Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: I use open source chromium on linux. I thought this chromium does not subscribe to the google type tracking?? Since Google are the author of Chrome/Chromium I would suspect this is not the case. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: When we lived south of Calhan, Colorado, the fellow who was the head of utilities for Colorado Springs said to put a whole bag of brewer's yeast down our toilet. IIRC, it was about 6x6x12 and expanded when opened. It was quite a task to get it flushed down the toilet, but it stopped the odd smells coming out the top of the septic tank. I've heard about using yeast too, but I'd think that the normal bacteria in a septic are more than yeast. I second the idea to use Rid-X, and as long as you don't abuse the system I don't think you need to use it every month as they suggest. Once you have a stable population of bacteria there should not be a need to replenish it. What I would do is have the tank pumped, then use Rid-X for a couple of months to re-establish bacteria. As long as you're not overtaxing the capacity of the system you probably will be fine after that. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
Allan wrote: Since Google are the author of Chrome/Chromium I would suspect this is not the case. Yes, but the chromium project still exists as open source project outside of google. I don't know what they share with google or if google just re-writes what they want/need and keep the name. Same name, different product. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
Found this on Wikipedia: The project's hourly Chromium snapshots appear essentially similar[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#cite_note-2to the latest builds of Google Chrome aside from the omission of certain Google additions, most noticeable among them: Google's branding, auto-update mechanism, click-through licensing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickwrapterms, usage-tracking, a built-in PDF viewer and bundling of the Adobe Flash Playerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash_Player . There are several independent builds based on the Chromium source code, Iron being one of them. Seems you've got a good browser there. On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Allan wrote: Since Google are the author of Chrome/Chromium I would suspect this is not the case. Yes, but the chromium project still exists as open source project outside of google. I don't know what they share with google or if google just re-writes what they want/need and keep the name. Same name, different product. mao -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
OK Don wrote: Seems you've got a good browser there. You did exactly what I wanted someone to do. I am such a lazy person... I was going to ask my son when he got home, but I guess I have my answer already. Thanks for finding my answer. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
Seems that's the way we work here - I ask the list first, look up the answer myself if there are no replies. We're all lazy -- On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Seems you've got a good browser there. You did exactly what I wanted someone to do. I am such a lazy person... I was going to ask my son when he got home, but I guess I have my answer already. Thanks for finding my answer. mao -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
OK Don wrote: I use IXquick.com most of the time - they also don't track you, but don't filter anything out either. I use open source chromium on linux. I thought this chromium does not subscribe to the google type tracking?? We have been living with septic and well - separation is regulated by the county health department and requires permit and usually requires some percolation tests prior to construction, so your well is most likely well protected. Our septic pump guy told us to use Rid-X each month to keep things alive and active - it is some powder in a box made by the people that make french's mustard - Reckitt Benckiser. It seems odd that a food maker sells chemicals for blackwater systems. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
I'm not sure, but I think Chromium is Google --- I use Iron from SRware in Germany. They take the open source code for Chrome and strip out the Google phone home spyware. http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php We are talking search engines and browsers ehre though - apples and oranges. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I use IXquick.com most of the time - they also don't track you, but don't filter anything out either. I use open source chromium on linux. I thought this chromium does not subscribe to the google type tracking?? We have been living with septic and well - separation is regulated by the county health department and requires permit and usually requires some percolation tests prior to construction, so your well is most likely well protected. Our septic pump guy told us to use Rid-X each month to keep things alive and active - it is some powder in a box made by the people that make french's mustard - Reckitt Benckiser. It seems odd that a food maker sells chemicals for blackwater systems. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
I think the Reckitt Benckiser people have the market surrounded on both ends -- The current owners said something about using Rid-X, then read about using buttermilk in Mother Earth News, so tried it. The wife decided that butter milk was not doing the job, so went back to Rid-X. That she could tell a difference made us suspect that the tank needs to be pumped. They are scheduling an inspection of the septic system next week. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Our septic pump guy told us to use Rid-X each month to keep things alive and active - it is some powder in a box made by the people that make french's mustard - Reckitt Benckiser. It seems odd that a food maker sells chemicals for blackwater systems. mao -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:52:08 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Reckitt Benckiser people have the market surrounded on both ends -- The current owners said something about using Rid-X, then read about using buttermilk in Mother Earth News, so tried it. The wife decided that butter milk was not doing the job, so went back to Rid-X. That she could tell a difference made us suspect that the tank needs to be pumped. They are scheduling an inspection of the septic system next week. When we lived south of Calhan, Colorado, the fellow who was the head of utilities for Colorado Springs said to put a whole bag of brewer's yeast down our toilet. IIRC, it was about 6x6x12 and expanded when opened. It was quite a task to get it flushed down the toilet, but it stopped the odd smells coming out the top of the septic tank. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote: Back in Sept. of '08, we had a discussion about washer lint in septic systems that must have been interesting, since I remembered it. We are going to be moving to a house with well and septic systems, so I'm getting even more interested. I know that the current owners/residents have done nothing with the septic system for the five years they've lived there (all four of them). I'm interested in hearing more about gray water recycling systems that you've built/used. I think it will good to minimize the load on the septic system, and my wife plans to maintain a lot of plants and trees, not to mention the gardens she has in mind. This is in rural Oklahoma with little to no regulation, so those should not be a hurdle to deal with. Thanks, OK Don Google! There is a fair amount of information on the net. This is something that appeals to me as well. My thoughts were more in terms of filtering water from the shower and re-using it to flush toilets. We live in a city that meters and sells us water and charges us sewer rates as well based upon water consumption. I could save $$ if I re-cycled the cleaner water. However, my reading of the subject on the net sort of caused me to hold off as the issue of filtering seemed like it might be difficult or expensive. The water can become rancid (not sure if that would be the correct term). My basic thought was a swimming pool filter but that was about as far as I got before I backed off. I also suspect that this sort of thing would not meet plumbing codes although I see items in the local papers touting the idea so it might come to pass that it is OK before long. I hope others come up with more interesting comments than I have and will be happy to read along. Randy By the way - where are you moving and why? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
On 24/06/2011 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'. _ Let me suggest having your water tested regularly. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
The stuff in a septic tank is blackwater. You can also install a sludgehammer which will change the breakdown of your septic goo to a much cleaner aerobic decomposition and lessen the possibility of your blackwater recycling system crapping up your leachfield and making you ill. Randy Bennell wrote: On 24/06/2011 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'. _ Let me suggest having your water tested regularly. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
Lee wrote: The stuff in a septic tank is blackwater. Yeah, but stuff that used to be graywater got added to it, so it's recycling the graywater. I assume that a little dilution is good for the septic tank, especially now that I can't buy a high flow toilet. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
As long as your leach lines and the leach field of the septic system are not clogged with roots or biological waste... eh... the septic system should be happy with household water volume. I would suggest that you quickly go buy some enzyme to put into the septic system. Only takes a few spoonfuls in each toilet to start the little bugs and they grow and eat what is sent down the pipes. It will make your septic tank last a long time between pump outs and save you a bunch of trouble. If the tank hasn't been pumped out for 5 years, and it was a family of 4, strongly suggest a call to your local guy who does septic pump outs and start clean if there is such a thing in septic world. Grant... On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote: Back in Sept. of '08, we had a discussion about washer lint in septic systems that must have been interesting, since I remembered it. We are going to be moving to a house with well and septic systems, so I'm getting even more interested. I know that the current owners/residents have done nothing with the septic system for the five years they've lived there (all four of them). I'm interested in hearing more about gray water recycling systems that you've built/used. I think it will good to minimize the load on the septic system, and my wife plans to maintain a lot of plants and trees, not to mention the gardens she has in mind. This is in rural Oklahoma with little to no regulation, so those should not be a hurdle to deal with. Thanks, OK Don Google! There is a fair amount of information on the net. This is something that appeals to me as well. My thoughts were more in terms of filtering water from the shower and re-using it to flush toilets. We live in a city that meters and sells us water and charges us sewer rates as well based upon water consumption. I could save $$ if I re-cycled the cleaner water. However, my reading of the subject on the net sort of caused me to hold off as the issue of filtering seemed like it might be difficult or expensive. The water can become rancid (not sure if that would be the correct term). My basic thought was a swimming pool filter but that was about as far as I got before I backed off. I also suspect that this sort of thing would not meet plumbing codes although I see items in the local papers touting the idea so it might come to pass that it is OK before long. I hope others come up with more interesting comments than I have and will be happy to read along. Randy By the way - where are you moving and why? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). I did find some good advice and publications on the care and feeding of septic systems, but for some reason, I value to experience and knowledge of this group more --- We're moving to an airpark about 35 miles North of here - on the other side of OKC. I need the space to build an airplane, so the hanger that's behind the house will come in handy, and the runway that the hanger sits on will be very convenient for using the airplane when I get it ready to fly! Oh, yes - the house is larger than this one also - another plus (keeps the wife happy). On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote: Randy By the way - where are you moving and why? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
One presumes they're not right on top of each other. Generally you keep 20-50 feet minimum... Anyway remember the water you drink today was dinosaur piss at one point, there really isn't much for new water, just recycled. -Curt Randy Bennell wrote: On 24/06/2011 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'. _ Let me suggest having your water tested regularly. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
So you were going to build and fly your own plane! Very cool. I'm sure this body will be glad to give you all kinds of advice. I call first dibs for a ride at the future Rusty-Q that you bring it to. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). I did find some good advice and publications on the care and feeding of septic systems, but for some reason, I value to experience and knowledge of this group more --- We're moving to an airpark about 35 miles North of here - on the other side of OKC. I need the space to build an airplane, so the hanger that's behind the house will come in handy, and the runway that the hanger sits on will be very convenient for using the airplane when I get it ready to fly! Oh, yes - the house is larger than this one also - another plus (keeps the wife happy). On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote:Randy By the way - where are you moving and why? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
House I grew up in had a septic tank, and a separate drain for the grey water. We lived on a hill side, drain left the basement toward down hill until it came out of the hill side, about 75 feet from the house but only about 25 feet from the well that supplied our fresh water. The septic tank and field went off at a 90 degree from the grey water drain and well. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). I did find some good advice and publications on the care and feeding of septic systems, but for some reason, I value to experience and knowledge of this group more --- We're moving to an airpark about 35 miles North of here - on the other side of OKC. I need the space to build an airplane, so the hanger that's behind the house will come in handy, and the runway that the hanger sits on will be very convenient for using the airplane when I get it ready to fly! Oh, yes - the house is larger than this one also - another plus (keeps the wife happy). On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote:Randy By the way - where are you moving and why? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). Try DuckDuckGo. http://duckduckgo.com They filter out a lot of content-farm sites (eHow, etc.) and they don't track you. http://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I use IXquick.com most of the time - they also don't track you, but don't filter anything out either. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). Try DuckDuckGo. http://duckduckgo.com They filter out a lot of content-farm sites (eHow, etc.) and they don't track you. http://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:00:25 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Back in Sept. of '08, we had a discussion about washer lint in septic systems that must have been interesting, since I remembered it. We are going to be moving to a house with well and septic systems, so I'm getting even more interested. I know that the current owners/residents have done nothing with the septic system for the five years they've lived there (all four of them). I have a booklet (somewhere) called, The care and feeding of your septic tank. You might do a web search on that title. I'm interested in hearing more about gray water recycling systems that you've built/used. I think it will good to minimize the load on the septic system, and my wife plans to maintain a lot of plants and trees, not to mention the gardens she has in mind. This is in rural Oklahoma with little to no regulation, so those should not be a hurdle to deal with. The washing machine is easiest to deal with. Just get a galvanized nipple 6 - 8 long (3/4, IIRC), install a female NPT to male garden hose adaptor on one end, and jam the other end in the end of the washing machine's drain hose (and maybe put on a hose clamp). Connect a garden hose to the adaptor and water to your heart's delite. Don't put anything that will shut off on the far end of the hose. Something like a hose-end bubbler should be OK. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
