Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
White guys in white short sleeve shirts with narrow black ties, with short haircuts and Dietzgen or Post slide rules. The amazing thing is that it was only 51 years from the Wright bros flyer going 103' to the design of this stealth plane, and that it has been 51 years since, and all the computer jockey engineers who did NOT grow up in the depression have not been able to design a higher performance craft. Lighter and more powerful onboard computers, yes, but nothing flies higher or faster. ...or else we just don't know about it In this day of cellphone cameras, i don't think a bird higher and faster could be kept secret. Most US people would trade 5 seconds of fame for any national defense secret. (Military excepted) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
Speaking of advanced designs made by people with slide rules... http://tinyurl.com/kxox5ab Beautiful picture Looks like it could be a current engine until you look closely. the givaways that it is not a current design: steel cap on the PS pump, aluminum intake pipes, but those are part of the beauty of the photo, distributor and if you look closely, you see a Bosch inline IP, not the lousy distributor type used in the later engines. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
Speaking of advanced designs made by people with slide rules... From the 1930s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601#mediaviewer/File:Daimler-Benz-DB_601A.jpg Held records for quite a few years. Also industrial art. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
Sort of begs the question - would there be any use in trying to develop a faster aircraft? On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Speaking of advanced designs made by people with slide rules... From the 1930s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601# mediaviewer/File:Daimler-Benz-DB_601A.jpg Held records for quite a few years. Also industrial art. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:29 AM, Scott wrote: From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules Date: December 20, 2014 6:47:44 PM PST To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net, 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com As shown in the video, pressure recovery at the inlet was critical to generating thrust. If the analog computer burped and misplaced the inlet spike, the resulting drop in thrust was dramatic. This event was called an inlet unstart. The resulting violent yaw motion was the faster than human reflexes. In the early days, the SR yaw autopilot had limited authority and an unstart produced extremely violent motion at the cockpit (which was way forward at the end of a long moment arm). I believe at least one SR disintegrated inflight when the yaw from an unstart exceeded aircraft structural limits. Later in the program, better flight and engine controls mitigated the unstart problem. The SR stands as a tribute to the men (and women) who built and flew it. Those folks knew that anything worthwhile involved risk. Wikipedia has a decent article on this amazing aircraft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#Accidents_and_aircraft _disposition Scott The pilot of that SR unstart incident, a test pilot for Lockheed at the time of the accident, is a friend of mine. He was thrown clear when the jet came apart but his systems, operator was killed. He went back to flying and, up until just recently, he was flying the L-1011 launch jet for Orbital Sciences satellite launches. Addison CL-500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What, no Pell Mells? (Vonnegut's name for Pall Mall) Mitch. On December 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was thinking Camels, Lucky Strike, and some Marlboros. And of course Morleys. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
Sadly, the race to space rendered the SR71 obsolete. Each launch and recovery of the SR71 ran a minimum of $1,000,000. Even a reposition ferry flight incurred that cost. Plus, the opposition developed equipment that effectively defeated it's advantages. The spy vs spy game is a cat and mouse game with each side building ever bigger cats and mice. One satellite with the necessary camera equipment and other special electronics equipment could make a pass over the target opposition every 60 minutes.. two could be positioned so that interval was even less.. a geo-stationary could hang in orbit to give continual coverage.. so SR71, as glamorous and sexy as it is.. was simply out gunned. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What, no Pell Mells? (Vonnegut's name for Pall Mall) Mitch. On December 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was thinking Camels, Lucky Strike, and some Marlboros. And of course Morleys. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
Curly wrote: Speaking of advanced designs made by people with slide rules... From the 1930s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601#mediaviewer/File:Daimler-Benz-DB_601A.jpg Held records for quite a few years. Also industrial art. Reading the article, that engine has overhead cams - but it's an inverted V, so really the cams are underfoot - or something... Cool engine - but all those big aircraft engines are. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
Yes, it is amazing! I recently read Flying the SR-71 Blackbird: In the Cockpit on a Secret Operational Mission http://www.amazon.com/Flying-SR-71-Blackbird-Cockpit-Operational-ebook/dp/B004NNUY7O/ref=sr_1_5?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1419108990sr=1-5keywords=sr-71 by Richard H. Graham http://www.amazon.com/Richard-H.-Graham/e/B001IO9Q8E/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_5?qid=1419108990sr=1-5 (it was on sale for $2). I highly recommend it. You can get bogged down in the details of every switch in the cockpit, but the operational details of both flying it in different flight regimens and the support required to keep it in the air were fascinating. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules designed and built this 50 years ago while smoking lots of cigarettes. Quite amazing. http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-secret-engine-technology-that- made-the-sr-71-the-fa-1673510951 --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
Make that Unfiltered cigarettes and lots of black coffee. The guys that designed this airplane were truly genius. With regularity, each of the SR71's went to the edge of space at altitudes still classified, and at speeds which no other aircraft has approached before or since. It is quite interesting that the bulk of the airframe is made of titanium, which the USA has no supply, only Russia, so not only did they design the aircraft, but the story behind how the titanium was supplied to build the fleet is classified still, I'm advised. Ingenious people make things happen.. and they were ingenious in many ways no one knows of to this day. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:00 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it is amazing! I recently read Flying the SR-71 Blackbird: In the Cockpit on a Secret Operational Mission http://www.amazon.com/Flying-SR-71-Blackbird-Cockpit-Operational-ebook/dp/B004NNUY7O/ref=sr_1_5?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1419108990sr=1-5keywords=sr-71 by Richard H. Graham http://www.amazon.com/Richard-H.-Graham/e/B001IO9Q8E/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_5?qid=1419108990sr=1-5 (it was on sale for $2). I highly recommend it. You can get bogged down in the details of every switch in the cockpit, but the operational details of both flying it in different flight regimens and the support required to keep it in the air were fascinating. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules designed and built this 50 years ago while smoking lots of cigarettes. Quite amazing. http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-secret-engine-technology-that- made-the-sr-71-the-fa-1673510951 --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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They got it at Costco. Ssh. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Make that Unfiltered cigarettes and lots of black coffee. The guys that designed this airplane were truly genius. With regularity, each of the SR71's went to the edge of space at altitudes still classified, and at speeds which no other aircraft has approached before or since. It is quite interesting that the bulk of the airframe is made of titanium, which the USA has no supply, only Russia, so not only did they design the aircraft, but the story behind how the titanium was supplied to build the fleet is classified still, I'm advised. Ingenious people make things happen.. and they were ingenious in many ways no one knows of to this day. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:00 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it is amazing! I recently read Flying the SR-71 Blackbird: In the Cockpit on a Secret Operational Mission http://www.amazon.com/Flying-SR-71-Blackbird-Cockpit-Operational-ebook/dp/B004NNUY7O/ref=sr_1_5?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1419108990sr=1-5keywords=sr-71 by Richard H. Graham http://www.amazon.com/Richard-H.-Graham/e/B001IO9Q8E/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_5?qid=1419108990sr=1-5 (it was on sale for $2). I highly recommend it. You can get bogged down in the details of every switch in the cockpit, but the operational details of both flying it in different flight regimens and the support required to keep it in the air were fascinating. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules designed and built this 50 years ago while smoking lots of cigarettes. Quite amazing. http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-secret-engine-technology-that- made-the-sr-71-the-fa-1673510951 --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
As shown in the video, pressure recovery at the inlet was critical to generating thrust. If the analog computer burped and misplaced the inlet spike, the resulting drop in thrust was dramatic. This event was called an inlet unstart. The resulting violent yaw motion was the faster than human reflexes. In the early days, the SR yaw autopilot had limited authority and an unstart produced extremely violent motion at the cockpit (which was way forward at the end of a long moment arm). I believe at least one SR disintegrated inflight when the yaw from an unstart exceeded aircraft structural limits. Later in the program, better flight and engine controls mitigated the unstart problem. The SR stands as a tribute to the men (and women) who built and flew it. Those folks knew that anything worthwhile involved risk. Wikipedia has a decent article on this amazing aircraft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#Accidents_and_aircraft _disposition Scott -Original Message- From: Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules designed and built this 50 years ago while smoking lots of cigarettes. Quite amazing. http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-secret-engine-technology-that-made-the-sr- 71-the-fa-1673510951 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
All covered in gory detail in Flying the SR-71 Blackbird: In the Cockpit on a Secret Operational Mission http://www.amazon.com/Flying-SR-71-Blackbird-Cockpit-Operational-ebook/dp/B004NNUY7O/ref=sr_1_5?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1419108990sr=1-5keywords=sr-71 by Richard H. Graham http://www.amazon.com/Richard-H.-Graham/e/B001IO9Q8E/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_5?qid=1419108990sr=1-5 Amen to that. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As shown in the video, pressure recovery at the inlet was critical to generating thrust. If the analog computer burped and misplaced the inlet spike, the resulting drop in thrust was dramatic. This event was called an inlet unstart. The resulting violent yaw motion was the faster than human reflexes. In the early days, the SR yaw autopilot had limited authority and an unstart produced extremely violent motion at the cockpit (which was way forward at the end of a long moment arm). I believe at least one SR disintegrated inflight when the yaw from an unstart exceeded aircraft structural limits. Later in the program, better flight and engine controls mitigated the unstart problem. All covered in gory detail in Flying the SR-71 Blackbird: In the Cockpit on a Secret Operational Mission http://www.amazon.com/Flying-SR-71-Blackbird-Cockpit-Operational-ebook/dp/B004NNUY7O/ref=sr_1_5?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1419108990sr=1-5keywords=sr-71 by Richard H. Graham http://www.amazon.com/Richard-H.-Graham/e/B001IO9Q8E/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_5?qid=1419108990sr=1-5 , including the politics that ended the program. I highly recommend reading this if you have any interest in the SR-71 and the people involved in it. The SR stands as a tribute to the men (and women) who built and flew it. Those folks knew that anything worthwhile involved risk. Amen to that. Scott -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
As I remember one of those unstart conditions resulted in the pilot riding the SR to the ground -- copilot was killed when trying to eject because the spin was so hard the ejection seat jammed, crushing him. Managed to punch out before impact in Iran, back in the days when it was safe to land there, I think the fight was a standard USSR transit. Magnificent bird, I saw the prototype interceptor version at Wright Patterson last time I was visiting the museum. Been a few years. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
