Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. http://www.ujhardcider.com/spirits.html the usual disclaimers... As with any food product, if you know who grows it and who processes it, you generally won't go wrong. I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I think what they are doing is getting industrial ethanol from the various plants that make it for gasoline additives or whatever, then dilute it and age it in barrels, either in their warehouses or someone else's. There are some stringent rules about bonding the stuff, Unkie wants either his tax money now if you don't store it in a bonded warehouse, or later if it is in one, when it is ready to bottle and sell. There is a local rich guy who started a little distillery https://www.charlestondistilling.com/ , we went down there and took a tour and a tasting of his stuff. He has the fermenting tanks, uses corn that is grown on a farm that belongs to an uncle of one of his distillerers (master distiller I think they are called), and has a coupla really nice big copper stills from Germany I think. He has some barrels in a room, but has pretty much filled it as it is not too big, and is not really ideal for aging. He said he was looking to get a warehouse or barn or something out my way, get it bonded, then he wouldn't have to pay taxes for ever how many years he is aging it. They make vodka, gin, and some liqueurs, all very good stuff. I had some of the vodka, which I do not normally care for, but it actually had a very nice subtle flavor that was enjoyable. We bought a bottle of their bourbon barrel gin, which is very interesting. They had a batch of gin stewing in a tank, they just let the botanicals sit in the alcohol, don't do the distillation process. You could pretty much make your own gin that way with vodka or Everclear. You can buy the used bourbon barrels fairly cheaply, new ones have become quite pricey. This guy had to go to Missouri and get his new ones, and beg for some. Terresentia's process is quite proprietary, even my buddy (MD/PhD in biochem) who invested doesn't know how they do it. --R On 1/5/15 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. http://www.ujhardcider.com/spirits.html the usual disclaimers... As with any food product, if you know who grows it and who processes it, you generally won't go wrong. I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Uh, Gruet. And it is tasty. --R On 1/5/15 4:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. Brand name please! I will look for this next time I want some reasonably priced Champagne. Greg From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 1:01 PM To: Greg Fiorentino; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year Helas; vive la difference... There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. That's quite close to me. Haven't been there since I was a little kid living in Dewitt, but I work in Dewitt now so in the winter I'm within 10 miles of the place on a daily basis. I wonder if it's the same family as Beck's Propane, Beck's Trailers, Beck's Marine... Mitch. Dunno. I wondered too, but never asked. The family has been there for 4-6 generations, so I am guessing they are all related somehow. Granny Back died. John Beck is now the patriarch. Mike is his son. Mike makes good stuff. Over the past week we had sparkling Peach wine, Perry and Hard Cider from Mike's works. Along with that we had a bottle of Jim Koan's Scrumpy http://organicscrumpy.com/ (Flint, MI) and 2 bottles of my very tasty and very bubbly apple champagne for New Years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
*Helas; vive la difference...* There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. That sounds like a good one to try. WHat's it called? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Not only is most of it distilled in one place, that place is not even in Kentucky! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Diluted with aged pee?;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
*Helas; vive la difference...* There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I concur there was an article I read in the past few months that made that claim and provided a link to a web portal so one could check who really made the product you were purchasing. There is a vast micro distilling sham taking place with a few huge distillers packaging up craft product in tankers that are treated at the craft place and bottled up. Same source material going to all the small boys who either just bottle it up, or put something special in clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. Brand name please! I will look for this next time I want some reasonably priced Champagne. Greg From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 1:01 PM To: Greg Fiorentino; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year Helas; vive la difference... There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. That's quite close to me. Haven't been there since I was a little kid living in Dewitt, but I work in Dewitt now so in the winter I'm within 10 miles of the place on a daily basis. I wonder if it's the same family as Beck's Propane, Beck's Trailers, Beck's Marine... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Gruet blanc de noirs, brut or rose - all excellent. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. Brand name please! I will look for this next time I want some reasonably priced Champagne. Greg From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 1:01 PM To: Greg Fiorentino; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year Helas; vive la difference... There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What determines the pricing criteria - age? On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm rather fond of Wild Turkey. I've seen three different grades, over the years. Not surprisingly, the most expensive was the best. (Rare Breed?) I have not done any kind of exhaustive search. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I'm rather fond of Wild Turkey. I've seen three different grades, over the years. Not surprisingly, the most expensive was the best. (Rare Breed?) I have not done any kind of exhaustive search. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
https://www.finedininglovers.com/blog/food-drinks/whiskeys-tasting/ --R On 1/2/15 2:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Yes! Some of the Islands rum is very nice sipping spirits served neat. I recall Trinidadian Old Oak, other rums from The Dominican Republic and some other excellent (and dirt cheap) rum I bought while in Bermuda (but it was Caribbean sourced). Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 1:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I don't really drink bourbon but for something similar I like a nice taste of Mount Gay Extra Old rum. We went to the distillery in Barbados some years ago and had the chance to sample some with the master distiller who taught us to to drink rum from a brandy snifter... Which reminds me, we'll be in Barbados in early April, gotta pick up some more of that stuff. When we were there in 2001 it was $25/l, in the states it sold for $40/l... -Curt On 1/1/15 1:13 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Listers: A nephew of SWMBO introduced me to 1792 a while back, and my son gave me a bottle for Christmas. I think it will supplant Old No. 7 as my regular adult beverage. Any of you fans of straight Bourbon or sour mash type American Whiskies? What flavor? I'm planning on drinking a toast to y'all tonight in a New Years wish! Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I don't really drink bourbon but for something similar I like a nice taste of Mount Gay Extra Old rum. We went to the distillery in Barbados some years ago and had the chance to sample some with the master distiller who taught us to to drink rum from a brandy snifter... Which reminds me, we'll be in Barbados in early April, gotta pick up some more of that stuff. When we were there in 2001 it was $25/l, in the states it sold for $40/l... -Curt On 1/1/15 1:13 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Listers: A nephew of SWMBO introduced me to 1792 a while back, and my son gave me a bottle for Christmas. I think it will supplant Old No. 7 as my regular adult beverage. Any of you fans of straight Bourbon or sour mash type American Whiskies? What flavor? I'm planning on drinking a toast to y'all tonight in a New Years wish! Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
My son got me some Reservoir Wheat Whiskey. This is NOT scotch - it's better. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A fine companion indeed. On Jan 1, 2015 11:19 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I enjoy sitting a spell with Mr. Basil Hayden --R On 1/1/15 1:13 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Listers: A nephew of SWMBO introduced me to 1792 a while back, and my son gave me a bottle for Christmas. I think it will supplant Old No. 7 as my regular adult beverage. Any of you fans of straight Bourbon or sour mash type American Whiskies? What flavor? I'm planning on drinking a toast to y'all tonight in a New Years wish! Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I treated myself to a bottle of Makers Mark for the holidays. Also shared a bottle of RI made Uprising whisky with my BIL. Local Sons of Liberty didtillery. On Jan 1, 2015 2:38 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For personal use, Very Old Barton is good and very inexpensive. Used to be 8 years old, but no longer labeled that way so probably not. Any of the Four Roses premium bourbons are great, also Wild Turkey rye when I can find it, much better than Wild Turkey Bourbon. Angel's Envy from Heaven Hill is fantastic, but not widely available. Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Knob Creek, and Maker's Mark are all good. I'll be doing the Bourbon Trail sometime soon, I think, as it's all less than three hours away. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
A fine companion indeed. On Jan 1, 2015 11:19 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I enjoy sitting a spell with Mr. Basil Hayden --R On 1/1/15 1:13 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Listers: A nephew of SWMBO introduced me to 1792 a while back, and my son gave me a bottle for Christmas. I think it will supplant Old No. 7 as my regular adult beverage. Any of you fans of straight Bourbon or sour mash type American Whiskies? What flavor? I'm planning on drinking a toast to y'all tonight in a New Years wish! Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I enjoy sitting a spell with Mr. Basil Hayden --R On 1/1/15 1:13 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Listers: A nephew of SWMBO introduced me to 1792 a while back, and my son gave me a bottle for Christmas. I think it will supplant Old No. 7 as my regular adult beverage. Any of you fans of straight Bourbon or sour mash type American Whiskies? What flavor? I'm planning on drinking a toast to y'all tonight in a New Years wish! Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Yes! Some of the Islands rum is very nice sipping spirits served neat. I recall Trinidadian Old Oak, other rums from The Dominican Republic and some other excellent (and dirt cheap) rum I bought while in Bermuda (but it was Caribbean sourced). Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 1:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I don't really drink bourbon but for something similar I like a nice taste of Mount Gay Extra Old rum. We went to the distillery in Barbados some years ago and had the chance to sample some with the master distiller who taught us to to drink rum from a brandy snifter... Which reminds me, we'll be in Barbados in early April, gotta pick up some more of that stuff. When we were there in 2001 it was $25/l, in the states it sold for $40/l... -Curt On 1/1/15 1:13 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Listers: A nephew of SWMBO introduced me to 1792 a while back, and my son gave me a bottle for Christmas. I think it will supplant Old No. 7 as my regular adult beverage. Any of you fans of straight Bourbon or sour mash type American Whiskies? What flavor? I'm planning on drinking a toast to y'all tonight in a New Years wish! Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
For personal use, Very Old Barton is good and very inexpensive. Used to be 8 years old, but no longer labeled that way so probably not. Any of the Four Roses premium bourbons are great, also Wild Turkey rye when I can find it, much better than Wild Turkey Bourbon. Angel's Envy from Heaven Hill is fantastic, but not widely available. Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Knob Creek, and Maker's Mark are all good. I'll be doing the Bourbon Trail sometime soon, I think, as it's all less than three hours away. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
