Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Dieselhead]

Oral surgery is a bit more than a simple filling.  I was talking 
about a simple filling.  There are times that anesthesia is 
appropriate.  For most people, the fear of the drill is worse than 
the pain for a filling.


In Craig's case, some medication is appropriate for a short time.  I 
am just saying that pain can often be overcome by attitude.  Not my 
invention.  This method has been around for centuries in many 
cultures.



FWIW,

I am a dentist (oral surgeon), I don't do dentistry without numbing, 
I would not even consider doing a painful procedure on someone 
without it.  I am a firm believer in that pain should be addressed. 
First to eliminate the cause of the pain in as painless as possible 
method.  I then obviously advise some sort of pain relief after. 
Ibuprofen is an excellent OTC medication for pain.  However Lortab 
and Percocet are indicated when Ibuprofen is not enough.  IMHO, one 
should take advantage of modern medicine.  We don't recommend 
whiskey anymore (LOL).  I also routinely use IV sedation.  The use 
of anesthesia is for one reason.  That would be the prevention and 
protection of the patient having pain.  Having said the above long 
term use of narcotic pain medicine is NOT indicated generally. 
These can be habit forming.  This obviously would not be a good 
thing.  Having hip surgery (again my opinion) is a indication for 
narcotic pain medicine (relief).  There is little benefit of someone 
hurting after a procedure. 




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Sent: Sun, Mar 24, 2013 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open 
[was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]



Correct.  Nothing eliminates pain.  Pain is there to keep us from
hurting ourselves and to allow healing.

I do not even let the dentist use Novocaine.  The drill is annoying,
but the pain is not that bad.  When I get out of the chair, it is
over.  When they use Novocaine,  you are out of commission for at
least half a day.  Overcoming pain is more a matter of mind over
matter.  This position is not without experience.  My back was nearly
broken over 40 years ago.  It hurts right now.  But it is a minor
annoyance.

Having the right mindset, laughing, and keeping busy are the best
medications for pain.

I believe there are less addictive medicines available, if medicine
is necessary.



Some painkillers affect people differently.  For example, after a few doses
of Percoset I stopped taking them because of unpredictable side effects.
  Hydrocodone was far more predictable but I also only took a few.  I am
like Dan, would rather tough it out.

Pain medication is supposed to reduce, not eliminate pain, right?

I think a lot of people think pain medication should eliminate pain of any
sort.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


  That stuff scares the heck out of me. I am understandably concerned about
  the wife's upcoming hip replacement surgery, as I know there will be a lot
  of post operative pain, and she has a pretty low threshold for it.

  I rarely even take something for a headache, as I would rather tough it
  out than take medication, even OTC stuff.

  Dan

  Sent from my iPad

  On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick 
  wrote:

  > My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited --
  had a kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more 
than enough,

  tossed the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.
  >
  > After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves, and
  those Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but how wants
  to be zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I can barely
  move, I don't want to be out.
  >
  > As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality

 >>  blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.

  >
  > Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the
  same, just a different way to get there.
  >
  > Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[drcscruggs]

FWIW,

I am a dentist (oral surgeon), I don't do dentistry without numbing, I would 
not even consider doing a painful procedure on someone without it.  I am a firm 
believer in that pain should be addressed.  First to eliminate the cause of the 
pain in as painless as possible method.  I then obviously advise some sort of 
pain relief after.  Ibuprofen is an excellent OTC medication for pain.  However 
Lortab and Percocet are indicated when Ibuprofen is not enough.  IMHO, one 
should take advantage of modern medicine.  We don't recommend whiskey anymore 
(LOL).  I also routinely use IV sedation.  The use of anesthesia is for one 
reason.  That would be the prevention and protection of the patient having 
pain.  Having said the above long term use of narcotic pain medicine is NOT 
indicated generally.  These can be habit forming.  This obviously would not be 
a good thing.  Having hip surgery (again my opinion) is a indication for 
narcotic pain medicine (relief).  There is little benefit of someone hurting 
after a procedure.  



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From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Sun, Mar 24, 2013 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: 
Autohaus AZ]]


Correct.  Nothing eliminates pain.  Pain is there to keep us from 
hurting ourselves and to allow healing.

I do not even let the dentist use Novocaine.  The drill is annoying, 
but the pain is not that bad.  When I get out of the chair, it is 
over.  When they use Novocaine,  you are out of commission for at 
least half a day.  Overcoming pain is more a matter of mind over 
matter.  This position is not without experience.  My back was nearly 
broken over 40 years ago.  It hurts right now.  But it is a minor 
annoyance.

Having the right mindset, laughing, and keeping busy are the best 
medications for pain.

I believe there are less addictive medicines available, if medicine 
is necessary.


>Some painkillers affect people differently.  For example, after a few doses
>of Percoset I stopped taking them because of unpredictable side effects.
>  Hydrocodone was far more predictable but I also only took a few.  I am
>like Dan, would rather tough it out.
>
>Pain medication is supposed to reduce, not eliminate pain, right?
>
>I think a lot of people think pain medication should eliminate pain of any
>sort.
>
>On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>>  That stuff scares the heck out of me. I am understandably concerned about
>>  the wife's upcoming hip replacement surgery, as I know there will be a lot
>>  of post operative pain, and she has a pretty low threshold for it.
>>
>>  I rarely even take something for a headache, as I would rather tough it
>>  out than take medication, even OTC stuff.
>>
>>  Dan
>>
>>  Sent from my iPad
>>
>>  On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  > My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited --
>>  had a kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more than enough,
>>  tossed the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.
>>  >
>>  > After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves, and
>>  those Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but how wants
>>  to be zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I can barely
>>  move, I don't want to be out.
>>  >
>>  > As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality
>>  blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.
>>  >
>>  > Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the
>>  same, just a different way to get there.
>>  >
>>  > Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Gerry Archer]

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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:17 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: 
Autohaus AZ]]




On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:13:52 -0400 Michael Canfield 
wrote:


Heck yeah!  I have seen some really good people turn into useless
dirtbags and lose everything hooked on oxys.  Never, ever, ever let
anyone talk you into using either of those recreationally.  It's a bad
addiction/chemical dependency that even the strongest seem unable to
control on their own.  I live an hour from a guy they call "the oxy
doc" and have watched him precribe many folks lives down the shitter
when they did not need such a dangerous drug.


So what are the symptoms of being hooked on oxys? How does one avoid it?
I don't experience any particular rush when I take the meds to alleviate
the pain that starts when they wear off.

Perhaps I should change to a lower-potency drug when I get back to Los
Alamos.

Craig

Probably a good idea to see your family doctor about pain management when 
you get back to Los Alamos.  In the meantime its probably best to follow 
your discharge instructions from the surgeon.  Bone surgery can be one of 
the most painful post-surgically.  It might be a good idea to call your 
surgeon and ask if you should be taking "both" oxycodone and oxycontin. 
OxyContin is a controlled-release form of oxycodone.
Here is more information from the Physicians Desk Reference; a reliable 
source of medical information:


http://www.pdrhealth.com/drugs/oxycontin

Here is info on tylenol (acetominophen) since you may be taking that after 
oxycodone.  More than 4000 mg / day is considered dangerous.


http://www.rxlist.com/tylenol-drug/warnings-precautions.htm

Good luck,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Dieselhead]

I don't have an aversion to needles.  I just don't believe in 
painkillers unless it is necessary, and then for a very short time. 
Most of them are bad news.  I have an uncle in law who was an olympic 
silver medalist, who later became a dentist.  I went to him a couple 
of times, and he was the one who got me started on the no drug method 
of dentistry.  It is not that bad.  I never liked the administering 
of novocaine or the lingering aftereffects.  The couple times the 
drill might hit a nerve are less than the pain you feel when they 
stick you with the needle.


Holy. You sound like my dad, who's aversion to needles was so 
powerful he never took any sort of pain medication for dental work. 
I can't even begin to imagine.


As for the Novocaine issue, do what I do - always schedule the work 
late in the day, then go home and sleep it off.


Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 24, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Correct.  Nothing eliminates pain.  Pain is there to keep us from 
hurting ourselves and to allow healing.


 I do not even let the dentist use Novocaine.  The drill is 
annoying, but the pain is not that bad.  When I get out of the 
chair, it is over.  When they use Novocaine,  you are out of 
commission for at least half a day.  Overcoming pain is more a 
matter of mind over matter.  This position is not without 
experience.  My back was nearly broken over 40 years ago.  It hurts 
right now.  But it is a minor annoyance.


 Having the right mindset, laughing, and keeping busy are the best 
medications for pain.


 I believe there are less addictive medicines available, if 
medicine is necessary.




 Some painkillers affect people differently.  For example, after a few doses
 of Percoset I stopped taking them because of unpredictable side effects.
 Hydrocodone was far more predictable but I also only took a few.  I am
 like Dan, would rather tough it out.

 Pain medication is supposed to reduce, not eliminate pain, right?

 I think a lot of people think pain medication should eliminate pain of any
 sort.

 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


 That stuff scares the heck out of me. I am understandably concerned about
 the wife's upcoming hip replacement surgery, as I know there will be a lot
 of post operative pain, and she has a pretty low threshold for it.

 I rarely even take something for a headache, as I would rather tough it
 out than take medication, even OTC stuff.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick 
 wrote:

 > My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited --
 had a kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more 
than enough,

 tossed the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.
 >
 > After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves, and
 those Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but how wants
 to be zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I can barely
 move, I don't want to be out.
 >
 > As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality
 blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.
 >
 > Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the
 same, just a different way to get there.
 >
 > Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Dan Penoff]

Holy. You sound like my dad, who's aversion to needles was so powerful he never 
took any sort of pain medication for dental work. I can't even begin to imagine.

As for the Novocaine issue, do what I do - always schedule the work late in the 
day, then go home and sleep it off.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 24, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Correct.  Nothing eliminates pain.  Pain is there to keep us from hurting 
> ourselves and to allow healing.
> 
> I do not even let the dentist use Novocaine.  The drill is annoying, but the 
> pain is not that bad.  When I get out of the chair, it is over.  When they 
> use Novocaine,  you are out of commission for at least half a day.  
> Overcoming pain is more a matter of mind over matter.  This position is not 
> without experience.  My back was nearly broken over 40 years ago.  It hurts 
> right now.  But it is a minor annoyance.
> 
> Having the right mindset, laughing, and keeping busy are the best medications 
> for pain.
> 
> I believe there are less addictive medicines available, if medicine is 
> necessary.
> 
> 
>> Some painkillers affect people differently.  For example, after a few doses
>> of Percoset I stopped taking them because of unpredictable side effects.
>> Hydrocodone was far more predictable but I also only took a few.  I am
>> like Dan, would rather tough it out.
>> 
>> Pain medication is supposed to reduce, not eliminate pain, right?
>> 
>> I think a lot of people think pain medication should eliminate pain of any
>> sort.
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>>> That stuff scares the heck out of me. I am understandably concerned about
>>> the wife's upcoming hip replacement surgery, as I know there will be a lot
>>> of post operative pain, and she has a pretty low threshold for it.
>>> 
>>> I rarely even take something for a headache, as I would rather tough it
>>> out than take medication, even OTC stuff.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited --
>>> had a kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more than enough,
>>> tossed the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.
>>> >
>>> > After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves, and
>>> those Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but how wants
>>> to be zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I can barely
>>> move, I don't want to be out.
>>> >
>>> > As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality
>>> blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.
>>> >
>>> > Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the
>>> same, just a different way to get there.
>>> >
>>> > Peter
>>> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Peter Frederick]

One of the really bad things about modern medicine is that they tell  
you "pain killers" will make you totally pain free.  I've got  
arthritis in my hands now, and believe me, you have to be totally  
unconcious to be pain free!  Livable, yes, free of pain like you were  
18, not a chance.


Opiates really don't do anything about the pain, they just make you  
not care so much.  We'd all be better off if people were told that to  
start with.  It's like Valium for anxiety -- Valium is a muscle  
relaxant, you couldn't be anxious if your feet were burning, it blocks  
the physiological response.  It does nothing for mental states.


Tough it out works MUCH better.  We have a family friend with a very  
long tale of accidents, surgerys, cancer (three times, all different)  
and basic old age, and she is allergic to all opiates.  She said you  
just have to distract yourself.  Since she's still alive, she probably  
has something there!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Dieselhead]

Correct.  Nothing eliminates pain.  Pain is there to keep us from 
hurting ourselves and to allow healing.


I do not even let the dentist use Novocaine.  The drill is annoying, 
but the pain is not that bad.  When I get out of the chair, it is 
over.  When they use Novocaine,  you are out of commission for at 
least half a day.  Overcoming pain is more a matter of mind over 
matter.  This position is not without experience.  My back was nearly 
broken over 40 years ago.  It hurts right now.  But it is a minor 
annoyance.


Having the right mindset, laughing, and keeping busy are the best 
medications for pain.


I believe there are less addictive medicines available, if medicine 
is necessary.




Some painkillers affect people differently.  For example, after a few doses
of Percoset I stopped taking them because of unpredictable side effects.
 Hydrocodone was far more predictable but I also only took a few.  I am
like Dan, would rather tough it out.

Pain medication is supposed to reduce, not eliminate pain, right?

I think a lot of people think pain medication should eliminate pain of any
sort.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


 That stuff scares the heck out of me. I am understandably concerned about
 the wife's upcoming hip replacement surgery, as I know there will be a lot
 of post operative pain, and she has a pretty low threshold for it.

 I rarely even take something for a headache, as I would rather tough it
 out than take medication, even OTC stuff.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick 
 wrote:

 > My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited --
 had a kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more than enough,
 tossed the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.
 >
 > After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves, and
 those Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but how wants
 to be zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I can barely
 move, I don't want to be out.
 >
 > As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality
 blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.
 >
 > Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the
 same, just a different way to get there.
 >
 > Peter
 >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Brian Toscano]

Some painkillers affect people differently.  For example, after a few doses
of Percoset I stopped taking them because of unpredictable side effects.
 Hydrocodone was far more predictable but I also only took a few.  I am
like Dan, would rather tough it out.

Pain medication is supposed to reduce, not eliminate pain, right?

I think a lot of people think pain medication should eliminate pain of any
sort.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> That stuff scares the heck out of me. I am understandably concerned about
> the wife's upcoming hip replacement surgery, as I know there will be a lot
> of post operative pain, and she has a pretty low threshold for it.
>
> I rarely even take something for a headache, as I would rather tough it
> out than take medication, even OTC stuff.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick 
> wrote:
>
> > My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited --
> had a kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more than enough,
> tossed the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.
> >
> > After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves, and
> those Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but how wants
> to be zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I can barely
> move, I don't want to be out.
> >
> > As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality
> blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.
> >
> > Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the
> same, just a different way to get there.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Dan Penoff]

That stuff scares the heck out of me. I am understandably concerned about the 
wife's upcoming hip replacement surgery, as I know there will be a lot of post 
operative pain, and she has a pretty low threshold for it.

I rarely even take something for a headache, as I would rather tough it out 
than take medication, even OTC stuff.

Dan

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On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

> My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited -- had a 
> kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more than enough, tossed 
> the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.
> 
> After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves, and those 
> Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but how wants to be 
> zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I can barely move, I 
> don't want to be out.
> 
> As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality 
> blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.
> 
> Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the same, 
> just a different way to get there.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Peter Frederick]

My own personal experiences with strong painkillers are very limited  
-- had a kidney stone in 2002, NOT fun, but one percocet was more than  
enough, tossed the rest.  The pain goes away, the drugs last all day.


After my auto accident, I had some severe pain from bruised nerves,  
and those Lortabs were great for the two days I really suffered, but  
how wants to be zoned out?  I got stuff to do, even when I'm so sore I  
can barely move, I don't want to be out.


As I said, the real danger is finding being disconnected from reality  
blissful.  Steep slope down to a place ya don't wanna be, I think.


Everybody knows at least one alcoholic, painkiller addiction is the  
same, just a different way to get there.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Michael Canfield]

A good way to sum it up I think.

Chemical dependancy works on your body, it makes you FEEL like you need
more.

Addiction works on your brain, it makes you THINK that you need more.

Comments?

Mike
On Mar 24, 2013 10:54 AM, "Peter Frederick"  wrote:

> Symptoms of addiction to painkillers are:
>
> Needing increasing doses to achieve "pain" control long after any serious
> pain should be gone (post-surgical injury pain shouldn't last more than 48
> hours, but bone surgery pain can last a couple weeks at uncomfortable
> levels)
>
> Being unable to function without "pain" medications (erratic behavior,
> intense "pain", irrattibility, uncontrolled anger which goes away when
> taking oxycontin)
>
> Worrying that you don't have enough medications for when the pharmacy is
> closed
>
> Going to several doctors to get the same medications
>
> Buying black market drugs.
>
> You aren't going to get hooked on oxycontin in a week, but if you "feel
> reallly good" when you are taking them, quit as soon as you can and stay
> away from them.
>
> Addiction is a complex thing, but the key, I think, is avoidance of
> something.  I used to work with drug and alcohol abusing kids, and not a
> single one of them had a normal life.  So far as I could tell, they were
> all trying to eliminate bad memories by being unconscious, which is gonna
> get you sooner rather than later.  Believe me, most of those memories were
> REALLY bad, but drinking or drugging to avoid dealing with things gets you
> dead pretty quick, and worse, turns you into a sick zombie first.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Peter Frederick]

Symptoms of addiction to painkillers are:

Needing increasing doses to achieve "pain" control long after any  
serious pain should be gone (post-surgical injury pain shouldn't last  
more than 48 hours, but bone surgery pain can last a couple weeks at  
uncomfortable levels)


Being unable to function without "pain" medications (erratic behavior,  
intense "pain", irrattibility, uncontrolled anger which goes away when  
taking oxycontin)


Worrying that you don't have enough medications for when the pharmacy  
is closed


Going to several doctors to get the same medications

Buying black market drugs.

You aren't going to get hooked on oxycontin in a week, but if you  
"feel reallly good" when you are taking them, quit as soon as you can  
and stay away from them.


Addiction is a complex thing, but the key, I think, is avoidance of  
something.  I used to work with drug and alcohol abusing kids, and not  
a single one of them had a normal life.  So far as I could tell, they  
were all trying to eliminate bad memories by being unconscious, which  
is gonna get you sooner rather than later.  Believe me, most of those  
memories were REALLY bad, but drinking or drugging to avoid dealing  
with things gets you dead pretty quick, and worse, turns you into a  
sick zombie first.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooked on oxys [was: Re: Ripping me open [was: Re: Autohaus AZ]]

[Michael Canfield]

Some signs: pain seems like it is not helped any more, craving for the pill
just because you think it will make things better, temptation to use
recreationally, lying about it if you do take an extra one, a feeling that
everything sucks until ya get another one, irritabilty(sp?)...even the
nicest people can become an asshole to those closest to them first, new
pains "appear" when they aren't really there leading you to think you need
more(when you stop the pills the pain goes away too), depression,
antisocial behavior(especially towards anyone trying to tell you "it's the
pills") and worse.  Then, there is the fact that once you are a pill addict
you will always have that temptation to control, for the rest of your life.

Toni was prescribed Percoset and others for over 2 years before the docs
finally decided she wasn't just a pill head looking for a buzz and they did
surgery on her ankle.  We almost split up over the behavior caused by the
addiction.  She would lie about, sneak and steal those damned things and
she had no control over it.  Toni is probably the most brutally honest
person you could ever lay eyes on, but not on pills.

Hope this helps open up some eyes about the dangers of this shit the docs
are feeding us.

Mike
On Mar 24, 2013 10:17 AM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:13:52 -0400 Michael Canfield 
> wrote:
>
> > Heck yeah!  I have seen some really good people turn into useless
> > dirtbags and lose everything hooked on oxys.  Never, ever, ever let
> > anyone talk you into using either of those recreationally.  It's a bad
> > addiction/chemical dependency that even the strongest seem unable to
> > control on their own.  I live an hour from a guy they call "the oxy
> > doc" and have watched him precribe many folks lives down the shitter
> > when they did not need such a dangerous drug.
>
> So what are the symptoms of being hooked on oxys? How does one avoid it?
> I don't experience any particular rush when I take the meds to alleviate
> the pain that starts when they wear off.
>
> Perhaps I should change to a lower-potency drug when I get back to Los
> Alamos.
>
>
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