them in a cool ad dry location away from light.

Send them off to someone to have them scanned into electronic files for 
archival purposes.

Ansel Dan

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a TON of Agfa slides from the 60s and early 70s.  What should I do
> with them?
> 
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, yeah - all that.  I took pics years ago but we threw all that away.
>> Nobody cares about our images.  Seriously.
>> Youtube is the name of today and tech.  Images? - not so much.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Scan them if you can, they fade in the dark and really go fast in the  
light.


Keep them dry, as cool as possible (dessicated frozen is best) and  
hope someone cares about them when you are gone.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I have a TON of Agfa slides from the 60s and early 70s.  What should I do
with them?

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh, yeah - all that.  I took pics years ago but we threw all that away.
> Nobody cares about our images.  Seriously.
> Youtube is the name of today and tech.  Images? - not so much.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Haha, my mother and I have thousands of images, many of them quite old  
(she started taking pictures during WWII, and started using Kodachrome  
in 1949).


The black and white are OK, although the camera tended to leak light,  
so some of them are a pain, but the old Kodachromes are a real pain --  
some of them have failing base, so they are warped and if the lacquer  
has cracked, they are faded as well.  Overexposures are serious  
trouble as they contain excess silver and are VERY dense.


Worse are the Agfachrome slide, she switched in the early 60s because  
the color was better (and I agree -- at the time), but since they are  
not lacquered, they have faded badly.  This is a known issue, but it  
makes for lots of extra work.


I've been slowly grinding through the pile, I'll need to get to work  
again this winter.  I'm up to the 1950s now.  The slowness is  
compounded by the method of "sorting" my mother uses -- she pulls out  
all the pics of some person or place and stashes them in cardboard  
boxes, in any old order and most of the early stuff is undated, so I  
have had to spend an enormous amount of time trying to get things in  
date sequence so I can make some sort of catalog.


Use vuescan -- it's a pain to get it working well, but nearly all of  
the other manufacturer's products have less flexibility.  It's also  
platform independent, and finding software you can use for older  
scanners is a real problem these days.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What Peter said.

Vuescan is great, and a real deal for the price.  I haven’t found anything that 
works better or has more flexibility for setting up workflows with a scanner.

Dad moved over the Ektachrome in the late 50s, early 60s, and the emulsion on 
those really took a beating from the projector lamp and storage.  Many of them 
were faded and washing out, nowhere near as badly as the Kodachrome slides.  
Thank goodness for cardboard slide mounts and the date stamps the processors 
used at the time.  With Dad long gone and Mom not so good when I was doing this 
it was a big help keeping things relatively together.

I used to shoot Kodachrome in medium format.  Amazing colors and range, not to 
mention archival stability if stored properly.  Fuji had some good slide 
emulsions in 120/220 as well, despite being somewhat blue shifted like 
Ektachrome.

Dan

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Haha, my mother and I have thousands of images, many of them quite old (she 
> started taking pictures during WWII, and started using Kodachrome in 1949).
> 
> The black and white are OK, although the camera tended to leak light, so some 
> of them are a pain, but the old Kodachromes are a real pain -- some of them 
> have failing base, so they are warped and if the lacquer has cracked, they 
> are faded as well.  Overexposures are serious trouble as they contain excess 
> silver and are VERY dense.
> 
> Worse are the Agfachrome slide, she switched in the early 60s because the 
> color was better (and I agree -- at the time), but since they are not 
> lacquered, they have faded badly.  This is a known issue, but it makes for 
> lots of extra work.
> 
> I've been slowly grinding through the pile, I'll need to get to work again 
> this winter.  I'm up to the 1950s now.  The slowness is compounded by the 
> method of "sorting" my mother uses -- she pulls out all the pics of some 
> person or place and stashes them in cardboard boxes, in any old order and 
> most of the early stuff is undated, so I have had to spend an enormous amount 
> of time trying to get things in date sequence so I can make some sort of 
> catalog.
> 
> Use vuescan -- it's a pain to get it working well, but nearly all of the 
> other manufacturer's products have less flexibility.  It's also platform 
> independent, and finding software you can use for older scanners is a real 
> problem these days.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I bought a Nikon 4000 slide scanner some years ago for a significant sum (it 
was used, but still expensive) to scan the 20 some odd carousel trays of slides 
my Dad took over his lifetime.  Mom was in charge of maintaining the archive, 
which was a bad thing, as she kept them stored in her barn… when I found out 
about this, I had my brother ship them to me for safekeeping.

The family slides were always a hot potato for us kids, as whoever had them 
would get stuck with having to show them any time there was a family gathering 
at that person’s house.  Ugh.

So with the Nikon 4000, a Mac Pro and Vuescan, I set up a workflow to batch 
process the slides into the highest resolution TIFF files I could handle.  It 
took about 2-3 minutes to scan a single slide and process the file. Multiply 
that by 1800 or thereabouts (roughly 25 trays of 72 slides each) and you’re 
looking at a LOT of time.

I was working for the school district at the time, so I set this up over 
Christmas break and just camped out at my desk.  It took me all of two weeks to 
get them done.

When I got them done, I burned copies of everything onto single layer DVDs for 
the family members.  I think it ended up as a set of five DVDs to hold 
everything.  I used FinalCut Pro to put them on the DVDs so they could be 
played like a slideshow, but the files were also available so they could be 
extracted and printed or copied.

What an undertaking.  After I finished, I cryovaced the slides (vacuum packed 
in those food bags) in bundles and put them in a box in my guest room closet.  
That way they won’t get destroyed from being in Mom’s barn.  Fortunately, most 
of the slides Dad shot were on Kodachrome, which is probably the most stable 
film emulsion that Kodak ever made.

On a related note, I have an Epson 4990 flatbed scanner with aftermarket film 
holders with ANR glass.  I use this to scan all of my medium format films.  
Connected to the MacPro with FireWire, it does a great job scanning film and 
does it quickly, too.  I avoid the digital ice stuff, as it seems to add 
significantly to the scanning time and makes little difference in the finished 
product from what I can see,  I clean up in post production when necessary, but 
otherwise try to leave the original scans alone as much as possible.

Dan



> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> After retirement, I planned to scan my many old negatives to digital.  I
> have several thousand frames from the 60s through the 90s that I wanted to
> save.
> 
> 
> 
> The first scanner I tried (a PlusTek 7200) worked OK but it highlighted
> every scratch and dust spec and I had to position each frame manually:
> basically too much trouble/too time consuming for mediocre results.  
> 
> 
> 
> About a month ago, I bought a reconditioned (guaranteed for a year) Nikon
> LS-2000 on eBay;  that Nikon scanner is OUTSTANDING.  It came with a strip
> feeder that automatically feeds strips of 2-6 frames.  The digital ICE
> hardware (an IR channel in addition to RGB) makes scratches and dust
> disappear (almost completely), is if by magic.  The main "drawback" is the
> SCSI-only interface which required me to install a SCSI card (included with
> the scanner) in my PC.  Also, because I was running 64 bit Windows 7, I
> needed to buy/use VueScan instead of the supplied Nikon software.  But the
> results are outstanding.  I set almost everything to automatic in the batch
> mode; so I just poke a strip of negatives into the slot, walk away, and come
> back later.  I've scanned over 2000 negatives so far and the only problem is
> film that is too "curled."  Most of those negatives have been tightly rolled
> up (on a film can) for over three decades.  So they need some convincing to
> uncurl enough to go in the feeder.
> 
> 
> 
> So if you want to scan old color negatives and $300 is in your budget, I can
> definitely recommend this scanner.  It works with B too but they say the
> digital ICE only works on color film.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I played around a lot with weird film stock.  We had a great Kodak 
commercial place downtown called Hoosier Photo that had all sorts of 
weird stuff.  I liked both the IR B and Ektachrome when I could 
get it.  Not easy to handle, but fun to play with and some really 
bizarre results depending on the filters you used.


Dan


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I used both, and some Yuro flavors also.  Dad uses Kodachrome almost 
exclusively, but I know he got one roll of Ektachrome when that was 
all that was available in some store.


I liked the Ektachrome for the higher ASA speeds.



I do love the look of Ektrachrome though...

This list is fun, you talk about the look of Kodachrome vs 
Ektrachrome with most folks and its a blank stare.

-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks
  
What Peter said.


Vuescan is great, and a real deal for the price.  I haven't found 
anything that works better or has more flexibility for setting up 
workflows with a scanner.


Dad moved over the Ektachrome in the late 50s, early 60s, and the 
emulsion on those really took a beating from the projector lamp and 
storage.  Many of them were faded and washing out, nowhere near as 
badly as the Kodachrome slides.  Thank goodness for cardboard slide 
mounts and the date stamps the processors used at the time.  With 
Dad long gone and Mom not so good when I was doing this it was a big 
help keeping things relatively together.


I used to shoot Kodachrome in medium format.  Amazing colors and 
range, not to mention archival stability if stored properly.  Fuji 
had some good slide emulsions in 120/220 as well, despite being 
somewhat blue shifted like Ektachrome.


Dan

 On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 Haha, my mother and I have thousands of images, many of them quite 
old (she started taking pictures during WWII, and started using 
Kodachrome in 1949).


 The black and white are OK, although the camera tended to leak 
light, so some of them are a pain, but the old Kodachromes are a 
real pain -- some of them have failing base, so they are warped and 
if the lacquer has cracked, they are faded as well.  Overexposures 
are serious trouble as they contain excess silver and are VERY 
dense.


 Worse are the Agfachrome slide, she switched in the early 60s 
because the color was better (and I agree -- at the time), but 
since they are not lacquered, they have faded badly.  This is a 
known issue, but it makes for lots of extra work.


 I've been slowly grinding through the pile, I'll need to get to 
work again this winter.  I'm up to the 1950s now.  The slowness is 
compounded by the method of "sorting" my mother uses -- she pulls 
out all the pics of some person or place and stashes them in 
cardboard boxes, in any old order and most of the early stuff is 
undated, so I have had to spend an enormous amount of time trying 
to get things in date sequence so I can make some sort of catalog.


 Use vuescan -- it's a pain to get it working well, but nearly all 
of the other manufacturer's products have less flexibility.  It's 
also platform independent, and finding software you can use for 
older scanners is a real problem these days.


 Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I have a TON of Agfa slides from the 60s and early 70s.  What should I do
with them?


Burn em or send em to the national archives.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Very good - thanks for the review. I also have 10's of thousands, if not
100's, of negatives and transparencies that need to be digitized. However,
they range from 35mm to 8X10", with a lot of 120 and some 2"x3" sheet film
as well. I'm going to try to set up like I used to for duplicating slides
with an enlarger head inverted, possibly with LED illumination instead of
tungsten halide, and use the Nikon D700. I haven't had good luck reversing
the color negatives to positives using Lightroom yet - actually the results
have been awful so far. I need to come up with a better software solution.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> After retirement, I planned to scan my many old negatives to digital.  I
> have several thousand frames from the 60s through the 90s that I wanted to
> save.
>
>
>
> The first scanner I tried (a PlusTek 7200) worked OK but it highlighted
> every scratch and dust spec and I had to position each frame manually:
> basically too much trouble/too time consuming for mediocre results.
>
>
>
> About a month ago, I bought a reconditioned (guaranteed for a year) Nikon
> LS-2000 on eBay;  that Nikon scanner is OUTSTANDING.  It came with a strip
> feeder that automatically feeds strips of 2-6 frames.  The digital ICE
> hardware (an IR channel in addition to RGB) makes scratches and dust
> disappear (almost completely), is if by magic.  The main "drawback" is the
> SCSI-only interface which required me to install a SCSI card (included with
> the scanner) in my PC.  Also, because I was running 64 bit Windows 7, I
> needed to buy/use VueScan instead of the supplied Nikon software.  But the
> results are outstanding.  I set almost everything to automatic in the batch
> mode; so I just poke a strip of negatives into the slot, walk away, and
> come
> back later.  I've scanned over 2000 negatives so far and the only problem
> is
> film that is too "curled."  Most of those negatives have been tightly
> rolled
> up (on a film can) for over three decades.  So they need some convincing to
> uncurl enough to go in the feeder.
>
>
>
> So if you want to scan old color negatives and $300 is in your budget, I
> can
> definitely recommend this scanner.  It works with B too but they say the
> digital ICE only works on color film.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks for the good info.  It is a project I need to do when I get a 
round tuit.


Along with converting LP records, VHS tapes, etc. ...


After retirement, I planned to scan my many old negatives to digital.  I
have several thousand frames from the 60s through the 90s that I wanted to
save.



The first scanner I tried (a PlusTek 7200) worked OK but it highlighted
every scratch and dust spec and I had to position each frame manually:
basically too much trouble/too time consuming for mediocre results. 




About a month ago, I bought a reconditioned (guaranteed for a year) Nikon
LS-2000 on eBay;  that Nikon scanner is OUTSTANDING.  It came with a strip
feeder that automatically feeds strips of 2-6 frames.  The digital ICE
hardware (an IR channel in addition to RGB) makes scratches and dust
disappear (almost completely), is if by magic.  The main "drawback" is the
SCSI-only interface which required me to install a SCSI card (included with
the scanner) in my PC.  Also, because I was running 64 bit Windows 7, I
needed to buy/use VueScan instead of the supplied Nikon software.  But the
results are outstanding.  I set almost everything to automatic in the batch
mode; so I just poke a strip of negatives into the slot, walk away, and come
back later.  I've scanned over 2000 negatives so far and the only problem is
film that is too "curled."  Most of those negatives have been tightly rolled
up (on a film can) for over three decades.  So they need some convincing to
uncurl enough to go in the feeder.



So if you want to scan old color negatives and $300 is in your budget, I can
definitely recommend this scanner.  It works with B too but they say the
digital ICE only works on color film.



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