Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 1:44 PM -0700 6/1/13, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

There was some very strong feelings about coffee in Germany in the early
1700s.  J.S. Bach even wrote about the craze in The Coffee Cantata.


As opposed to PDQ Bach's Sanka Cantata...  ;-)

http://www.schickele.com/composition/sanka.htm

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Darren Marshall
So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Kleb was. Regina was never on the Hitler list.
 
 Marshall and I spoke of the Hitler list several times. He was uncomfortable 
 with the environment.
 
 Dan
 
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 On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff wrote:
 Banned originally came from a group of us who were tossed out of another 
 list for what most would consider minor infractions, or, in quainter sense, 
 pointing out that the king wasn't wearing any clothing, so to speak.
 
 Were Regina and/or K'leb ever banned?
 
 I assume Stu knew better than to ban A. M. Booth.
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote:
 So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?

Yeah.
Tell us what is usually a good time for this crazy bunch to see your
shop in operation.  I would think you roast early in the day?  Tell us
what time of day is best to see roasting in operation and what day of
the week is best to see stuff happen?  And of course, we all gotta sit
at the bar and get buzzed on espresso bean juice.  I presume you pull
shots of your Hoist or Foundation as well as pour over? of Threadless
or Sidama or Yergacheffe?

Perhaps since you know your shop better you need to suggest a date and
we all commit or not.  I presume if Darryl is going to make it - he is
from Columbus, OH and reads banned and said he is interested - weekend
would be better, but... maybe roasting doesn't happen on weekends?

Go ahead, suggest a date.  Then Rick can speak up as to his schedule.
Me? - what commitments?  coffee is a great commitment.  Train to
downtown, saunter over to Michigan Ave, catch bus north, or have the
'78 240D Uber service pick us up at some intersection.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead

So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com


5th sunday in Feb is good!

Secret message for Darren:

BTW, call Tom at 515 681 0672.  He is trying to get ahold of bowtruss.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-05 Thread Darren Marshall
Cool, I'll talk with the crew and conjure up some options.

Will call Tom maƱana 

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On Jun 5, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 So when is a good time to get this crazy bunch together?
 
 Darren Marshall
 http://doejo.com
 http://bowtruss.com
 
 5th sunday in Feb is good!
 
 Secret message for Darren:
 
 BTW, call Tom at 515 681 0672.  He is trying to get ahold of bowtruss.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
I would say so.

Dan

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On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's in the shadows?
 
 
 A bunch of geezers rambling and ranting with no language or subject material 
 limitations. Does that sum it up pretty well Dan or Dan or any other Banned 
 folks?
 
 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Mountain Man
Rick wrote:
 Does that sum it up pretty well Dan or Dan or any other Banned folks?


To be precise, banned is the whole reason okiebenz has any place on
the interwebs.  The kinder  gentler list got tired of the fun and
games and banned jabba-drfatty and hence mbz.org was born.  Banned was
the first email list among many at mbz.org and banned was designed to
be without boundary in language or any politeness.  From that, a
somewhat tight-knit group formed.  Other email lists were included in
the mbz.org fold, including one that got me addicted to vintage
mechanical time pieces.  None of this electro jaz watches, mechanical
master pieces mostly hand wind.  And vintage mercedes, and then other
mercedes groups such as SL or diesel or... fill-in-the-blank.  All the
lists were designed to be polite, only banned was founded as boundless
in terms of language or polity or insult - kinda cool, but it has
fizzled, essentially.  See okiebenz for sign up.
mao aka Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Banned originally came from a group of us who were tossed out of another list 
for what most would consider minor infractions, or, in quainter sense, pointing 
out that the king wasn't wearing any clothing, so to speak.

Challenging the status quo, even politely, would result in one being 
unceremoniously pooferated from the list.

When this occurred, those of us removed created a forum where we could let off 
steam and carry on a 'la good old boys at the bar, scratching what needed to 
be scratched and speaking our colorful minds without fear of offending.

This august group continues on in a somewhat abbreviated form at present, with 
semi-regular gatherings under the guise of getting together to talk about our 
cars.

Dan Banned and damned proud of it

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On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Rick wrote:
 Does that sum it up pretty well Dan or Dan or any other Banned folks?
 
 To be precise, banned is the whole reason okiebenz has any place on
 the interwebs.  The kinder  gentler list got tired of the fun and
 games and banned jabba-drfatty and hence mbz.org was born.  Banned was
 the first email list among many at mbz.org and banned was designed to
 be without boundary in language or any politeness.  From that, a
 somewhat tight-knit group formed.  Other email lists were included in
 the mbz.org fold, including one that got me addicted to vintage
 mechanical time pieces.  None of this electro jaz watches, mechanical
 master pieces mostly hand wind.  And vintage mercedes, and then other
 mercedes groups such as SL or diesel or... fill-in-the-blank.  All the
 lists were designed to be polite, only banned was founded as boundless
 in terms of language or polity or insult - kinda cool, but it has
 fizzled, essentially.  See okiebenz for sign up.
 mao aka Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley

Dan Penoff wrote:

Banned originally came from a group of us who were tossed out of another list 
for what most would consider minor infractions, or, in quainter sense, pointing 
out that the king wasn't wearing any clothing, so to speak.


Were Regina and/or K'leb ever banned?

I assume Stu knew better than to ban A. M. Booth.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread clay
There has been a recent dearth of unsettling imagery.  

Then again, list mom must be hoarding it and failing to pass it along.   Maybe 
...

clay

On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

 On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's in the shadows?
 
 
 A bunch of geezers rambling and ranting with no language or subject material 
 limitations. Does that sum it up pretty well Dan or Dan or any other Banned 
 folks?
 
 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Kleb was. Regina was never on the Hitler list.

Marshall and I spoke of the Hitler list several times. He was uncomfortable 
with the environment.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Dan Penoff wrote:
 Banned originally came from a group of us who were tossed out of another 
 list for what most would consider minor infractions, or, in quainter sense, 
 pointing out that the king wasn't wearing any clothing, so to speak.
 
 Were Regina and/or K'leb ever banned?
 
 I assume Stu knew better than to ban A. M. Booth.
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Rick Knoble
Count me in. Luther? Deneal and Todd are on banned only, maybe Dan G. can see 
if they want in too. 

Rick
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On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Let me know when you'd like to set something up... I can meet impromptu 
 individually or if more want to get together, and fill up the that block with 
 benzes I'm game ;)

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread John Reames
Unfortunately, I'm inconveniently distant... (Foo!)

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On Jun 3, 2013, at 14:37, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Count me in. Luther? Deneal and Todd are on banned only, maybe Dan G. can see 
 if they want in too. 
 
 Rick
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Let me know when you'd like to set something up... I can meet impromptu 
 individually or if more want to get together, and fill up the that block 
 with benzes I'm game ;)
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Dieselhead

Unfortunately, I'm inconveniently distant... (Foo!)

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Mobile: +14437915905


Hey John!  they have a lil airport there.  Buy a ticket to Orchard IL 
(ORD)  An MB/Coffee confab oughta be worth the price of a ticket.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Benz Hogs

My wife might even like to join for that tour :)

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (165,xxx mi)

On 6/2/2013 7:35 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Darren wrote:

I recently opened a roastery with a few partners in Chicago last year called 
Bow Truss...


Can we have a special OkieBenzChicago tour to see Bow Truss roastery?
Actually, how about a OkieBenzChicago and HomeBaristaChicago tour?
I've heard of Bow Truss and seen the website - I will need to check
out your place again tonight.  Lessee... take train in to town and
figure out CTA to Bow Truss - could be fun.  Informal tour with Darren
the roaster from OkieBenz - whodathunk!  I presume too much... but if
it is something that you might arrange to happen, count me in.  I
think I favor Ethiopia coffees, but I don't know.  I am pulling Klatch
Belle on la Pavoni Europiccola, the 3-pedal 240D of espresso.
Very cool to meet Darren of Bow Truss at OkieBenz.
Do you read home-barista?
mao



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Mountain Man
Luther wrote:
 My wife might even like to join for that tour :)

It WILL happen.
I shall see that banned and DS and the DBT/DBV confab know about the
tour.  Okay? Darren?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Rick Knoble
Should be a range of MB there, from my rust bucket CD, to Deneals SL. 

Rick
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 Luther wrote:
 My wife might even like to join for that tour :)
 
 It WILL happen.
 I shall see that banned and DS and the DBT/DBV confab know about the
 tour.  Okay? Darren?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Darren Marshall
Not sure what those acronyms mean, but I'm down to host whoever can make it.

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Luther wrote:
 My wife might even like to join for that tour :)
 
 It WILL happen.
 I shall see that banned and DS and the DBT/DBV confab know about the
 tour.  Okay? Darren?
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff
DS = Deneal Schulmeister
DBV = Doobie Van Knutson
DBT = Doobie Todd Knutson

Don't ask.  Very, very good people with a long heritage relative to MB lists. 
The Doobie brothers are denizens of SE Wisconsin, as I once was.  They frequent 
the Milwaukee area, but are relatively harmless.  Deneal is a fellow FIB living 
in the ChiTown area.

Dan formerly known as Poosy and a former Cheesehead and proud of it


On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Darren Marshall wrote:

 Not sure what those acronyms mean, but I'm down to host whoever can make it.
 
 Darren Marshall
 http://doejo.com
 http://bowtruss.com
 
 On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Luther wrote:
 My wife might even like to join for that tour :)
 
 It WILL happen.
 I shall see that banned and DS and the DBT/DBV confab know about the
 tour.  Okay? Darren?
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Darren Marshall
Ha, ok well... Sounds great :)

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 DS = Deneal Schulmeister
 DBV = Doobie Van Knutson
 DBT = Doobie Todd Knutson
 
 Don't ask.  Very, very good people with a long heritage relative to MB lists. 
 The Doobie brothers are denizens of SE Wisconsin, as I once was.  They 
 frequent the Milwaukee area, but are relatively harmless.  Deneal is a fellow 
 FIB living in the ChiTown area.
 
 Dan formerly known as Poosy and a former Cheesehead and proud of it
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Darren Marshall wrote:
 
 Not sure what those acronyms mean, but I'm down to host whoever can make it.
 
 Darren Marshall
 http://doejo.com
 http://bowtruss.com
 
 On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Luther wrote:
 My wife might even like to join for that tour :)
 
 It WILL happen.
 I shall see that banned and DS and the DBT/DBV confab know about the
 tour.  Okay? Darren?
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff
Todd will need to bring cheese, Van some kringle from Racine, and Deneal, well, 
he can bring his SL. Maybe the new one he's lusting after right now.

Dan



On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Darren Marshall wrote:

 Ha, ok well... Sounds great :)
 
 Darren Marshall
 http://doejo.com
 http://bowtruss.com
 
 On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 DS = Deneal Schulmeister
 DBV = Doobie Van Knutson
 DBT = Doobie Todd Knutson
 
 Don't ask.  Very, very good people with a long heritage relative to MB 
 lists. The Doobie brothers are denizens of SE Wisconsin, as I once was.  
 They frequent the Milwaukee area, but are relatively harmless.  Deneal is a 
 fellow FIB living in the ChiTown area.
 
 Dan formerly known as Poosy and a former Cheesehead and proud of it
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Darren Marshall wrote:
 
 Not sure what those acronyms mean, but I'm down to host whoever can make it.
 
 Darren Marshall
 http://doejo.com
 http://bowtruss.com
 
 On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Luther wrote:
 My wife might even like to join for that tour :)
 
 It WILL happen.
 I shall see that banned and DS and the DBT/DBV confab know about the
 tour.  Okay? Darren?
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote:
 Todd will need to bring cheese, Van some kringle from Racine, and Deneal, 
 well, he can bring his SL. Maybe the new one he's lusting after right now.


Definitely kringle.
DS should supply cigars - yeah right, not at his price-point I
suspect, i.e. prolly contraband cuban or somesuch.  He used to run a
shop downtown someplace.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Rusty Cullens
Deneal will bring his Mustang. Nothing else. 



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Dan wrote:
 Todd will need to bring cheese, Van some kringle from Racine, and Deneal,
well, he can bring his SL. Maybe the new one he's lusting after right now.


Definitely kringle.
DS should supply cigars - yeah right, not at his price-point I suspect, i.e.
prolly contraband cuban or somesuch.  He used to run a shop downtown
someplace.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff
Yeah I forgot about Denial's penchant for cigars...

Thanks for filling in the gaps.

Dan

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On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Dan wrote:
 Todd will need to bring cheese, Van some kringle from Racine, and Deneal, 
 well, he can bring his SL. Maybe the new one he's lusting after right now.
 
 Definitely kringle.
 DS should supply cigars - yeah right, not at his price-point I
 suspect, i.e. prolly contraband cuban or somesuch.  He used to run a
 shop downtown someplace.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Mountain Man
Rusty wrote:
 Deneal will bring his Mustang. Nothing else.

Is that type of talk allowed at mbz?  Shouldn't you be using those
words over at banned?
How long have you been here at okiebenz, Darren?
Do you know about the dark shadows of banned?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Darren Marshall
I don't... only been here about a month, maybe less. What's in the shadows?

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Rusty wrote:
 Deneal will bring his Mustang. Nothing else.
 
 Is that type of talk allowed at mbz?  Shouldn't you be using those
 words over at banned?
 How long have you been here at okiebenz, Darren?
 Do you know about the dark shadows of banned?
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com wrote:

 What's in the shadows?


A bunch of geezers rambling and ranting with no language or subject material 
limitations. Does that sum it up pretty well Dan or Dan or any other Banned 
folks?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-03 Thread clay
I really enjoy the Antigua beans from Guatemala.  Makes the most balanced cup I 
have ever had.  Finding the green beans is a nigh impossible adventure, but 
once I have them,  I use an air pop machine from goodwill to roast 0.25 cup of 
beans to perfection.  I have to keep an eye on it, as there is no set time 
you can count on.  Depends on how fresh the beans are, weather outside, and 
room temp.  It is an art of matching up color with odor and moving quickly to 
get them out of the popper to cool for just right roast.  Once they are cool, 
toss into the mill and then into the vacuum pot with cold filtered water.

clay

On Jun 1, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

 Peter wrote:
 I roast my own -- I'm quite partial to Guatemala  coffees and like
 Mocha/Java (Ethiopean dry process roasted lightly mixed with Indonesian
 coffee roasted quite dark), lovely blend.
 
 Do you roast enough to sell?  Count me interested in a pound or less
 of each, if/when - let me/us know price shipped?
 What type of roaster?
 8 years ago one of the neighbors roasted coffee, he moved to FL.
 What brew method do you you use?
 Coffee chatter at okie-mercedes - interesting.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-02 Thread Gerry Archer
You do have to burn off the superficial taste buds in order to enjoy the 
full, rich flavor of boiled, perked, dripped, and instant coffee.  Us old, 
experienced coffee drinkers have tough but delicate taste buds.

Gerryscratching his back with a wire brush

From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net

Geesh, you must not have any taste buds if you can tolerate instant 
coffee in a microwave!


I roast my own -- I'm quite partial to Guatemala  coffees and like 
Mocha/Java (Ethiopean dry process roasted lightly mixed with  Indonesian 
coffee roasted quite dark), lovely blend.


I have an old vacuum pot downstairs somewhere I picked up in the 80's, 
probably left over from the 50's like my Mom's old one.  Sadly, the 
gaskets have died and are impossible to find.  Mine is automatic --  
bottom pot boils, thermostat kicks out, and the coffee slurps back down.


Gotta use a fairly coarse grind, though!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Agreed, glad there are some coffee enthusiasts here :)

I recently opened a roastery with a few partners in Chicago last year called 
Bow Truss; we use a 12 kilo probat, serve up some really special naturals 
(Ethiopia Sidama, Yirgacheffe), a bunch of single origins (Timor, Guat, Papau 
New Guinea) and a couple of blends.

I push v60 for home brewing, it's a bit of science but is super simple for 
those looking to get away from drip pots...

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter wrote:
 I roast my own -- I'm quite partial to Guatemala  coffees and like
 Mocha/Java (Ethiopean dry process roasted lightly mixed with Indonesian
 coffee roasted quite dark), lovely blend.
 
 Do you roast enough to sell?  Count me interested in a pound or less
 of each, if/when - let me/us know price shipped?
 What type of roaster?
 8 years ago one of the neighbors roasted coffee, he moved to FL.
 What brew method do you you use?
 Coffee chatter at okie-mercedes - interesting.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-02 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote:
 I recently opened a roastery with a few partners in Chicago last year called 
 Bow Truss...

Can we have a special OkieBenzChicago tour to see Bow Truss roastery?
Actually, how about a OkieBenzChicago and HomeBaristaChicago tour?
I've heard of Bow Truss and seen the website - I will need to check
out your place again tonight.  Lessee... take train in to town and
figure out CTA to Bow Truss - could be fun.  Informal tour with Darren
the roaster from OkieBenz - whodathunk!  I presume too much... but if
it is something that you might arrange to happen, count me in.  I
think I favor Ethiopia coffees, but I don't know.  I am pulling Klatch
Belle on la Pavoni Europiccola, the 3-pedal 240D of espresso.
Very cool to meet Darren of Bow Truss at OkieBenz.
Do you read home-barista?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Sure, would be happy to. 

Let me know when you'd like to set something up... I can meet impromptu 
individually or if more want to get together, and fill up the that block with 
benzes I'm game ;)

Home Barista sounds super familiar, is that your site?

Darren Marshall
http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com

On Jun 2, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Darren wrote:
 I recently opened a roastery with a few partners in Chicago last year called 
 Bow Truss...
 
 Can we have a special OkieBenzChicago tour to see Bow Truss roastery?
 Actually, how about a OkieBenzChicago and HomeBaristaChicago tour?
 I've heard of Bow Truss and seen the website - I will need to check
 out your place again tonight.  Lessee... take train in to town and
 figure out CTA to Bow Truss - could be fun.  Informal tour with Darren
 the roaster from OkieBenz - whodathunk!  I presume too much... but if
 it is something that you might arrange to happen, count me in.  I
 think I favor Ethiopia coffees, but I don't know.  I am pulling Klatch
 Belle on la Pavoni Europiccola, the 3-pedal 240D of espresso.
 Very cool to meet Darren of Bow Truss at OkieBenz.
 Do you read home-barista?
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-02 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote:
 Home Barista sounds super familiar, is that your site?

home-barista is a website of people who brew coffee and pull espresso.
 Much good advice is learned there about getting proper espresso
(crema) and flavor from coffee.  Bow Truss Ethiopia a year ago got
rave review chocolate bomb from one guy.  One of the well respected
contributors is the guy that runs coffeecuppers website and he lives
north of Bow Truss.  We need a Bow Truss storefront in far west
suburbia.  But probably not.  I think most suburbia think
caribou/star$$ are the rave and are happy to contribute to large
corporate.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread clay
That is actually the best tasting coffee I have ever brewed.  Steeping the 
grounds and then evacuating must be the trick.   French press sits on the 
grounds, the perk recycles and concentrates the alkaloids, boiling probably 
does the same.

clay



On Jun 1, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Mountain Man wrote:

 Vacuum (siphon )coffee maker - is anyone familiar with this type of
 coffee maker?
 I have some spare parts if someone wants to experiment.
 Here is youtube showing the kit (paraphernalia):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSCHyF_XO8
 
 What I did was grind the coffee too fine and the bottom bowl imploded.
 Siphon coffee uses basic physics - water expands when heated to
 vapor, water contracts when vapor cools.  Heat water in a closed pot
 and we have a pressure cooker.  Siphon coffee - there is an outlet in
 the pressure vessel that is submerged in the hot water and drives the
 hot water out of the bottom due to expanding water vapor.  Remove the
 heat and the resultant vacuum in the bottom vacuum sucks the brew in
 the top, thru the filter in to the bottom pot.  This is my favorite
 coffee brew method, except when I use grinds finer than french press
 and choke the filter and implode the bottom bowl - btdt several times,
 which is why I offer a top bowl to someone that perhaps wants to
 experiment in siphon coffee.
 
 Details:
 You pay actual shipping (~$7) and I ship top bowl, filter plate, top
 cover plastic, wire trivet.
 You buy bottom bowl and 5 filter cloth all at closeout price at
 orphanespresso ($11+$4+shipping) and you too learn the fun of a
 wonderful cupp siphon coffee.  Careful - i.e. do not grind coffee too
 fine.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Gerry Archer
I bought a Keurig since I liked the coffee my daughter made in hers.  Turned 
out that it was too much fiddling compared to dumping a tsp of instant in a 
cup of hot water from the microwave.  Going to give it to one of the grown 
grandchildren as soon as daughter asks them if they're interested.


Son has the one I would like to have which also has a German name.  He dumps 
a lb. or two of beans in the top, pushes a button for whatever strength 
coffee he wants; it grinds the beans, heats and brews the coffee, and pours 
it in the cup all in a very short time.

It will make other beverages as well IIRC.  Problem is, it cost over $1000.

Daughter likes her Keurig because she entertains once in a while and her 
guests can pick whichever kind of coffee they like from a selection of a 
dozen or more types.


Gainesville, Fl Mercedes dealer has a coffee maker similar to the Keurig, 
but it uses ground coffee in sealed filter paper bags.  It make pretty good 
coffee as well.


Still, I fondly remember the old dripolaters and perkolators, and even 
boiled coffee which would knock your socks off if you weren't careful.


I also remember a railroad cafe that a blind man could find around breakfast 
time just by listening for the railroaders saucering and blowing the 
gawdawful boiled coffee they sold.


History:  A couple of centuries ago Frederick the Great (Freidrich der 
Grosse) instituted high import duties on coffee because Germans were 
drinking too much of it and it was affecting Germanies balance of payments. 
He sent out word to the German people that beer soup (he probably just 
meant beer) was much better for them than coffee; and this is probably the 
reason beer is now the national beverage.  Freidrich was a wise man.


Gerrywho feels talkative today.

From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com

Vacuum (siphon )coffee maker - is anyone familiar with this type of
coffee maker?
I have some spare parts if someone wants to experiment.
Here is youtube showing the kit (paraphernalia):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSCHyF_XO8

What I did was grind the coffee too fine and the bottom bowl imploded.
Siphon coffee uses basic physics - water expands when heated to
vapor, water contracts when vapor cools.  Heat water in a closed pot
and we have a pressure cooker.  Siphon coffee - there is an outlet in
the pressure vessel that is submerged in the hot water and drives the
hot water out of the bottom due to expanding water vapor.  Remove the
heat and the resultant vacuum in the bottom vacuum sucks the brew in
the top, thru the filter in to the bottom pot.  This is my favorite
coffee brew method, except when I use grinds finer than french press
and choke the filter and implode the bottom bowl - btdt several times,
which is why I offer a top bowl to someone that perhaps wants to
experiment in siphon coffee.

Details:
You pay actual shipping (~$7) and I ship top bowl, filter plate, top
cover plastic, wire trivet.
You buy bottom bowl and 5 filter cloth all at closeout price at
orphanespresso ($11+$4+shipping) and you too learn the fun of a
wonderful cupp siphon coffee.  Careful - i.e. do not grind coffee too
fine.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Greg Fiorentino
There was some very strong feelings about coffee in Germany in the early
1700s.  J.S. Bach even wrote about the craze in The Coffee Cantata.

Greg

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Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 11:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

I bought a Keurig since I liked the coffee my daughter made in hers.  Turned
out that it was too much fiddling compared to dumping a tsp of instant in a
cup of hot water from the microwave.  Going to give it to one of the grown
grandchildren as soon as daughter asks them if they're interested.

Son has the one I would like to have which also has a German name.  He dumps
a lb. or two of beans in the top, pushes a button for whatever strength
coffee he wants; it grinds the beans, heats and brews the coffee, and pours
it in the cup all in a very short time.
It will make other beverages as well IIRC.  Problem is, it cost over $1000.

Daughter likes her Keurig because she entertains once in a while and her
guests can pick whichever kind of coffee they like from a selection of a
dozen or more types.

Gainesville, Fl Mercedes dealer has a coffee maker similar to the Keurig,
but it uses ground coffee in sealed filter paper bags.  It make pretty good
coffee as well.

Still, I fondly remember the old dripolaters and perkolators, and even
boiled coffee which would knock your socks off if you weren't careful.

I also remember a railroad cafe that a blind man could find around breakfast
time just by listening for the railroaders saucering and blowing the
gawdawful boiled coffee they sold.

History:  A couple of centuries ago Frederick the Great (Freidrich der
Grosse) instituted high import duties on coffee because Germans were
drinking too much of it and it was affecting Germanies balance of payments. 
He sent out word to the German people that beer soup (he probably just
meant beer) was much better for them than coffee; and this is probably the
reason beer is now the national beverage.  Freidrich was a wise man.

Gerrywho feels talkative today.

From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 Vacuum (siphon )coffee maker - is anyone familiar with this type of 
 coffee maker?
 I have some spare parts if someone wants to experiment.
 Here is youtube showing the kit (paraphernalia):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSCHyF_XO8

 What I did was grind the coffee too fine and the bottom bowl imploded.
 Siphon coffee uses basic physics - water expands when heated to vapor, 
 water contracts when vapor cools.  Heat water in a closed pot and we 
 have a pressure cooker.  Siphon coffee - there is an outlet in the 
 pressure vessel that is submerged in the hot water and drives the hot 
 water out of the bottom due to expanding water vapor.  Remove the heat 
 and the resultant vacuum in the bottom vacuum sucks the brew in the 
 top, thru the filter in to the bottom pot.  This is my favorite coffee 
 brew method, except when I use grinds finer than french press and 
 choke the filter and implode the bottom bowl - btdt several times, 
 which is why I offer a top bowl to someone that perhaps wants to 
 experiment in siphon coffee.

 Details:
 You pay actual shipping (~$7) and I ship top bowl, filter plate, top 
 cover plastic, wire trivet.
 You buy bottom bowl and 5 filter cloth all at closeout price at 
 orphanespresso ($11+$4+shipping) and you too learn the fun of a 
 wonderful cupp siphon coffee.  Careful - i.e. do not grind coffee too 
 fine.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Peter Frederick
Geesh, you must not have any taste buds if you can tolerate instant  
coffee in a microwave!


I roast my own -- I'm quite partial to Guatemala  coffees and like  
Mocha/Java (Ethiopean dry process roasted lightly mixed with  
Indonesian coffee roasted quite dark), lovely blend.


I have an old vacuum pot downstairs somewhere I picked up in the 80's,  
probably left over from the 50's like my Mom's old one.  Sadly, the  
gaskets have died and are impossible to find.  Mine is automatic --  
bottom pot boils, thermostat kicks out, and the coffee slurps back down.


Gotta use a fairly coarse grind, though!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Mountain Man
Peter wrote:
 I roast my own -- I'm quite partial to Guatemala  coffees and like
 Mocha/Java (Ethiopean dry process roasted lightly mixed with Indonesian
 coffee roasted quite dark), lovely blend.

Do you roast enough to sell?  Count me interested in a pound or less
of each, if/when - let me/us know price shipped?
What type of roaster?
8 years ago one of the neighbors roasted coffee, he moved to FL.
What brew method do you you use?
Coffee chatter at okie-mercedes - interesting.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Peter Frederick

We do range rather far afield, eh?

I roast a couple ounces at a time, takes three or four rounds to roast  
a pound!


I use a hot air pop-corn popper, the cheapest way.  If you are  
interested, the old West Bend ones are the best.  They must have an  
air inlet on the side of the roasting chamber, not the bottom (the  
beans don't circulate well enough with the bottom screen, and tend to  
catch fire).


Easy enough to do, put just enough green coffee in the popcorn popper  
so that it barely moves around when you switch it on.  Gently stir  
with a wooden spoon handle (or gently shake the popper, which is what  
I do) until the beans begin to dry enough to swirl around on their own.


As they heat up they will turn yellow, then tan, then brown and start  
to make loud snapping noises -- this is first crack stage.  The  
paper skins will fly off while this is happening, so I roast outside  
or in front of the fireplace with the cover on the popper inside, this  
sends the chaff into the fireplace instead of all over the kitchen.   
Once the beans stop cracking, you have a standard roast.  Tip them out  
onto a cookie sheet to cool quickly.


Roasting makes smoke, so good ventilation (outside or in front of the  
fireplace, or a good stove hood) is required.


If you don't stop the roast, the beans will continue to get darker and  
eventually start to crack again, this time a much quieter sound and  
little bits of bean will fly off.  Watch, those bits burn if they land  
on you, the beans are something like 425 F by this time.  This is  
called second crack and is the sort of roast one wants from  
Indonesian coffee, etc.


If you keep roasting, you will get lots of smoke and have, in  
increasing color and burnt flavor, Espresso, Vienna, and French  
roast.  Past that point, there is nothing but carbon in the beans and  
they will eventually ignite.


Green coffee prices are way down at last -- typically 5-7 dollars a  
pound.  Crop failures last year drove the price way up, that was bad.   
I get most of my coffee from Sweet Maria's in Oakland, CA, but there   
are other sources that are often cheaper.  Sweet Maria's is definitely  
premium coffee.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Mountain Man
Gerry wrote:
 Still, I fondly remember the old dripolaters and perkolators, and even
 boiled coffee which would knock your socks off if you weren't careful.


The dealership coffee gig is disgusting.  Radio adv here takes pride
to say they serve customers by providing flavored coffee? - ick!!  How
mundane compared to essential transportation of W123 3-pedal car that
is so fundamentally well built it should be built again today and
remain without gizmo and jazz that a driver attentive to the road
never needed 30 years ago, nor today, I posit.

Boiled coffee - interesting memory.  A high school teacher had a
saturday evening cookout - he made boiled coffee, add quart of milk
and sugar.  , cafe-au-lait as he called it - good 'ole Pierson
Curtis was quite the old man from Maine - had an oven that sat in
front of the open fire and baked camp cornbread ate outside in cold or
warm weather and always tasty with butter and honey.  You could bake a
cake there too - slanted aluminum with wire rack to hold bake pan and
it always worked.  Bob Seebacher would make fried rice on the fire.
My swedish gramma boiled coffee with a bit of egg or egg white, oh and
the cardamon cinnamon rolls... ahh, probably best as memory, but I
would do any of it again.

How I ever swerved from the hot water and a spoonful of tasters choice
instant that my mom always did? - I dunno.  I feel on the edge of
coffee geek-dom doing vacuum/siphon coffee and lever espresso.  Hey, I
drive a 3-pedal mercedes!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Mountain Man
Peter wrote:
 I use a hot air pop-corn popper, the cheapest way.  If you are interested,
 the old West Bend ones are the best.  They must have an air inlet on the
 side of the roasting chamber, not the bottom (the beans don't circulate well
 enough with the bottom screen, and tend to catch fire).

I have heard about popcorn popper coffee roast.  That will be on my
mind if I see one at garage sale or resale shop - thanks.  I have also
been told that breadmaker is a good roaster.  All outside, well
ventilated - forgot about that warning that I have heard about -
thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Allan Streib
For single-serving or small batches of coffee the best thing I've ever
found is the Aeropress.

It's an immersion or steep and pressure method of brewing concentrated
espresso-style shots.  Uses a paper filter so no sediments or grounds in
your cup.  You top off with hot water for coffee (this is similar to an
Americano you would get at a coffee shop).  Even with ordinary
supermarket ground coffee I get a really great flavor.

http://www.amazon.com/Aerobie-AeroPress-Coffee-Espresso-Maker/dp/B0047BIWSK

(scroll down for a good illustration of how it works).


-- 
Allan Streib

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Michael Canfield
I am constantly learning something new from this group.  Honestly, I prefer
the off topic conversations we have here.  I don't generally go for off
topic stuff in most forums but the MBZ badge has brought together such an
incredibly diverse group of folks, with so many different life experiences
in this group that it would be a shame to not read them all.

Never had a clue about coffee roasting.  I love coffee.  I have an old hot
air popper.  My Mom gave me a Mr.Coffee grinder a long time ago that I have
never used.  H.  I am inspired to go shopping for some fresh beans.

Thanks for the knowledge,

Mike
On Jun 1, 2013 5:14 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 We do range rather far afield, eh?

 I roast a couple ounces at a time, takes three or four rounds to roast a
 pound!

 I use a hot air pop-corn popper, the cheapest way.  If you are interested,
 the old West Bend ones are the best.  They must have an air inlet on the
 side of the roasting chamber, not the bottom (the beans don't circulate
 well enough with the bottom screen, and tend to catch fire).

 Easy enough to do, put just enough green coffee in the popcorn popper so
 that it barely moves around when you switch it on.  Gently stir with a
 wooden spoon handle (or gently shake the popper, which is what I do) until
 the beans begin to dry enough to swirl around on their own.

 As they heat up they will turn yellow, then tan, then brown and start to
 make loud snapping noises -- this is first crack stage.  The paper skins
 will fly off while this is happening, so I roast outside or in front of the
 fireplace with the cover on the popper inside, this sends the chaff into
 the fireplace instead of all over the kitchen.  Once the beans stop
 cracking, you have a standard roast.  Tip them out onto a cookie sheet to
 cool quickly.

 Roasting makes smoke, so good ventilation (outside or in front of the
 fireplace, or a good stove hood) is required.

 If you don't stop the roast, the beans will continue to get darker and
 eventually start to crack again, this time a much quieter sound and little
 bits of bean will fly off.  Watch, those bits burn if they land on you, the
 beans are something like 425 F by this time.  This is called second crack
 and is the sort of roast one wants from Indonesian coffee, etc.

 If you keep roasting, you will get lots of smoke and have, in increasing
 color and burnt flavor, Espresso, Vienna, and French roast.  Past that
 point, there is nothing but carbon in the beans and they will eventually
 ignite.

 Green coffee prices are way down at last -- typically 5-7 dollars a pound.
  Crop failures last year drove the price way up, that was bad.  I get most
 of my coffee from Sweet Maria's in Oakland, CA, but there  are other
 sources that are often cheaper.  Sweet Maria's is definitely premium coffee.

 Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-01 Thread Mountain Man
Allan wrote:
 For single-serving or small batches of coffee the best thing I've ever
 found is the Aeropress.

Aeropress is a great tasting cuppa.
Made by the Aerobie developer, made in USA.  At least mine purchased
several years ago is made in USA...
mao

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